Hip Hop Sales Collapsing: "They can no longer fool the white kids."

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When the political activist Al Sharpton pivoted from his war against bigmouth radio man Don Imus to a war on bad-mouth gangsta rap, the instinct among older music fans was to roll their eyes and yawn. Ten years ago, another activist, C. Delores Tucker, launched a very similar campaign to clean up rap music. She focused on Time Warner (parent of TIME), whose subsidiary Interscope was home to hard-core rappers Snoop Dogg and Tupac Shakur. In 1995 Tucker succeeded in forcing Time Warner to dump Interscope.

Her victory was Pyrrhic. Interscope flourished, launching artists like 50 Cent and Eminem and distributing the posthumous recordings of Shakur. And the genre exploded across the planet, with rappers emerging everywhere from Capetown to the banlieues of Paris. In the U.S. alone, sales reached $1.8 billion.

The lesson was Capitalism 101: rap music's market strength gave its artists permission to say what they pleased. And the rappers themselves exhibited an entrepreneurial bent unlike that of musicians before them. They understood the need to market and the benefits of line extensions. Theirs was capitalism with a beat.

Today that same market is telling rappers to please shut up. While music-industry sales have plummeted, no genre has fallen harder than rap. According to the music trade publication Billboard, rap sales have dropped 44% since 2000 and declined from 13% of all music sales to 10%. Artists who were once the tent poles at rap labels are posting disappointing numbers. Jay-Z's return album, Kingdom Come, for instance, sold a gaudy 680,000 units in its first week, according to Billboard. But by the second week, its sales had declined some 80%. This year rap sales are down 33% so far.

Longtime rap fans are doing the math and coming to the same conclusions as the music's voluminous critics. In February, the filmmaker Byron Hurt released Beyond Beats and Rhymes, a documentary notable not just for its hard critique but for the fact that most of the people doing the criticizing were not dowdy church ladies but members of the hip-hop generation who deplore rap's recent fixation on the sensational.

Both rappers and music execs are clamoring for solutions. Russell Simmons recently made a tepid call for rappers to self-censor the words ****** and bitch from their albums. But most insiders believe that a debate about profanity and misogyny obscures a much deeper problem: an artistic vacuum at major labels. "The music community has to get more creative," says Steve Rifkin, CEO of SRC Records. "We have to start betting on the new and the up-and-coming for us to grow as an industry. Right now, I don't think anyone is taking chances. It's a big-business culture."

It's the ultimate irony. Since the 1980s, when Run-DMC attracted sponsorship from Adidas, the rap community has aspired to be big business. By the '90s, those aspirations had become a reality. In a 1999 cover story, TIME reported that with 81 million CDs sold, rap was officially America's top-selling music genre. The boom produced enterprises like Roc-A-Fella, which straddled fashion, music and film and in 2001 was worth $300 million. It produced moguls like No Limit's Master P and Bad Boy's Puff Daddy, each of whom in 2001 made an appearance on FORTUNE's list of the richest 40 under 40. Along the way, the music influenced everything from advertising to fashion to sports.

The growth spurt was fueled by sensationalism. Tupac Shakur shot at police, was convicted of sexual abuse and ultimately was murdered in Las Vegas. But Shakur both alive and dead has also sold more than 20 million records. Death Row Records, which released much of Shakur's material, was run by ex-con Suge Knight and dogged by rumors of money laundering. But between 1992 and 1998, the label churned out 11 multiplatinum albums. Gangsta rappers reveled in their outlaw mystique, crafting ultra-violent tales of drive-bys and stick-ups designed to shock and enthrall their primary audience--white suburban teenagers. "Hip-hop seemed dangerous; it seemed angry," says Richard Nickels, who manages the hip-hop band the Roots. "Kurt Cobain killed himself, and rock seemed weak. But then you had these black guys who came out and had guns. It was exciting to white kids."

Hip-hop now faces a generation that takes gangsta rap as just another mundane marker in the cultural scenery. "It's collapsing because they can no longer fool the white kids," says Nickels. "There's only so much redundancy anyone can take."

Artists who never jumped on the gangsta bandwagon point the finger at the boardroom. They accuse major labels of strip-mining the music, playing up its sensationalist aspects for easy sales. "In rock you have metal, alternative, emo, soft rock, pop-rock, you have all these different strains," says Q-Tip, front man for the defunct A Tribe Called Quest. "And there are different strains of hip-hop, but record companies aren't set up to sell these different strains. They aren't set up to do anything more of a mature sort of hip-hop."

Of course, gangsta rap isn't a record-company invention. Indeed, hip-hop's two most celebrated icons, Shakur and Notorious B.I.G., embraced the sort of lyrical content that today has opened hip-hop to criticism. And the music companies, under assault from file-sharing and other alternative distribution channels, are hardly in a position to do R&D. "When I first signed to Tommy Boy, [the A&R person] would take us to different shows and to art museums," says Q-Tip. "There was real mentorship. Today that's largely absent, and we see the results in the music and in the aesthetic." That result is a stale product, defined by cable channels like BET, now owned by Viacom, which seems to consist primarily of gun worship and underdressed women.

During the past decade, record labels have outsourced the business of kingmaking to other artists. Established stars Dr. Dre and Eminem brought 50 Cent to Interscope. Jay-Z founded his own label, cut a distribution deal and began developing his own roster. But most established artists do little development. That leaves the possibility that hip-hop is following the same path that soul and R&B traveled when they descended into disco, which died quickly.

No longer able to peddle sensation, rap's moguls are switching tactics. Simmons, while still something of a hip-hop ambassador, is hawking a new self-help book. Master P, whose estimated worth was once $661 million, watched his label, No Limit, sink into bankruptcy. He recently announced the formation of Take a Stand Records, a label catering to "clean" hip-hop music. "Personally, I have profited millions of dollars through explicit rap lyrics," Master P stated on his website. "I can honestly say that I was once part of the problem, and now it's time to be part of the solution."

Chris Lighty, CEO of Violator Entertainment, whose clients include 50 Cent and Busta Rhymes, is looking at ways that record companies can work with artists in one area where rappers have been innovative: endorsement and branding. Whether it's 50 Cent owning a stake in Vitamin Water or Jay-Z doing a commercial for HP, most of these deals have been brokered by the artists' own camp. But Lighty sees in hip-hop a chance for record labels to generate more sponsorship and endorsements. "Record companies are going to have to make even better records and participate in brand extension. It's the only way they can survive," says Lighty. "We need to change the format, and this is the only way. 50 Cent is a brand. Jay-Z is a brand."

But the current hubbub over indecency poses a direct challenge to that brand strength, as the artist Akon recently discovered. While performing in Trinidad, Akon was videotaped dancing suggestively with a fan who was later revealed to be only 14. The video attracted the ire of conservatives like Bill O'Reilly. In the wake of the controversy, Akon's tour sponsor, Verizon, removed all ringtones featuring his work and retracted its sponsorship. The message was clear: Hip-hop needs a new and improved product.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1653639,00.html
 
good article, but one line i strongly disagree with is this one


"Since the 1980s, when Run-DMC attracted sponsorship from Adidas, the rap community has aspired to be big business."



thats simply not true. matter of fact what made hip hop so dope was that it didnt want or need external validation from those who werent down with the culture. dudes used to say "no sellout!" and meant it. epmd did "crossover" and everyone pretty much identified with it. shyt, niccas used to look at you sideways if you had an r&b chick on your hook! shyt done changed. niccas bite lyrics now & dont even care. i mean true, they werent getting what they were worth & they were getting jerked on their deals but their music came from a genuine place. when hip hop started looking like a good way to make a quick buck it was the beginning of the end as i knew it. hip hop was better when it was broke
 
Oh well. There was a time when music wasnt really about money. Theres a small chance well see more actual musicians because of this collapse so..
Fuckem... and erybody who look like em.
 
Not bad.

Where rap has lost "the White kids" is it's no longer the "rebellious" genre. Public Enemy, as Black as you can get, had a huge White fanbase. NWA, a more political group at it's beginning, also had a tremendous White fanbase. When 50 Cent first blew, he was seen as dangerous, I mean the nigga got shot 9 times for real. But the edge is largely gone and so is the White audience.
White kids didn't like Elvis because he sang good and was a pretty boy. They like him because he scared their parents. When he got "safe" he became less popular and was supplanted by the Beatles with their long hair and drug references. It's no different for hip-hop/rap music. Profanity and violent imagery does not make you dangerous or rebellious, just violent and profane.

Hip-hop DID aspire to be bigger. Rappers wanted the same respect and visibility and money that the tights-wearing rockers were getting back then. Before you site EPMD please remember that Kid N Play had movies and cartoons WAAAY BACK.
 
The reason sales are declining is because everybody got a cd burner & some blank cds.

Shit, my neighbor's 6 year old got a albumbase account, lol.
 
Sadly, the article ignores the fact that bootlegging has hit the rap industry hardest of all. Look no further than the street vendors you see everyday on your local MLK.

A quote from 2005 excluding illegal downloading:



"One out of every three music discs sold in the world last year was pirated, with fake recordings outselling legal ones in 31 countries, an industry group said yesterday."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/pop/229790_musicpiracy.html

Now factor illegal downloading (PC's...White kids, more often than Black kids) into the mix and you have the recipe for ALL genres of music falling in profitablity, hence the RIAA going after people who participate in illegal downloading.

"The most common average of numbers seems to sit around a loss of 20 percent globally in sales since 1999."

http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/Internet/2004/music_downloading.asp
 
Record label / studio leaker - check

Internet uploaders - check

Internet army of downloaders - check
 
Finito said:
Oh well. There was a time when music wasnt really about money. Theres a small chance well see more actual musicians because of this collapse so..


When was that? Not since the first man realized someone would pay him to play that noise he made has it not been about money.
 
How many ways can you paint the same fucking picture?

Its like each nigga has a script or is given phrases and has to
make it into a song and required to stick to the same played
out subject matter.

Stagnant minded hollow souled muthafuckas :smh:
 
Well, there goes the south's argument that they are selling.

Hip Hop was better when it was broke. This article was on point.

Bottom line, people are getting tired of the bullshit.
 
It’s not just hip-hop but the entire music industry is crumbling and falling apart as we speak. This is very similar to how the NBA was on the decline in the early part of the millennium. Will there be a LeBron James-like figure to come out of nowhere and bring the entire industry as a whole back to prominence?

It could very well happen.
:yes:
 
How bout sales are fucked because music is absolute shit right now????

What the fuck i hate that dumb ass downloading argument itunes sold 3 billion songs in 4 years almost all singles why?? Because consumers are fucking tired of a bullshit album with one good song, who is to blame downloaders? consumers? No bullshit Record labels and bullshit artists!!! What the fuck... then they blame us what kinda shit is that. This is the reason music sucks people don't look in the mirror.

Second DOWNLOADING was at its peak during the naptster days of 1999-2001 shit people keep skipping over that fact all these p2p programs combined can't hold a candle to naspter in its prime, And truth be told most people don't have a fucking clue where to get music from we (BGOL etc) are a horrible example most people are tech savy here, the rest of the country thinks the ipod doesn't play mp3s and has trouble putting songs on their ipod for christ sake.

Third WAKE THE FUCK UP MUSIC INDUSTRY for the last 60 odd years you were the only kid on the block today you have to compete your dumbass bullshit corny music against XBOX PS3, DVD, ring tones, ipods, Sneakers, Cellphones, you have to be retarded if you don't realize that disposable income has at least 10 more options to choose from instead of just a cd for legal entertainment.

and finally Bootlegging has been going on for years before all this shit and it will be going on for years after this shit, computers just made it easier for me to not have to leave my house but trust me the cats bootlegging had no intention of ever purchasing music and cannot be counted against the final sales numbers.
 
there is a whole other piece of the puzzle here.

Digital medium is preferred among the target audience for rap music. Its the same issue abfrined of mine had at her last job which went out of business. Her company was trying to sell articles to newspapers aimed at younger folks with the hopes if gaining more youth readership in newspapers. It flopped, fact is newspaper is old, computers are newer, faster and more dynamic. That's how we want our info.

Music is in the same boat... Sorry, I just dont carry around albums or CD's anymore, and neither do my friends. We have mp3 players, iPhones, and what have you. The more distance you put between your music and my mp3 player the worse off it is for your sales. The industry needs a wakeup call. They placed value in the sales of over priced disks instead of the actual music. As the CD is dying , so are their profits. If they had been on top of their game, they would have created iTunes for themselves and made all that cash directly.

The ABC company got it right, they play like a whole season of their shows online FOR FREE while they sell ad rights to companies for thw presentation. They didnt bitch about downloading, they adapted and are making a killing I'm sure

Simple and plain... CDs are going the way of the casset with no other physical medium to control and maniupulate. Record companies will die, if they can't evolve.
 
freaky_1 said:
Well, there goes the south's argument that they are selling.

Hip Hop was better when it was broke. This article was on point.

Bottom line, people are getting tired of the bullshit.



We know, we know, freaky, you hate the South. We get it. The South's argument isn't that they are selling but that they are OUTselling every other region with the possible exception of the Midwest.

I don't know if hip-hop was better broke but rappers usually are: see BIG and 50.
 
MrMotivator said:
How bout sales are fucked because music is absolute shit right now????

What the fuck i hate that dumb ass downloading argument itunes sold 3 billion songs in 4 years almost all singles why?? Because consumers are fucking tired of a bullshit album with one good song, who is to blame downloaders? consumers? No bullshit Record labels and bullshit artists!!! What the fuck... then they blame us what kinda shit is that. This is the reason music sucks people don't look in the mirror.

Second DOWNLOADING was at its peak during the naptster days of 1999-2001 shit people keep skipping over that fact all these p2p programs combined can't hold a candle to naspter in its prime, And truth be told most people don't have a fucking clue where to get music from we (BGOL etc) are a horrible example most people are tech savy here, the rest of the country thinks the ipod doesn't play mp3s and has trouble putting songs on their ipod for christ sake.

Third WAKE THE FUCK UP MUSIC INDUSTRY for the last 60 odd years you were the only kid on the block today you have to compete your dumbass bullshit corny music against XBOX PS3, DVD, ring tones, ipods, Sneakers, Cellphones, you have to be retarded if you don't realize that disposable income has at least 10 more options to choose from instead of just a cd for legal entertainment.

and finally Bootlegging has been going on for years before all this shit and it will be going on for years after this shit, computers just made it easier for me to not have to leave my house but trust me the cats bootlegging had no intention of ever purchasing music and cannot be counted against the final sales numbers.

Exactly. Artists (and the industry on the whole) need to realize that people DON'T stand for bullshit anymore.

If they want us to buy their product ... put out content people are actually gonna want to have a store-bought copy of. People like Common and 'Ye are perfect examples of product people want right away (downloaded copy), but for whom many have said they're also interested in BUYING a copy for as well ... just to show support, for real.

And with the file traders and torrents ... there are some good ones out there and all ... but MANY people the globe over don't have 1/5th the knowledge us BGOL cats have in regards to knowing where to find/locate our fave SINGLES and FULL ALBUMS.

* It's really telling when MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of people the world over have GIGABYTES worth of full albums on their harddrives, as well as HUNDREDS (IF NOT THOUSANDS) of singles spread throughout the 1950s/1960s to present day! People aren't ever gonna go back to the days of paying $10/12 - 15/18 for cds with 1 - 3 (tops) actual good tracks per project. Ain't happenin', and smartly so.
 
KhilPhil said:
The ABC company got it right, they play like a whole season of their shows online FOR FREE while they sell ad rights to companies for thw presentation. They didnt bitch about downloading, they adapted and are making a killing I'm sure

Very good point ... adapting to a completely/forever changing market. I really hope the likes of ABC are doing well. Same for CTV ( http://www.ctv.ca ) and GLOBAL ( http://www.globaltv.com ) in Canada. Both have adopted ON DEMAND-type programming on their websites and have done a great job offering up the likes of shows like THE APPRENTICE, SURVIVOR, DEGRASSI, the now-defunct THE O.C., CSI, COLD CASE, DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES, CORNER GAS & others for those who may have missed it on tv, or who prefer to watch their stuff online. They had incentives too ... like for the shortened/anticipated final season of The O.C. they put that shit online for the young crowd a full WEEK before it aired on tv on FOX & CTV ... just to see what kind of response they'd get from that show's fanbase, etc.
 
MrMotivator said:
How bout sales are fucked because music is absolute shit right now????

What the fuck i hate that dumb ass downloading argument itunes sold 3 billion songs in 4 years almost all singles why?? Because consumers are fucking tired of a bullshit album with one good song, who is to blame downloaders? consumers? No bullshit Record labels and bullshit artists!!! What the fuck... then they blame us what kinda shit is that. This is the reason music sucks people don't look in the mirror.

Second DOWNLOADING was at its peak during the naptster days of 1999-2001 shit people keep skipping over that fact all these p2p programs combined can't hold a candle to naspter in its prime, And truth be told most people don't have a fucking clue where to get music from we (BGOL etc) are a horrible example most people are tech savy here, the rest of the country thinks the ipod doesn't play mp3s and has trouble putting songs on their ipod for christ sake.

Third WAKE THE FUCK UP MUSIC INDUSTRY for the last 60 odd years you were the only kid on the block today you have to compete your dumbass bullshit corny music against XBOX PS3, DVD, ring tones, ipods, Sneakers, Cellphones, you have to be retarded if you don't realize that disposable income has at least 10 more options to choose from instead of just a cd for legal entertainment.

and finally Bootlegging has been going on for years before all this shit and it will be going on for years after this shit, computers just made it easier for me to not have to leave my house but trust me the cats bootlegging had no intention of ever purchasing music and cannot be counted against the final sales numbers.

co-sign
 
MrMotivator said:
How bout sales are fucked because music is absolute shit right now????

What the fuck i hate that dumb ass downloading argument itunes sold 3 billion songs in 4 years almost all singles why?? Because consumers are fucking tired of a bullshit album with one good song, who is to blame downloaders? consumers? No bullshit Record labels and bullshit artists!!! What the fuck... then they blame us what kinda shit is that. This is the reason music sucks people don't look in the mirror.

Second DOWNLOADING was at its peak during the naptster days of 1999-2001 shit people keep skipping over that fact all these p2p programs combined can't hold a candle to naspter in its prime, And truth be told most people don't have a fucking clue where to get music from we (BGOL etc) are a horrible example most people are tech savy here, the rest of the country thinks the ipod doesn't play mp3s and has trouble putting songs on their ipod for christ sake.

Third WAKE THE FUCK UP MUSIC INDUSTRY for the last 60 odd years you were the only kid on the block today you have to compete your dumbass bullshit corny music against XBOX PS3, DVD, ring tones, ipods, Sneakers, Cellphones, you have to be retarded if you don't realize that disposable income has at least 10 more options to choose from instead of just a cd for legal entertainment.

and finally Bootlegging has been going on for years before all this shit and it will be going on for years after this shit, computers just made it easier for me to not have to leave my house but trust me the cats bootlegging had no intention of ever purchasing music and cannot be counted against the final sales numbers.
Bingo.

If the music is good, people will buy the album. Every album I've downloaded and liked I've gone out and bought. What the industry is finally realizing is that they have a bunch of ringtone artist that can't put out a solid album. I'd be interested in seeing how many of those ringtones are just instrumentals.
 
Live music could save HipHop if the shows weren't so shitty and mufuckas fightin, killin, beefin, etc. Sales need to drop about 70%. Record labels are like dinosaurs lookin up at the sky at falling meteorites sayin "Look at those fireballs coming." They gonna be slow to move until it's too late. Their whole system is based on exploiting the artist. Once more artists get a clue and go the independent route similar to what Prince has done, and a lot of these southern, so called "coon" rappers that everybody hatin on, then you'll see a change. The current system can't change it's modus operandi to exploit the artists, but once artists begin to exploit themselves...
 
I was happy when rappers were broke and having IROC and 190E Benz dreams (EPMD). I liked it when you not only had rappers who were gangsta, but a great deal devoted to uplifiting or making songs that made you want to dance/bob your head instead of "push a bitch out the way!" Stanky assed Pro-ghetto and prison culture fucked it up.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
Not bad.

Where rap has lost "the White kids" is it's no longer the "rebellious" genre. Public Enemy, as Black as you can get, had a huge White fanbase. NWA, a more political group at it's beginning, also had a tremendous White fanbase. When 50 Cent first blew, he was seen as dangerous, I mean the nigga got shot 9 times for real. But the edge is largely gone and so is the White audience.
White kids didn't like Elvis because he sang good and was a pretty boy. They like him because he scared their parents. When he got "safe" he became less popular and was supplanted by the Beatles with their long hair and drug references. It's no different for hip-hop/rap music. Profanity and violent imagery does not make you dangerous or rebellious, just violent and profane.

Hip-hop DID aspire to be bigger. Rappers wanted the same respect and visibility and money that the tights-wearing rockers were getting back then. Before you site EPMD please remember that Kid N Play had movies and cartoons WAAAY BACK.



kid n play had A cartoon & three movies. the first movie was dope, second was ok too, by the third i was gone. they parlayed the success from the first house party into the cartoon which was pretty dope (an eighties word). but they were the EXCEPTION, not the norm.


hip hop at its core is counterculture, straight rebellious. shyt, what other genre of music you know where you dont need any musical training? thats what the early detractors used to say to discredit its validity. so called award shows wouldnt recognize it (fukk the grammys to this day) and even in the birthplace, new york new york there was a time in this town during the eighties when the only time you could hear rap was friday or saturday night after 9, otherwise it was r&b and gospel. but in a way it was better because the people who were truly down, who had an appreciation for what they were a part of and witnessing they would find it whereever they had to look or how late they had to stay up


hip hop did aspire to be bigger, but again, on its own terms (at one time). nowadays the only rule is if it sells, sell it.
 
CPT Callamity said:
I was happy when rappers were broke and having IROC and 190E Benz dreams (EPMD). I liked it when you not only had rappers who were gangsta, but a great deal devoted to uplifiting or making songs that made you want to dance/bob your head instead of "push a bitch out the way!" Stanky assed Pro-ghetto and prison culture fucked it up.

i'm happy rappers are making money it kinda validates it to the masses and proves its not a fad however i'm sick and tired of hearing kneegrows like 50 talk about it shit you're a grown ass man i'm sure you have other topics you can talk about.

2 out of 5 of his songs were entitled "money"
 
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