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Have The Miami Heat Lost A Step?
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The problem with the Heat is D-Wade is hurt. He is playing with a bumb shoulder and a Bad knee. His knee is causing him to no have the explosion he normally has. What made D-Wade so good was he played above the rim and could explode to the basket.
The Heat will lose this series because D-Wade needs to score 40 a game like last year for them to win. is injuries have him looking slow out there
The Heat will lose this series because D-Wade needs to score 40 a game like last year for them to win. is injuries have him looking slow out there
"Pat thats what yo old ass gets, go dip yo head in water now fool", Where's my retirement check btw?
BrownTurd said:
what made d-wade so good is his uncanny ability to avoid charging and offensive fouls, while maintaining the ability to shoot 97 free throws in the playoffs and get up 2000 times after flopping,like the master Divac..
injuries are part of the game, thats why you build a team, not a one-hit wonder with men all on metamucil
"peeps say we are in bad shape, but damn the heat got that ass tapped"
matt357 said:
"Would You believe that fool wade wanted to be in my five?"
The latest two commercials are straight comedy...
"I'm sorry we're you busy?" & "That is impressive...how you squeeze into them tight ass shorts...sexxxy"
Of course he had way more rebounds and blocks...not to mention fg%. He's a fuckin center genious. Like you said Kobe had more steals assists and freethrow % so it evens out. I'll give you the first championship...We had more weapons. Shaq truely deserved that finals MVP...hell he deserved finals MVP every year. But if you look at what Kobe's contribution the other 2 rings yes it coulda been interchangeble if the offense wasn't goin thru Shaq.cranrab said:uh, you'd still be wrong. save yourself some backpeddling now and just delete that shit. you can just man up and admit your mistake now, or you can be a weasel and try to fudge the data again.
shaquille o'neal averaged IN THE PLAYOFFS during championship runs (not just the finals) more points, WAY more rebounds, better FG% and more blocked shots.
tobe averaged slightly higher assists, more steals, and of course, a higher FT%.
interchangeable my ass.
yeah, the game 7 roberto duran impersonation left a lasting impression of what a true warrior tobe is.
Kobe only averaged one point less than him. 7.3 RPG for a shooting gaurd is monsterous. And his apg was 6.1. Sidekick my ass. He was Shaq's equal in the form of a shooting guard...str8 dominant...which is why they beat the hell outta everyone and swept everyone but philly that year. Year after that pretty much the same thing...If you can't see where i'm coming from then i don't know what to tell you...personally I don't care who they reward the finals MVP they both deserved it. This coming from a Lakers fan not some hatin ass outsider. They brought rings to my favorite team so i could care less about individual accolades. Its just yet another finals mvp to the Lakers franchise. Im a Laker fan before im a fan of (Insert player from the Lakers here). How many finals mvps or mvps has Shaq won on any other team besides the Lakers.
O'Neal had three 40-plus scoring efforts in the Finals, starting with 43 in Game 1 and finishing with 41 in Game 6. He averaged 38 points and 16.7 rebounds and played with poise and control through the Pacers' occasional "Hack-a-Shaq" strategies that tested his shaky foul shooting.
"He's the most dominating player in our league," Pacers coach Larry Bird said. "He was phenomenal throughout the series."
The Lakers rolled to a 104-87 victory in Game 1 as Pacers star Reggie Miller shot 1-for-16 from the field. Indiana was stronger in Game 2, as Jalen Rose scored 30 points, Austin Croshere added 24 and Miller had 21. To make matters worse for L.A., All-Star guard Kobe Bryant sprained his ankle early in the game when he landed on Rose's foot.
But O'Neal was again the deciding factor, setting an NBA record with 39 free-throw attempts. He made 18 to finish with 40 points, along with 24 rebounds, as the Lakers won 111-104. Glen Rice and Ron Harper scored 21 points apiece to take up the slack left by Bryant.
Down 2-0 in the series, the Pacers returned home and took advantage of Bryant's absence with a 100-91 victory in Game 3. Miller scored 33 points, hitting 11 of 22 from the field and all nine of his free throws. Rose supported Miller with 21 points, and Bird got vital firepower off the bench from Travis Best (14 points) and Croshere (12).
Coming into Game 4, Bryant's status was uncertain. He had been limping around in the two days between games, and Lakers coach Phil Jackson didn't know how much he'd get from his youthful catalyst. What he got from Bryant left fans and the media alike in amazement, drawing inevitable comparisons between Bryant and Michael Jordan, another championship guard coached by Jackson.
After starting slowly -- he had only six points at the half as the Lakers trailed 54-51 -- Bryant turned on the jets after intermission. He produced 10 points in the third quarter and four more in the fourth in support of O'Neal's 14. The Pacers had a chance to win at the end of regulation, but Best's 15-foot jumper over a lunging O'Neal was an airball.
The Lakers were leading 115-112 when Shaq was whistled for his sixth foul with 2:33 left in overtime. At the bench, Shaq said, "Kobe looked over at me and said, 'Don't worry about it. I got it.' He was feelin' it."
Was he ever. After Pacers center Rik Smits scored inside to exploit O'Neal's absence, Kobe came down and nailed a 22-foot jumper to keep the lead at three. Jackson was spreading the court, abandoning the triangle offense and putting the ball in Bryant's hands. The message: Go get the best shot you can.
Indiana had a matchup advantage with Smits, who again scored easily with a hook. At the other end, it was Bryant right back, this time rising up from 23 feet to drill a jumper over Miller.
Two Miller free throws cut the deficit to one. When Kobe had a shot blocked by Smits, Brian Shaw was there to tap it in, pushing the L.A. lead back to three.
On successive possessions, Smits was fouled. Each time he hit one of two. Indiana was down 118-117 with 28.1 seconds left.
The Pacers knew where the Lakers were going and blanketed Bryant. Shaw hoisted up a running jumper to beat the 24-second clock, and it missed. Swooping in from beneath the basket was Bryant, elevating among the big men with perfect timing to put the ball back in, over his head. The clock showed 5.9 seconds.
With one last shot, the Pacers ran a play for their clutch marksman. Miller had the ball beyond the arc and let it fly against the full extension of 6-10 Robert Horry. The shot kissed off the the front of the rim and bounded high into the arms of Lakers forward Rick Fox.
The Lakers had prevailed 120-118. Bryant scored eight of his team's 16 points in overtime, falling one short of the Finals record shared by John Havlicek, Danny Ainge and Bill Laimbeer.
On a tender ankle, Bryant had played 47 minutes, hitting 14 of 27 shots for 28 points. O'Neal had 36 points and 21 rebounds. Miller, with 35 points, and Smits, with 24, led the more balanced Pacers.
"When Shaq fouled out, I said, 'This game just became a lot more interesting,'" Bryant said. "Pressure? No, I was too into the game to feel any pressure. To be honest, this is the kind of game I've always dreamed about."
"He's the most dominating player in our league," Pacers coach Larry Bird said. "He was phenomenal throughout the series."
The Lakers rolled to a 104-87 victory in Game 1 as Pacers star Reggie Miller shot 1-for-16 from the field. Indiana was stronger in Game 2, as Jalen Rose scored 30 points, Austin Croshere added 24 and Miller had 21. To make matters worse for L.A., All-Star guard Kobe Bryant sprained his ankle early in the game when he landed on Rose's foot.
But O'Neal was again the deciding factor, setting an NBA record with 39 free-throw attempts. He made 18 to finish with 40 points, along with 24 rebounds, as the Lakers won 111-104. Glen Rice and Ron Harper scored 21 points apiece to take up the slack left by Bryant.
Down 2-0 in the series, the Pacers returned home and took advantage of Bryant's absence with a 100-91 victory in Game 3. Miller scored 33 points, hitting 11 of 22 from the field and all nine of his free throws. Rose supported Miller with 21 points, and Bird got vital firepower off the bench from Travis Best (14 points) and Croshere (12).
Coming into Game 4, Bryant's status was uncertain. He had been limping around in the two days between games, and Lakers coach Phil Jackson didn't know how much he'd get from his youthful catalyst. What he got from Bryant left fans and the media alike in amazement, drawing inevitable comparisons between Bryant and Michael Jordan, another championship guard coached by Jackson.
After starting slowly -- he had only six points at the half as the Lakers trailed 54-51 -- Bryant turned on the jets after intermission. He produced 10 points in the third quarter and four more in the fourth in support of O'Neal's 14. The Pacers had a chance to win at the end of regulation, but Best's 15-foot jumper over a lunging O'Neal was an airball.
The Lakers were leading 115-112 when Shaq was whistled for his sixth foul with 2:33 left in overtime. At the bench, Shaq said, "Kobe looked over at me and said, 'Don't worry about it. I got it.' He was feelin' it."
Was he ever. After Pacers center Rik Smits scored inside to exploit O'Neal's absence, Kobe came down and nailed a 22-foot jumper to keep the lead at three. Jackson was spreading the court, abandoning the triangle offense and putting the ball in Bryant's hands. The message: Go get the best shot you can.
Indiana had a matchup advantage with Smits, who again scored easily with a hook. At the other end, it was Bryant right back, this time rising up from 23 feet to drill a jumper over Miller.
Two Miller free throws cut the deficit to one. When Kobe had a shot blocked by Smits, Brian Shaw was there to tap it in, pushing the L.A. lead back to three.
On successive possessions, Smits was fouled. Each time he hit one of two. Indiana was down 118-117 with 28.1 seconds left.
The Pacers knew where the Lakers were going and blanketed Bryant. Shaw hoisted up a running jumper to beat the 24-second clock, and it missed. Swooping in from beneath the basket was Bryant, elevating among the big men with perfect timing to put the ball back in, over his head. The clock showed 5.9 seconds.
With one last shot, the Pacers ran a play for their clutch marksman. Miller had the ball beyond the arc and let it fly against the full extension of 6-10 Robert Horry. The shot kissed off the the front of the rim and bounded high into the arms of Lakers forward Rick Fox.
The Lakers had prevailed 120-118. Bryant scored eight of his team's 16 points in overtime, falling one short of the Finals record shared by John Havlicek, Danny Ainge and Bill Laimbeer.
On a tender ankle, Bryant had played 47 minutes, hitting 14 of 27 shots for 28 points. O'Neal had 36 points and 21 rebounds. Miller, with 35 points, and Smits, with 24, led the more balanced Pacers.
"When Shaq fouled out, I said, 'This game just became a lot more interesting,'" Bryant said. "Pressure? No, I was too into the game to feel any pressure. To be honest, this is the kind of game I've always dreamed about."
You musta missed the part where i said shaq deserved all the mvps. I like your argument to everything else I said...good debate playa. Whole point was Kobe was just as important. Thanks for agreeing.cranrab said:
if the sky wasn't blue, if the earth wasn't round, if the sun don't shine...
matt357 said:
Doc: "whats wrong?"
Wade:" i thought i could jump into defenders and get offensive fouls to win the series..now i face the realization i may never by in Charles five, and that black coach drove off with my Licoln SUV"
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LordSinister said:O'Neal had three 40-plus scoring efforts in the Finals, starting with 43 in Game 1 and finishing with 41 in Game 6. He averaged 38 points and 16.7 rebounds and played with poise and control through the Pacers' occasional "Hack-a-Shaq" strategies that tested his shaky foul shooting.
"He's the most dominating player in our league," Pacers coach Larry Bird said. "He was phenomenal throughout the series."
The Lakers rolled to a 104-87 victory in Game 1 as Pacers star Reggie Miller shot 1-for-16 from the field. Indiana was stronger in Game 2, as Jalen Rose scored 30 points, Austin Croshere added 24 and Miller had 21. To make matters worse for L.A., All-Star guard Kobe Bryant sprained his ankle early in the game when he landed on Rose's foot.
But O'Neal was again the deciding factor, setting an NBA record with 39 free-throw attempts. He made 18 to finish with 40 points, along with 24 rebounds, as the Lakers won 111-104. Glen Rice and Ron Harper scored 21 points apiece to take up the slack left by Bryant.
Down 2-0 in the series, the Pacers returned home and took advantage of Bryant's absence with a 100-91 victory in Game 3. Miller scored 33 points, hitting 11 of 22 from the field and all nine of his free throws. Rose supported Miller with 21 points, and Bird got vital firepower off the bench from Travis Best (14 points) and Croshere (12).
Coming into Game 4, Bryant's status was uncertain. He had been limping around in the two days between games, and Lakers coach Phil Jackson didn't know how much he'd get from his youthful catalyst. What he got from Bryant left fans and the media alike in amazement, drawing inevitable comparisons between Bryant and Michael Jordan, another championship guard coached by Jackson.
After starting slowly -- he had only six points at the half as the Lakers trailed 54-51 -- Bryant turned on the jets after intermission. He produced 10 points in the third quarter and four more in the fourth in support of O'Neal's 14. The Pacers had a chance to win at the end of regulation, but Best's 15-foot jumper over a lunging O'Neal was an airball.
The Lakers were leading 115-112 when Shaq was whistled for his sixth foul with 2:33 left in overtime. At the bench, Shaq said, "Kobe looked over at me and said, 'Don't worry about it. I got it.' He was feelin' it."
Was he ever. After Pacers center Rik Smits scored inside to exploit O'Neal's absence, Kobe came down and nailed a 22-foot jumper to keep the lead at three. Jackson was spreading the court, abandoning the triangle offense and putting the ball in Bryant's hands. The message: Go get the best shot you can.
Indiana had a matchup advantage with Smits, who again scored easily with a hook. At the other end, it was Bryant right back, this time rising up from 23 feet to drill a jumper over Miller.
Two Miller free throws cut the deficit to one. When Kobe had a shot blocked by Smits, Brian Shaw was there to tap it in, pushing the L.A. lead back to three.
On successive possessions, Smits was fouled. Each time he hit one of two. Indiana was down 118-117 with 28.1 seconds left.
The Pacers knew where the Lakers were going and blanketed Bryant. Shaw hoisted up a running jumper to beat the 24-second clock, and it missed. Swooping in from beneath the basket was Bryant, elevating among the big men with perfect timing to put the ball back in, over his head. The clock showed 5.9 seconds.
With one last shot, the Pacers ran a play for their clutch marksman. Miller had the ball beyond the arc and let it fly against the full extension of 6-10 Robert Horry. The shot kissed off the the front of the rim and bounded high into the arms of Lakers forward Rick Fox.
The Lakers had prevailed 120-118. Bryant scored eight of his team's 16 points in overtime, falling one short of the Finals record shared by John Havlicek, Danny Ainge and Bill Laimbeer.
On a tender ankle, Bryant had played 47 minutes, hitting 14 of 27 shots for 28 points. O'Neal had 36 points and 21 rebounds. Miller, with 35 points, and Smits, with 24, led the more balanced Pacers.
"When Shaq fouled out, I said, 'This game just became a lot more interesting,'" Bryant said. "Pressure? No, I was too into the game to feel any pressure. To be honest, this is the kind of game I've always dreamed about."
The article doesnt do SHIT to change the fact that in that series
Shaq averaged
38 points 17 rebounds and 4 assists
Kobe averaged
12 points 5 rebounds and 4 assists.
However, you want to dice it up.. the stats show clearly who was the leader on that team and who was just a piece of the supporting cast
well people are just talking about how bad the heat are playing
...but lets also keep in mind the bulls are just playing excellent basketball.
give credit where its due!!!!
the whole staring line up is doing great......even if they lose 1 against the heat...i still think their about to face the pistons...that should be a real good series..can twait
...but lets also keep in mind the bulls are just playing excellent basketball.
give credit where its due!!!!
the whole staring line up is doing great......even if they lose 1 against the heat...i still think their about to face the pistons...that should be a real good series..can twait
Makkonnen said:
Dam ...Finally somebody seen the same shit I saw last year....a set up...
Shaq ...while not what he once was is still a force...and D.Wade...though IMO is a whiner is a very Good Player...and if he don't fuck himself up might be Great one day......The rest of em Str8 garbage...(I got Props for Zo and his Kidney battle ...that shit is courageous).........
But without help from above (not God)....,them mofo's would have never got a ring......They just could not orchestrate that shit again this year...("Best laid Plans of mice and men.....)...and all that
eewwll said:
Word ....It was not a fluke....It was a Plan....a well orchestrated at that.....Or you don't believe some shit like that can be orchestrated??.....
Cause if you don't...I got a Bridge I own on The lower Eastside of Manhattan I'll let you get real cheap!!
Exactly. I could dig it for Zo and some others who otherwise would be forever ringless. Wade is good but how is he any different from any of the other great slashers in the league? Isnt the league overrun with fuckin no defense playin slashers? But Wade is so special that he automtically gets referee respect and gets all those trips to the line to win games with? GTFOH Me and everyone I know's biggest problem with the NBA is the fuckin refs and Stern. These asshole made the game soft and totally crazy.Thothprod said:
I saw a guy thrown to the floor super hard today by a member of the Pistons but there was no ejection or flagrant foul or anything and Im like wtf? Ref stylings and what the league wants is now another component of the fuckin game when it should be invisible.
I had friends back in the Philly Vs Lakers finals who were mad at the refs just letting Shaq foul muthafuckas nonstop and I laughed, little did I know that those same tax fraud conjuring pieces of shit would basically ruin my enjoyment of professional basketball.
It doesnt help that a major broadcast presence in the sports world is basically a rubber stamp for any management/ownership aspect of sports league topics. ABC/Espn and other hacks just let this bullshit go. If it wasn't for Tim Duncan's ejection by that old asshole no one would have said shit or gave any credibility to what people have been saying for years.
I am trying to dig baseball more for myself and my little relatives. I cant get into soccer. Golf is some relaxing shit and I dig it and watching it surprisingly. And I dig martial arts/mma/boxing. Unfortunately unless KG goes to LA I wont be buying the NBA Season ticket ever again. Its a fuckin shame. Maybe I can find some ABA torrents of all their games or NBA seasons from the 80s.
"the refs aren't going to give it to us this year...i'm sorry we suck just face it"
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The Bulls put me on my ass
Thothprod said:
Naw homie.. if this was another team.you might be able to float it.. but you are talking about the soft ass heartless MAVS....the team that had a BETTER record this year than last and may not even make it out of the first round against the 8th seeded Warriors... the Mavs were/are ripe for some shit like that...happens when you have a team or heartless players "led" by heartless Fart Shitfinsky
Thothprod... man...the Piston's/Chicago series should be a good too man.. another thing... with the Knicks handing over their first round pick to the Bulls.. looks like the Pistons/Bulls rivalry is back and will be strong for a long time to come..
Makkonnen said:
If you have access to it watch the english premier league or la liga , not MLS or USL..worst move you'll make
watch a few games (EPL) and it'll grow on you, also sign the kids up and let them run wild and you'll get loadsof rest at night
hit me up via pm, if you want some exciting games i'll hook you with some great stuff
that will ease you into the game..i have one vid i know you'll love
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eewwll said:Man. That anyone could look at the Indiana Series and come to the conclusion that Shaq and Kobe equally contributed baffles..shit makes about a much sense as this pic.
Anyone who saw the Indiana series and thought that Kobe didn't win the overtime by himself and saved another game are crazy. No one is disputing what Snaq did, all we are saying is without Kobe, his job would have been much harder.
Fat bastard shot 39 ft and only made 18 in 1 game!!
what part of the game is that??Also, it's funny how cranrab is including stats from a game Kobe only played part of the first quarter in.
Kobe scored 14pts/ 5 asst/ 3 rb, 2pts / 4 asst 1rb (got hurt) 28pts/ 5 asst/ 4 rb 8pts/4asst/5rb, 26pts/4assists/10 rb.
If you average the full games he played, you get a 19 point average with 4,5 assists and 5.5 boards a game.
Not saying Snaq wasn't the main reason they won the championship, I'm just pointing out the real facts.
Fact 1: cranrab as usual doesn't give you the unbiased stats and facts. He is like Bill O'Riley when it comes to Laker facts.
Fact 2 The Lakers lost the game Kobe was out, and the one he shot like a bitch in. Without Kobe, the series doesn't end in 6 games. Without Kobe, the Pacers have a chance. Remember A.C. Green as the power forward? Glen Rice throwing up bricks? Ron Harpers 3-10,3-8, 2-6, 6-14 shoting nights?
C'mon y'all, I know you hate Kobe, but real Laker fans know the deal. Kobe needs a big man to keep the double teams off him, Snaq needs a scorer that keeps the D from collapsing in on him and to make ft down the stretch because he cannot.
End of story.
Preezy said:Honestly, that shit was kinda suspect. Why they have him w/ the sucker like that?
So true, Wade did look a lil sweet in that commercial...
MAYBE THAT'S WHY CAHRLES DON'T WANT HIM IN HIS 5???
LordSinister said:
also, it's funny how you pull my name into these threads when you want to disagree with something someone else posted. post the link where i did what you said.
LordSinister said:
again, post the link. or at least use the correct name of the fam that did it. it's easy to pull my name off the top of your head, but c'mon.
c'mon homie, you know all these sycophants follow your every word like law.
I'm see that eewwll has adopted your style of hating on kobe so I assumed it was you. Sorry, but I assumed it was you with the Kobe finals stats.
I'm see that eewwll has adopted your style of hating on kobe so I assumed it was you. Sorry, but I assumed it was you with the Kobe finals stats.
TrojansFan said:So true, Wade did look a lil sweet in that commercial...
MAYBE THAT'S WHY CAHRLES DON'T WANT HIM IN HIS 5???
"negro ain't that what i said?"
Why are people in this thread talking about Kobe?...
DA BULLS
Ben Jordan, Luol cot Deng, Captain Kirk Henrich are the truth. btw 4 of our 5 leading scorers are 25 years or younger, tyrus thomas is a beast in training, we are deep as hell... if we get a decent center there will be another NBA dynasty in Chicago and by decent i really mean borderline decent like Chris Kaman *plays Common Chi-City*
DA BULLS
Ben Jordan, Luol cot Deng, Captain Kirk Henrich are the truth. btw 4 of our 5 leading scorers are 25 years or younger, tyrus thomas is a beast in training, we are deep as hell... if we get a decent center there will be another NBA dynasty in Chicago and by decent i really mean borderline decent like Chris Kaman
*plays Common Chi-City*
How is that not a foul when they hacked Gordon?
Warmth looking shitty now.
Warmth looking shitty now.
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