Has Steph Curry supplanted LeBron as the 'Best Player in the World?' (CP Alert)

[Spectrum]

Dude Curry has dudes losing their mind saying dumbshit today!

I had a dude argue with me on the fact that Magic was better, and for me to prove him wrong but we couldn't talk about offense!?!? Nigga dumb as hell

This shit is wild. We're are asking if this type of season is a qualifier as the type of seasons Curry needs to have to be considered one of the greatest of all times and niggas talking all types of other shit.

Got the cat above saying he hasn't passed Kobe or Duncan. Kobe is retired and Duncan likely retired tonight.

The question was never has Curry had one of the greatest careers of all time? He's only 27, who would ask that question. That wasn't the question.

The questions were if he really the best player in the league (not just the mvp) and if he strong 3-4 more seasons together like this, what that make him one of the greatest off all time..

 

[Spectrum]

Dude Curry has dudes losing their mind saying dumbshit today!

I had a dude argue with me on the fact that Magic was better, and for me to prove him wrong but we couldn't talk about offense!?!? Nigga dumb as hell

Something else is gonna come up next year too... if these guys win again, we're gonna have to start talking about Kerr. If Phil Jackson can walk into a good team and then they become great and start winning titles and breaking records and get credit for it (at what point do we really start giving Kerr credit).

and coaches need talent around them and obviously these guys grew as players (and they were going to get better even if there wasn't a coaching change)..but he takes over and then average 70 wins a season.. fuck that, coaching deserves credit for something

 

[lazarus]

Point to me where I said Curry is up there with Mike in accomplishments


I'll wait

so he's not there yet. Like I already said. What else you talking about then?

And for Nero, the title has two questions. Has he surpassed Lebron? I think it's super close. You put Lebron with scrubs they are going to the Finals. He does more than just score. If Steph wins another against the Cavs, then yes.
And the second part is can he reach goat status. That deals with careers. And somehow we're the retards. The answer cannot be determined because we need at least a decade of work. He has a long ways to go.

 

[Confucius]

Ummm averages...

you understand...percentages take away the significance of years head start

 

[Spectrum]

And the second part is can he reach goat status. .

The second part is a qualifier. It's not asking for a career to career comparison. If I was asking about careers, I would have clearly fucking asked: How does Curry up the age 28 compare to other all time greats at age 28 or with the same amount of seasons.

To put that into perspective, he's the same age as Zeke when he was also competing for his second nba title. So his career also matches up some to great players at this point.

Back to the point:

It's asking is this the type of season that if extrapolated out, is worthy of a little guy entering the discussion. It's not that complex.

We're qualifying THIS season and what he's done so far leading up to it.

Yes, it's functionally retarded to read my original post and then say, "Curry hasn't passed Tim Duncan". How the fuck could it? Curry has only completed 6 full seasons. Duncan has played 19 seasons. It was never a career to career question.

Just answer the damn question.

If it yes, it's yes. If it's no, it's no...

but all this.. he ain't better than Kobe..etc.. shit is irrelevant and wasn't even the question. People are too up in their feelings over this shit.

 

[Confucius]

no

 

[Confucius]

name a player in the league right now(not name LBJ) that is as dominant as curry on offensive, that plays better defense??

Westbrook
Leonard
Demarcus

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

you understand...percentages take away the significance of years head start

What does that have to do with points per game, assists per game, rebounds per game, steals per game averages...

 

[Spectrum]

no

You niggas are fucking retarded. Why are you doing a career to career comparison for two players where one has played 6 full seasons and the other has played 13 full seasons.

The question wasn't ..who had the best career. It's who had the better season.

 

[Confucius]

What does that have to do with points per game, assists per game, rebounds per game, steals per game averages...

I was agreeing with you.
averages give a more accurate way to compare players taht have not played the same amount of years

 

[Confucius]

You niggas are fucking retarded. Why are you doing a career to career comparison for two players where one has played 6 full seasons and the other has played 13 full seasons.

The question wasn't ..who had the best career. It's who had the better season.

Fuck A SEASON...I am talking about consistency. I can name numerous players that had a great season or 2 and then fell off...RGIII for starts

I wanted you to focus at the bottom portion to see averages not totals

 

[lazarus]

The second part is a qualifier. It's not asking for a career to career comparison. If I was asking about careers, I would have clearly fucking asked: How does Curry up the age 28 compare to other all time greats at age 28 or with the same amount of seasons.

To put that into perspective, he's the same age as Zeke when he was also competing for his second nba title. So his career also matches up some to great players at this point.

Back to the point:

It's asking is this the type of season that if extrapolated out, is worthy of a little guy entering the discussion. It's not that complex.

We're qualifying THIS season and what he's done so far leading up to it.

Yes, it's functionally retarded to read my original post and then say, "Curry hasn't passed Tim Duncan". How the fuck could it? Curry has only completed 6 full seasons. Duncan has played 19 seasons. It was never a career to career question.

Just answer the damn question.

If it yes, it's yes. If it's no, it's no...

but all this.. he ain't better than Kobe..etc.. shit is irrelevant and wasn't even the question. People are too up in their feelings over this shit.

its functionally retarded to even to ask before a career is over, if not pointless. Wait until he has built a resume, period.

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

I was agreeing with you.
averages give a more accurate way to compare players taht have not played the same amount of years

My bad I read that way wrong lol

 

[Spectrum]

its functionally retarded to even to ask before a career is over, if not pointless. Wait until he has built a resume, period.

That wouldn't be same question. The lack of reading comprehension here is incredible.

 

[Spectrum]

Fuck A SEASON...I am talking about consistency.

Don't answer the question then if you don't like it. This season is also coming off a NBA title-winning, MVP-winning season so we're not talking about one outlier season. So we're not talking about RG3 with a breakout rookie season and then being a backup. That example is about as valid as the dude using Dennis Rodman's college stats in an argument about NBA offensive production.

 

[Confucius]

i posted an entire table with averages for their best season compared. look at the bottom of the table. It compares BEST season avg between the two
with NO GAME MINIMUM

 

[lazarus]

That wouldn't be same question. The lack of reading comprehension here is incredible.

Your question is stupid to begin with. You are comparing two different things and trying to get an answer. lol. Then you turn around and try to insult people based on your dumb question. Unbelievable.

 

[Spectrum]

Your question is stupid to begin with. You are comparing two different things and trying to get an answer. lol. Then you turn around and try to insult people based on your dumb question. Unbelievable.

The question is probably over your head because it requires you to think. What does a player with this kind of production over a full season dominating the league w/ 3 point shooting (400) 3s + record-breaking shooting efficiency as a volume shooter mean in the content of other great individual seasons.

When you start seeing charts like this, it's something to discuss and analyze. These are rare things in sports.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Opinion. He has his jump shot... You can't take it away so that's an opinion. LeBron may very well have BEEN the most dominant player in the past years, just not THIS one which is what we are talking about. Curry dominated in the court, in the media, was the best player in the best team in league history, broke individual records, showed the most season to season improvement of any MVP, all that. LeBron and nobody else could carry his joke this season, as he completed the most overall dominant regular season by any player in history. Funny how the voters votes don't count, only when it's somebody other than LeBron winning, but when they were voting for him, they were geniuses... FOH!!!

Curry >>>>> LeBron right now... That why LeBron is so salty...

most overall dominant regular season by any player in history??? hold on there buddy..that would go to mr chamberlain.. curry dosen't even have the top 10 most single points per average in a season... he hit a lot of 3's...that's the only record he has period... magic only player to win a rookie of the yr and win a finals mvp in the same yr..he's also the only player to ever win a state high school championship, ncaa championship, and nba finals + win a gold medal...he also only 1 of 3 players to have more than 1000 assist in a season.. i didn't even look up these stats i kno them by hard... there's a lot of people that have done more than curry..he made a lot of 3 pointers that's it... i'll give him his exciting yr but all that most overall dominant reg season kill that noise..hakeem mvp, defensive player of the year, nba finals mvp all in 1 yr..we can go all day with this..once again i didn't even need to look up these stats

 

[Spectrum]

i posted an entire table with averages for their best season compared. look at the bottom of the table. It compares BEST season avg between the two
with NO GAME MINIMUM

Why the fuck are you posting all of this if the question is about THIS SEASON. It's clearly stated in the original post.

The comparison to Lebron James was about their play this season. It's not about careers or who has had the best individual seasons over their careers. Post their quantitative figures and qualitative arguments for this season.

The question is whether what Curry has done this season made him the best individual player in the NBA this season?

There are a lot of ways to argue for Lebron still being the best player in the league this season..but not the way you're doing it.

btw. I'm on record saying Lebron is still the best player in the league.

 

[Amajorfucup]

It’s important to note that LeBron isn’t incorrect. Statistically speaking, Curry has been the best player in the NBA this season, but evaluating value does require a different conversation. Take Curry off the Warriors and they still have a solid chance of winning the NBA title. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they’d be working to sneak into the playoffs. Steph may have been the better player, but in that landscape, can you really say he’s more valuable to his team than LeBron?

Sounds exactly like what someone around here has been saying all season.

 

[Confucius]

Why the fuck are you posting all of this if the question is about THIS SEASON. It's clearly stated in the original post.

The comparison to Lebron James was about their play this season. It's not about careers or who has had the best individual seasons over their careers. Post their quantitative figures and qualitative arguments for this season.

that is dumb...Steph is younger with different priorities THIS season
the table shows that 2016 is curry best season. compared to LBJ best season LBJ was better all around

 

[Spectrum]

Steph is younger with different priorities THIS season

Man. None of that qualifying shit is important (Who had different priorities or whatever is irrelevant) Who was the better player this season? You can just say Lebron if you believe it. But go have a seat somewhere if you're going to post stats from previous seasons or the mean of several seasons.

As someone else said earlier, they think Lebron was the better player this year because although his scoring is down, he's a better rebounder, had more assists, and much better and more versatile defender than Steph. That's the basis of a qualitative and quantitative argument for this season. That's valid for this season.

Stats from 2012 arent.

Was LaMarcus Aldridge a better player than Tim Duncan this year? Yes. Was Tim Duncan a better player than Aldridge during his peak? Yes. Did Tim Duncan have a wildly better career than that what Aldridge has so far? Yes

Shit's not hard. It's like you cats are unable to evaluate one season on its merit alone without injecting irrelevant shit.

 

[Spectrum]

I had Lebron as the best player in the NBA coming into this season and I'm not quite sure I'm reading to hand that to Curry, but he has a real argument depending on how you shape it. There is no definitive checklist.

And MVP is speculative as well, but I still think Lebron is the most valuable player in the NBA. Curry deserved his award based on the criteria they always use to give it. And the evidence is there that Curry has moved to the top of the list

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_yearly.html

 

[lazarus]

The question is probably over your head because it requires you to think. What does a player with this kind of production over a full season dominating the league w/ 3 point shooting (400) 3s + record-breaking shooting efficiency as a volume shooter mean in the content of other great individual seasons.

When you start seeing charts like this, it's something to discuss and analyze. These are rare things in sports.

It's not over my head. It's a stupid question. It's not complicated. Now you're pathetic. You are trying to make yourself seem smart but it was just an idiotic question. It happens. This is like freeze framing a horse race within the first five seconds and analyzing positions. Too many variables can happen before he closes out his career and you never know who else might step up. It looked for a moment that Lebron would win lots of rings too. He's had a great season and leave it at that. When you want to throw out the word GOAT, then I need a career to look at.

 

[Spectrum]

Too many variables can happen before he closes out his career and you never know who else might step up.

Got damn you niggas are fucking stupid! You're still talking about fucking careers when we're qualifying the value of one season.

Have you ever had to analyze data over a set time period and determine it's value? There are entire industries based on that type of analysis. The NBA is actually one of the most analytics-based sports in the world. They rank individual seasons in a plethora of different ways.

If you don't care about individual seaons, just get the fuck out of the thread. To say it's meaningless is retarded.

Obviously, anything can happen. You can walk outside tomorrow morning and get hit with a fucking smart stick right upside your head. Anything is possible.

 

[The Plutonian]

If not he checking off them boxes real quick like. If Bron wins it for Cleveland his legacy will be undisputed. Steph and Klay brought Golden State back (with Mark Jackson) from the dead.

 

[Spectrum]

If Bron wins it for Cleveland his legacy will be undisputed. Steph and Klay brought Golden .

Lebron and the Cavs winning the title this year fucks up the perfect season for Curry.

I honestly think the Cavs are going to shock people. They have zero pressure and they're peaking at the right time. It's a perfect underdog situation for them.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Lebron and the Cavs winning the title this year fucks up the perfect season for Curry.

I honestly think the Cavs are going to shock people. They have zero pressure and they're peaking at the right time. It's a perfect underdog situation for them.

Disagree
There's no pressure on the warriors because nobody respects them
They won 73 games because nobody respected them
They're on an even bigger mission to prove they can beat the cavs at full strength to shut people up.

 

[lazarus]

Got damn you niggas are fucking stupid! You're still talking about fucking careers when we're qualifying the value of one season.

Have you ever had to analyze data over a set time period and determine it's value? There are entire industries based on that type of analysis. The NBA is actually one of the most analytics-based sports in the world. They rank individual seasons in a plethora of different ways.

If you don't care about individual seaons, just get the fuck out of the thread. To say it's meaningless is retarded.

Obviously, anything can happen. You can walk outside tomorrow morning and get hit with a fucking smart stick right upside your head. Anything is possible.

Damn you are stupid. You are looking at one season and talking about GOAT LOL. You're dumb as fuck. No one is using analytics to measure GOAT or best player ever lol. Damn dummy. He's having a great year. Honestly if he doesn't get a defensive award ever he has no chance of being GOAT. Nash got two mvps too. Is he GOAT? Dumb ass thread.

 

[Spectrum]

Disagree
There's no pressure on the warriors because nobody respects them
They won 73 games because nobody respected them
They're on an even bigger mission to prove they can beat the cavs at full strength to shut people up.

Naw man.. You win 73 games you gotta win the title. I'm not saying they're going to play tight. But there is pressure there to complete the season.

People were questioning (myself included) if this Cavs team was even going to figure it out at all because they had some bad stretches and even got a new coach mid-season.

I think most people have already written this off as the Warrior's title.

 

[gene cisco]

Naw man.. You win 73 games you gotta win the title. I'm not saying they're going to play tight. But there is pressure there to complete the season.

People were questioning (myself included) if this Cavs team was even going to figure it out at all because they had some bad stretches and even got a new coach mid-season.

I think most people have already written this off as the Warrior's title.

There's enough pressure all around. GS beat an injury-plagued team last year. GS won 73 this year. Curry probably wants that MVP this time.

On the other side, Lebron is going to feel A LOT of pressure if his squad is healthy. Also, Irving and Love will feel pressure to come through.

There is indeed enough pressure in a Cavs vs GS final.

Media is just waiting for failure so they can go in....

 

[The Plutonian]

Lebron and the Cavs winning the title this year fucks up the perfect season for Curry.

I honestly think the Cavs are going to shock people. They have zero pressure and they're peaking at the rig riht time. It's a perfect underdog situation for them.

YOu

Lebron and the Cavs winning the title this year fucks up the perfect season for Curry.

I honestly think the Cavs are going to shock people. They have zero pressure and they're peaking at the right time. It's a perfect underdog situation for them.

I like Bron, hope he wins it because Cleveland been so fucking sorry for so long until Bron. I hope he does. Man don't count out The Thunder either. The Spurs crying in the car with Larmarcus A. They will be back next year minus Duncan and Manu

 

[Spectrum]

GOAT or best player ever lol. .

This is my last response I'm giving you. Reading comprehension causes people lots of problems. You niggas have such a hard time comprehending things that you don't even realize that there was never an argument about whether or not Curry would be the greatest player of all time. I clearly defined in the original post that "goat status" is a function of being an era-defining player and I listed a series of players that are often put in that category of player (and said there were many more that could be included over the decades of basketball).

Some of you cats struggle with some of the simplest shit. I used to list logical fallacies, but I don't waste the time anymore. But it's ridiculous that you guys continue to argue irrelevant shit and then come back with strawman arguments because you don't know to read + extract the basic premise when it's spelled out for you.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Naw man.. You win 73 games you gotta win the title. I'm not saying they're going to play tight. But there is pressure there to complete the season.

People were questioning (myself included) if this Cavs team was even going to figure it out at all because they had some bad stretches and even got a new coach mid-season.

I think most people have already written this off as the Warrior's title.

Disagree with some.

Last year was the complete it imo. Best record mvp if you didn't win pretender forever.
They won.
Now it's on dome bet you can't do it again shit instead of the respect that should have came with it.
I guarantee you if they got the proper coronation they would not have won 73 games.

But they are focused and dialed in and are capable of playing way better than last year. If klay keeps playing like regular season klay over a full series with curry and then the others chipping in? They got a shot.

They haven't even played good ball so far in the playoffs not 1 complete game together and they're just warming up