Getting a divorce. How do I pick a good lawyer?

Dannyblueyes

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The title says it all. My wife and I have been living in separate houses for 2 years now. She has a new boyfriend, another kid and so forth so a divorce is inevitable anyway. Recently I got offered a good job about 3,000 miles away. I'd like to settle my shit now before I go.

I've already talked to a couple of lawyers that I was less than impressed with. So now I want to figure out how to pick a good one. What's the best way to go about it?
 
It depends on how "complicated" you expect the divorce preceedings will be. If there is property and child custody which is in dispute, then you will probably want a real gunslinger working on your behalf. If you two have agreements in place, then its a matter of finding someone to file the paperwork.

Sounds like she's already moved on.. but I would try to discuss directly with her as to what her intentions are. If she's cooperative, then you shouldn't have to come out to deep.

If she's not cooperative, then find someone you know who's already been through it to get his opionion. Good lawyers are most likely going to be found more by word of mouth rather than just asking in general how to pick a good lawyer.
 
Which state are you in, where were you married, will it be amicable, do you own property, etc.?
 
Dude, just got one myself. Just get the cheapest lawyer you can find if its uncontested and there is nothing to dispute. Should cost you no more than $500 or you can go to your local law library and do the shit yourself. If ya'll wanna contest some shit like child custody or property or shit like that then get you a good lawyer for the least cheese possible. Good Luck Homie.

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The title says it all. My wife and I have been living in separate houses for 2 years now. She has a new boyfriend, another kid and so forth so a divorce is inevitable anyway. Recently I got offered a good job about 3,000 miles away. I'd like to settle my shit now before I go.

I've already talked to a couple of lawyers that I was less than impressed with. So now I want to figure out how to pick a good one. What's the best way to go about it?

My first question is why did you wait 2 years? I understand holding out for the sake of the marriage but at some point you have to let the shit go.

Almost 3 years ago me and my ex separated the first month things fell apart. On the second month I moved my shit back in when she refused to go to counseling and I found out she was fucking some loser. (You know those Strong Christian women can't resist "New" dick) In order to keep my dignity I filed ASAP.

Filing first is always the "best" way to go because you can pretty much decide the "where and when" of the fight. They'll make you go to mediation first though. Anyhow I ended up keeping the house and all of my possessions.

In your case you want a lawyer that has tried many family cases before. Preferably a man. He can key you in on all the bullshit tactics the other side will be using. Because you got a kid things might be harder though.....
 
Be reasonable, but DO NOT BE SOFT. That shit will haunt you like a mofo.

Good stuff right here! I was still madly in love with my ex after she left, but my lawyer quickly told me that this is "war" and you need to treat it as such. You can't let her roll your ass because of what "Ya'll used to have" together. If it wasn't for my lawyer I'd of given up my house (like she insisted I do) and would have been living in a crappy apartment until I could buy a new one....

Why do black folks do that though? Separate and not get a divorce for years? Do you know how much liability someone you're still married to can bring to your doorstep? Shit, she can sue you for child support behind that other kid in some states even if that kid isn't yours! The court sees any child conceived during the course of a marriage the fathers whether biological or not. When she moved in with old boy and you found out she was pregnant how come you didn't fly to the lawyers office?
 
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Better clear that divorce before teh kid is born OR YOU MAY BE LIABLE FOR CHILD SUPPORT EVEN THOUGH THE KID AIN'T YOURS!!! - TRUTH!
 
Fuck all the bullshit - FILE FIRST WITH ANY LAWYER YOU CAN FIND!
It's critical you get your papers in first. Then afterwards you can take the time to find yourself the best and most competent attorney.

If she files first, you're fucked in a major way. She will basically dictate the terms of the divorce proceedings and have the right to make first claims on a lot of shit.

FILE FILE FILE


No matter what, you'll be asked to seek mediation/arbitration first in which case you can mutually sit down and agree to terms and how to divide the martial assets.
 
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My first question is why did you wait 2 years? I understand holding out for the sake of the marriage but at some point you have to let the shit go.

(You know those Strong Christian women can't resist "New" dick) .....

think u mean muslim. knew a bunch of muslims in the 'nation' and a sunni who loved the dick on the regular.
 
The title says it all. My wife and I have been living in separate houses for 2 years now. She has a new boyfriend, another kid and so forth so a divorce is inevitable anyway. Recently I got offered a good job about 3,000 miles away. I'd like to settle my shit now before I go.

I've already talked to a couple of lawyers that I was less than impressed with. So now I want to figure out how to pick a good one. What's the best way to go about it?


What state do you live in because you may have some issues. If you need more help e-mail me.
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Fuck all the bullshit - FILE FIRST WITH ANY LAWYER YOU CAN FIND!
It's critical you get your papers in first. Then afterwards you can take the time to find yourself the best and most competent attorney.

If she files first, you're fucked in a major way. She will basically dictate the terms of the divorce proceedings and have the right to make first claims on a lot of shit.

FILE FILE FILE


No matter what, you'll be asked to seek mediation/arbitration first in which case you can mutually sit down and agree to terms and how to divide the martial assets.

No. No. No. No. No

That is very bad advice.

Don't go with just anyone. That will cost you more money in the long run. You are never forced in to mediation or arbitration unless the state you live in dictates it. You can go on to your local jurisdictions web site and go to the family court web site to find out the procedures. Again it depends on the state that you live in.

Remember that it does not matters not who files first in a divorce. You each have an opportunity to file a counter. You normally have 30 days from the time of filing to submit an answer and then an additional 15 days after that. However begin to get your ducks in a row before you start the process.

If you looking for a good lawyer in your state go to www.martindalehubble.com or look on www.findlaw.com
 
Better clear that divorce before teh kid is born OR YOU MAY BE LIABLE FOR CHILD SUPPORT EVEN THOUGH THE KID AIN'T YOURS!!! - TRUTH!

Fuck all the bullshit - FILE FIRST WITH ANY LAWYER YOU CAN FIND!
It's critical you get your papers in first. Then afterwards you can take the time to find yourself the best and most competent attorney.

If she files first, you're fucked in a major way. She will basically dictate the terms of the divorce proceedings and have the right to make first claims on a lot of shit.

FILE FILE FILE


No matter what, you'll be asked to seek mediation/arbitration first in which case you can mutually sit down and agree to terms and how to divide the martial assets.

AAML.org is a good place to look for good divorce lawyers.

Don't hesitate to find a lawyer (serving as a retainer). Read the above messages. You could end up with child support bills. Laws are messed up like that. Make sure you mention that she has her living situation settled with her boyfriend. That could cut you some slack on any possible alimony payments.

Another thing, after the divorce be supportive of her and encourage her to get married. Marriage = no more ailmony. I suggest the above site and lawyer.com 's message boards. Good luck
 
Good stuff right here! I was still madly in love with my ex after she left, but my lawyer quickly told me that this is "war" and you need to treat it as such. You can't let her roll your ass because of what "Ya'll used to have" together. If it wasn't for my lawyer I'd of given up my house (like she insisted I do) and would have been living in a crappy apartment until I could buy a new one....

Why do black folks do that though? Separate and not get a divorce for years? Do you know how much liability someone you're still married to can bring to your doorstep? Shit, she can sue you for child support behind that other kid in some states even if that kid isn't yours! The court sees any child conceived during the course of a marriage the fathers whether biological or not. When she moved in with old boy and you found out she was pregnant how come you didn't fly to the lawyers office?

I never filed for divorce until now because I really didn't see much point. I'm not looking to get married again. There was no property to work out aside from a few grand in the bank and a 1987 (I kept the money she kept the car) We had worked out our own agreement for child support, visitation, etc.

I did see a lawyer when I first heard she was pregnant. My concern was that I might owe money for a child I didn't father. My lawyer told me that since I didn't act as a father to the child and I could easily prove that it wasn't mine I had nothing to worry about. He also suggested that the resulting legal battle from the divorce might put us at each other's throats. I didn't think that would be good for myself or the children so I didn't pursue it.
 
I should also mention that I just went lawyer shopping today. One gentleman stood out. He basically told me "call your wife, ask her if she wants a divorce. If she disagrees buy her out. It's better that she gets the money than her lawyer." (although personally I doubt she'll contest it) I told him that I'm missing some of the returned child support checks. He said "cut your losses. With the money and time it's going to cost you to get those payments recognized you're better off just giving it to your kids. At the most try to negotiate an education savings plan out of it."

It seems that he wants to organize a quick and reasonable resolution as much as I do. I get a decent vibe from him.
 
I should also mention that I just went lawyer shopping today. One gentleman stood out. He basically told me "call your wife, ask her if she wants a divorce. If she disagrees buy her out. It's better that she gets the money than her lawyer." (although personally I doubt she'll contest it) I told him that I'm missing some of the returned child support checks. He said "cut your losses. With the money and time it's going to cost you to get those payments recognized you're better off just giving it to your kids. At the most try to negotiate an education savings plan out of it."

It seems that he wants to organize a quick and reasonable resolution as much as I do. I get a decent vibe from him.

Go with God my brother...But I still think you shouldn't have waited. Even if you didn't plan on remarrying how's that look when you meet another female? Most women will care that you fucking them but still married legal or otherwise. I wish you good luck man and keep ya head up!:)
 
My first question is why did you wait 2 years? I understand holding out for the sake of the marriage but at some point you have to let the shit go.

Almost 3 years ago me and my ex separated the first month things fell apart. On the second month I moved my shit back in when she refused to go to counseling and I found out she was fucking some loser. (You know those Strong Christian women can't resist "New" dick) In order to keep my dignity I filed ASAP.

Filing first is always the "best" way to go because you can pretty much decide the "where and when" of the fight. They'll make you go to mediation first though. Anyhow I ended up keeping the house and all of my possessions.

In your case you want a lawyer that has tried many family cases before. Preferably a man. He can key you in on all the bullshit tactics the other side will be using. Because you got a kid things might be harder though.....
Good Shit Bro.
 
I went thru divorce a long time ago... before I con=cerned myself with who I would use I went out and found out who the best layers in the comunity where... i then made appoiintments with each off them for a consultation, I made sure to discuss details of the divorce , some cost money some where free over all i spent about a grand. I did this specifically to eliminate the possibiltiy of my ex using them, once the discussed the case with me they could not represent my ex... I ultimately represented myself, It took time, about 3years buut I got custody of my kid and I was able to move with him out of the state where she lived.... it was easy froma stategy standpoint but difficult from an emotional standpoint, i had to constantly check my emotions and try to treat my case as though it was someone else. You dont have to go to the law library you cvan access all the family or civil laws online and usually local rules as well... but you should go down and sit down in court... and watch if you can... if you cannot ... as soon as you file you will get a judge, go to the clerks office and pull some cases he has sat on the bench, do the same whne you ex gets an attorney... you can learn a butload about them this way... especially if your ex's councel went thru a divorce, then when the try to rattle you ... you rattle back with some personal shit of thiers... most of all... never ever agree to anything in a mediation session... part of mediation agreements always include a clause that you must go back to mediation before you can go to court. Mediation is a joke for men... we always lose... most shrinks, lmfcc are in the bussinness to help victims and in the divorce arena a man is always victimizing his wife,,, those are the type of people you will be dealing with...any lawer that tells you it is going ot be a war and not to communicate with your ex is a peice of shit money grubing fuck... they do that so that the can bil for all communication.. letters phone calls ect... if you have a question for your ex he writes a letter( billable) he recieves the responce and reads it(billable) he calls you to discuss the letter(billable) he types your responce to her responce(billable) are you getting the picture... I say lay the ground work and expect the worst but try to avoid all of it and work it out with her.... a private nmediator, non court appoiinted , one that you are paying, so you can dictate the direction of sessions, is the best way to go.

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Sound like you and her already have some agreements in place. Talk her and tell her you both need to move forward. Any a divorce everything is negotiable until the lawyers get involved. Told my ex what I wanted and she told me what she wanted. I have a little more than most but got the house and no child support. After the divorce she got ill and could not work. I gave her 5k to get her thru a rough time but not having to pay child support and getting the entire house made it well worth it. The more you argue and fight the more its gonna cost. I took very good care of my son before the divorce and she knew that would not change. Where still cool as friends but where not good together in a marriage. Even if you have to give her 10% more than you think she deserves its still better than battling it out in court and watching the fees rise. Goodluck to you brother. Make sure you tell the lawyers what you and her won't to do not the other way around. If she is combative and wants to rape you get the best attorney you can afford and prepare for battle. Screw joint custody and go for joint conserveorship (sp). This means you both have equal partnership with any kids you may have not just one having more say so over the other.

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Go with God my brother...But I still think you shouldn't have waited. Even if you didn't plan on remarrying how's that look when you meet another female? Most women will care that you fucking them but still married legal or otherwise. I wish you good luck man and keep ya head up!:)

Thanks for the encouragement. I actually had that problem with my last girlfriend, but it's all coming to an end now. I've decided to retain the last lawyer I talked to. In fact I just got off the phone with my ex and asked her for a divorce. She's asked me to cover the filing fees but thats about it.
 
Dude if I'm understanding your post, you might have a serious problem!! If she had another kid with another man while you two were still married, in the eyes of the law thats your kid! When you find a lawyer ask her about the irrebuttable presumption concerning kids born unto marriages. You may have waived your rights to contest the paternity of her child by not getting a divorce sooner. You may get stuck with paying child support on a kid thats not yours. I'm only offering you this information for you to go get a lawyer ASAP. This is not legal advice. When you go see your lawyer, have HER explain this article to you. (BTW-YOU SHOULD ONLY HIRE A FEMALE ATTORNEY TO HANDLE YOUR CASE AS THERE IS A NATURAL BIAS TOWARDS MEN IN THESE PROCEEDINGS, ESPECIALLY WHEN KIDS ARE INVOLVED) If you end up paying for child support on the kid, you should try to sue the lawyer who spoke to earlier for malpractice and see if the court will allow him or her to indemnify you. Again this is not legal advice. I'm only offering you information for you to discuss with your FEMALE lawyer that you hire tomorrow morning!

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20060418.html

Paternity Fraud: When Men Are Forced To Support Their Ex-Wives' "Illegitimate" Children
By SHERRY F. COLB
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Tuesday, Apr. 18, 2006

The National Law Journal recently reported that "paternity fraud is rampant in the United States." Paternity fraud involves a woman's claiming, dishonestly, that a particular man has fathered children with her. By making such fraudulent claims, a woman is able to collect child support payments from a man who had nothing to do with siring her children. Indeed, even after a man has successfully disproved paternity, using DNA tests, courts have sometimes required the non-father to continue to pay child support.

Not surprisingly, such results have generated outrage among fathers' rights groups and have led to lawsuits as well as calls for legislative reform. Though the practice of paternity fraud is troubling, however, we should examine the context of such claims to determine to what extent, and against whom, an injustice is being perpetrated.



The Presumption of Paternity

Legally actionable paternity errors most commonly occur when a man and a woman are married to each other at the time of a child's conception and birth. Such errors have legal consequences because of something called the "presumption of paternity," which applies in most states.

The presumption holds that when a married woman gives birth to a child, her husband is the father of that child. For various legal purposes, it can be important to establish the paternity of a child. The presumption permits the question to be answered simply and without investigation.

In most cases, the presumption accurately reflects reality: When two people are married, the babies born to the wife generally are the husband's biological children. As is often the case with legal presumptions, then, this one corresponds to the likely truth.

Another example of such a reality-based presumption involves mailed letters: In the absence of evidence to the contrary, a litigant who proves she has mailed a letter with proper postage and the correct address listed has conclusively established that the addressee received the letter in due course. No direct proof of the letter's receipt is necessary. If the addressee introduces evidence that the letter never arrived, however, he can successfully rebut the presumption and disprove receipt of the letter.

In the case of the paternity presumption, by contrast, many states do not permit a man to disprove his presumed paternity, even if DNA evidence would positively establish that a child is not genetically his. Unlike the mailed letter presumption, the "presumption of paternity" therefore acts more as a legal command requiring married men to be fathers to their wives' children (except in exceptional circumstances) than as a device for arriving at the truth. Another way to put this is to describe the rule in question as an irrebuttable presumption.

Though fathers' rights activists have recently been concerned with disproving inaccurate allegations of paternity, a disgruntled critic of the presumption of paternity brought a very different sort of claim to the United States Supreme Court in the late 1980's.

In Michael H. v. Gerald D., the petitioner Michael H., had had an adulterous affair with Gerald D.'s wife, Carole D., which resulted in the birth of a child, Victoria D. Michael H. wanted visitation with his biological daughter and claimed that he had a fundamental constitutional right, as a father, to participate in Victoria's upbringing. But Carole D. did not want to include Michael H. in her daughter's life and responded to his claims by citing the California presumption of paternity. At that time, the presumption did not allow for rebuttal by someone outside the marriage.

Michael H. contended that the California rule, which denied biological fathers the right to act as fathers to their children, was unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court disagreed with Michael H., and in an opinion by Justice Scalia, held that no constitutional rights attach to a man who conceives a child in an affair with a married woman. Though the presumption of paternity may be counterfactual in an individual case, the State need not concern itself with the rights and interests of adulterous biological fathers. The California presumption was accordingly valid.

The Court might, of course, take a very different view when the faithful husband who supported his wife and putative child during marriage wishes, upon learning of his wife's deception, to stop supporting another man's offspring. Such a husband has done nothing wrong, after all, to give rise to the situation at hand. Indeed, it might appear to add insult to injury to force him literally to pay, in the form of child support, for his wife's having violated her marriage vows.

The "Fraudulent" Children

There is only one glitch in the story of the cuckolded man's outrage. It is the child. When a woman gives birth to a child and pretends that her husband is the biological father, a bond ordinarily forms between the man and the child, and the child comes to think of that man as his father. Most young children, in fact, have no idea what it means to say that someone is or is not their "biological father."

If a man lives in the house with mom and a child and is called "Daddy," he is - for all practical purposes - the child's father. After forming such a bond, the child grows attached and accordingly - perhaps - entitled to the father/child relationship on which he has come to rely. Were the mother to try to deny the man access to his "legal" child, in fact, many might view the acting father as entitled to override her wishes. From the child's perspective, it is fundamentally an act of betrayal for his "dad" to go into a court of law to prove that the relationship between them has been fraudulent. The state may accordingly have a compelling interest in protecting the rights of a child to his presumed father, an interest that justifies overriding the ex-husband's rights.

One response, of course, is that the actual biological fathers - the Michael H.'s of the world - could play the role of father when the cuckolds - the Gerald D.s, by analogy - wish to opt out. This response is ironic, perhaps, because a fathers' rights activist might well believe that men who adulterously sire unwanted children should have the right to a "financial abortion," as discussed in an earlier column, thus leaving the child effectively with no father at all. But even if that is so, the victim of a woman's infidelity arguably should not have to pay the price.

And hasn't the presumed father been injured as well? Hasn't he invested emotional energy and financial support where it did not belong? And shouldn't he therefore have his day in court? Unlike the adulterous biological father, the man whose wife bears another man's baby has not himself behaved dishonorably. He may therefore be well situated to claim a constitutional right to choose not to become a father to his wife's children.

Is the Presumption of Paternity An Anachronism?

Challengers to the irrebuttable presumption of paternity argue, further, that it reflects a bygone age, a time when women were (or at least, were believed to be) much more likely than they are now to be faithful to their husbands and when we could not definitively determine a child's paternity. Because we now live in an era in which men and women alike engage in adulterous affairs, and DNA can tell us with virtual certainty whether a man is or is not a child's father, it might appear senseless to cling to a legal presumption that serves to frustrate both the truth and the rights of ex-husbands.

Consider again, however, the perspective of the child. The best interests of that person might entail the refusal of a court to allow her "Daddy" to prove that he isn't "really" her father at all. Though the mother has injured her husband, first by cheating on him and then by lying to him about her baby's origins, the child - like the father - has innocently lived a life in reliance on that deception.

Unlike the father, moreover, the child never asked to become part of her mother's (or her father's) family or to have to place her trust in either one of them. Seen in this light, the irrebuttable presumption of paternity may protect the right of every child born to a marriage to have a mother and a father as long as both members of the couple live. On this view, the presumption is not a device for assessing a biological reality but, instead, a vehicle for creating a social one.

By getting married under such a legal regime, a man should perhaps assume the risk of playing the role of father to any children to whom his wife gives birth. When an act of fraud produces a human being, in other words, the law ought to consider the interests of that human being, even if no one meant for him to be born in the first place. The presumption of paternity - by protecting a legal fiction - makes it fruitless for a man to seek to "disprove" his paternal connection to a child. And this might be a good thing if it inclines fewer men to initiate proceedings that would deprive children of the only fathers they have ever known.
 
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get someone that is low down and cut throat. i was glad that i did that cause my ex-wife started playing real dirty during my divorce. hell i might be using him again (no i didn't learn from my first time:smh: )
 
Ask some of your co-workers or friends who might be in a similar situation and get some references. If you have any legal services as part of a benefit package on your job, that would also be a good place to start a search. By all means, don't use a lawyer who is advertising on TV all of the time; they are the worst ones to retain. If you're in the Chicago area, I have an excellent one I can refer you to.
 
First of all, how old are you, nigga, I'm 32, and my girlfriend is pushing for me to get married with her..........my question is why did you get married with her?
 
Dude if I'm understanding your post, you might have a serious problem!! If she had another kid with another man while you two were still married, in the eyes of the law thats your kid! When you find a lawyer ask her about the irrebuttable presumption concerning kids born unto marriages. You may have waived your rights to contest the paternity of her child by not getting a divorce sooner. You may get stuck with paying child support on a kid thats not yours. I'm only offering you this information for you to go get a lawyer ASAP. This is not legal advice. When you go see your lawyer, have HER explain this article to you. (BTW-YOU SHOULD ONLY HIRE A FEMALE ATTORNEY TO HANDLE YOUR CASE AS THERE IS A NATURAL BIAS TOWARDS MEN IN THESE PROCEEDINGS, ESPECIALLY WHEN KIDS ARE INVOLVED) If you end up paying for child support on the kid, you should try to sue the lawyer who spoke to earlier for malpractice and see if the court will allow him or her to indemnify you. Again this is not legal advice. I'm only offering you information for you to discuss with your FEMALE lawyer that you hire tomorrow morning!

I understand where your coming from. I checked things out with a lawyer a year ago when she was pregnant and found out that the chances of me owing child support for this 3rd born are nearly nil. Mainly because 1) She never said I was the father 2) Her boyfriend's name is on the birth certificate 3) I never lived with the child or acted as a father in any way, shape or form.

Also, the family laws where I live are a LOT more reasonable than the laws of California are (where aren't they?)
 
It depends on how "complicated" you expect the divorce preceedings will be. If there is property and child custody which is in dispute, then you will probably want a real gunslinger working on your behalf. If you two have agreements in place, then its a matter of finding someone to file the paperwork.

Sounds like she's already moved on.. but I would try to discuss directly with her as to what her intentions are. If she's cooperative, then you shouldn't have to come out to deep.

If she's not cooperative, then find someone you know who's already been through it to get his opionion. Good lawyers are most likely going to be found more by word of mouth rather than just asking in general how to pick a good lawyer.


Good advice. You can also go to the bar assn and get a recommendation. Make sure whoever you get specializes in family law.
 
She has a new boyfriend, another kid and so forth so a divorce is inevitable anyway.

Depending on which state you live in, the first thing your new lawyer is going to tell you is that, as far as the law is concerned, that kid is yours. You, my friend, have been cuckolded.
 
Depending on which state you live in, the first thing your new lawyer is going to tell you is that, as far as the law is concerned, that kid is yours. You, my friend, have been cuckolded.

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again, marriage must be something really fucking special to be going thru all this shit.

first, she'll get half your shit, and on top of that, you'll end-up paying 18 yrs worth of child support for a kid that YOU, HER, & the baby daddy KNOWS is not yours.

wow.:smh::smh::smh::smh:

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Ask some of your co-workers or friends who might be in a similar situation and get some references. If you have any legal services as part of a benefit package on your job, that would also be a good place to start a search. By all means, don't use a lawyer who is advertising on TV all of the time; they are the worst ones to retain. If you're in the Chicago area, I have an excellent one I can refer you to.

Good advice. If your company has an EAP program it includes legal assistance. Check it out:yes:
 
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