Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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When it's all said and done, I believe Jon is going to make a major play for Westeros. He's not going to want too, but he is. He's going to secure the North now. I believe he's going to let Sansa keep Winterfell, and he's going to be persuaded to move on to Westeros because of the Long Night that's coming. Those in Westeros think that the Night's King is a fairy tale. I wouldn't be surprised if Littlefinger tells him, "You need to be in Westeros because the Lannisters are f*cking up. I can help you save everyone."
I believe that Jon is Targaryan & Stark (I bet Varys already knows this). Jon is going to be the one who's going to be in Daenerys' way though. She's going to be bringing Dragons and Dothraki; and Jon is going to figure out how to get them White Walkers (maybe with Bran's help). If they do it right, they'll have the greatest television event of all time.
I believe that Jon is Targaryan & Stark (I bet Varys already knows this). Jon is going to be the one who's going to be in Daenerys' way though. She's going to be bringing Dragons and Dothraki; and Jon is going to figure out how to get them White Walkers (maybe with Bran's help). If they do it right, they'll have the greatest television event of all time.
Nah Jon was too quick with the blocks for him to get hit with the arrows. Shooting arrows at a child that's running away in a straight line is NOWHERE near the same as facing a highly skilled adversary quick enough to block arrow shots with a shield or sword.
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ya can't wait til jon branches out from the north...and hits westeros and inevitably runs into dany...I don't see him wanting to rule nor dany deferring to him...interesting to see who will sit on the iron throne when all is said and done tho...I think it will be jon ultimately tho w/ something happening to dany during battle against the white walkers...just pure speculation...I have no basis/real reasoning for this hunch
Wow great scene
Brown eyes blue eyes green eyes
Eyes you will shut forever.
So much for those who feel her training with the many faced gods was a waste, she gon be shutting some eyes and taking some faces.
Will be nice to see how they pair these two up again.
Speaking of seeing again they gon bring gendry back or he still floating in that lil ass boat?
I get that, but within the story, there is implication that he is alive for a reason. Just like the other dude in Brotherhood of Banners. Likely to face the White walkers in some fashion.
From what I've seen...people of the north are only concerned about the north and not that interested in the throne. The only one interested in the throne from the North is Littlefinger. I believe that will be his cost for saving the day. I don't see how the Northern lords would oppose that being that he saved their asses...what little of them remains.
I'm not sure LF knows anything about Dany and her crew.
Ned and Robert knew, so he definitely knows about Dany. Whether he knows the full extent, who knows. But that fucker seems to always know everything
Littlefinger was part of the counsel when Robert sent Jorah to kill Dany at the beginning. Littlefinger knows of her.
That 10 year is the lady of Bear Island and she got more heart than half the men out there. Only thing that would have made this episode better would have been a shot of her out there with a sword putting in work
Rickon graduated top of the class from the Prometheus School of running away from things.
Ah, a cinema sins fan I see
I don't know how it all turns out any more than anyone else, but I think your last thought there is a good bet. Remember the actual series is referred to as "A Song of Ice and Fire" The "Game of Thrones" is just pre-text to the real struggle which is prevent another "Long Night" where Winter descends over all Westeros and White Walkers try to end all "human" life.
If one assumes R+L=J is a true theory, then Jon Snow IS living a representative of both Ice and Fire. Then the question becomes not whether Jon will have a role, but who will he need to help him achieve victory
John will marry Denarys and unite the seven kingdoms. .. With his favor of the God of lights, he is the only one who will be able to give her a child... an heir to the throne is a must...
Arya will rule her own Kingdom West of Westros, Sansa gets Winterfield, little Cripple dude gets... to be "Merlin" and dream walk to earth... and Little Finger continues to fuck everyone...
Arya will rule her own Kingdom West of Westros, Sansa gets Winterfield, little Cripple dude gets... to be "Merlin" and dream walk to earth... and Little Finger continues to fuck everyone...
yea by 2021 smh
targaryens did practice that keeping the bloodline pure shit but I don't see them hooking up...assuming that jon is targaryen...if not then I can see them getting together
na man...you have him mixed up w/ gendry
oh...D gets down now...so she might give her some of that puzzy...
I don't remember this.
Some, probably not all.
That's why he has left the nights watch.
You can't just abandon that post.
He's night watch, not happening.
that happens though.
my father went to vietnam. was involved in some serious ass shit, shot up a lot of people didn't get a hangnail.
it just happens sometimes.
That's the scene where the girl was "training" Dany on how to tame Khal Drogo.
:lol; all his ass had to do was turn around, look where the arrow is going and move out the way. I thought Ramsey was going to let all his archers fire at once though.
Arya seems the roaming the earth from adventure to adventure type of chick
The Art of war.... should be required reading... for life in general.'Game of Thrones' just took us to school on history's biggest battles
IMAGE: HBO
BY CHRIS TAYLOR7
Warning! Spoilers for Game of Thrones Season 6 follow.
'The Battle of the Bastards' was many things. It was Game of Thrones' most expensive episode, costing around $10 million, and it took 25 days to shoot — another record for the show.
And judging by how much of it my wife spent with her eyes squeezed nearly shut and her fingers in her ears, HBO succeeded at making one of the most tense, violent episodes of TV ever.
It was also something of a history lesson. The episode schooled us in the strategies and the horrors of warfare throughout the ages, from the Roman Empire's worst defeat to the American Civil War and its gruesome piles of corpses.
SEE ALSO: Watch an extended, very cathartic version of last night's 'Game of Thrones' faceoff
We've seen the carnage of war before on Game of Thrones, but mostly in the aftermath of big (read: expensive) battles that occurred off-screen. The mostly naval battle of Blackwater, the sieges of Castle Black and Riverrun, the Dunkirk-like evacuation of Hardhome: none of these were traditional meetings in the field. The Battle of the Bastards was different, with peaceful parlay ahead of time and a clearly executed strategy.
In this episode, we saw first-hand the relentless confusion of battle and the strategic blunders and the breakdown in battlefield communication, thanks to the Saving Private Ryan-style steadicam view.
In case you were too overwhelmed to notice the historical references on the show, here is what you missed:
Battlefield hostages
"And whatever you do, be sure you run in a very straight line."
Ramsay Bolton, it turns out, is pretty mild by historical standards. He only had one hostage, Rickon Stark, with which to taunt or compel his enemies. Charlemagne took hundreds of hostages at a time, casually killing them when they no longer served his political needs.
He might have kick-started the brutal tradition of taking hostages, but Richard the Lionheart took it to another level. At the battle of Acre in 1191, during the third Crusade, he took a whopping 3,000 men, women and children hostage to make sure his Saracen enemy, Saladin, stuck to the terms of a peace treaty.
When Saladin was slow to cough up the necessary money, Richard had every last one of his prisoners slaughtered in a day. (It's this level of brutality that reminds us today to think twice before using the word "crusade" in a positive context.)
The Acre massacre so angered the Saracen army that it threw itself at Richard's well-defended position — and into annihilation. Jon Snow is not the only battlefield commander to lose his head over the enemy's cruelty.
But the fact that Ramsay managed to goad his enemy into action by taking just one life makes him much more efficient.
The arrows of time
"Initially, we based the Battle of the Bastards on the Battle of Agincourt," episode director Miguel Sapochnik said in an interview Sunday with EW.
Budget constraints forced Sapochnik, who also directed the acclaimed "Hardhome" episode, to change his plans. But you can still see a lot of Agincourt's DNA on screen in the hundreds of soldiers who were killed or wounded in repeated storms of arrows.
Agincourt, easily the most famous of battles in the Hundred Years' War between England and France, marks the first major use of the longbow. This deadly, long-distance weapon helped to make lightly-armored, mobile archers the new dominant force in medieval warfare.
A small English force of archers and men-at-arms under Henry V were able to defeat a vast French army by keeping the air thick with thousands of arrows, sometimes fired at point-blank range.
A sanitized re-imagining of the arrow-filled horror of Agincourt.
Oh, and after the battle, the victorious Henry V was worried about a counter-attack, so he had literally thousands of French prisoners put to the sword. All of them, in fact, except the handful of nobles he could ransom back to their families for a high price.
Once again, a medieval English King makes Ramsay Bolton look positively gentle in his respect for the enemy.
Encircling
Tormund may not have understood what the hell it meant, but the double-envelopment strategy — also known as a pincer movement — has been known and feared on the battlefields of Europe and China for millennia. Even Sun Tzu, writing in The Art of War back in the 5th century B.C., had advice on how best to pull this strategy off.
When Jon, and hence his army, were goaded into battle, they charged forward like idiots. Then Davos and his cavalry, feeling useless where they were, fell into the same trap.
The night before, Jon knew his best chance was to stay where he was, where trenches protected his flanks. Being out in the open, he knew, risked encirclement by Ramsay's superior ground force.
And that, of course, is exactly what happened.
Oopsie.
Probably the most famous pincer movement in history was executed by the Carthaginian general Hannibal at the battle of Cannae in 216 B.C. It was this battle, more than Agincourt, that Sapochnik probably looked to for inspiration — largely because having a circle of Bolton shields blocking the horizon, and no horses in the shot, made filming a lot faster and cheaper.
But it's a good thing he did, because it allowed us to see with horrific clarity what is normally a dry and dusty description in history books.
Like Agincourt, Cannae involved an inferior force (Hannibal's army of roughly 45,000) defeating overwhelming odds (the Romans had around 55,000) with superior tactics.
The two armies met in lines of roughly equal length. But in defiance of conventional wisdom, Hannibal kept stretching his lines out — making his center surprisingly weak. He led the center in an apparent retreat, while the two sides casually shuffled forward into a semi-circle.
It soon became a circle. Too late, the Romans realized they were being drawn into a trap, just like Snow's ragtag army. An estimated 600 legionnaires were cut down every minute from first light until nightfall.
Even the machine-gun-filled battle at the beaches of Normandy couldn't match that rate of slaughter. Nobody knows how many Romans survived, but it may have been as few as 3,000 out of 55,000 men.
Technically, the Boltons didn't even need a pincer movement. Snow's force was in such disarray, it fell victim to a single envelopment of disciplined men-at-arms jogging around them with spears and shields.
Usually, single envelopments require a natural barrier — mountains, say, or ocean — to pin the enemy down. In this case, the "natural" barrier was a pile of dead bodies.
Jon Snow really, really didn't deserve to win this battle.
Then again, Ramsay's overconfidence was a strategic weakness too. In The Art of War, Sun-Tzu advised generals not to completely encircle the enemy, basically because it'll make them go all "This is SPARTA!" and fight to the death.
Better to leave a small gap in the circle, making your enemy think there's a chance of retreat. Then you can either cut them down as they head for the exit, or pursue them as they flee for the hills.
Better luck next time, Ramsay! Oh, wait.
Waterloo! Couldn't escape if you wanted to
The arrival of the Knights of the Vale: A damn close-run thing.
If Jon is murderously bad at battlefield strategy, Sansa Stark is worse. Can anyone explain why she failed to tell Jon she had asked Littlefinger to bring his Knights of the Vale to the battle?
One explanation, of course, is that the writers wanted to amp up the drama. But last-minute cavalry arrivals do have some precedent in the history books.
No battle illustrates that fact better than the one that finally defeated Napoleon: Waterloo. On that fateful day in 1815, an army under the Prussian Prince Blucher arrived late in the afternoon to save the Duke of Wellington from Napoleon's attack.
Wellington attributed his victory to the nick-of-time arrival of Blucher's forces, and later called it "the nearest-run thing you ever saw."
Well, that is until Stannis Baratheon saved Castle Black from the Wildlings at the end ofGame of Thrones Season 4.
Not only is the show plagiarizing some of the greatest battles in history, it seems — it's also plagiarizing itself.
http://mashable.com/2016/06/20/game-thrones-battle-bastards-history/#i3s52WQl2Sq8
To run from an arrow or a bullet in a straight line is just ridiculous. Ramsey it's just like a cat playing with a mouse. I was thinking about who was worse between Ramsay and Joffrey. Joffrey is a little pussy bitch asshole, well Ramsey actually has the heart to back up his Psychopathic tendencies. Ramsey winsThat 10 year is the lady of Bear Island and she got more heart than half the men out there. Only thing that would have made this episode better would have been a shot of her out there with a sword putting in work
Rickon graduated top of the class from the Prometheus School of running away from things.
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I keep hearing this Zig Zag stratagey but seriously, an expert Archer like Ramsey will lead the target and end up hitting whether you Zigged or Zagged - peope are pattern oriented and the ig and Zag from a distance become very predictable and if he die miss , then next would have come the volley - Rickon was not going to live - Sansa called it.
Stop and crawl?
Anyone thinking Ramsey taking fatal arrow shots at Jon was merely in playful jest doesn't understand what he was attempting to do
Last 1 we knew of.
All of the children of the forest that
We saw died as well. I'm sure there's
A few more little green elves running
Rampant somewhere.
Bullshit. I do this shit on Grand Theft Auto online all the time. I get hit by a sniper shot and I started zigzagging until I can get to cover. I make it 9 out of 10 times
to be fair tho I fuck w/ snipers in the city...I can run zig zag while running in the line of trees car poles other ppl etc...in the open country tho or by the beach that zig zag don't mean shit tho...snipers will tear me a new one
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