Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

Like I stated earlier Little Finger held the outcome of the battle of the bastards in his hands.

Sansa warned Jon, Jon should have got more men, Actually took more time to come up with a solid plan.

I DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY: Jon and all the Starks are terrible leaders! Jon is a brawler with a sword not graceful like Jamie or efficient like the hound. Speed and luck really has carried Jon through if you want to be real.

Get more men from where??? Soldiers R us??? They went to get more men... That all they could scrape together... Sansa made a backdoor deal, she didn't give a shut if John died in the process, her choice is little finger. So again... Her info was useless because her interest was never to help John, if it was she would've cut him in on the master plan. His plan was doomed from the start. There wasn't going to be any outcome other than him dying unless he got help. How he died may have been different, but it was going to be the same result. So that's what I mean when I call the info useless. Because the night before the battle what was that bit of info really going to change???
 
You're putting a lot of faith in a little girl who may not have mastered her training yet.

I agree he more than likely was going to die regardless, but she gave up on saving him from the start.sansa's only concern was getting back at one of the people who hurt her and could careless about the people aroutdoor her. She doesn't even respect any of them.I say if Jon would have known about the support troops on the way, the battle probably wouldn't have takenot place at that time to start with or a rescue mission would have been the priority.


I don't think she knew for sure though.
 
A couple of thoughts for the finale next week
  • I'm glad that Little Finger came through in the end but now we have to worry about the cost of his help and Jon dealing with the fact that Sansa did it behind his back. Jon don't know shit about LF and now his indebted to him. I hope that doesn't put a strain on Jon and Sansa's relationship.
  • I said it once but it bears repeating .... Davos is about to go ape shit on the red woman!
  • Rickon dying was the kindest thing that could have happened to him. It was damn near a mercy killing. Jon is a PROVEN warrior and leader. Rickon might have had the name but we know who the real lord of Winterfell is now. Ramsay putting him down was just the kind thing to do. :lol:
  • Anytime Dany and Yara went to start making out is fine by me :sleazy:
  • They didn't show any clips of Bran in the preview for episode 10. I'm hoping that's because the last scene will be something epic involving him. Something so big that they couldn't even show a preview for it without potentially spoiling it.
They showed a brief clip of Bran in the next episode. Skip to 28 secs

 
He can shoot Recon a football field length away. The giant between the eyes.

If he wanted to hit Jon he would have been hit.

Exactly. He was taunting Jon. He knew that Jon and crew were coming for him and he fled from the battlefield. He got to Winterfell and he was like they could stay held up for months. The giant changed those plans. Jon's crew had arrows on him too but they did not shoot either.

IMHO he wanted to wound Jon to make it more of a fairer fight between them....in his mind.

Or maybe he heard that Jon came back from the dead, so he wanted to see what that was all about.

Either way he was a punk assed draymonding bitch....and he finally got what he deserved in the end.
 
It's not. Because they didn't even know that much about him. you keep taking about don't do what he expects you to do but leave out the HE LIKES TO PLAY GAMES AND SET TRAPS PART lol.

that is the most crucial part. that ties everything together. HE like to play fucking games and he likes to set fucking traps.
don't do what he expects is after jon is acting like a dunce.
if someone who has lived with him says he likes to play games and set traps then YOU as the leader go back to the drawing board and devise a different plan of action of sorts. you think about what might he expect and what could be a trap and then you go out there and not fall for it lol.

and all of that is independent of her not talking about the vale coming to help. she was wrong for not sharing that info.
however she was right in telling him what was going to happen before it did.
Wasn't it midnight? You wanted them to scrap the entire battle plan and get innovative by dawns rising?

Let's admit the writers this season have been drunk at the iPad.
 
You're putting a lot of faith in a little girl who may not have mastered her training yet.

I agree he more than likely was going to die regardless, but she gave up on saving him from the start.sansa's only concern was getting back at one of the people who hurt her and could careless about the people aroutdoor her. She doesn't even respect any of them.I say if Jon would have known about the support troops on the way, the battle probably wouldn't have takenot place at that time to start with or a rescue mission would have been the priority.

she did master it. that's why she left. it was literally the final test lol.

she gave up on saving him from a perspective that you aren't respecting.
she has seen what he does first hand. she knows what he is going to do. so its not giving up its keeping it real. even if you devise a rescue mission there's no way he makes it out of there alive before he's killed. period. the only way to do it is stealth. the only one capable of that level of stealth right now is arya.
 
I know I say fuck all the Starks alot, but It just came to me, Bran is the only likeable Stark.

He cant walk, yet he complains about nothing , and doesn't feel the world owes him anything, like the rest of them fuckers.

He doesn't listen either! "Bran, stop climbing around the castle!" "Bran, don't be green seeing without me!"

I wonder if Hannibal used elephants for his circle of death. That's some shyt I wanna see on the big screen.

Nah, all his elephants died while crossing the Alps. Hannibal wasn't black anyway!

right he's shooting arrows at a dude 10 feet in front of him but im supposed to think he was confident in his dagger skills against jon lol

at this point jon is a mythical type being. and that's just the truth about it.

people rolling with him now have seen him go beyond the wall and survive. seen him fight a main white walker and kill it. seen him fight in the other battle at the wall where he was killing that shit and saved his brothers. seen him get stabbed the death after being betrayed and seen him brought back to life.

who wants to fight a dude like that.

shit even this battle makes his legend grow. by the time it hits king's landing jon will have ran up to the front lines by himself to fight ramsay and his men were scared but rallied when he knocked out the entire front line of mounted men by himself
little finger and his army came to clean up the scraps and jon let them have it as he pushed on to get ramsay. along with a giant he broke down the gates and then when ramsay started shooting arrows at him he caught each one and then beat him to death. afterwards he carried him to the hounds that hadn't fed in 7 days and they all ate ramsay together jon, the hounds and ghost enjoying a meal.

Remember how Arya told Tywin that people in the North said Robb Stark could turn into a wolf when he wants?
 
It's not. Because they didn't even know that much about him. you keep taking about don't do what he expects you to do but leave out the HE LIKES TO PLAY GAMES AND SET TRAPS PART lol.

that is the most crucial part. that ties everything together. HE like to play fucking games and he likes to set fucking traps.
don't do what he expects is after jon is acting like a dunce.
if someone who has lived with him says he likes to play games and set traps then YOU as the leader go back to the drawing board and devise a different plan of action of sorts. you think about what might he expect and what could be a trap and then you go out there and not fall for it lol.

and all of that is independent of her not talking about the vale coming to help. she was wrong for not sharing that info.
however she was right in telling him what was going to happen before it did.

The plan was never started. Ramsey knew/hoped Jon would get emotional and his plan worked.going to save his brother was not the issue but him charging in after his death and forcing his men to abandon the plan.again jon may not have rushed the Army had he knew support was on the way.as it stood Jon knew their chances of winning were small to begin with, so he wanted Ramsey before he could hid behind the line.
 
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for the sansa haters I'm add fuel to the fire...now that I think on it...suppose sansa wanted rickon to die...she know jon is a bastard so he can't be considered the rightful heir of winterfell...rickon stood in her way...she was way to quick to dismiss him as being already dead...I don't even think she shuddered when she saw his body...it's almost like she just wanted to confirm his death thus making her the sole rightful heir of winterfell...if bran is smart he will keep away...she probably plotting on jon too just to be safe
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That's some Little Finger level chess playing right there.

Sansa did good last night and she has been hanging around LF but I don't think she would have the heart to think that plan up let alone actually pull it off. If anything, I think she just assumed that the second that Ramsay captured Rickon, he was going to die. So she just laid her best plan out there with the thought that Rickon was pretty much already dead.
 
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That's some Little Finger level chess playing right there.

Sansa did good last night and she has been hanging around LF but I don't think she would have the heart to think that plan up let alone actually pull it off. If anything, I think she just assumed that the second that Ramsay captured Rickon, he was going to die. So she just laid her best plan out there with the thought that Rickon was pretty much already dead.

ok I'm done making jokes in this thread :hmm: but the red witch will bring back ramsay tho...mark my words...she will need his help when davos and jon come after her for what she did to stannis' daughter
 
Get more men from where??? Soldiers R us??? They went to get more men... That all they could scrape together... Sansa made a backdoor deal, she didn't give a shut if John died in the process, her choice is little finger. So again... Her info was useless because her interest was never to help John, if it was she would've cut him in on the master plan. His plan was doomed from the start. There wasn't going to be any outcome other than him dying unless he got help. How he died may have been different, but it was going to be the same result. So that's what I mean when I call the info useless. Because the night before the battle what was that bit of info really going to change???
He probably would not have died had he stuck to the plan and actually listened to her when she told him dont react and that Reckon was a dead man (kid) walking... Had he listened they would have at least eliminated the knights on horses, reduced number deficit and given the Wildlings a hand to hand ground fight advantage..
 
she did master it. that's why she left. it was literally the final test lol.

she gave up on saving him from a perspective that you aren't respecting.
she has seen what he does first hand. she knows what he is going to do. so its not giving up its keeping it real. even if you devise a rescue mission there's no way he makes it out of there alive before he's killed. period. the only way to do it is stealth. the only one capable of that level of stealth right now is arya.

Leaning a skill and mastering it are completely different. As shown in earlier episodes, I wouldn't consider her a master of anything and her being alive was more so based on luck.based on the show there is nothing to let us believe she was skilled enough to get inside and save anyone.

Sanas behavior was more fear based than knowing Ramsey.remember she has basically been getting used and abused since the start of the series by different people.

Also with the support of the Vile, the other houses with Ramsey probably would have left Ramsey and saved Rickon in the process.
 
He probably would not have died had he stuck to the plan and actually listened to her when she told him dont react and that Reckon was a dead man (kid) walking... Had he listened they would have at least eliminated the knights on horses, reduced number deficit and given the Wildlings a hand to hand ground fight advantage..

As out numbered and out armored as they were. He would've prolonged it, I'll admit to that. But without a miracle he didn't know was coming it was very bleak. At best he may have been able to retreat with some men, and come back another day, with another plan. But there wasn't anything from a tactical standpoint that was going to win them that battle that day.
 
The plan was never started. Ramsey knew/hoped Jon would get emotional and his plan worked.going to save his brother was not the issue but him charging in after his death and forcing his men to abandon the plan.again jon may not have rushed the Army had he knew support was on the way.as it stood Jon knew their chances of winning were small to begin with, so he wanted Ramsey before he could hid behind the line.

So.
Jon didn't even stick to the plan that they had in motion and you talking about sansa not telling him the vale is coming as if that would make him not react with emotion? lol see how that don't compute? it would just have been the same scenario with more soldiers and they win cause they have the numbers.

how did he expect to get to ramsey solo by himself before he got back to the fortress? see what i mean? lol
 
Leaning a skill and mastering it are completely different. As shown in earlier episodes, I wouldn't consider her a master of anything and her being alive was more so based on luck.based on the show there is nothing to let us believe she was skilled enough to get inside and save anyone.

Sanas behavior was more fear based than knowing Ramsey.remember she has basically been getting used and abused since the start of the series by different people.

Also with the support of the Vile, the other houses with Ramsey probably would have left Ramsey and saved Rickon in the process.


keyword is earlier episodes.
she's mastered the skills required to leave or else she wouldn't have been able to go. we're talking about a girl who can literally operate in complete darkness. not a little torch light. complete darkness. she has the advantage. and you don't think she could sneak in at night?

it was fear based because she knows what he can do. she knows what he does. she knows what he likes to do for fun. the only reason she fears him is because she knows him.

and no they wouldn't have. you're not getting it man lol.
Rickon was not going to be away from ramsay at any point long enough.
rickon came out tied to a rope that ramsay was holding. it was a wrap for rickon as soon as he was brought there.

also are we forgetting his hit em up letter he sent there? it was right there sansa knew it was a wrap.
 
for the sansa haters I'm add fuel to the fire...now that I think on it...suppose sansa wanted rickon to die...she know jon is a bastard so he can't be considered the rightful heir of winterfell...rickon stood in her way...she was way to quick to dismiss him as being already dead...I don't even think she shuddered when she saw his body...it's almost like she just wanted to confirm his death thus making her the sole rightful heir of winterfell...if bran is smart he will keep away...she probably plotting on jon too just to be safe

I don't think this is as far fetched as it might initially sound. For one thing Sansa has been telling people all season that she's not interested in being on the sidelines when her own safety and well being is at stake. She's going to use whatever pieces are available to her to protect herself. Be it Littlefinger, Jon or Brienne.

Let's consider a scenario where Ramsey is defeated and Rickon is not killed. Rickon immediately becomes Lord of Winterfell and is probably advised to have Sansa married off to stregthen ties with another family. This not Dorne and Sansa's not Arya. As long as she's capable of bearing childen, she's going to have deal with being married off. Without Rickon she can play suitors off each other until she gets who she wants.
 
keyword is earlier episodes.
she's mastered the skills required to leave or else she wouldn't have been able to go. we're talking about a girl who can literally operate in complete darkness. not a little torch light. complete darkness. she has the advantage. and you don't think she could sneak in at night?

it was fear based because she knows what he can do. she knows what he does. she knows what he likes to do for fun. the only reason she fears him is because she knows him.

and no they wouldn't have. you're not getting it man lol.
Rickon was not going to be away from ramsay at any point long enough.
rickon came out tied to a rope that ramsay was holding. it was a wrap for rickon as soon as he was brought there.

also are we forgetting his hit em up letter he sent there? it was right there sansa knew it was a wrap.

Again there is nothing to say she mastered anything.I'm not even sure how much time has passed since her training started yet you expect me to believe she is basically a master ninja. On the show I don't even recall her having a successful mission and she was almost killed by someone with a similar skillset.

Also it may have been slightly different but Asha went on a similar mission for her brother.clearly Rickon was alive and well before the fight and Jon had no reason to believe otherwise.jon had a smuggler/thief with him so it's not like there wasn't someone with a little insight on sneaking into places wasn't on his side.to your point the primary mission was to take back their home and kill Ramsey, not necessarily to save Rickon.
 
People who want it both ways in life are the most difficult to work with. Nearly impossible. They constantly change their mind and always complain.

Sansa came to castle black, pressed Jon to go to war immediately to take back Winterfell. Jon wasn't with it. Then she says she is going to take it by herself with or without his help. They get a letter from Ramsey, that says he is going to kill their brother. She immediately says we got save Rickon. Jon agrees. She makes suggestions about using Blackfish's army, she doesn't tell Jon the truth about the info she received.

They go to try and gather the northern armies, they barely get any support. Sansa writes to Little Finger, doesn't tell Jon. She's going on hope.

They meet with Ramsey, all of sudden, she's convinced he's going to kill Rickon. No way to save him. Then she tells Jon why didn't he ask for her advice, he does, and she says I don't know anything about combat, but Ramsey likes to play games. That really helps Jon. Then she says we should wait for more troops after pushing him to take back Winterfell, still not telling him about Little Fingers troops as possible back up.

I don't get the logic. If Sansa felt this way before hand, why didn't she tell him this from the get? What was Jon supposed to do? She's pressing him to take over Winterfell and save their brother, now she says chill he's dead either way? Jon is doing the best with what he got. He knew from the get that they didn't have enough troops and he didn't want to bring the wildlings into his war. I don't see how you can blame Jon for trying to save his brother. That's the reason everyone fought for him in the first place.
 
ya y'all have made a good case about sansa and her learning from baelish...seems she manipulated this whole thing w/ the end goal being to secure revenge against ramsay w/ taking back winterfell and "saving" rickon taking a back seat...and no cares about who is affected as long as she achieves her goal...guess this is her entry into playing the game...baelish obviously still wants her...wonder how she'll respond
 
I'd say that was poor writing at that point. It made no sense. He always came off as tactical until the end but also didn't seem to care about getting his hands dirty when needed. Plus do you expect me to believe he could kill from a distance with an arrow but some how a shield would save Jon at close range while walking up on Ramsey.it should have ended with a real fight between the two.no way should one of the best villains have gone down that easily.


Could have went anyway left up to writers. Arrows are long range weapons. You either find cover, or close the gap. You don't shoot at anyone that close and miss because the reload time is too long at say 30ft. The arrows penetrated as they should have for that type of bow. Archers in legion used a barrage of arching fire as gravity does most of the damage and raining down on troops they are difficult to block even with shields. Ramsey is a great raid type of soldier fighting with a horde. Alone against an enemy with skill and experience he soft as baby shit.
 
'Game of Thrones' just took us to school on history's biggest battles
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BY CHRIS TAYLOR7

Warning! Spoilers for Game of Thrones Season 6 follow.

'The Battle of the Bastards' was many things. It was Game of Thrones' most expensive episode, costing around $10 million, and it took 25 days to shoot — another record for the show.

And judging by how much of it my wife spent with her eyes squeezed nearly shut and her fingers in her ears, HBO succeeded at making one of the most tense, violent episodes of TV ever.

It was also something of a history lesson. The episode schooled us in the strategies and the horrors of warfare throughout the ages, from the Roman Empire's worst defeat to the American Civil War and its gruesome piles of corpses.

SEE ALSO: Watch an extended, very cathartic version of last night's 'Game of Thrones' faceoff

We've seen the carnage of war before on Game of Thrones, but mostly in the aftermath of big (read: expensive) battles that occurred off-screen. The mostly naval battle of Blackwater, the sieges of Castle Black and Riverrun, the Dunkirk-like evacuation of Hardhome: none of these were traditional meetings in the field. The Battle of the Bastards was different, with peaceful parlay ahead of time and a clearly executed strategy.

In this episode, we saw first-hand the relentless confusion of battle and the strategic blunders and the breakdown in battlefield communication, thanks to the Saving Private Ryan-style steadicam view.

In case you were too overwhelmed to notice the historical references on the show, here is what you missed:

Battlefield hostages
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"And whatever you do, be sure you run in a very straight line."


Ramsay Bolton, it turns out, is pretty mild by historical standards. He only had one hostage, Rickon Stark, with which to taunt or compel his enemies. Charlemagne took hundreds of hostages at a time, casually killing them when they no longer served his political needs.

He might have kick-started the brutal tradition of taking hostages, but Richard the Lionheart took it to another level. At the battle of Acre in 1191, during the third Crusade, he took a whopping 3,000 men, women and children hostage to make sure his Saracen enemy, Saladin, stuck to the terms of a peace treaty.

When Saladin was slow to cough up the necessary money, Richard had every last one of his prisoners slaughtered in a day. (It's this level of brutality that reminds us today to think twice before using the word "crusade" in a positive context.)

The Acre massacre so angered the Saracen army that it threw itself at Richard's well-defended position — and into annihilation. Jon Snow is not the only battlefield commander to lose his head over the enemy's cruelty.

But the fact that Ramsay managed to goad his enemy into action by taking just one life makes him much more efficient.

The arrows of time
"Initially, we based the Battle of the Bastards on the Battle of Agincourt," episode director Miguel Sapochnik said in an interview Sunday with EW.

Budget constraints forced Sapochnik, who also directed the acclaimed "Hardhome" episode, to change his plans. But you can still see a lot of Agincourt's DNA on screen in the hundreds of soldiers who were killed or wounded in repeated storms of arrows.

Agincourt, easily the most famous of battles in the Hundred Years' War between England and France, marks the first major use of the longbow. This deadly, long-distance weapon helped to make lightly-armored, mobile archers the new dominant force in medieval warfare.

A small English force of archers and men-at-arms under Henry V were able to defeat a vast French army by keeping the air thick with thousands of arrows, sometimes fired at point-blank range.

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A sanitized re-imagining of the arrow-filled horror of Agincourt.


Oh, and after the battle, the victorious Henry V was worried about a counter-attack, so he had literally thousands of French prisoners put to the sword. All of them, in fact, except the handful of nobles he could ransom back to their families for a high price.

Once again, a medieval English King makes Ramsay Bolton look positively gentle in his respect for the enemy.

Encircling
Tormund may not have understood what the hell it meant, but the double-envelopment strategy — also known as a pincer movement — has been known and feared on the battlefields of Europe and China for millennia. Even Sun Tzu, writing in The Art of War back in the 5th century B.C., had advice on how best to pull this strategy off.

When Jon, and hence his army, were goaded into battle, they charged forward like idiots. Then Davos and his cavalry, feeling useless where they were, fell into the same trap.

The night before, Jon knew his best chance was to stay where he was, where trenches protected his flanks. Being out in the open, he knew, risked encirclement by Ramsay's superior ground force.

And that, of course, is exactly what happened.

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Oopsie.


Probably the most famous pincer movement in history was executed by the Carthaginian general Hannibal at the battle of Cannae in 216 B.C. It was this battle, more than Agincourt, that Sapochnik probably looked to for inspiration — largely because having a circle of Bolton shields blocking the horizon, and no horses in the shot, made filming a lot faster and cheaper.

But it's a good thing he did, because it allowed us to see with horrific clarity what is normally a dry and dusty description in history books.

Like Agincourt, Cannae involved an inferior force (Hannibal's army of roughly 45,000) defeating overwhelming odds (the Romans had around 55,000) with superior tactics.

The two armies met in lines of roughly equal length. But in defiance of conventional wisdom, Hannibal kept stretching his lines out — making his center surprisingly weak. He led the center in an apparent retreat, while the two sides casually shuffled forward into a semi-circle.

It soon became a circle. Too late, the Romans realized they were being drawn into a trap, just like Snow's ragtag army. An estimated 600 legionnaires were cut down every minute from first light until nightfall.

Even the machine-gun-filled battle at the beaches of Normandy couldn't match that rate of slaughter. Nobody knows how many Romans survived, but it may have been as few as 3,000 out of 55,000 men.

Technically, the Boltons didn't even need a pincer movement. Snow's force was in such disarray, it fell victim to a single envelopment of disciplined men-at-arms jogging around them with spears and shields.

Usually, single envelopments require a natural barrier — mountains, say, or ocean — to pin the enemy down. In this case, the "natural" barrier was a pile of dead bodies.

Jon Snow really, really didn't deserve to win this battle.

Then again, Ramsay's overconfidence was a strategic weakness too. In The Art of War, Sun-Tzu advised generals not to completely encircle the enemy, basically because it'll make them go all "This is SPARTA!" and fight to the death.

Better to leave a small gap in the circle, making your enemy think there's a chance of retreat. Then you can either cut them down as they head for the exit, or pursue them as they flee for the hills.

Better luck next time, Ramsay! Oh, wait.

Waterloo! Couldn't escape if you wanted to
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The arrival of the Knights of the Vale: A damn close-run thing.



If Jon is murderously bad at battlefield strategy, Sansa Stark is worse. Can anyone explain why she failed to tell Jon she had asked Littlefinger to bring his Knights of the Vale to the battle?

One explanation, of course, is that the writers wanted to amp up the drama. But last-minute cavalry arrivals do have some precedent in the history books.

No battle illustrates that fact better than the one that finally defeated Napoleon: Waterloo. On that fateful day in 1815, an army under the Prussian Prince Blucher arrived late in the afternoon to save the Duke of Wellington from Napoleon's attack.

Wellington attributed his victory to the nick-of-time arrival of Blucher's forces, and later called it "the nearest-run thing you ever saw."

Well, that is until Stannis Baratheon saved Castle Black from the Wildlings at the end ofGame of Thrones Season 4.

Not only is the show plagiarizing some of the greatest battles in history, it seems — it's also plagiarizing itself.

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'Game of Thrones' just took us to school on history's biggest battles
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Agincourt, easily the most famous of battles in the Hundred Years' War between England and France, marks the first major use of the longbow. This deadly, long-distance weapon helped to make lightly-armored, mobile archers the new dominant force in medieval warfare.

A small English force of archers and men-at-arms under Henry V were able to defeat a vast French army by keeping the air thick with thousands of arrows, sometimes fired at point-blank range.

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A sanitized re-imagining of the arrow-filled horror of Agincourt.


Oh, and after the battle, the victorious Henry V was worried about a counter-attack, so he had literally thousands of French prisoners put to the sword. All of them, in fact, except the handful of nobles he could ransom back to their families for a high price.

 
I'd say that was poor writing at that point. It made no sense. He always came off as tactical until the end but also didn't seem to care about getting his hands dirty when needed. Plus do you expect me to believe he could kill from a distance with an arrow but some how a shield would save Jon at close range while walking up on Ramsey.it should have ended with a real fight between the two.no way should one of the best villains have gone down that easily.
I don't know if this is exactly where they are going with this but it almost as if Jon is "protected"...especially after the scene with Mel about him bring brought back for a purpose. It's also interesting that he got hit with not one arrow on the battlefield and they landed all around him.
 
I didn't say he was going to fight her. I said he was going to go ape shit. The second he finds out the truth, there is no telling what he will do to the red woman.
I mean is Davos gonna have to choke a bitch. I feel like Davos is gonna have to choke a bitch. :lol:
Mel told Arya that they would meet again.

We'll see how the producers work this out.
 
Once again Sansa is the root of another family members death. Jon had a plan based off the resources he believed they had at the time.Sansa choose to withhold critical information. The truth is she didnt and doesn't trust her brother.when it comes down to it, she probably doesn't view Jon as her brother and is still the same spoiled girl from the start of the series except she was afraid of Ramsey and others like him.I suspect she may taken her mother's views of Jon.in the end she may not care about anyone except herself.
Yeah, Sansa been withholding information from Jon from the start. I don't like that shyt. She don't see him as family.
 
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