Just............amazing.
Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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Man I want to punch Bran dead in his fuckin' chest. I hate him more right now than I ever hated Joffrey. He just couldn't listen to the old man. All he had to do was go sit his ass down somewhere (literally--he's fucking paralyzed!). But noooo...he had to go and fuck it up for everybody!
You're looking at it the wrong way fam...
In our chronology, Hodor was always Hodor...meaning Bran was always going to get caught by the Night King...meaning the wights was always going to ambush them at the cave...meaning Hodor was always going to Hold The Door...meaning Bran never had a choice.
That's why the Three Eyed Raven told Bran he wasn't ready but didn't trip when he "died" because he knew Bran not being ready would lead to him eventually becoming whom the Three Eyed Raven always knew him to be.
Here's my prediction: future Bran teaches the Three Eyed Raven so that the Three Eyed Raven will be ready to teach young Bran after he falls from that tower.
time travel...perhaps the ability to alter the past/events in the present...shit is crazy
I like that...allows me to somewhat wrap my head around this...a future bran...going back and altering shit slightly in their favor wherever possible/he could...not being powerful to the point of completely reshaping the past but installing little safeguards here and there...who fucking knows...I love it tho
Nah, They GreyJoys are not gonna have a Civil War.
Euron is the King now. End of story.But Yara & Theon had to get the f*ck outta the country (with the swiftness) before they ever finished his 'drowning ceremony' which made his reign official .
They BOTH knew that if Euron had the audacity to kill their father... he would SURELY kill them also, as soon as possible. As for the NEW red priestess, since she knows so much about Varis' past, and judging from the choker around her neck... I'm sure she's probably hundreds of years old also. lol
I'm thinking Sansa may have tipped her hand too early to Littlefinger....but he still dropped a gem on her telling her to get the Blackfish and the Tully army behind her. The wildlings are loyal to John, not her.
I was wondering the same thing
Holy shit... this season.. OMG.. This season... fuck it. Can you call a season Perfect...
who's to say he doesnt? he might engineer Dany getting the dragon eggs for all we know. let it play out. lookin good so far.
Nah, They GreyJoys are not gonna have a Civil War.
But Yara & Theon had to get the f*ck outta the country (with the swiftness) before they ever finished his 'drowning ceremony' which made his reign official .
As for the NEW red priestess, since she knows so much about Varis' past, and judging from the choker around her neck... I'm sure she's probably hundreds of years old also. lol
I know dude is the official king and why they had to leave. I only brought up the 'civil war' aspect because they had enough support to be able to steal a fleet of their best ships.
I'm lost. did bran change hodor in the past to affect the future. I mean dude was already holding the door before giving him a seizure. He shouldve warg'd into hodor and made him believe he was a giant (a la WunWun).
I'm pissed dude died though.
I'm pissed dude died though.
After this episode.... i'm beginning to think a recent 'fan theory' is correct.
FAN THEORY:
- The Mad King wasn't actually mad, after all.
- It's probably Bran talking to him & altering events in the past... and he is just responding to him.
- But since nobody else could see/hear Bran... everyone thought the King was Mad.
BUT HERE's MY ADDITION TO THIS THEORY:
- In Season 1, Jaime told King Robert when he stabbed the Mad King in the back... all he kept saying was "burn them all".
- Now if that Fan theory above is TRUE... then my addition to this theory is that all the times that the Mad King was saying "burn them all" he actually probably telling everyone "How to kill the White Walkers" ... in the very same manner that Hodor has been repeating "Hold the Door" for so many years.
- It's Bran trying to warn everyone... through the Mad King.
- Or maybe he warged into him. Quite often. In an attempt to alter the timeline.
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damn the after show on HBO Now.. is filling in all kinds of gaps.
So George R Martin... Planned the Hold the Door bit from the beginning.... Fascinating. I thought the showrunners added that in.
So George R Martin... Planned the Hold the Door bit from the beginning.... Fascinating. I thought the showrunners added that in.
Crazy how the writers of the show felt what we felt when GRRM told them the Hold The Door storyline. That shit was fucked up. Absolutely brilliant, but fucked up.
Hodor
Peace,
Good shit bruh.
I'm still kind of numb after this ep. I read the books, so I was ready for the Red Wedding, but Hodor's sacrifice is a complete surprise and is kind of taking an emotional toll on me.
Good shit bruh.
I'm still kind of numb after this ep. I read the books, so I was ready for the Red Wedding, but Hodor's sacrifice is a complete surprise and is kind of taking an emotional toll on me.
The theme of the night was causality: but for one event happening, a subsequent event might not.
Like the Red Priestess said, but for Vary's getting mutilated as a child, would he be as powerful and smart as he is? But for Dany banishing Mormount, would he be there to save her ass twice? But for Melissandre being wrong about Stannis, would she be at the right place and time to resurrect Jon?
The way I look at it, Bran has already fucked with the past in so many ways that haven't revealed themselves yet. Tonight's episode was a game changer.
He warg'd into hodor while simultaneously being in the past with the three eyed raven. That's probably why young hodor was able to hear the voice telling him to 'hold the door'
na woulda been too much liberty imo...as someone mentioned earlier GRRM is def still heavily involved in the show...I need to start watching that after-show tho...wish the fat fuck would finish writing the book series tho lol
great episode...
That's my point. I feel that anything involving time travel cheapens the overall story especially if there is not some type of limitations on that power.it's one thing to be able to learn from the past but actively changing the past hurts any show.
After this episode.... i'm beginning to think a recent 'fan theory' is correct.
FAN THEORY:
- The Mad King wasn't actually mad, after all.
- It's probably Bran talking to him & altering events in the past... and he is just responding to him.
- But since nobody else could see/hear Bran... everyone thought the King was Mad.
BUT HERE's MY ADDITION TO THIS THEORY:
- In Season 1, Jaime told King Robert when he stabbed the Mad King in the back... all he kept saying was "burn them all".
- Now if that Fan theory above is TRUE... then my addition to this theory is that all the times that the Mad King was saying "burn them all" he actually probably telling everyone "How to kill the White Walkers"
Omg I never heard of this...holy shit that would be ill.
But at the same time it's always been known that every other generation, a crazy targaeryn becomes ruler. They say it's in part to successive inbreeding. The fan theory is interesting though.
Nah the 'hold the door' thing fit so well that had to come from grrm. Don't forget, that before they even made the show, he hat told the show runners how it would end and key plot points before they were in the books, so that the show wouldn't be hindered by him not keeping the books ahead.
it would have been cheap imo if he did some shit like bring ned to life or robb or his mom...don't know the full extent of his powers so too early for me to judge...I felt the shit was incredible tho as far as explaining hodor's "name"/purpose...I think the "limitation" is warg's generally can't control humans...well bran can if they're mentally weak...so he can't just go back into the past and control ppl or w/e but it seems ppl in the past can hear him or events around him...idk still a big mindfuck to me but it was enjoyable...didn't cheapen the show to me...from the first ep w/ the white walkers I felt anything could happen in this series and that's what hooked me in...so I'm open to it
Except that he didn't. Bran asked the three eyed raven last week, and was pretty much told that him that it's already set in stone.
Bran didn't return... he warged through past Hodor to present time Hodor... then past Hodor felt and saw what was happening in the present...
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Here's my guess... Bran got a Super-Hypnosis/Warg ability that can last for YEARS.
- Bran is physically in 'present day'.
- But his 'consciousness' was in the past.
- Bran has the ability to warg into Hodor.
- But in order for Bran to control 'present day' Hodor, while his mind is still in the past...
- He pretty much Hypnotized the Hodor in the past, so to speak.
- He planted a 'subliminal command' in Hodor's mind in the past (i.e. "Hold the Door") that would last for YEARS.
- The result of such a strong 'subliminal message' completely overwhelmed Hodor. Causing a seizure in the past.
- But the other side effect was that the subliminal message was so strong... all Hodor could repeat to himself was "Hold the Door".
- It was the first & foremost thought in his mind........ For all these Years.
- Bran's singular command... "Hold the Door"... has been inside Hodor's mind for years.
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The time travel just hit Predestination with Ethan Hawke levels of mind blowing fuckery.
I fucking love when books/movies can play with time travel logic in a way that makes you have to re-evaluate everything.
Not at all. Shes still being manipulated and running off of emotion.
Yet this episode seems to contradict that statement.I could have missed something in pervious episodes but it seems like Bran indirectly caused that event to happen.meaning the true past was/may have been altered.it could be that not everyone can hear Bran in the past or waves from the future when he is around, but again time traveling typically takes away from stories or create issues with the story.
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BUT HERE's MY ADDITION TO THIS THEORY:
- In Season 1, Jaime told King Robert when he stabbed the Mad King in the back... all he kept saying was "burn them all".
- Now if that Fan theory above is TRUE... then my addition to this theory is that all the times that the Mad King was saying "burn them all" he actually probably telling everyone "How to kill the White Walkers"
- It's Bran trying to warn everyone... through the Mad King.
- Or maybe he warged into him. Quite often. In an attempt to alter the timeline.
might have to start rewatching the series...friend has been telling me there's a decent amount of easter eggs if you go back and watch
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