Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

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If Joffery is in the Iron Throne with the Gold Cloaks...Tywin would die, and the House of Lannister would crumble. Notice Tywin never confronts Joffery when his guards are around (he's not stupid)

I find this to be a very interesting thought for this reason. Does anyone else notice how he talks to everyone else, all of his other children, very upfront and curt! Not giving a damn about their responses, feeling etc

Yet, when he speaks to Jeffery I can't help but get the impression, while he's stern with him he seems very mindful that he's still the king. Not in a respectful way, but more like I gotta be delicate with this crazy ass mutherfuker or else I might get myself in a bind? No?

One other thought I also find it odd that(unless i missed the scene) he has yet to pull Jeffery on the side to school him on anything? Considering he's trying to perpetuate the families Legacy I find this lack of non-grandparenting kinda odd. He seems to reach out to all his other children to drop nuggets,pearls etc. But he seems to stay far away from Jeffery, whom is in the most powerful position to directly influence his families legacy as i stated earlier...strange

 

[Count23]

I find this to be a very interesting thought for this reason. Does anyone else notice how he talks to everyone else, all of his other children, very upfront and curt! Not giving a damn about their responses, feeling etc

Yet, when he speaks to Jeffery I can't help but get the impression, while he's stern with him he seems very mindful that he's still the king. Not in a respectful way, but more like I gotta be delicate with this crazy ass mutherfuker or else I might get myself in a bind? No?

One other thought I also find it odd that(unless i missed the scene) he has yet to pull Jeffery on the side to school him on anything? Considering he's trying to perpetuate the families Legacy I find this lack of non-grandparenting kinda odd. He seems to reach out to all his other children to drop nuggets,pearls etc. But he seems to stay far away from Jeffery, whom is in the most powerful position to directly influence his families legacy as i stated earlier...strange

Tywin was hand of the mad king aerys since he was 20; he knows how to handle paranoid sociopathic kings. He knows that joffrey is an idiot but knows that disrespecting him outright will draw too much attention on him and his power plays behind the scenes. He insults him repeatedly, but with sarcasm and dry wit, which goes over joffrey's head. He also never rebukes tyrion for is direct insults to joffrey's face.

 

[CobraKai]

I find this to be a very interesting thought for this reason. Does anyone else notice how he talks to everyone else, all of his other children, very upfront and curt! Not giving a damn about their responses, feeling etc

Yet, when he speaks to Jeffery I can't help but get the impression, while he's stern with him he seems very mindful that he's still the king. Not in a respectful way, but more like I gotta be delicate with this crazy ass mutherfuker or else I might get myself in a bind? No?

One other thought I also find it odd that(unless i missed the scene) he has yet to pull Jeffery on the side to school him on anything? Considering he's trying to perpetuate the families Legacy I find this lack of non-grandparenting kinda odd. He seems to reach out to all his other children to drop nuggets,pearls etc. But he seems to stay far away from Jeffery, whom is in the most powerful position to directly influence his families legacy as i stated earlier...strange

Does he know that he's a product of incest or does he chalk it up to rumors? If so, did he ever confront Jamie or the mother directly about it?

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Does he know that he's a product of incest or does he chalk it up to rumors? If so, did he ever confront Jamie or the mother directly about it?

He chalk it up as rumors,but he did kill most of Robert's bastards...

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

He chalk it up as rumors,but he did kill most of Robert's bastards...

Cersi had that done!

 

[Flawless]

Tywin was hand of the mad king aerys since he was 20; he knows how to handle paranoid sociopathic kings. He knows that joffrey is an idiot but knows that disrespecting him outright will draw too much attention on him and his power plays behind the scenes. He insults him repeatedly, but with sarcasm and dry wit, which goes over joffrey's head. He also never rebukes tyrion for is direct insults to joffrey's face.

Power play behind the scenes? No one at court thinks Joffrey is power behind the crown they all know its Tywin. If it wasn't for the Lannister money someone would have probably slit Joffrey's throat already

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Cersi had that done!

Naw,Cersei didnt even know about it,until it was too late..


Her and Tyrion was talking and Tyrion thought she ordered it,but it turned out to be Joffrey who did it..

 

[Snatch Goblin]

Naw,Cersei didnt even know about it,until it was too late..


Her and Tyrion was talking and Tyrion thought she ordered it,but it turned out to be Joffrey who did it..

I think the scene you are thinking of, where tyrion and cercis speak, was about who ordered that guy to take an ax to tyrions face during the battle of blackwater. I'm not not sure if the show addressed who ordered the bastards murdered

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

I think the scene you are thinking of, where tyrion and cercis speak, was about who ordered that guy to take an ax to tyrions face during the battle of blackwater. I'm not not sure if the show addressed who ordered the bastards murdered

Nope Im not talking about that,Im talking about when Tyrion and Cersei was talking about who killed those bastards and Tyrion thought it was Cersei but Cersei said shouldnt didnt know about it,until it was too late,implying it was Joffrey who did it...


I know this,because they changed it up in the episode from the books


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_Lands


At King's Landing

Tyrion Lannister (Peter Dinklage) arrives at his quarters to find his mistress Shae (Sibel Kekilli) and Lord Varys (Conleth Hill) conversing. Varys and Tyrion subtly threaten each other: Varys that he could reveal Shae's presence against Tyrion's father's instruction, then Tyrion that he would kill Varys in return. During a Small Council meeting, Queen Regent Cersei (Lena Headey) reads Robb Stark's peace terms (ripping up the letter after reading it) and a letter from the Night's Watch Lord Commander Jeor Mormont, asking for more men to man the Wall and warning of the Watch's encounters with the undead. With the exception of Tyrion, the Small Council doesn't take Mormont's letter seriously. Later, Tyrion has dinner with City Watch Commander Lord Janos Slynt (Dominic Carter), discussing the purge of King Robert's bastard children. When Janos refuses to reveal who ordered the purge, Tyrion has Janos arrested and exiled to the Night's Watch, with Bronn (Jerome Flynn) taking over his position. Cersei later confronts Tyrion about exiling Janos, and Tyrion realizes that it was King Joffrey (Jack Gleeson) and not Cersei who ordered the purges, and reminds his sister that "it will be difficult to rule over millions who want the Queen dead."

 

[stretchwallz]

Tywin was hand of the mad king aerys since he was 20; he knows how to handle paranoid sociopathic kings. He knows that joffrey is an idiot but knows that disrespecting him outright will draw too much attention on him and his power plays behind the scenes. He insults him repeatedly, but with sarcasm and dry wit, which goes over joffrey's head. He also never rebukes tyrion for is direct insults to joffrey's face.

Does he know that he's a product of incest or does he chalk it up to rumors? If so, did he ever confront Jamie or the mother directly about it?

Power play behind the scenes? No one at court thinks Joffrey is power behind the crown they all know its Tywin. If it wasn't for the Lannister money someone would have probably slit Joffrey's throat already

Tywin never challenges or insults Joffery in public...he protects Tyrion when he does it for him, he's too wise to do it. He never challenged the Mad King either, when Ser Iilyn Payne (Executioner, Podrick's cousin) was overheard saying Tywin "really ran the kingdom" the Mad king had his tongue removed then he appointed Jamie to the Kingsguard so there was no heir to Casterly Rock. Tywin counsels Joffery in private or the small council where Joffery doesn't have any power.

In feudal societies the king is one step below God(s)...if Tywin pissed off any King in public he's dead. I think that's why he stayed away from Robert (Ours is the fury). If Joffery gave the order the lesser people of the realm would comply with Joffery's command, they could take the gold.

All the Lannisters use Joffery's family allegiance to disrespect him, he sees himself as a Lannister not a Baratheon.

Tywin knows about Cersei and Jamie they were separated as kids due to a sexual incident. He just doesn't let his family's dirty laundry out or give it validity

....Meanwhile Tywin chills in the tower of the hand with his low born hoes

 

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I see what your saying but I'm assuming the nights watch will be destroyed soon. Walkers on the way and they ain't bout that life.

I thought the wall was made with magic so the walkers really can't do to much with the wall.

 

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Very Well Gents,

You've stated your opinons and I've stated mines. Which is Jon *Snow will not be serving the Nights Watch(specifically) on the Wall the entire duration of GoT.He will be legally free of that obligation before the shows out!

I'm just going to say no. It's not a obligation its a LIFE long vow to brotherhood. Man I wish some of you guys would read up on the characters and details. Thats the main reason katts be dropping spoilers its so frustrating reading some of the crazy ideals yall come up with when you aactually know what has happened to people.

 

[LSN]

Damn man...you just completely ruined my image of this actor

 

[Count23]

Tywin never challenges or insults Joffery in public...he protects Tyrion when he does it for him, he's too wise to do it. He never challenged the Mad King either, when Ser Iilyn Payne (Executioner, Podrick's cousin) was overheard saying Tywin "really ran the kingdom" the Mad king had his tongue removed then he appointed Jamie to the Kingsguard so there was no heir to Casterly Rock. Tywin counsels Joffery in private or the small council where Joffery doesn't have any power.

In feudal societies the king is one step below God(s)...if Tywin pissed off any King in public he's dead. I think that's why he stayed away from Robert (Ours is the fury). If Joffery gave the order the lesser people of the realm would comply with Joffery's command, they could take the gold.

All the Lannisters use Joffery's family allegiance to disrespect him, he sees himself as a Lannister not a Baratheon.

Tywin knows about Cersei and Jamie they were separated as kids due to a sexual incident. He just doesn't let his family's dirty laundry out or give it validity

....Meanwhile Tywin chills in the tower of the hand with his low born hoes

 

[CobraKai]

I'm just going to say no. It's not a obligation its a LIFE long vow to brotherhood. Man I wish some of you guys would read up on the characters and details. Thats the main reason katts be dropping spoilers its so frustrating reading some of the crazy ideals yall come up with when you aactually know what has happened to people.

You sound silly right now...there's a thread just for the book readers if your so frustrated. Otherwise, half of the fun of watching a show is figuring out the twists and turns.

 

[Amajorfucup]

I'm just going to say no. It's not a obligation its a LIFE long vow to brotherhood. Man I wish some of you guys would read up on the characters and details. Thats the main reason katts be dropping spoilers its so frustrating reading some of the crazy ideals yall come up with when you aactually know what has happened to people.

You sound like a fucking fool. Since this "television show" thread frustrates you because we only discuss the "television show", how about you gtfo and go to the book thread.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

You sound like a fucking fool. Since this "television show" thread frustrates you because we only discuss the "television show", how about you gtfo and go to the book thread.

basically.

there is a thread you can not be frustrated in. lol

 

[tical]

Fam Quick question,

I can't seem to find the answer to this:

Why is it that the Dragon girl(khaleesi) was able to survive fire/burning but her brother wasn't? I thought their entire family line was immune to burning/fire etc?:confused:

 

[NightMare Paint]

stretchwallz's needs his ass beat

I rather of read a spoiler than see that shit

 

[LSN]

stretchwallz's needs his ass beat

I rather of read a spoiler than see that shit

 

[Amajorfucup]

Damn man...you just completely ruined my image of this actor

Can you unquote that bro. Once is more than enough.

 

[stretchwallz]

Very Well Gents,

You've stated your opinons and I've stated mines. Which is Jon *Snow will not be serving the Nights Watch(specifically) on the Wall the entire duration of GoT.He will be legally free of that obligation before the shows out!

The Stark kids each follow a theme, Bran=Insight, Sansa=Chastity, Arya=Hatred, Robb=Treachery, Rickon=Savagery, & Jon=Dishonor or Disgrace

Based on his characters symbolism I could see Jon abandoning the Night's Watch easily. He's born an outcast so his birth is a betrayal of his father's vows, he betrays the nights watch killing Quorin Halfhand, then he betrays his vows of celibacy sleeping with Ygritte, then he betrays Ygritte and the wildlings on his way back to the wall. His defection of the Night's Watch is easy to see following his character arch...he was ready to leave when Ned was killed (Sam saved him)

 

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You sound silly right now...there's a thread just for the book readers if your so frustrated. Otherwise, half of the fun of watching a show is figuring out the twists and turns.

You sound like a fucking fool. Since this "television show" thread frustrates you because we only discuss the "television show", how about you gtfo and go to the book thread.

But I haven't read the books. I just said I see why katts keep coming in here dropping spoilers. When have I posted a spoiler? Y'all are so angry over this thread and spoilers its crazy. I was just saying i think its funny and i can see why they do it calm down with the tuff ass name calling.

 

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But I haven't read the books. I just said I see why katts keep coming in here dropping spoilers. When have I posted a spoiler? Y'all are so angry over this thread and spoilers its crazy. I was just saying i think its funny and i can see why they do it calm down with the tuff ass name calling.

You sound silly right now...there's a thread just for the book readers if your so frustrated. Otherwise, half of the fun of watching a show is figuring out the twists and turns.

You sound like a fucking fool. Since this "television show" thread frustrates you because we only discuss the "television show", how about you gtfo and go to the book thread.

 

[Amajorfucup]

The Stark kids each follow a theme, Bran=Insight, Sansa=Chastity, Arya=Hatred, Robb=Treachery, Rickon=Savagery, & Jon=Dishonor or Disgrace

Disagree with Robb,Rickon,Jon.

Based on his characters symbolism I could see Jon abandoning the Night's Watch easily. He's born an outcast so his birth is a betrayal of his father's vows, he betrays the nights watch killing Quorin Halfhand, then he betrays his vows of celibacy sleeping with Ygritte, then he betrays Ygritte and the wildlings on his way back to the wall. His defection of the Night's Watch is easy to see following his character arch...he was ready to leave when Ned was killed (Sam saved him)

He was essentially a spy (or POW depending on your perspective) and did what he had to do to survive and gain intell. His loyalties were never at issue or in doubt. And that was clearly evidenced by his refusal to kill the old guy when he escaped. Why do some of you continue to judge his time with wildlings as a sign of betrayal or disloyalty?

 

[Gemini]

White boys rapping about Game Of Thrones.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

The Stark kids each follow a theme, Bran=Insight, Sansa=Chastity, Arya=Hatred, Robb=Treachery, Rickon=Savagery, & Jon=Dishonor or Disgrace

Based on his characters symbolism I could see Jon abandoning the Night's Watch easily. He's born an outcast so his birth is a betrayal of his father's vows, he betrays the nights watch killing Quorin Halfhand, then he betrays his vows of celibacy sleeping with Ygritte, then he betrays Ygritte and the wildlings on his way back to the wall. His defection of the Night's Watch is easy to see following his character arch...he was ready to leave when Ned was killed (Sam saved him)

The word idiot should be next to Robb....

 

[tical]

Fam Quick question,

I can't seem to find the answer to this:

Why is it that the Dragon girl(khaleesi) was able to survive fire/burning but her brother wasn't? I thought their entire family line was immune to burning/fire etc?:confused:

Bumping for an answer from the GoT experts....

 

[stretchwallz]

Fam Quick question,

I can't seem to find the answer to this:

Why is it that the Dragon girl(khaleesi) was able to survive fire/burning but her brother wasn't? I thought their entire family line was immune to burning/fire etc?:confused:

My hypothesis: the Valaryians have dragon DNA which allows then to be immune to fire & ride dragons. Like all DNA it's mixed with other DNA to create a life...various combinations appear. Same thing that happens with hair color, height, cancer, etc. The dragon DNA must be extremely recessive(white hair, blue eyes) due to the dragons dying off for 300 years. The Targaerayns frowned on race mixing and married brother and sister to keep dragon bloodlines pure but, eventually they couldn't resist Andal & First men ass. Danaerys has the gene, her brother Viserys didn't...luck of the DNA lottery.

 

[Count23]

Fam Quick question,

I can't seem to find the answer to this:

Why is it that the Dragon girl(khaleesi) was able to survive fire/burning but her brother wasn't? I thought their entire family line was immune to burning/fire etc?:confused:

My hypothesis: the Valaryians have dragon DNA which allows then to be immune to fire & ride dragons. Like all DNA it's mixed with other DNA to create a life...various combinations appear. Same thing that happens with hair color, height, cancer, etc. The dragon DNA must be extremely recessive(white hair, blue eyes) due to the dragons dying off for 300 years. The Targaerayns frowned on race mixing and married brother and sister to keep dragon bloodlines pure but, eventually they couldn't resist Andal & First men ass. Danaerys has the gene, her brother Viserys didn't...luck of the DNA lottery.

valaryians have dragon dna? i don't remember reading that. i know that they tamed the dragons using magic. maybe in this world, the ability to perform magic is a genetic trait, (with being fire resistant as a result) and since time to time the targaerayns 'tainted' their bloodline with other people, magic and fire resistance may have become a recessive trait as you said.

 

[stretchwallz]

valaryians have dragon dna? i don't remember reading that. i know that they tamed the dragons using magic. maybe in this world, the ability to perform magic is a genetic trait, (with being fire resistant as a result) and since time to time the targaerayns 'tainted' their bloodline with other people, magic and fire resistance may have become a recessive trait as you said.

GRRM doesn't explain magic in the books the TV show doesn't either...just clues and speculation. I always assumed the phrase "Blood of the Dragon" which Targaeryens boast alluded to so genetic connection between the species. Magic, being the mystery it is in GRRM world, could be involved in the connection. The phrase "blood of the dragon" refers to a number of typical Targaryen features: silvery-gold (or platinum) hair and violet eyes, fire immunity seems to be a recessive genetic trait, if it is a genetic trait, and is not shared by all Targaeryens

 

[tical]

I see,

So theirs no clear cut reasoning for it.
Here's what prompted the original question: The continual pondering over Who is Jon Snow?

Specifically the possibility of his father being Rheagar Targaryen. If the entire blood-line could resist fire then the scene when Jon Snow saved the commander of the nights watch from the *zombie thing by "grabbing the latern", throwing it and lighting the thing on fire would have been a die give away. Much like when Khalseei grabbed one of the eggs from hot *coal and didn't get burnt, but her lady-servant did. In Jon's case they didn't show his hand, But the sound of burning flesh and groaning sounds of pain suggests that he's not immune, thus not Targaryen Blood-Line?

Maybe at least...

O' and gents recessive alleles can be dominate! It's all a matter of perspective IN REFERENCE to the gene pool. But, I digress...I got your overall meaning

My hypothesis: the Valaryians have dragon DNA which allows then to be immune to fire & ride dragons. Like all DNA it's mixed with other DNA to create a life...various combinations appear. Same thing that happens with hair color, height, cancer, etc. The dragon DNA must be extremely recessive(white hair, blue eyes) due to the dragons dying off for 300 years. The Targaerayns frowned on race mixing and married brother and sister to keep dragon bloodlines pure but, eventually they couldn't resist Andal & First men ass. Danaerys has the gene, her brother Viserys didn't...luck of the DNA lottery.

valaryians have dragon dna? i don't remember reading that. i know that they tamed the dragons using magic. maybe in this world, the ability to perform magic is a genetic trait, (with being fire resistant as a result) and since time to time the targaerayns 'tainted' their bloodline with other people, magic and fire resistance may have become a recessive trait as you said.

 

[tical]

Economics of Ice & Fire I: House Tyrell Is Richer Than House Lannister

 

[Flawless]

Economics of Ice & Fire I: House Tyrell Is Richer Than House Lannister

You cant eat gold but you can buy an army to invade the farmlands

 

[stretchwallz]

I see,

So theirs no clear cut reasoning for it.
Here's what prompted the original question: The continual pondering over Who is Jon Snow?

Specifically the possibility of his father being Rheagar Targaryen. If the entire blood-line could resist fire then the scene when Jon Snow saved the commander of the nights watch from the *zombie thing by "grabbing the latern", throwing it and lighting the thing on fire would have been a die give away. Much like when Khalseei grabbed one of the eggs from hot *coal and didn't get burnt, but her lady-servant did. In Jon's case they didn't show his hand, But the sound of burning flesh and groaning sounds of pain suggests that he's not immune, thus not Targaryen Blood-Line?

Maybe at least...

O' and gents recessive alleles can be dominate! It's all a matter of perspective IN REFERENCE to the gene pool. But, I digress...I got your overall meaning

Good observation about the fire and Jon, gotta revisit that. Did Jon show any signs of being burnt following? I grabbed an incense once and couldn't play street fighter for a week!

Economics of Ice & Fire I: House Tyrell Is Richer Than House Lannister

I will read this but at first thought, people make money or various commodities have value. Agriculture and food ALWAYS has value