Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

You sound silly right now...there's a thread just for the book readers if your so frustrated. Otherwise, half of the fun of watching a show is figuring out the twists and turns.


Have you watched the show? You and Tical be asking questions that are plane as day in the show. Has nothing to do with book readings. A lot of the info I have it from watching the show, and reading on the internet. Hello in the show Jon Snow takes a vow/oath. WTF does that mean to you? An oath to something means forever. Did you miss when the deserter had his head chopped off? That imagery means for fucking life dummy. Jon Snow options in life are limited due to him being a bastard. What do you guys not understand. Only way he can do something as a Stark is if he is legitimized. Also remember he was raised by Ned STark who taught him honor so he would never go against his oath as a Nightswatch. I ain't read no book but I know enough about it.
 
I see,

So theirs no clear cut reasoning for it.
Here's what prompted the original question: The continual pondering over Who is Jon Snow?

Specifically the possibility of his father being Rheagar Targaryen. If the entire blood-line could resist fire then the scene when Jon Snow saved the commander of the nights watch from the *zombie thing by "grabbing the latern", throwing it and lighting the thing on fire would have been a die give away. Much like when Khalseei grabbed one of the eggs from hot *coal and didn't get burnt, but her lady-servant did. In Jon's case they didn't show his hand, But the sound of burning flesh and groaning sounds of pain suggests that he's not immune, thus not Targaryen Blood-Line?

Maybe at least...

O' and gents recessive alleles can be dominate! It's all a matter of perspective IN REFERENCE to the gene pool. But, I digress...I got your overall meaning


Jon Snow burnt his hand. Notice he wears a glove after the incident.
 
i think the khaleesi lucked out and got the best of her family's old traits. before her all known dragons were dead and for hundreds of years before that they were dying out. i'm sure the same went for her family's abilities. he brother got the family looks and the craziness. she got the same looks and an affinity to dragons. she intuitively knew what to do to get those eggs to hatch.


jon snow could have targaren blood, but from his colouration it's not dominant, he's more stark than anything else. but the way the starks have that wolf connection maybe he would connect with a dragon too if he came across one... fire proof or not
 
i think the khaleesi lucked out and got the best of her family's old traits. before her all known dragons were dead and for hundreds of years before that they were dying out. i'm sure the same went for her family's abilities. he brother got the family looks and the craziness. she got the same looks and an affinity to dragons. she intuitively knew what to do to get those eggs to hatch.


jon snow could have targaren blood, but from his colouration it's not dominant, he's more stark than anything else. but the way the starks have that wolf connection maybe he would connect with a dragon too if he came across one... fire proof or not

Ahhh, mines think alike. This was to be my other query! Specifically, can anyone connect with a Dire Wolf or is it only by Stark bloodlines? In which case would lend strongly to the Stark Sister(Ned's sister) being his biological mother.

1/2 Dragon + 1/2 Wolf = Jon Snow? Interesting...:yes:

How do you get a hold of GRRM? I got an idea to pitch!
 
GRRM doesn't explain magic in the books the TV show doesn't either...just clues and speculation. I always assumed the phrase "Blood of the Dragon" which Targaeryens boast alluded to so genetic connection between the species. Magic, being the mystery it is in GRRM world, could be involved in the connection. The phrase "blood of the dragon" refers to a number of typical Targaryen features: silvery-gold (or platinum) hair and violet eyes, fire immunity seems to be a recessive genetic trait, if it is a genetic trait, and is not shared by all Targaeryens

i agree with most of this, except i just took 'blood of the dragon' to be more metaphorical or at least, a reference to the banner/sigil of the targaeryen's house (dragons)

I see,

So theirs no clear cut reasoning for it.
Here's what prompted the original question: The continual pondering over Who is Jon Snow?

Specifically the possibility of his father being Rheagar Targaryen. If the entire blood-line could resist fire then the scene when Jon Snow saved the commander of the nights watch from the *zombie thing by "grabbing the latern", throwing it and lighting the thing on fire would have been a die give away. Much like when Khalseei grabbed one of the eggs from hot *coal and didn't get burnt, but her lady-servant did. In Jon's case they didn't show his hand, But the sound of burning flesh and groaning sounds of pain suggests that he's not immune, thus not Targaryen Blood-Line?

Maybe at least...

O' and gents recessive alleles can be dominate! It's all a matter of perspective IN REFERENCE to the gene pool. But, I digress...I got your overall meaning

well if jon does have targaeryen blood, and if magic/fire resistance are expressed traits, it would make sense that he may not be fire resistant, considering that he doesn't have silver-blonde hair or purple eyes either.

besides, IF it turns out that jon really is a targaeryen, grrm giving jon any of those traits would be too obvious, and would ruin the mystery before it is revealed (if it ever is)
 
Have you watched the show? You and Tical be asking questions that are plane as day in the show. Has nothing to do with book readings. A lot of the info I have it from watching the show, and reading on the internet. Hello in the show Jon Snow takes a vow/oath. WTF does that mean to you? An oath to something means forever. Did you miss when the deserter had his head chopped off? That imagery means for fucking life dummy. Jon Snow options in life are limited due to him being a bastard. What do you guys not understand. Only way he can do something as a Stark is if he is legitimized. Also remember he was raised by Ned STark who taught him honor so he would never go against his oath as a Nightswatch. I ain't read no book but I know enough about it.

i thought it was not a secret that jon was at least believed to be neds son, so does that not make him legitimate as in can make a claim. he more than likely would be after any full blood sons but everyone thinks all of them are dead so he's the last option . the other way he could not claim is if sansa had a son maybe or arya. i was under the impression he could not make a claim because he joined the nights watch so he defaulted all rights as a son of neds.

as for him being neds son so he would not go against the oath i also disagree. rob was the legit son and went against his oath to marry which is part of the reason he is dead..

also bastards were being killed because they were roberts bastards and could claim the title of king. joffery is not the legit heir which is why gendry is on the run. joffery not being legit is also why stannis went to war because he believes he as roberts bother is the true king
 
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also bastards were being killed because they were roberts bastards and could claim the title of king. joffery is not the legit heir which is why gendry is on the run. joffery not being legit is also why stannis went to war because he believes he as roberts bother is the true king

I thought the bastards were being killed because they all had black hair like their dad, while all the recognised kids were blonde like the lannisters. the bastards can't claim, that's why stannis is the rightful king and has gone to war
 
Have you watched the show? You and Tical be asking questions that are plane as day in the show. Has nothing to do with book readings. A lot of the info I have it from watching the show, and reading on the internet. Hello in the show Jon Snow takes a vow/oath. WTF does that mean to you? An oath to something means forever. Did you miss when the deserter had his head chopped off? That imagery means for fucking life dummy. Jon Snow options in life are limited due to him being a bastard. What do you guys not understand. Only way he can do something as a Stark is if he is legitimized. Also remember he was raised by Ned STark who taught him honor so he would never go against his oath as a Nightswatch. I ain't read no book but I know enough about it.

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You still haven't learned that "Honor" doesn't mean shit in this world? How many more times does GRRM need to teach this lesson? Haven't the Stark family, more so than any other, been the recipient of this blunt instrument from the beginning of the show. How much more examples do you need?

Fam, you can continue sticking to the "Honor this, Honor that" theme. But, if the rest of us want to venture down the "Fuck that!! No-one respect Honor in this world" please allow us too.

Thank you and have a great day!
 
There is NO such thing as a Game of Thrones Spoiler
Just as there is NO such thing as a Lord of the Rings Spoiler

The Books were written Years ago

Things like the wedding was explained to you in Season ONE
When Cat said 'Do Not Fuck with Walder Frey"

The Bolton's have had that Big Red x on their chest since the beginning ( The past TWO years )with a man with his skin ripped off
But you never saw that either ?

Every Thing that happens is laid out for you 5 episodes in advance.
Open your Ears & Eyes.
 
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You still haven't learned that "Honor" doesn't mean shit in this world? How many more times does GRRM need to teach this lesson? Haven't the Stark family, more so than any other, been the recipient of this blunt instrument from the beginning of the show. How much more examples do you need?

Fam, you can continue sticking to the "Honor this, Honor that" theme. But, if the rest of us want to venture down the "Fuck that!! No-one respect Honor in this world" please allow us too.

Thank you and have a great day!


Honor doesn't mean anything but to Starks it means everything. Honor is what killed Ned. Robb is 16 years old thinking with his dick. He broke his honor and when he tried to correct it his honor killed him. Jon Snow is trying to live by Stark honor. Have you not noticed that he has the most Stark like features? Therefore he is most like Ned keeping his Honor. You can argue all you want but I know what happens. You on your hunches which are totally wrong.
 
There is NO such thing as a Game of Thrones Spoiler
Just as there is NO such thing as a Lord of the Rings Spoiler

The Books were written Years ago

Things like the wedding was explained to you in Season ONE
When Cat said 'Do Not Fuck with Walder Frey"

The Bolton's have had that Big Red x on their chest since the beginning ( The past TWO years )with a man with his skin ripped off
But you never saw that either ?

Every Thing that happens is laid out for you 5 episodes in advance.
Open your Ears & Eyes.



This right here. Folks is looking at the show but they aren't looking at the show. There is background information you can read about the characters that can really help you understand but people don't read. The downfall of Robb was very apparent early. When the Bannermen saw him asking his mom for help that is when he lost his army. When his mom let Jaime go he lost his Bannermen. When he beheaded the Karstark he lost his Bannermen. Robb didn't know he was finished when everyone else did. The last straw was marrying that woman breaking his promise to the Frey daughter. He slapped every northerner in the face yet wanted them to follow him.
 
I thought the bastards were being killed because they all had black hair like their dad, while all the recognised kids were blonde like the lannisters. the bastards can't claim, that's why stannis is the rightful king and has gone to war

you could be right but i dont get why they'd be killed just because they looked like robert if as a bastard they have no claim to the throne. if your saying the bastards were killed because they could prove at the very least joffery or his siblings were not roberts i agree with your reasoning.
 
you could be right but i dont get why they'd be killed just because they looked like robert if as a bastard they have no claim to the throne. if your saying the bastards were killed because they could prove at the very least joffery or his siblings were not roberts i agree with your reasoning.

All the bastards were killed to cancel any threat to Joffery title to the iron throne. Cersei knows Baratheon and Lannister children wouldn't all have blonde hair. So if the realm believes Ned's letter Joffery has no claim to the Iron Throne; Gendry has more claim. Plus Robert took the Throne one of his bastards could possibly do the same...eliminate the threat

There is NO such thing as a Game of Thrones Spoiler
Just as there is NO such thing as a Lord of the Rings Spoiler

The Books were written Years ago

Things like the wedding was explained to you in Season ONE
When Cat said 'Do Not Fuck with Walder Frey"

The Bolton's have had that Big Red x on their chest since the beginning ( The past TWO years )with a man with his skin ripped off
But you never saw that either ?

Every Thing that happens is laid out for you 5 episodes in advance.
Open your Ears & Eyes.

Very true

i agree with most of this, except i just took 'blood of the dragon' to be more metaphorical or at least, a reference to the banner/sigil of the targaeryen's house (dragons)



well if jon does have targaeryen blood, and if magic/fire resistance are expressed traits, it would make sense that he may not be fire resistant, considering that he doesn't have silver-blonde hair or purple eyes either.

besides, IF it turns out that jon really is a targaeryen, grrm giving jon any of those traits would be too obvious, and would ruin the mystery before it is revealed (if it ever is)

Starks have dominant genes black hair...Targaryens have reccessive genes white hair; if Jon is the child of Rhaeghar and Lyanna odds are he'd look more like a Stark. Rhaeghar believed his child would be the "Prince that was promised" so Jon may have to delve into magic for his Targ abilities to surface.
 
All the bastards were killed to cancel any threat to Joffery title to the iron throne. Cersei knows Baratheon and Lannister children wouldn't all have blonde hair. So if the realm believes Ned's letter Joffery has no claim to the Iron Throne; Gendry has more claim. Plus Robert took the Throne one of his bastards could possibly do the same...eliminate the threat

i agree with you but the debate is could a bastard make a claim. either way makes sense. the reason i agree with the other poster is that stannis didn't seem to care about killing gendry even though he knew he was roberts son. it may have been as the other poster believes and gendry as a bastards is no threat. stannis seems to have wanted to kill him for some type of magical guarantee he would win the war and not because of his birth.
 
All the bastards were killed to cancel any threat to Joffery title to the iron throne. Cersei knows Baratheon and Lannister children wouldn't all have blonde hair. So if the realm believes Ned's letter Joffery has no claim to the Iron Throne; Gendry has more claim. Plus Robert took the Throne one of his bastards could possibly do the same...eliminate the threat

i agree with you but the debate is could a bastard make a claim. either way makes sense. the reason i agree with the other poster is that stannis didn't seem to care about killing gendry even though he knew he was roberts son. it may have been as the other poster believes and gendry as a bastards is no threat. stannis seems to have wanted to kill him for some type of magical guarantee he would win the war and not because of his birth.


Yeah he isn't killing him because Gendry wants to be king. He is killing him for his kings blood. To make Melisandres magic stronger or whatever.
 
i agree with you but the debate is could a bastard make a claim. either way makes sense. the reason i agree with the other poster is that stannis didn't seem to care about killing gendry even though he knew he was roberts son. it may have been as the other poster believes and gendry as a bastards is no threat. stannis seems to have wanted to kill him for some type of magical guarantee he would win the war and not because of his birth.

speaking of which, stannis burnt 3 leeches and called robb as one of the names, but i must say robb did not die in a particularly magical way, you'd think he'd burst into flame or something. unless it was more of a curse and you get deadly bad luck... but his death looked to be more from his mistakes than anything else and those mistakes were from long before stannis' witch took gandry's blood
 
i agree with you but the debate is could a bastard make a claim. either way makes sense. the reason i agree with the other poster is that stannis didn't seem to care about killing gendry even though he knew he was roberts son. it may have been as the other poster believes and gendry as a bastards is no threat. stannis seems to have wanted to kill him for some type of magical guarantee he would win the war and not because of his birth.

the legitimacy of anyone other than a Targaryen is suspect. The 7 kingdoms was united by force (Aegon the conquerer) and Robert (the usurper) took it by force too.... Roose Bolton said the high road is very pretty but you'll have a hard time marching your soldiers down it. Stannis has bought into the hype (too idealistic) that his brother was the TRUE king, therefore he is the successor. The Throne is taken, it belongs to who can win it



The Virgin Queen Elizabeth of England was illegitimate and sat on the throne...it's not improbable. Her half sister Mary wanted her dead out of fear she would make a claim on the throne


speaking of which, stannis burnt 3 leeches and called robb as one of the names, but i must say robb did not die in a particularly magical way, you'd think he'd burst into flame or something. unless it was more of a curse and you get deadly bad luck... but his death looked to be more from his mistakes than anything else and those mistakes were from long before stannis' witch took gandry's blood

Stannis is somewhat of an idiot, a humorless Ned who's never been as talented as his brother. I would agree with the curse angle
 
speaking of which, stannis burnt 3 leeches and called robb as one of the names, but i must say robb did not die in a particularly magical way, you'd think he'd burst into flame or something. unless it was more of a curse and you get deadly bad luck... but his death looked to be more from his mistakes than anything else and those mistakes were from long before stannis' witch took gandry's blood

I brought this up a few pages ago. Everybody wants to give Tywin all the credit for killing Robb, which is cool, cause he is a cold blooded muthafucka. But at the same time, Stannis/Melisandre wasn't really mentioned for using magic. People seem to forget Stannis used magic to take out Renly, so it's not impossible for the magic to have done it's job on Robb and since it wasn't that much kings blood in a leech, it might've just been enough for it to turn against Robb.
 
Ol Hodor ass nigga you got about 100 posts in this bitch alone

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Hodor in the mix!

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speaking of which, stannis burnt 3 leeches and called robb as one of the names, but i must say robb did not die in a particularly magical way, you'd think he'd burst into flame or something. unless it was more of a curse and you get deadly bad luck... but his death looked to be more from his mistakes than anything else and those mistakes were from long before stannis' witch took gandry's blood

Well...we'll have to wait and see since she also called Balon Greyjoy + Joffrey Baratheon
 
Just wondering if anybody had any favorite qoutables from season 3.

For the last couple of days, I've been saying "Valar Morghulis" and "You know nothing, Jon Snow" :lol:

 
the legitimacy of anyone other than a Targaryen is suspect. The 7 kingdoms was united by force (Aegon the conquerer) and Robert (the usurper) took it by force too.... Roose Bolton said the high road is very pretty but you'll have a hard time marching your soldiers down it. Stannis has bought into the hype (too idealistic) that his brother was the TRUE king, therefore he is the successor. The Throne is taken, it belongs to who can win it



The Virgin Queen Elizabeth of England was illegitimate and sat on the throne...it's not improbable. Her half sister Mary wanted her dead out of fear she would make a claim on the throne




Stannis is somewhat of an idiot, a humorless Ned who's never been as talented as his brother. I would agree with the curse angle


I wonder if Stannis is under a spell or does he truly have complete faith in this "new god"?
 
I wonder if Stannis is under a spell or does he truly have complete faith in this "new god"?

I don't think he has complete faith, because he uses Davos to balance out the fanatical element. But he knows that whatever is happening can't be denied. But to him it's means to an end. He's practical.
 
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