Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[SmoothD]

I'm not saying that Joffrey was a "good" leader. It's obvious that he was a horrible leader. But, he would have protected his family from every outside threat. If anyone was going to torment his family, it was going to be him.

Tommen doesn't have a clue as to what he should do. He's weak and timid, and those are the wrong characteristics for a king. As soon as the High Sparrow took his Mom, he should burn the building to the ground, and killed everyone in it. By them taking his Mom, they showed him that they have no respect for him or the crown he wears. No one should ever even dream about taking your Queen, and you're a sitting King. That's why some countries use regents when the king/queens are young. They have too much chaos going on in the kingdom; they just can't afford a timid king right now. If he can't deal with the High Sparrow, he for damn sure can't deal with White Walkers or Dragons.

On top of all that, he has horrible advisors. Westeros is doomed if he stays king. He needs Tyrion more that anyone.

And on top of that, he still hasn't fucked Margaery Tyrell

 

[dbrizzz]

I beg to differ there. Westeros thrived under the Targaryans, and their whole history was that of incest. Cersi and Jaime were incestuous true, but I'm not sure that was a Lannister family/historical thing.

Westeros would have continued to thrive with Tywin as the King's Hand or even King. Eddard Stark didn't understand the ruthlessness and cunning of the Lannisters. That's why he didn't make a good "Hand." He was loyal to Robert, but he didn't understand the Lannisters (Cersi and Tywin). I agree with others here that Cersi is just greedy and inept. But Tywin was that dude, and everyone knew it!

Varys and Little Finger understand the "Game." Those two as advisors helped make Robert a strong King, and they helped Westeros thrive as well. Robert was in debt to the Iron Bank, but Westeros still thrived under him.

So, I said all of that just to say that Westeros wasn't doomed because of incest. It's doomed because no one fears the power of the King.

Brother you are wrong about that. Ned did understand the Lannisters after they turned on the mad King and sacked Kings Landing, and raped and killed the Oberyn's sister and his kids. After the war, Ned confronted Robert and said Tywin should pay. Robert said it was war, and Ned told the king to go fuck himself. Episode 1 of season 1 takes place 10 years after the end of Robert's rebellion and its first time they had seen each other after the fell out. Ned knew how treacerous the Lannisters. Littlefinger used this to hatch the whole plan. Go back and watch season 1

 

[dbrizzz]

I beg to differ there. Westeros thrived under the Targaryans, and their whole history was that of incest. Cersi and Jaime were incestuous true, but I'm not sure that was a Lannister family/historical thing.

Westeros would have continued to thrive with Tywin as the King's Hand or even King. Eddard Stark didn't understand the ruthlessness and cunning of the Lannisters. That's why he didn't make a good "Hand." He was loyal to Robert, but he didn't understand the Lannisters (Cersi and Tywin). I agree with others here that Cersi is just greedy and inept. But Tywin was that dude, and everyone knew it!

Varys and Little Finger understand the "Game." Those two as advisors helped make Robert a strong King, and they helped Westeros thrive as well. Robert was in debt to the Iron Bank, but Westeros still thrived under him.

So, I said all of that just to say that Westeros wasn't doomed because of incest. It's doomed because no one fears the power of the King.

Brother you are wrong about that. Ned did understand the Lannisters after they turned on the mad King and sacked Kings Landing, and raped and killed the Oberyn's sister and his kids. After the war, Ned confronted Robert and said Tywin should pay. Robert said it was war, and Ned told the king to go fuck himself. Episode 1 of season 1 takes place 10 years after the end of Robert's rebellion and its first time they had seen each other after the fell out. Ned knew how treacherous the Lannisters were. Littlefinger used his knowledge of this to hatch the whole plan. Go back and watch season 1

 

[dbrizzz]

Brothers my bad for the multiple posts. Damn hotel wifi!

 

[PsiBorg]

Brother you are wrong about that. Ned did understand the Lannisters after they turned on the mad King and sacked Kings Landing, and raped and killed the Oberyn's sister and his kids. After the war, Ned confronted Robert and said Tywin should pay. Robert said it was war, and Ned told the king to go fuck himself. Episode 1 of season 1 takes place 10 years after the end of Robert's rebellion and its first time they had seen each other after the fell out. Ned knew how treacerous the Lannisters. Littlefinger used this to hatch the whole plan. Go back and watch season 1

If Ned would have understood the Lannisters, he would still have his head. He should have never told Cersi that he knew about her and all of them blond haired kids, and he shouldn't have told her that he would let her go back to Casterly Rock. He should have just had her and Jaime arrested, or at least taken into custody and shipped them off to CR. He should have let the people know immediately that Robert had a true son (bastard, but true), and that Joffrey wasn't a true heir.

Ned understood loyalty; but, he didn't quite grasp the "Game" that the Lannisters and the Targaryans play. They don't play by the rules, they play with the rules... and that's the difference between someone like Ned, and someone like Tywin. Ned honors loyalty, Tywin honors power! Tywin goes into the throne room on his horse who's dropping turds all over the place, and no one dares to say sh*t about it. He's powerful.

 

[chrislee]

Oh shit.. I just saw that my girl from Dark Matter Season 2 is the red woman.

I think she has a nude scene. I was checking for info on the green eyed red priestess and saw her in something.

 

[futureshock]

And on top of that, he still hasn't fucked Margaery Tyrell

 

[Dirtylakerie]

If Ned would have understood the Lannisters, he would still have his head. He should have never told Cersi that he knew about her and all of them blond haired kids, and he shouldn't have told her that he would let her go back to Casterly Rock. He should have just had her and Jaime arrested, or at least taken into custody and shipped them off to CR. He should have let the people know immediately that Robert had a true son (bastard, but true), and that Joffrey wasn't a true heir.

Ned understood loyalty; but, he didn't quite grasp the "Game" that the Lannisters and the Targaryans play. They don't play by the rules, they play with the rules... and that's the difference between someone like Ned, and someone like Tywin. Ned honors loyalty, Tywin honors power! Tywin goes into the throne room on his horse who's dropping turds all over the place, and no one dares to say sh*t about it. He's powerful.

Even renly baratheon tried to warn ned. After this renly did the wise thing and bounce.
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[godofwine]

All this Cersi and Arya Shit is taking away from how bad ass Liam "Hound" Nesson was.

"It was a time when I would kill all seven of you so I could gut all 3"

The Hound was raw. Fucking Nancy's. He was like I can't even cut a hand off of these motherfuckers?

 

[godofwine]

Yeah, he deserved better. Show him dying in a swordfight or something, like Barristan Selmy.

Funny thing is when we saw him last he said I haven't been in a sword fight and years I'm probably going to get killed quicker than a mother fucker

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

wait stretchwallz hasnt done his write-up yet..? maybe he waiting till after next week and doing a double-header

 

[SmoothD]

My bad.
I thought there was a conversation with the High Sparrow telling her she needs to fill her morale duty by having sex with the king.
I guess he meant that they haven't have sex once she had repented.
Thanks for clearing that up

 

[futureshock]

My bad.
I thought there was a conversation with the High Sparrow telling her she needs to fill her morale duty by having sex with the king.
I guess he meant that they haven't have sex once she had repented.
Thanks for clearing that up

Nah, homie you are right. But she also used to sneak into dude's room before they got married and she got his nose wide open way back then....talkin' about keeping "secrets between them."

 

[LordSinister]

Stretch?

 

[cli-terminator]

Stretch?

I was looking around too hoping I didn't miss the weekly review

 

[BlkStrength]

A bowl of soup, a few stitches, and some Robitussin.

Don't get me wrong...this still my show, but the farther they get from the book material, the worse the writing. Compare this to the red wedding scene when Rob's wife was stab in the same spot and even with the baby not organs taking the stabs she died a few minutes later.

Anyways, a assassin like her would have slashed her throat and be done with it.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

Here is a question, which Stark made the most egregious decision? This whole house is filled with dumb-dumbs. A friend and I can't decide who fucked up the worst. All of these decisions had major, long term repercussions that affected the entire series.

1. Ned for not listening to Renly, trusting Littlefinger, and being too fucking honorable when it came to Robert and the crown
   
2. Sansa for snitching to Cersei about Ned's plans on leaving leading to his beheading and just being generally dumb
3. Caitlyn for snatching up Tyrion in the first place and then letting Jaime go when he was a prisoner and basically starting a war with the Lannisters
   
4. Bran for not listening to his mother and not climbing roofs which ultimately lead to Jamie crippling him which kicked off some much trouble.
   
5. Robb for not honoring his agreement with Walder Frey and going off a marrying some random broad leading to the Red Wedding
   
6. Jon for falling in love with a wilding and losing the trust of the Knights Watch.
7. Arya for not picking a Lannister for her 3rd victim as part of Jaquen's debt to her.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Here is a question, which Stark made the most egregious decision? This whole house is filled with dumb-dumbs. A friend and I can't decide who fucked up the worst. All of these decisions had major, long term repercussions that affected the entire series.

1. Ned for not listening to Renly, trusting Littlefinger, and being too fucking honorable when it came to Robert and the crown
   
2. Sansa for snitching to Cersei about Ned's plans on leaving leading to his beheading and just being generally dumb
3. Caitlyn for snatching up Tyrion in the first place and then letting Jaime go when he was a prisoner and basically starting a war with the Lannisters
   
4. Bran for not listening to his mother and not climbing roofs which ultimately lead to Jamie crippling him which kicked off some much trouble.
   
5. Robb for not honoring his agreement with Walder Frey and going off a marrying some random broad leading to the Red Wedding
   
6. Jon for falling in love with a wilding and losing the trust of the Knights Watch.
7. Arya for not picking a Lannister for her 3rd victim as part of Jaquen's debt to her.

1.Ned wasnt yet at war. And he was operating by a code that had gotten him all he had earned up until that point. He remains well respected by his peers and his family still benefits from that.
2.Sansa was a little bitch but still just a very young child.
3.Caitlyns decisions wernt bad ones imo.. she had pure motives and it was actually her sons fuck up, not hers, that ultimately cost her
4.Brans a child man.. kids gonna kid.
5.YES... A major fuck up
6.Falling in love wasnt the issue.. It was siding with them for purposes of numbers. He made the right move
7.Nah. That wouldnt have stopped the ball from rolling at that point.

 

[darth frosty]

All this Cersi and Arya Shit is taking away from how bad ass Liam "Hound" Nesson was.

"It was a time when I would kill all seven of you so I could gut all 3"

I was thinking the same thing.

Hound wore them out with an axe

 

[lazarus]

Don't get me wrong...this still my show, but the farther they get from the book material, the worse the writing. Compare this to the red wedding scene when Rob's wife was stab in the same spot and even with the baby not organs taking the stabs she died a few minutes later.

Anyways, a assassin like her would have slashed her throat and be done with it.

I agree but she wanted it personal and pain to be felt

 

[darth frosty]

Even renly baratheon tried to warn ned. After this renly did the wise thing and bounce.
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Yep renly tried to tell him, he didn't listen renly got the hell outta dodge

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

1.Ned wasnt yet at war. And he was operating by a code that had gotten him all he had earned up until that point. He remains well respected by his peers and his family still benefits from that.
2.Sansa was a little bitch but still just a very young child.
3.Caitlyns decisions wernt bad ones imo.. she had pure motives and it was actually her sons fuck up, not hers, that ultimately cost her
4.Brans a child man.. kids gonna kid.
5.YES... A major fuck up
6.Falling in love wasnt the issue.. It was siding with them for purposes of numbers. He made the right move
7.Nah. That wouldnt have stopped the ball from rolling at that point.

I agree with you for the most part except for the first two.

While,I agree Ned was respected by alot of people,he didn't know how to play the game at all..There are something you gotta nip in the bud and Ned didn't do it at all.If,he listened to Renly,he would be alive right now.

As,for Sansa,while I agree she was young,she chose a potential husband over her family.Not only did she told Cercei what was going on,she didn't speak up for Arya at all.


With that all said,as much I think Sansa and Cercei are fucking idiots.Nothing tops what Robb did,he's the ultimate idiot on the show and I was happy he died with his dire-wolf on top of his shoulder.

 

[PsiBorg]

Don't get me wrong...this still my show, but the farther they get from the book material, the worse the writing. Compare this to the red wedding scene when Rob's wife was stab in the same spot and even with the baby not organs taking the stabs she died a few minutes later.

Anyways, a assassin like her would have slashed her throat and be done with it.

Agreed...

 

[PsiBorg]

Even renly baratheon tried to warn ned. After this renly did the wise thing and bounce.
​

I agree, Ned should have listened.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

1.Ned wasnt yet at war. And he was operating by a code that had gotten him all he had earned up until that point. He remains well respected by his peers and his family still benefits from that.
2.Sansa was a little bitch but still just a very young child.
3.Caitlyns decisions wernt bad ones imo.. she had pure motives and it was actually her sons fuck up, not hers, that ultimately cost her
4.Brans a child man.. kids gonna kid.
5.YES... A major fuck up
6.Falling in love wasnt the issue.. It was siding with them for purposes of numbers. He made the right move
7.Nah. That wouldnt have stopped the ball from rolling at that point.

Forgot to mention. Robb sending Theon back to Pyke. His mom warned him, but Robb sent him anyway and we all know what happens after that. Theon flips, takes Winterfell, and Ramsey is able to take Winterfell from him. The rest is history.

So Robb is the dumbest Stark.

 

[grownazzblakman]

MY THEORY ABOUT THE HIGH SPARROW IS...

He's probably a pedo-bear.
(Just like Meryn Trant was.)

That's why Qubyrn tells Cersei that theres 'much more' to all the rumors....

That's why Qubyrn also tells Cersei that his 'little birds' can confirm it....

Cersei already KNOWS about all the 'caches' of wildfire hidden all around the city.... because she HERSELF was adding to the big stockpile back in season 2, right before the battle of Blackwater.

When Tyrion was 'Hand of the King' he told the Old Pyromancer "you won't be making this stuff for my sister anymore... you from now on... You will be making it for ME instead."

So, the High Sparrow is probably 'blackmailing' Tommen with all shit they have done. (Or getting ready to blackmail him )

That's... WHY... he is able to control Tommen to such an extreme extent that he make all these decisions that go against his family & gives them a death sentence.

That's WHY a sex-pot like Queen Marjorie is unable to get Tommen aroused enough to make a baby... But she lied to the HS and blamed herself... To keep Tommen's name clean, just like she protected Renly Baratheon about the rumors.

"Do what The Gods say (through me, of course)..... or I will expose you"

High Sparrow gonna get caught red-handed.

Feeling deeply ashamed... Tommen prolly gonna kill himself, out of pure embarrassment.

Then Cersei gonna try to blow everyone in Kings Landing to Kingdom Come with the Wildfire, as payback.

Just my theory tho.

I could be wrong about all this shit.

 

[dawilleyone]

Robb for not honoring his agreement with Walder Frey and going off a marrying some random broad leading to the Red Wedding

Winner. All the other decisions either wouldn't have changed much or could have been recovered from. This one here just sealed the Stark fate.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Winner. All the other decisions either wouldn't have changed much or could have been recovered from. This one here just sealed the Stark fate.

What made Robb decision even more idiotic is that Catelyn warned him about Walder Frey and he still ignored it.....This was before,the Freys and Robb made the deal

Robb is the George W Bush on the show

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

1.Ned wasnt yet at war. And he was operating by a code that had gotten him all he had earned up until that point. He remains well respected by his peers and his family still benefits from that.
2.Sansa was a little bitch but still just a very young child.
3.Caitlyns decisions wernt bad ones imo.. she had pure motives and it was actually her sons fuck up, not hers, that ultimately cost her
4.Brans a child man.. kids gonna kid.
5.YES... A major fuck up
6.Falling in love wasnt the issue.. It was siding with them for purposes of numbers. He made the right move
7.Nah. That wouldnt have stopped the ball from rolling at that point.

yea they haven't really fucked up. the only person who fucked up imo is rob. if rob would have did what he was supposed to do pretty much everybody but his dad would still be alive right now.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I agree with you for the most part except for the first two.

While,I agree Ned was respected by alot of people,he didn't know how to play the game at all..There are something you gotta nip in the bud and Ned didn't do it at all.If,he listened to Renly,he would be alive right now.

As,for Sansa,while I agree she was young,she chose a potential husband over her family.Not only did she told Cercei what was going on,she didn't speak up for Arya at all.


With that all said,as much I think Sansa and Cercei are fucking idiots.Nothing tops what Robb did,he's the ultimate idiot on the show and I was happy he died with his dire-wolf on top of his shoulder.

Ned. He wasn't trying to play a game. that's the point. He was just about being honorable and doing what's right. I'm not going to blame him for not turning into a game player just because everyone else did. he lived by a code and died by it and that's really what it is. lots of people who tried to play the game ended up dead too.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Forgot to mention. Robb sending Theon back to Pyke. His mom warned him, but Robb sent him anyway and we all know what happens after that. Theon flips, takes Winterfell, and Ramsey is able to take Winterfell from him. The rest is history.

So Robb is the dumbest Stark.

the only dumb stark imo

 

[Piff504]

Even renly baratheon tried to warn ned. After this renly did the wise thing and bounce.
​

Renly couldve been more diplomatic. Ned saw he was self serving. Neither th Lanister bastards or Baratheon bros were fit to be kings.

 

[LSN]

you're saying the high sparrow fucking tommen??????

MY THEORY ABOUT THE HIGH SPARROW IS...

He's probably a pedo-bear.
(Just like Meryn Trant was.)

That's why Qubyrn tells Cersei that theres 'much more' to all the rumors....

That's why Qubyrn also tells Cersei that his 'little birds' can confirm it....

Cersei already KNOWS about all the 'caches' of wildfire hidden all around the city.... because she HERSELF was adding to the big stockpile back in season 2, right before the battle of Blackwater.

When Tyrion was 'Hand of the King' he told the Old Pyromancer "you won't be making this stuff for my sister anymore... you from now on... You will be making it for ME instead."

So, the High Sparrow is probably 'blackmailing' Tommen with all shit they have done. (Or getting ready to blackmail him )

That's... WHY... he is able to control Tommen to such an extreme extent that he make all these decisions that go against his family & gives them a death sentence.

That's WHY a sex-pot like Queen Marjorie is unable to get Tommen aroused enough to make a baby... But she lied to the HS and blamed herself... To keep Tommen's name clean, just like she protected Renly Baratheon about the rumors.

"Do what The Gods say (through me, of course)..... or I will expose you"

High Sparrow gonna get caught red-handed.

Feeling deeply ashamed... Tommen prolly gonna kill himself, out of pure embarrassment.

Then Cersei gonna try to blow everyone in Kings Landing to Kingdom Come with the Wildfire, as payback.

Just my theory tho.

I could be wrong about all this shit.

 

[ViCiouS]

yea they haven't really fucked up. the only person who fucked up imo is rob. if rob would have did what he was supposed to do pretty much everybody but his dad would still be alive right now.

1.Ned wasnt yet at war. And he was operating by a code that had gotten him all he had earned up until that point. He remains well respected by his peers and his family still benefits from that.
2.Sansa was a little bitch but still just a very young child.
3.Caitlyns decisions wernt bad ones imo.. she had pure motives and it was actually her sons fuck up, not hers, that ultimately cost her
4.Brans a child man.. kids gonna kid.
5.YES... A major fuck up
6.Falling in love wasnt the issue.. It was siding with them for purposes of numbers. He made the right move
7.Nah. That wouldnt have stopped the ball from rolling at that point.

Ned. He wasn't trying to play a game. that's the point. He was just about being honorable and doing what's right. I'm not going to blame him for not turning into a game player just because everyone else did. he lived by a code and died by it and that's really what it is. lots of people who tried to play the game ended up dead too.

Ned tipped his hand and even worse showed mercy -underestimated the family he saw run wild more than a decade earlier...inadvertently caused the death of Robert... like someone pulling a gun with no intention of shooting
no game playing - honor is one thing stupidity is another- he could learn from Shaka Zulu

Sansa went against the family - deserved the Fredo level of humiliation Jofferey hit her with and the baptisim under Zod that Ramsey guided her to

Caitlyn never once stopped to think what happens next - she had 2 Lannisters captive - 2!!!!
the dumb bitch wanted to execute Tyrion -lets say she succeeded -Tywin would have seen to it her home in Riverrun would have been ashes her husband and children murdered in their sleep and her only real ally her batshit sister
instead of trading Jaime as a hostage, the goofy cunt set him free with little thought to how it would damage her son in the middle of a war...

Robb - breaking his word - marrying for love (a no no for royalty) - sending Theon home - executing Karstark while sparing his own mother

If Arya killed Tywin - it wouldn't stop the Red Wedding - but Kings Landing would have fallen

Jon should have played it like Littlefinger would - Littefinger would have made Stannis be the one to give the order - Jon had Stanis on board

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

you're saying the high sparrow fucking tommen??????

i wouldn't be surprised if he tried to.
what have we learned about most in those type of positions acting holier than thou
we already see his sinister expressions when he tries to act like he's powerless but flexes his muscle (visiting jamie in the funeral hall)
etc etc
that smirk says there's much more there