Four people in Oregon who received both doses of vaccine test positive for coronavirus

BronxBomber

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good, dont listen to these nutjobs , be here for ur family

Oh I dont make my decisions based of the Hotep brothers.... I understand the lack of exposure, and education and what it does to our community.

As Ive said earlier, I have my skepticism over everything concerning Black folks, but I had it in Feb of last year...I was down damn near 6 weeks. My dr was giving me Steroids (asthma), using my machine (asthma), tamiflu, was still trying to jog, get to my sons games etc. It was ugly. Shorty got sick too. Month later Covid hit.

One year later Im just now getting back to jogging 2 miles straight... I use to do that 4-5 days a week. I was fairly healthy and fairly young... It aint no joke,.
 

ArsenalCannon357

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Oh I dont make my decisions based of the Hotep brothers.... I understand the lack of exposure, and education and what it does to our community.

As Ive said earlier, I have my skepticism over everything concerning Black folks, but I had it in Feb of last year...I was down damn near 6 weeks. My dr was giving me Steroids (asthma), using my machine (asthma), tamiflu, was still trying to jog, get to my sons games etc. It was ugly. Shorty got sick too. Month later Covid hit.

One year later Im just now getting back to jogging 2 miles straight... I use to do that 4-5 days a week. I was fairly healthy and fairly young... It aint no joke,.

Tellem doc the thing is no joke.
 

BrownTurd

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The antibody test is a blood test. Tells you if you “had” the virus by looking for the antibodies.
the covid test is the swab I believe. That just tells you if your currently covid positive
Several people after getting vaccinated to an antibodies test and nothing showed up
 

footloose

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Several people after getting vaccinated to an antibodies test and nothing showed up
I’m just saying if it did. I’m just saying What’s the big deal if it did. :dunno: Sounded kinda normal to me.
quoted from google.

“If your body develops an immune response—the goal of vaccination—there is a possibility you may test positive on some antibody tests. Antibody tests indicate you had a previous infection and that you may have some level of protection against the virus. Experts are currently looking at how COVID-19 vaccination may affect antibody testing results.”
 

Drayonis

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good, dont listen to these nutjobs , be here for ur family

Thanks.

Imagine you have an opportunity to take the vaccine but you listen to the idiots on BGOL and pass it up. (Fuck it, you're woke and know better right?) :)

3 weeks later you get the sniffles, body aches and an extreme headache. 48 hours from those symptoms you start to struggle to breath. They get you to the ICU and and your oxygen levels keep dropping. They give you air for another day but your O2 drops further...Doctors inform you that your kidneys are started to fail due to lack of oxygen. The doctors tell you they are going to have to vent you and sedate you...we can't promise you'll survive it's .....50/50....

While they are getting the equipment together (you can here them moving equipment around in the hallway), they tell you to call your family and speak to them (You have about 30 minutes)

...and in that moment...as you reach for your phone to call...you think back to the STUPID ASS DEFIANT ATTITUDE you had on BGOL only 3 weeks earlier. You remember you had a chance to get the vaccine but naw...you ain't no sucka, you passed on it. The last thing you remember is them pushing the painful tube down your throat and the excruciating burning sensation before everything goes dark.....
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

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mangobob79

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Oh I dont make my decisions based of the Hotep brothers.... I understand the lack of exposure, and education and what it does to our community.

As Ive said earlier, I have my skepticism over everything concerning Black folks, but I had it in Feb of last year...I was down damn near 6 weeks. My dr was giving me Steroids (asthma), using my machine (asthma), tamiflu, was still trying to jog, get to my sons games etc. It was ugly. Shorty got sick too. Month later Covid hit.

One year later Im just now getting back to jogging 2 miles straight... I use to do that 4-5 days a week. I was fairly healthy and fairly young... It aint no joke,.
Glad ur'e better bruh! it just infuriates me when i see the fuckery online and these fools will argue in circles about a science they dont understand but read somewhere on an instagram facebook meme and suddenly wanna act like theyre research doctorate candidates !!
 

mangobob79

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Thanks.

Imagine you have an opportunity to take the vaccine but you listen to the idiots on BGOL and pass it up. (Fuck it, you're woke and know better right?) :)

3 weeks later you get the sniffles, body aches and an extreme headache. 48 hours from those symptoms you start to struggle to breath. They get you to the ICU and and your oxygen levels keep dropping. They give you air for another day but your O2 drops further...Doctors inform you that your kidneys are started to fail due to lack of oxygen. The doctors tell you they are going to have to vent you and sedate you...we can't promise you'll survive it's .....50/50....

While they are getting the equipment together (you can here them moving equipment around in the hallway), they tell you to call your family and speak to them (You have about 30 minutes)

...and in that moment...as you reach for your phone to call...you think back to the STUPID ASS DEFIANT ATTITUDE you had on BGOL only 3 weeks earlier. You remember you had a chance to get the vaccine but naw...you ain't no sucka, you passed on it. The last thing you remember is them pushing the painful tube down your throat and the excruciating burning sensation before everything goes dark.....
what is the purpose of all these crap? to feel like they're in some special "knowledge" club ?
on these bgol streets i've asked them to support their position, 99% of the time they dont even know the science but wanna argue with ppl who were on the frontlines
 

mangobob79

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and Im not saying he didnt, Im just sayin when did I state that. again,

mangoboob... the point is, the same way viruses can be engineered to help man,

it can be engineered to do the opposite.

when they say common sense is not that common, they are really not kidding.
glad u responded, u just highlighted ur ignorance
 

trapture

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People should know about this too.


Doctors Warn COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects Might Interfere with Mammogram Test Results
To avoid unnecessary fear, the Society of Breast Imaging is warning women to schedule their mammogram before they’re vaccinated.
By Angie Crouch • Published 4 hours ago • Updated 3 hours ago


NBCUniversal Media, LLC
Doctors are finding that side effects from the COVID-19 vaccine can interfere with mammogram results, so women are being warned not to schedule the two procedures too close together. Angie Crouch reports for NBC4 News at 5 p.m. on Feb. 25, 2021.
Doctors are finding that side effects from the COVID-19 vaccine can interfere with mammogram results. Women who get the vaccine may experience swelling in the lymph nodes of the armpit as their immune system responds to the shot.

“It’s not uncommon to get enlarged lymph nodes after a vaccine, but we’re seeing it much more frequently with the COVID-19 vaccine than other vaccines,” says Dr. Cynthia A. Litwer, the chief of breast imaging at Cedars-Sinai.

Dr. Litwer says that if women get a mammogram too soon after they’re vaccinated, swelling of the lymph nodes can cause misleading breast exam test results. Thus, women are being warned not to schedule the two procedures too close together.

“When we see enlarged lymph nodes we do get concerned because it can be a sign of breast cancer. It can be a sign of cancer elsewhere in the body that has spread to the lymph nodes.”

 

trapture

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FEB. 23, 2021, AT 6:00 AM

So You Got Vaccinated … And Then You Got COVID. Now What?
By Maggie Koerth
Filed under COVID-19

VACCINE-POSITIVES-4x3-1.png


In retrospect, it was probably a mistake to take the mask off. But what are you gonna do? David Flint and his wife had to check in on her father up in the Bronx. Flint’s wife is her father’s home health aide, and the older man had just come home from having foot surgery. For more than an hour, they were all sitting there around the bedside — Flint, his wife and his sister-in-law. It’s a long time to wear a mask when not everyone else is. “After a while, I took it off,” Flint said.

Flint was vaccinated against COVID-19 already, so he assumed he’d be immune. A social worker in New York who provides home hospice services to the dying, he was one of the first people in the country to get the vaccine. By the time he sat down in his father-in-law’s bedroom on Jan. 19, he’d been fully vaccinated for a week. The odds were in his favor.

But odds are fickle things. In a game of chance, not everybody gets to win, even if the odds of winning are high. Flint rolled … and he lost, diagnosed with a mostly asymptomatic case of COVID-19 on Jan. 25. That, by itself, wasn’t a shock. He’d known that some people would still get the virus despite being vaccinated. Even the mRNA vaccines’ famed “95 percent efficacy” was really a measure of how well the vaccines prevented symptomatic cases. But Flint didn’t expect to be one of the people who slipped through the cracks. More importantly, though, he expected somebody to care. “I thought there’d be some mechanism,” he said. But nobody asked him about his vaccine status when he got tested. There was nowhere to file that information with his doctor. And that was the part that confused Flint. “Shouldn’t somebody want to know?” he asked.

[How Variants Complicate Everything]

Yep, they should. And they do. Efforts are already underway to gather information that will help scientists understand how effective the COVID-19 vaccines are in the real world. But “How well do vaccines work?” and “Should we be counting every vaccinated individual who gets the disease?” are two different questions.

That complication starts with some basic facts about the effectiveness of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines currently available in the U.S. Scientists say there is a difference between “efficacy” and “effectiveness.” Efficacy is the 95 percent number you get from a clinical trial. Effectiveness is what the number is once you’re vaccinating millions more people, some of whom will be older or sicker or more likely to be exposed to a virus than trial participants. It’s a metric that encompasses all the messiness of real life, including that vaccines won’t always be administered in ideal ways, said Dr. Kelly Moore, deputy director of the Immunization Action Coalition, an organization that works with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to educate the public on vaccines. “You have people who forget to come back for a second dose or come back late. Perhaps there’s a dosing administration error, or a storage problem,” she said. And that’s before you even start getting into whether new variants like the B.1.1.7 — originally found in the U.K. but expected to become dominant in the U.S. by March — might be more resistant to the vaccines than the variants those vaccines were tested against back in the fall.

The CDC will be tracking real-world COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness in multiple studies, using different methodologies in different places at different times. Some studies — like one that tracks groups of vaccinated and unvaccinated health-care personnel over time — are already underway.

Other studies are just getting off the ground. One CDC effort will piggyback on an existing system created to track the effectiveness of flu vaccines. At five medical research centers — in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Texas, Washington state and Wisconsin — every person who comes in with a cough or other respiratory symptoms can become a study participant. All of them will be tested for COVID-19. The ones who test positive are the cases; the ones who test negative become the controls. Researchers will then compare rates of vaccination between the two groups. Those studies are just beginning, though, because you can’t study the vaccine until people actually start getting it.


“It’s only as the vaccine gets rolled out to larger sections of the population that it becomes feasible to do. We’re just getting to that point now in Wisconsin,” said Dr. Ed Belongia, director of the Marshfield Clinic Research Institute’s Center for Clinical Epidemiology & Population Health — the flu vaccine-effectiveness research center in Wisconsin — on Feb. 11. “You can’t learn anything when only 1 percent of the population is vaccinated.”

[How Americans View Biden’s Response To The Coronavirus Crisis]

The CDC is taking multiple approaches to this because the real world lacks something that’s easier to control in a clinical trial: randomization. Unlike in that lab setting, you can’t pick some people to get the vaccine while denying it to others. What’s more, people don’t just sign up for clinical trials randomly, and that affects the results. People who want to participate in a study may differ in some ways from the population as a whole. Doing different kinds of studies that compare groups in a variety of ways helps reduce some of the uncertainty in the overall results.

But none of these efforts will study vaccine effectiveness by counting all the individual cases like Flint’s. There is CDC research aimed at doing that, but it’s not about vaccine effectiveness. Instead, that project, a partnership with state health departments, is meant to spot trends in who the vaccine isn’t working for.

Those methods of tracking vaccine effectiveness aren’t new, even if the virus is. Scientists study post-introduction vaccine effectiveness for every new vaccine that comes out, said Dr. Katherine Fleming-Dutra, a member of the Vaccine Effectiveness & Evaluation Team in the CDC’s COVID-19 Response. And that research has proven crucial to disease prevention.

For example, as part of an effort to eradicate measles in the U.S., scientists began tracking the decades-old measles vaccine in the 1980s. The studies taught them that one dose of this vaccine wasn’t cutting it, according to Dr. Walter Orenstein, professor and associate director of the Emory Vaccine Center at Emory University. In 1989 the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics began recommending that everyone get two doses. If you weren’t looking closely, it would have been easy to miss that a second dose was necessary. The first dose of measles vaccine is 93 percent effective. But the disease spreads so easily and rapidly that 93 percent wasn’t quite good enough, Orenstein said. With the second dose, the vaccine becomes 97 percent effective at preventing measles.

The flu vaccine, meanwhile, goes through this process every year. That’s why there’s that network of research centers for the CDC to use to study COVID-19. That system turns out results on flu vaccine effectiveness twice a year, and preliminary results are able to be put together with as little as a month or two of data. But that doesn’t mean we’ll have results as quickly on the COVID-19 vaccines. As the entire public health system has taken great pains to explain this past year, the flu and COVID-19 are not the same beast — and no one I spoke to was willing to estimate how long the results for COVID-19 will take.

[The Ethical Dilemmas Prompted By The Vaccine Rollout]

That’s because a number of complications will make it harder (and possibly take longer) to do the same kinds of studies for COVID-19. For example, the seasonal flu has, at this point, predictable annual checkpoints. Vaccines start rolling out in the fall. By December or January, as flu cases really begin to rise, everyone who is going to be vaccinated already has been, and the proportion of Americans who are vaccinated is roughly the same from year to year. With COVID-19, scientists are looking at a disease that has a high prevalence in some places and not in others as well as rolling out brand-new vaccines.

There are other challenges to tracking the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines, said Emily Martin, professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan and co-director of the Michigan Influenza Center. The flu networks have long relied on people coming in to see a doctor about their respiratory symptoms. That’s where they get signed up for the studies. But the expansion of COVID-19 testing has taken place largely outside doctors’ offices, and those testing centers may or may not leave a record of negative (or positive) diagnoses.

When the data finally does come in, it’s likely to show us that David Flint is not alone in contracting COVID-19 after getting two doses of the vaccine. But these studies can also bring good news as well. That’s because the fun thing about vaccines is, “How well do they work?” isn’t just about individuals. For example, when researchers studied the real-world effectiveness of pneumococcal vaccines, they found that rates of the disease fell among older people even though it was only children who were being vaccinated. That’s because kids were the primary carriers of the disease. Once they stopped contracting it, so did their grandparents.

And vaccine effectiveness isn’t just about how many people test positive. One thing we’ve learned from flu vaccine studies is that the vaccine can reduce the severity of the disease, even if you do still contract it post-vaccination. These studies will help us figure out what’s going on with COVID-19 as well. Stuff like that matters. After all, when Flint got COVID-19, he just had a sore throat. His unvaccinated family members, though, were worse off.

 

Mrfreddygoodbud

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glad u responded, u just highlighted ur ignorance

You know the saying

Opinions are like assholes.

Everybody got one...

Stupidity is putting something in your body

And you personally have no idea what it is

And defending that action is just a total

Breakdown of the brain due to fear based reasoning.

Facts > opinions
 

Drayonis

Thedogyears.com
BGOL Investor
what is the purpose of all these crap? to feel like they're in some special "knowledge" club ?
on these bgol streets i've asked them to support their position, 99% of the time they dont even know the science but wanna argue with ppl who were on the frontlines

Nail on the head. Just like Qanon, they feel like they have some "inside information" that makes them smarter than everyone else. Instead of just being satisfied with their "inside info" they have to preach it to anyone that will listen
 

Drayonis

Thedogyears.com
BGOL Investor
Oh I dont make my decisions based of the Hotep brothers.... I understand the lack of exposure, and education and what it does to our community.

As Ive said earlier, I have my skepticism over everything concerning Black folks, but I had it in Feb of last year...I was down damn near 6 weeks. My dr was giving me Steroids (asthma), using my machine (asthma), tamiflu, was still trying to jog, get to my sons games etc. It was ugly. Shorty got sick too. Month later Covid hit.

One year later Im just now getting back to jogging 2 miles straight... I use to do that 4-5 days a week. I was fairly healthy and fairly young... It aint no joke,.

And that's what people are contending with. People think it "won't be me". And no matter how healthy you are it CAN BE YOU.
 

roblo

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Why would I take an experimental vaccine for something that has a 99.7% recovery rate for my age group? I'll just take some medicine like I would for anything else.
 

kidmegaii

Medium well
BGOL Investor
Exactly. 50 million dosages administered so far and how many deaths?

NY state has had 1.5 million covid cases and 45K+ deaths. Using the idiot logic on here, shouldn't we see tens of thousands of vaccine related deaths by now?
Theyre covering them by counting them as covid deaths. Q told me this personally.

In all seriousness take the goddam vaccine y'all.
 

mangobob79

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BGOL Investor
You know the saying

Opinions are like assholes.

Everybody got one...

Stupidity is putting something in your body

And you personally have no idea what it is

And defending that action is just a total

Breakdown of the brain due to fear based reasoning.

Facts > opinions
further exposing ur ignorance with yet more circular opinions baked in fear based ignorance.. u are not even dealing in logic anymore,
u're just dealing with trained emotions based on ignorance & fear ,
u can't scientifically defend ur position yet u wanna argue scientific concepts without a scientific based argument
,! where they do that at?
u think u are dealing in facts when all u've come up with is fear based reasoning.. u mad funny I tell u :roflmao2:
 
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mangobob79

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Nail on the head. Just like Qanon, they feel like they have some "inside information" that makes them smarter than everyone else. Instead of just being satisfied with their "inside info" they have to preach it to anyone that will listen
that's my issue ,u don't wanna take it ,fine go ahead and endanger ur own family ..but they wanna feel special by endangering everyone else, yet they can't explain what their bunk science is based upon beyond what they read on a meme somewhere..ol' wanna be special muhfukkas
 
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mangobob79

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FEB. 23, 2021, AT 6:00 AM

So You Got Vaccinated … And Then You Got COVID. Now What?
By Maggie Koerth
Filed under COVID-19

VACCINE-POSITIVES-4x3-1.png


In retrospect, it was probably a mistake to take the mask off. But what are you gonna do? David Flint and his wife had to check in on her father up in the Bronx. Flint’s wife is her father’s home health aide, and the older man had just come home from having foot surgery. For more than an hour, they were all sitting there around the bedside — Flint, his wife and his sister-in-law. It’s a long time to wear a mask when not everyone else is. “After a while, I took it off,” Flint said.

Flint was vaccinated against COVID-19 already, so he assumed he’d be immune. A social worker in New York who provides home hospice services to the dying, he was one of the first people in the country to get the vaccine. By the time he sat down in his father-in-law’s bedroom on Jan. 19, he’d been fully vaccinated for a week. The odds were in his favor.

But odds are fickle things. In a game of chance, not everybody gets to win, even if the odds of winning are high. Flint rolled … and he lost, diagnosed with a mostly asymptomatic case of COVID-19 on Jan. 25. That, by itself, wasn’t a shock. He’d known that some people would still get the virus despite being vaccinated. Even the mRNA vaccines’ famed “95 percent efficacy” was really a measure of how well the vaccines prevented symptomatic cases. But Flint didn’t expect to be one of the people who slipped through the cracks. More importantly, though, he expected somebody to care. “I thought there’d be some mechanism,” he said. But nobody asked him about his vaccine status when he got tested. There was nowhere to file that information with his doctor. And that was the part that confused Flint. “Shouldn’t somebody want to know?” he asked.

[How Variants Complicate Everything]

Yep, they should. And they do. Efforts are already underway to gather information that will help scientists understand how effective the COVID-19 vaccines are in the real world. But “How well do vaccines work?” and “Should we be counting every vaccinated individual who gets the disease?” are two different questions.

That complication starts with some basic facts about the effectiveness of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines currently available in the U.S. Scientists say there is a difference between “efficacy” and “effectiveness.” Efficacy is the 95 percent number you get from a clinical trial. Effectiveness is what the number is once you’re vaccinating millions more people, some of whom will be older or sicker or more likely to be exposed to a virus than trial participants. It’s a metric that encompasses all the messiness of real life, including that vaccines won’t always be administered in ideal ways, said Dr. Kelly Moore, deputy director of the Immunization Action Coalition, an organization that works with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to educate the public on vaccines. “You have people who forget to come back for a second dose or come back late. Perhaps there’s a dosing administration error, or a storage problem,” she said. And that’s before you even start getting into whether new variants like the B.1.1.7 — originally found in the U.K. but expected to become dominant in the U.S. by March — might be more resistant to the vaccines than the variants those vaccines were tested against back in the fall.

The CDC will be tracking real-world COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness in multiple studies, using different methodologies in different places at different times. Some studies — like one that tracks groups of vaccinated and unvaccinated health-care personnel over time — are already underway.

Other studies are just getting off the ground. One CDC effort will piggyback on an existing system created to track the effectiveness of flu vaccines. At five medical research centers — in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Texas, Washington state and Wisconsin — every person who comes in with a cough or other respiratory symptoms can become a study participant. All of them will be tested for COVID-19. The ones who test positive are the cases; the ones who test negative become the controls. Researchers will then compare rates of vaccination between the two groups. Those studies are just beginning, though, because you can’t study the vaccine until people actually start getting it.


“It’s only as the vaccine gets rolled out to larger sections of the population that it becomes feasible to do. We’re just getting to that point now in Wisconsin,” said Dr. Ed Belongia, director of the Marshfield Clinic Research Institute’s Center for Clinical Epidemiology & Population Health — the flu vaccine-effectiveness research center in Wisconsin — on Feb. 11. “You can’t learn anything when only 1 percent of the population is vaccinated.”

[How Americans View Biden’s Response To The Coronavirus Crisis]

The CDC is taking multiple approaches to this because the real world lacks something that’s easier to control in a clinical trial: randomization. Unlike in that lab setting, you can’t pick some people to get the vaccine while denying it to others. What’s more, people don’t just sign up for clinical trials randomly, and that affects the results. People who want to participate in a study may differ in some ways from the population as a whole. Doing different kinds of studies that compare groups in a variety of ways helps reduce some of the uncertainty in the overall results.

But none of these efforts will study vaccine effectiveness by counting all the individual cases like Flint’s. There is CDC research aimed at doing that, but it’s not about vaccine effectiveness. Instead, that project, a partnership with state health departments, is meant to spot trends in who the vaccine isn’t working for.

Those methods of tracking vaccine effectiveness aren’t new, even if the virus is. Scientists study post-introduction vaccine effectiveness for every new vaccine that comes out, said Dr. Katherine Fleming-Dutra, a member of the Vaccine Effectiveness & Evaluation Team in the CDC’s COVID-19 Response. And that research has proven crucial to disease prevention.

For example, as part of an effort to eradicate measles in the U.S., scientists began tracking the decades-old measles vaccine in the 1980s. The studies taught them that one dose of this vaccine wasn’t cutting it, according to Dr. Walter Orenstein, professor and associate director of the Emory Vaccine Center at Emory University. In 1989 the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics began recommending that everyone get two doses. If you weren’t looking closely, it would have been easy to miss that a second dose was necessary. The first dose of measles vaccine is 93 percent effective. But the disease spreads so easily and rapidly that 93 percent wasn’t quite good enough, Orenstein said. With the second dose, the vaccine becomes 97 percent effective at preventing measles.

The flu vaccine, meanwhile, goes through this process every year. That’s why there’s that network of research centers for the CDC to use to study COVID-19. That system turns out results on flu vaccine effectiveness twice a year, and preliminary results are able to be put together with as little as a month or two of data. But that doesn’t mean we’ll have results as quickly on the COVID-19 vaccines. As the entire public health system has taken great pains to explain this past year, the flu and COVID-19 are not the same beast — and no one I spoke to was willing to estimate how long the results for COVID-19 will take.

[The Ethical Dilemmas Prompted By The Vaccine Rollout]

That’s because a number of complications will make it harder (and possibly take longer) to do the same kinds of studies for COVID-19. For example, the seasonal flu has, at this point, predictable annual checkpoints. Vaccines start rolling out in the fall. By December or January, as flu cases really begin to rise, everyone who is going to be vaccinated already has been, and the proportion of Americans who are vaccinated is roughly the same from year to year. With COVID-19, scientists are looking at a disease that has a high prevalence in some places and not in others as well as rolling out brand-new vaccines.

There are other challenges to tracking the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines, said Emily Martin, professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan and co-director of the Michigan Influenza Center. The flu networks have long relied on people coming in to see a doctor about their respiratory symptoms. That’s where they get signed up for the studies. But the expansion of COVID-19 testing has taken place largely outside doctors’ offices, and those testing centers may or may not leave a record of negative (or positive) diagnoses.

When the data finally does come in, it’s likely to show us that David Flint is not alone in contracting COVID-19 after getting two doses of the vaccine. But these studies can also bring good news as well. That’s because the fun thing about vaccines is, “How well do they work?” isn’t just about individuals. For example, when researchers studied the real-world effectiveness of pneumococcal vaccines, they found that rates of the disease fell among older people even though it was only children who were being vaccinated. That’s because kids were the primary carriers of the disease. Once they stopped contracting it, so did their grandparents.

And vaccine effectiveness isn’t just about how many people test positive. One thing we’ve learned from flu vaccine studies is that the vaccine can reduce the severity of the disease, even if you do still contract it post-vaccination. These studies will help us figure out what’s going on with COVID-19 as well. Stuff like that matters. After all, when Flint got COVID-19, he just had a sore throat. His unvaccinated family members, though, were worse off.

a good article ,I hope folks digest it and get the science out of it and not conjecture but I doubt it
 

Mrfreddygoodbud

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
further exposing ur ignorance with yet more circular opinions baked in fear based ignorance.. u are not even dealing in logic anymore,
u're just dealing with trained emotions based on ignorance & fear ,
u can't scientifically defend ur position yet u wanna argue scientific concepts without a scientific based argument
,! where they do that at?
u think u arent dealing in facts when all u've come up with is fear based reasoning.. u mad funny I tell u :roflmao2:

uh fear would be injecting foreign substances in your body, and not knowing what it is

based on some shit you heard in the media

duh!
 

TENT

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Cause it isn't about YOU. It is about the other people you might infect if you pass it along.

Why would I take an experimental vaccine for something that has a 99.7% recovery rate for my age group? I'll just take some medicine like I would for anything else.
 

bonammi

Star
BGOL Investor
If Vaccines are so effective, why isn't there a vaccine for the common cold? They've been studying cancer for over 50 years and there's no vaccine for cancer yet. Why would I put mercury, dead baby fetuses and other harmful agents in my body? It just doesn't make any sense.
 

mangobob79

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
uh fear would be injecting foreign substances in your body, and not knowing what it is

based on some shit you heard in the media

duh!
fear would be going off ignorance & trying to make others as afraid of the science as urself , I've made no one afraid of the science , I embraced it becos i understand it enuff to know how it works ,so how is it that I am the one who is afraid?,

u based ur stance off fear & ignorance & tried to make other ppI as afraid as u are!!
I made my positions based on the learned and understood science , u based ur position on illogical random conjecture and ignorance of the science, we are not the same dude.
u are the one who is living off fear !
 
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Darrkman

Hollis, Queens = Center of the Universe
BGOL Investor
If Vaccines are so effective, why isn't there a vaccine for the common cold? They've been studying cancer for over 50 years and there's no vaccine for cancer yet. Why would I put mercury, dead baby fetuses and other harmful agents in my body? It just doesn't make any sense.

Wooooo lots of ignorance in this....

OK there isn't a vaccine for the cold cause there's literally hundreds of strains of virus that cause the cold.

There are vaccines for some cancers



TThe rest of your post is the dumb anti vaxx bullshit I expect from stupid white people.
 

mangobob79

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
fear would be injecting foreign substances in your body, and not knowing what it is
u drink that moonshine & strange henny vodka every weekend at the strip club tho? do u know what's in them?
do u know some folks have strange allergic reactions that could kill them if they drink redwine ,vodka or rum ?
u eat all kinds of strange meats at restaurants u have no idea where it came from ?
have u ever taken Tylenol Advil aspirin etc?
ever been in a hospital and given prescription drugs ? did u know what's in them ?

do u know how they work?
do u even understand the chemistry & mechanic of delivery of those pills ?
yet u wanna argue vaccines and have no scientific basis for our argument but believe u should be taken seriously ?

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mangobob79

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BGOL Investor
Wooooo lots of ignorance in this....

OK there isn't a vaccine for the cold cause there's literally hundreds of strains of virus that cause the cold.

There are vaccines for some cancers



TThe rest of your post is the dumb anti vaxx bullshit I expect from stupid white people.
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for real, getting tiring out on these bgol streets
 
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