Former Illuminatist reveals Illuminati?

I cant believe I just went thru all 11 pages. Interesting.

Just suprised no one brought up the quote and speach on obilisk, C'mon ya'll slipping.

Original quote:

"Who indeed can tell what our nation will do if any perversity is possible of realization; and yet this obelisk may ask us, 'Can you expect to flourish forever? Can you expect wealth to accumulate and man not decay? Can you think that the soft folds of luxury are to wrap themselves closer and closer around this nation and the pith and vigor of its manhood know no decay? Can it creep over you and yet the nation know no decrepitude?' These are questions that may be answered in the time of the obelisk but not in ours."

Source
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/egypt/raising/newyork.html

Location: Central Park, New York, USA
Pharaoh: Tuthmosis III (reigned 1504-1450 B.C.)
Height: 70 feet
Weight: 193 tons
Story: After the opening of the Suez Canal in 1869, the ruler of Egypt, the Khedive Ismail, promised the United States an obelisk. Henry Gorridge, a lieutenant commander of the U.S. Navy, was appointed the task of transporting it to New York from its pedestal in Alexandria. (It had been moved to Alexandria from Heliopolis, where Tuthmosis III had erected it alongside its companion, which is now in London.)

The obelisk and its 50-ton pedestal arrived at the Quarantine Station in New York in July 1880. It took 32 horses hitched in 16 pairs to drag the pedestal alone through the streets of the city. Once the pedestal was in place on the summit of the Graywacke Knoll in Central Park, the obelisk was then hauled through Manhattan. It traveled at the rate of 97 feet a day, taking 112 days to arrive at the knoll. The shaft was raised in January 1881 before more than 10,000 jubilant New Yorkers.

At the raising, William Maxwell Evarts, then U.S. Secretary of State, declared, "Who indeed can tell what our nation will do if any perversity is possible of realization; and yet this obelisk may ask us, 'Can you expect to flourish forever? Can you expect wealth to accumulate and man not decay? Can you think that the soft folds of luxury are to wrap themselves closer and closer around this nation and the pith and vigor of its manhood know no decay? Can it creep over you and yet the nation know no decrepitude?' These are questions that may be answered in the time of the obelisk but not in ours."

Stevie
[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/ttM0pkmi1kA[/flash]
 
I cant believe I just went thru all 11 pages. Interesting.

Just suprised no one brought up the quote and speach on obilisk, C'mon ya'll slipping.

Original quote:



Source
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/egypt/raising/newyork.html

Location: Central Park, New York, USA
Pharaoh: Tuthmosis III (reigned 1504-1450 B.C.)
Height: 70 feet
Weight: 193 tons
Story: After the opening of the Suez Canal in 1869, the ruler of Egypt, the Khedive Ismail, promised the United States an obelisk. Henry Gorridge, a lieutenant commander of the U.S. Navy, was appointed the task of transporting it to New York from its pedestal in Alexandria. (It had been moved to Alexandria from Heliopolis, where Tuthmosis III had erected it alongside its companion, which is now in London.)

The obelisk and its 50-ton pedestal arrived at the Quarantine Station in New York in July 1880. It took 32 horses hitched in 16 pairs to drag the pedestal alone through the streets of the city. Once the pedestal was in place on the summit of the Graywacke Knoll in Central Park, the obelisk was then hauled through Manhattan. It traveled at the rate of 97 feet a day, taking 112 days to arrive at the knoll. The shaft was raised in January 1881 before more than 10,000 jubilant New Yorkers.

At the raising, William Maxwell Evarts, then U.S. Secretary of State, declared, "Who indeed can tell what our nation will do if any perversity is possible of realization; and yet this obelisk may ask us, 'Can you expect to flourish forever? Can you expect wealth to accumulate and man not decay? Can you think that the soft folds of luxury are to wrap themselves closer and closer around this nation and the pith and vigor of its manhood know no decay? Can it creep over you and yet the nation know no decrepitude?' These are questions that may be answered in the time of the obelisk but not in ours."

Stevie



i completely forgot about that thing:smh:
but i didnt know about that speech:eek:
kinda weird thing to say at what was supposed to be a happy occasion

but aint nowhere as weird as that stevie track
just completely unexpected
 
i completely forgot about that thing:smh:
but i didnt know about that speech:eek:
kinda weird thing to say at what was supposed to be a happy occasion

but aint nowhere as weird as that stevie track
just completely unexpected


Not weird, CRYPTIC!:confused: I challenge everyone that reads this to decypher it. Look at the meaning of those words, rearrange the sentence structures. Remember, this came from a guy considered one of the smartest men on the planet at this time. Yet it seems a little grammatically incorrect or is it? HE WAS A LAWYER.:yes:


"Who indeed can tell what our nation will do if any perversity is possible of realization; and yet this obelisk may ask us, 'Can you expect to flourish forever? Can you expect wealth to accumulate and man not decay? Can you think that the soft folds of luxury are to wrap themselves closer and closer around this nation and the pith and vigor of its manhood know no decay? Can it creep over you and yet the nation know no decrepitude?' These are questions that may be answered in the time of the obelisk but not in ours.":lol:
 
The Stevie Wonder song is deep but can one of you more enlightened brotha's explain the significance of it to me?
 
The Stevie Wonder song is deep but can one of you more enlightened brotha's explain the significance of it to me?
i feel it meant that stevie wonder is what they call a "star child" and his soul was assigned her to try to help us realize our ways. earth is basically a school of learning for young souls and this life is basically a virtual reality headset.
 
Not weird, CRYPTIC!:confused: I challenge everyone that reads this to decypher it. Look at the meaning of those words, rearrange the sentence structures. Remember, this came from a guy considered one of the smartest men on the planet at this time. Yet it seems a little grammatically incorrect or is it? HE WAS A LAWYER.:yes:


"Who indeed can tell what our nation will do if any perversity is possible of realization; and yet this obelisk may ask us, 'Can you expect to flourish forever? Can you expect wealth to accumulate and man not decay? Can you think that the soft folds of luxury are to wrap themselves closer and closer around this nation and the pith and vigor of its manhood know no decay? Can it creep over you and yet the nation know no decrepitude?' These are questions that may be answered in the time of the obelisk but not in ours.":lol:

sounds like a warning
but put in such a way that it seems like hes in the middle of a conversation
i only said weird cause i can only imagine the reaction after that speech was delivered

I dont know what that person intentions were with that speech but i'm positive it wasnt random babblings

The Stevie Wonder song is deep but can one of you more enlightened brotha's explain the significance of it to me?


i have a few theories but i rather wait for the more informed to chime in
 
sounds like a warning
but put in such a way that it seems like hes in the middle of a conversation
i only said weird cause i can only imagine the reaction after that speech was delivered

I dont know what that person intentions were with that speech but i'm positive it wasnt random babblings




i have a few theories but i rather wait for the more informed to chime in
what do you think of my assessment of stevie and the song?
 
what do you think of my assessment of stevie and the song?

urs is a definite possibility
actually similar to what i was thinkin
dont know about earth having the level of importance u give it though
seems like a pretty bad place to learn some important lessons
but maybe thats the point......


i only mentioned that i'd like for others to chime in cause i'd like to hear from others wit different prespectives
i dont like to assume i'm right
even if others my agree or have similar ideas
 
sounds like a warning
but put in such a way that it seems like hes in the middle of a conversation
i only said weird cause i can only imagine the reaction after that speech was delivered

I dont know what that person intentions were with that speech but i'm positive it wasnt random babblings




i have a few theories but i rather wait for the more informed to chime in

The speech seems to ask the question " Can a nation/society built on power & greed maintain its position. The rich will always become soft due to the luxury of there life. Hence a nation built on industry no longer producing much of anything. A recession (almost depression) where people buy $200 cell phones for children. Where, elections are stolen & the nation doesn't really care.
When one is on top for so long, you eventually get lazy & stop doing the work that got you in that position. I guess he saw The U.S. repeating the same mistakes of Empires in the past (Egypt).
 
The speech seems to ask the question " Can a nation/society built on power & greed maintain its position. The rich will always become soft due to the luxury of there life. Hence a nation built on industry no longer producing much of anything. A recession (almost depression) where people buy $200 cell phones for children. Where, elections are stolen & the nation doesn't really care.
When one is on top for so long, you eventually get lazy & stop doing the work that got you in that position. I guess he saw The U.S. repeating the same mistakes of Empires in the past (Egypt).


thats the warning part but theres something missing
like why did he choose that particular event to say what he said ( besides the obvious )
he could of tookin out the obelisk reference and replaced it wit what ever he wanted and delivered that same speech any other crowd
was their something about that crowd or/ time or area ?

just seems like its more than a warning that fell on deaf ears
 
I gave myself a headache reading some of the post in this thread last week. Some of you cats are either extremely intelligent or completely insane. frequency and pitches? Are you kidding me? Good read though.
 
I gave myself a headache reading some of the post in this thread last week. Some of you cats are either extremely intelligent or completely insane. frequency and pitches? Are you kidding me? Good read though.



may sound crazy but its the truth
some asians did some real interesting studies with thoughts and water
i even heard that the army was testing using sound waves to grow back messing teeth
the more people learn about quantum mechanics the more alot of things that once seem crazy will be revealed as truth
 
It was a warning in a cryptic manner. The capters are not that smart, they just have some biological advantages over humans or know how to use this realm/reality...the Egyptians also knew this. :yes:Which is why they had to be destroyed, it took several millenium before they conquered Egypt and then destroyed it from within. See HYKSOS KINGS.:yes:

The aforementioned speaker asked the question "What will the nation do if they realize the perversity which has taken place. You see at some time in the past the so called leaders of this nation made a deal to ensure them and their offspring's wealth and continued positioning in society. But never realized that the "givers" of such things had their on agenda. A "Deal with the DEVIL" so to speak. The Obelisks can be used to repel theses entities, which is why they were removed from EGYPT. Look at the amount of effort and money spent on putting a statue (obelisk) in Central Park. WTF??? :confused::confused::confused: The Statue of Liberty is an antenna!:yes::yes: It is used to activate the DNA of the hybrids. It's funny how its been used as such in two major motion pictures to de-value the truth.

A lot of people possess this creatures (yes just one ...MOTHER, QUEEN) DNA, which allows her or any of her "purer" offspring to either possess or control the said individuals. They can in-breed with their DNA, but the human physical body has complications with that, so they have to use more humans to reproduce into this realm. This is what has taken them so long.

A Professor's Theory: When they occupy a human host they use that body to reproduce their frequency.:confused: Once in the body the sperm acts as a carrier of their frequency to an egg. If the female is occupied or a hybrid then the offspring is less human. If the female is not a hybrid or host then the offspring will be less entity but will be able to control or possess, hopefully to mate with another of its kind.

My research points out that his wife may have been a hybrid. Look at the success rate of his children, almost predestined if there is such a thing.:yes: There is so much to tell, but I would rather you ladies and gents do your own research. Control your emotions; when you see something happening that doesn't make sense, use your INTUITION. Avoid the "BIG WHAMMY", you know, distractions of mass production. You'll get it.:yes::yes:

YES, I do give parts of what we know. Those that can get more information on their on are the ones to....:yes::yes::yes:







sounds like a warning
but put in such a way that it seems like hes in the middle of a conversation
i only said weird cause i can only imagine the reaction after that speech was delivered

I dont know what that person intentions were with that speech but i'm positive it wasnt random babblings




i have a few theories but i rather wait for the more informed to chime in
 
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Personal experience: It's amazing what you can miss everyday!



I came out and asked her who did we think was in there, she pointed her out. Simply stunning,:eek: had at least three guys and a girl grinding on her on the dance floor.:D I knew what she was instantly. Word has it that she instigated an orgy at her place after the party. :yes:

Fellas and ladies just be careful when you're out there. Pay attention.[/SIZE][/COLOR]


:eek:
Just took a trip to belize & experienced a woman like this on the trip with us, I immediately thought about this threat & it freaked me the fuck out...when we got back to the states, I got ghost on that ass
 
It was a warning in a cryptic manner. The capters are not that smart, they just have some biological advantages over humans or know how to use this realm/reality...the Egyptians also knew this. :yes:Which is why they had to be destroyed, it took several millenium before they conquered Egypt and then destroyed it from within. See HYKSOS KINGS.:yes:

The aforementioned speaker asked the question "What will the nation do if they realize the perversity which has taken place. You see at some time in the past the so called leaders of this nation made a deal to ensure them and their offspring's wealth and continued positioning in society. But never realized that the "givers" of such things had their on agenda. A "Deal with the DEVIL" so to speak. The Obelisks can be used to repel theses entities, which is why they were removed from EGYPT. Look at the amount of effort and money spent on putting a statue (obelisk) in Central Park. WTF??? :confused::confused::confused: The Statue of Liberty is an antenna!:yes::yes: It is used to activate the DNA of the hybrids. It's funny how its been used as such in two major motion pictures to de-value the truth.

A lot of people possess this creatures (yes just one ...MOTHER, QUEEN) DNA, which allows her or any of her "purer" offspring to either possess or control the said individuals. They can in-breed with their DNA, but the human physical body has complications with that, so they have to use more humans to reproduce into this realm. This is what has taken them so long.

A Professor's Theory: When they occupy a human host they use that body to reproduce their frequency.:confused: Once in the body the sperm acts as a carrier of their frequency to an egg. If the female is occupied or a hybrid then the offspring is less human. If the female is not a hybrid or host then the offspring will be less entity but will be able to control or possess, hopefully to mate with another of its kind.

My research points out that his wife may have been a hybrid. Look at the success rate of his children, almost predestined if there is such a thing.:yes: There is so much to tell, but I would rather you ladies and gents do your own research. Control your emotions; when you see something happening that doesn't make sense, use your INTUITION. Avoid the "BIG WHAMMY", you know, distractions of mass production. You'll get it.:yes::yes:

YES, I do give parts of what we know. Those that can get more information on their on are the ones to....:yes::yes::yes:





Here, have a read, from Wiki.:smh::smh: Not impossible but strange, being that great uncle Willie said those things at the SOL.:yes::yes:


William was a member of the extended Baldwin, Hoar & Sherman family, which had many members in American politics.

Ebenezer R. Hoar, a first cousin of Evarts, was a U.S. Attorney General, Associate Justice of the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts and representative in Congress. The two were best friends, and shared similar professional pursuits and political beliefs. Each served, in succession, as United States Attorney General. Some of Evarts's other first cousins include U.S. Senator & Governor of the State of Connecticut, Roger Sherman Baldwin; U.S. Senator for Massachusetts (brother of Ebenezer R.) George F. Hoar; and California state senator and founding trustee of the University of California, Sherman Day.

Son Maxwell Evarts graduated from Yale College in 1884, where he was also a member of Skull and Bones. He served as a New York City District attorney, and then later as General Counsel for E. H. Harriman, which later became the Union Pacific Railroad, president of two (2) Windsor, VT banks, and the chief financial backer of the Gridley Automatic Lathe (manufactured by the Windsor Machine Co.). In politics, Maxwell served as a representative in the Vermont state legislature and was a Vermont State Fair Commissioner.

Allen Wardner Evarts, another son, graduated from Yale College in 1869. He supported the founding of Wolf's Head Society, and was first president of its alumni association and held the position for 20 years over two separate terms. He was a law partner, corporate president, trustee of Vassar College, and a New York clubman.

Grandson Maxwell E. Perkins was the famed Charles Scribner's Sons editor of F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ernest Hemingway, Thomas Wolfe, Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings and James Jones.

Great nephew Evarts Boutell Greene was the famed American historian appointed Columbia University's first De Witt Clinton Professor of History 1923, Department Chairman from 1926 to 1939. Chairman of the Columbia Institute of Japanese Studies, 1936–39. He was a noted authority on the American Colonial and Revolutionary War periods. Another relative, Henry Sherman Boutell, was a member of the Illinois state house of representatives, 1884; member of the U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1897 to 1911 (6th District 1897-1903, 9th District 1903-11); delegate, Republican National Convention from Illinois, 1908; U.S. Minister, Switzerland, 1911-13.

Great great nephew Roger Sherman Greene II, the son of Daniel Crosby Greene and Mary Jane (Forbes) Greene; was the U.S. Vice Consul in Rio de Janeiro, 1903-04; Nagasaki, 1904-05; Kobe, 1905; U.S. Consul in Vladivostok, 1907; Harbin, 1909-11; U.S. Consul General in Hankow, 1911-14.

Great great nephew Jerome Davis Greene (1874-1959): President, Lee, Higginson & Company from 1917 to 1932; Secretary, Harvard University Corporation from 1905 to 1910 & 1934-1943; General Manager of the Rockefeller Institute 1910-1012, assistant and secretary to John D. Rockefeller Jr. as Trustee, Rockefeller Institute; Trustee, Rockefeller Foundation; Trustee, Rockefeller General Education Board from 1910 to 1939. executive secretary, American Section - Allied Maritime Transport Council, 1918 Joint Secretary of the Reparations, Paris Peace Conference, 1919; Chairman, American Council Institute of Pacific Relations, 1929-32; Trustee, Brookings Institution of Washington from 1928 to 1945; and a founding member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Great-grandson Archibald Cox served as a U.S. Solicitor General and special prosecutor during President Richard Nixon's Watergate Scandal, whereas Evarts defended a U.S. President Andrew Johnson in his impeachment trial. In a sense, they both successfully argued their cases, which represent two of the three U.S. Presidential impeachment efforts. An impeachment trial was never held in Nixon's case, due to the president's resignation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Evarts
 
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:eek:
Just took a trip to belize & experienced a woman like this on the trip with us, I immediately thought about this threat & it freaked me the fuck out...when we got back to the states, I got ghost on that ass

NO FEAR!:smh::smh: I believe SOME can sense that.:yes: Then they will seek to find out why you are/were afraid or giving off such vibes. Not all of them have these abilities, those are just hosts and breeders. I know its sounds strange, but check out some of the exercises that I posted in this thread. You are stronger than they are, you just have to know it.:yes::yes:
 
The Stevie Wonder analysis/song is genius. I never thought the thread would get THIS heavy. Interesting and informative stuff.
 
The Stevie Wonder analysis/song is genius. I never thought the thread would get THIS heavy. Interesting and informative stuff.

Here is a million dollar question.

Who/Whom or what is Stevie Wonder referring too in the song Saturn?
 
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It was a warning in a cryptic manner. The capters are not that smart, they just have some biological advantages over humans or know how to use this realm/reality...the Egyptians also knew this. :yes:Which is why they had to be destroyed, it took several millenium before they conquered Egypt and then destroyed it from within. See HYKSOS KINGS.:yes:

The aforementioned speaker asked the question "What will the nation do if they realize the perversity which has taken place. You see at some time in the past the so called leaders of this nation made a deal to ensure them and their offspring's wealth and continued positioning in society. But never realized that the "givers" of such things had their on agenda. A "Deal with the DEVIL" so to speak. The Obelisks can be used to repel theses entities, which is why they were removed from EGYPT. Look at the amount of effort and money spent on putting a statue (obelisk) in Central Park. WTF??? :confused::confused::confused: The Statue of Liberty is an antenna!:yes::yes: It is used to activate the DNA of the hybrids. It's funny how its been used as such in two major motion pictures to de-value the truth.

A lot of people possess this creatures (yes just one ...MOTHER, QUEEN) DNA, which allows her or any of her "purer" offspring to either possess or control the said individuals. They can in-breed with their DNA, but the human physical body has complications with that, so they have to use more humans to reproduce into this realm. This is what has taken them so long.

A Professor's Theory: When they occupy a human host they use that body to reproduce their frequency.:confused: Once in the body the sperm acts as a carrier of their frequency to an egg. If the female is occupied or a hybrid then the offspring is less human. If the female is not a hybrid or host then the offspring will be less entity but will be able to control or possess, hopefully to mate with another of its kind.

My research points out that his wife may have been a hybrid. Look at the success rate of his children, almost predestined if there is such a thing.:yes: There is so much to tell, but I would rather you ladies and gents do your own research. Control your emotions; when you see something happening that doesn't make sense, use your INTUITION. Avoid the "BIG WHAMMY", you know, distractions of mass production. You'll get it.:yes::yes:

YES, I do give parts of what we know. Those that can get more information on their on are the ones to....:yes::yes::yes:



I just thought he knew what was happening to the the country but i didnt think he was that deep into it:eek:
thought he may have done some business with a few too many shady people

Do u think he knew what his wife was, if she was a hybrid?
the speech seemed like it had some regret in it
maybe he made a deal with the others then realized the mistake he made:dunno:

Seems like it may be about that time to work on a tone generating app for mobile devices
Something along the lines of what i spoke of before......

:eek:
Just took a trip to belize & experienced a woman like this on the trip with us, I immediately thought about this threat & it freaked me the fuck out...when we got back to the states, I got ghost on that ass

yeah, u gonna have to give some details:yes:
u cant leave us hangin like that

Here is a million dollar question.

Who/Whom or what is Stevie Wonder referring too in the song Saturn?


i got 2 guess
either those gas giants out there aint gas giants and theres alot more about our solar system we're not being told or he coulda been using the name saturn in reference to some place on another plane

but my guesses feel too obvious
i dont think he would just put it all out there ( but who would know if he did )
and i know he wasnt just talkin bout a place in his mind so :dunno:
i'll have to do some diggin on stevies past.......
 
I just thought he knew what was happening to the the country but i didnt think he was that deep into it:eek:
thought he may have done some business with a few too many shady people

Do u think he knew what his wife was, if she was a hybrid? NO!
the speech seemed like it had some regret in it
maybe he made a deal with the others then realized the mistake he made:dunno: YES! He might have brokered the deal,legally. These creatures are business oriented, go figure. I recently had a convo with "ONE" that referred to the whole alien conspiracy thing as just a "Corporation" doing business. :yes::yes: Interesting analogy I thought.

Seems like it may be about that time to work on a tone generating app for mobile devices
Something along the lines of what i spoke of before...... Already in the works, use digital recorders.




yeah, u gonna have to give some details:yes:
u cant leave us hangin like that




i got 2 guess
either those gas giants out there aint gas giants and theres alot more about our solar system we're not being told or he coulda been using the name saturn in reference to some place on another plane

but my guesses feel too obvious
i dont think he would just put it all out there ( but who would know if he did )
and i know he wasnt just talkin bout a place in his mind so :dunno:
i'll have to do some diggin on stevies past.......
:yes::yes:
 
man this is the type of shit I want to know about...you guys please keep dropping these gems!

Bump!
 


that corporation thing is very interesting
it seems to imply that theres others that they do business with
as if its common practice for them to make deals all over the galaxy

makes ya think about that term "deal with the devil"
 
that corporation thing is very interesting
it seems to imply that theres others that they do business with
as if its common practice for them to make deals all over the galaxy

makes ya think about that term "deal with the devil"

Yes.:yes: They are very business oriented and ritualistic/religious in nature. :yes::yes::yes:

Recently, the same character was offended by a comment that I made to someone. Itentionally, I made the comment to one of their control-lies, so to speak. Sensitive creatures too. :lol:

We've noticed that they are very afraid of people that make other people THINK vs. people that say just follow a belief system.
 
here's some info on the hyksos:

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/hyksos.htm

The Hyksos were an important influence on Egyptian history, particularly at the beginning of the Second Intermediate Period. Most of what we know of the nature of the Hyksos depends upon written sources (of the Egyptians), such as the Rhind Papyrus. Also of considerable importance is the systematic excavation of their capital, Avaris (Tell el-Dab'a).

Aamu was the contemporary term used to distinguish the people of Avaris, the Hyksos capital in Egypt, from Egyptians. Egyptologists conventionally translate aamu as "asiatics" The Jewish historian, Josephus, in his Contra Apionem, claims that Manetho was the first to use the Greek term, Hyksos, incorrectly translated as "shepherd-kings". Contemporary Egyptians during the Hyksos invasion designated them as hikau khausut, which meant "rulers of foreign countries", a term that originally only referred to the ruling caste of the invaders. However, today the term Hyksos has come to refer to the whole of these people who ruled Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period of Egypt's ancient history, and had to be driven out of the land by the last ruler of the 17th Dynasty and the earliest ruler of Egypt's New Kingdom.

Josephus claims to quote directly from Manetho, who's original history is lost to us, when he describes the conquest and occupation of Egypt by the Hyksos:

"By main force they easily seized it without striking a blow; and having overpowered the rulers of the land, they hen burned our cities ruthlessly, razed to the ground the temples of gods...Finally, they appointed as king one of their number whose name was Salitis."

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Egypt_2a.htm


Because these foreigners had maintained their identity as "Asiatic's" and had not become Egyptians, they felt empowered to establish their own communities and live by their own laws. Eventually, as their numbers increased, they challenged the power of the Egyptian monarchy itself, and Egypt fell into disarray. We do not known exactly how the "Hyksos" took northern Egypt, but took it they did. The middle and last part of the Second Intermediate Period (15th-17th dynastys) saw northern Egypt ruled by these foreign kings for hundreds of years.

During this time, Egypt was never under the control of a single monarch, but consisted largely of independent states under a variety of kings. The Egyptians called the foreign kings of northern Egypt - Heka-Khaswt - there is argument as to whether this translates to "Shepherd Kings" or "Rulers of the Foreign Lands." The Greeks later perverted this word to Hyksos. It might be of interest to note that in Sumer, the king was known in their hymns and poems as "the good Shepherd".

This second intermediate period, lasted for hundreds of years, until king "Tao" of Thebes took to battle in order to re-unify Egypt. After he fell in battle, his son Kamose carried on. King Kamose's throne name, Wadj-kheper-re means: "Flourishing is the Manifestation of Re". As Kamose picked up the battle-axe from his father, in the war against the Hyksos, he tried to motivate the Egyptian people to break the status quo, but it was a hard task, their fighting spirit wasn't high. The Hyksos had apparently been good neighbors, they had incorporated Egyptian gods into their religious pantheon, and had many commercial agreements with Egyptians in upper Egypt. They were people who had lived in Egypt for hundreds of years, and aside from their desire to build their nation with the Pharaohs land, were in all other ways tolerable.

In order to hold-off the oncoming Egyptian army, the old Hyksos king, "Apepi I" tried to make an alliance with the Nubians (people south of Egypt), and engage King Kamose in a two-front war, but it didn't work out as planned. Instead the Nubians joined forces with Kamose and headed north to expel the Hyksos. However, all Egyptians did not support expulsion of the Hyksos, and these people were treated as traitors.
 
Here is a million dollar question.

Who/Whom or what is Stevie Wonder referring too in the song Saturn?

Could be anything, but my guess is our pure innocence and original state.

Like when he says people live to be couple of hundred of years. He made Saturn seem like a place that doesn't have that negative stress that ages you. Age imo is measured by many through our physical body's depreciation in the world, but you can still have a young spirit at heart as you did in your teens or 20's(which is why guys in sports like Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan thought they could still do the things they did when they were younger. They could, but not to the degree that their mind was telling their body.) Others, age through their mind which also affects their body.

I could be completely off, but that's an idea that came to my mind.
 
here's some info on the hyksos:

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/hyksos.htm

The Hyksos were an important influence on Egyptian history, particularly at the beginning of the Second Intermediate Period. Most of what we know of the nature of the Hyksos depends upon written sources (of the Egyptians), such as the Rhind Papyrus. Also of considerable importance is the systematic excavation of their capital, Avaris (Tell el-Dab'a).

Aamu was the contemporary term used to distinguish the people of Avaris, the Hyksos capital in Egypt, from Egyptians. Egyptologists conventionally translate aamu as "asiatics" The Jewish historian, Josephus, in his Contra Apionem, claims that Manetho was the first to use the Greek term, Hyksos, incorrectly translated as "shepherd-kings". Contemporary Egyptians during the Hyksos invasion designated them as hikau khausut, which meant "rulers of foreign countries", a term that originally only referred to the ruling caste of the invaders. However, today the term Hyksos has come to refer to the whole of these people who ruled Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period of Egypt's ancient history, and had to be driven out of the land by the last ruler of the 17th Dynasty and the earliest ruler of Egypt's New Kingdom.

Josephus claims to quote directly from Manetho, who's original history is lost to us, when he describes the conquest and occupation of Egypt by the Hyksos:

"By main force they easily seized it without striking a blow; and having overpowered the rulers of the land, they then burned our cities ruthlessly, razed to the ground the temples of gods...Finally, they appointed as king one of their number whose name was Salitis.":yes::yes: Magic-Science, mind control. Look at what GW Bush did to the US and try to rationalize it. You can't. Like many before him...just a hybrid/puppet.

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Egypt_2a.htm


Because these foreigners had maintained their identity as "Asiatic's" and had not become Egyptians, they felt empowered to establish their own communities and live by their own laws. Eventually, as their numbers increased, they challenged the power of the Egyptian monarchy itself, and Egypt fell into disarray. Same in Europe, know America, as they move to China, of course economically. We do not known exactly how the "Hyksos" took northern Egypt, but took it they did.:yes::yes: Yes they do, their not telling.They would have to acknowledge a lot of things that contridict the religious control mechanisms. :yes::yes:The middle and last part of the Second Intermediate Period (15th-17th dynastys) saw northern Egypt ruled by these foreign kings for hundreds of years.

During this time, Egypt was never under the control of a single monarch, but consisted largely of independent states under a variety of kings. The Egyptians called the foreign kings of northern Egypt - Heka-Khaswt - there is argument as to whether this translates to "Shepherd Kings" or "Rulers of the Foreign Lands." The Greeks later perverted this word to Hyksos. It might be of interest to note that in Sumer, the king was known in their hymns and poems as "the good Shepherd".

This second intermediate period, lasted for hundreds of years, until king "Tao" of Thebes took to battle in order to re-unify Egypt. After he fell in battle, his son Kamose carried on. King Kamose's throne name, Wadj-kheper-re means: "Flourishing is the Manifestation of Re". As Kamose picked up the battle-axe from his father, in the war against the Hyksos, he tried to motivate the Egyptian people to break the status quo, but it was a hard task, their fighting spirit wasn't high. or had been broken mentally.[/COLOR] The Hyksos had apparently been good neighbors, they had incorporated Egyptian gods into their religious pantheon,(this is called the first wave)and had many commercial agreements with Egyptians ( business minded)in upper Egypt. They were people who had lived in Egypt for hundreds of years, and aside from their desire to build their nation with the Pharaohs land (sound familiar?) , were in all other ways tolerable.

In order to hold-off the oncoming Egyptian army, the old Hyksos king, "Apepi I" tried to make an alliance with the Nubians (people south of Egypt), and engage King Kamose in a two-front war, but it didn't work out as planned. Instead the Nubians joined forces with Kamose and headed north to expel the Hyksos. However, all Egyptians did not support expulsion of the Hyksos, and these people were treated as traitors.:yes:


I went ahead and pointed out a few things. The sad thing is that a lot of information is just kept from the public by people that know. These people are in it for the money but do not realize that something far more valuable is at stake. Remember, your actual self is not the physical you but the ETERNAL ENERGY that exisst inside of that physical shell.:yes::yes:

Your essence/soul/existence.:yes::yes: These creatures are not after money, its just a way to manipulate the desires of people, look at the post above again. The are also called "SOUL-COLLECTORS" go figure.:yes::yes:
 
I went ahead and pointed out a few things. The sad thing is that a lot of information is just kept from the public by people that know. These people are in it for the money but do not realize that something far more valuable is at stake. Remember, your actual self is not the physical you but the ETERNAL ENERGY that exisst inside of that physical shell.:yes::yes:

Your essence/soul/existence.:yes::yes: These creatures are not after money, its just a way to manipulate the desires of people, look at the post above again. The are also called "SOUL-COLLECTORS" go figure.:yes::yes:
what do they want to do with our souls? if we lose our soul is that the end?
 
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