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First let’s start by not over reacting to the Bulls loss in the eastern conference finals. All things considered, the Bulls did very well in 2010-11. The Bulls had eight new players on the roster with only Rose, Deng, Noah and Gibson being holdovers. 2010-11 was the first year under Thibodaux’s tenure and the players should be better adjusted coming into the 2011-2012 season. Also, four of the Bulls rotational players severely regressed or had arguably the worst years in their careers. Let’s take a look:

  • Per 36 minutes and with the exception of his 2nd season, Boozer had the worse year of his career in which he played at least 59 games
  • Per 36 minutes and with the exception of his rookie year, Kyle Korver had the worst year of his career in which he has played at least 75 games
  • Per 36 minutes, Ronnie Brewer had his worst statistical year
  • Per 36 minutes and with the exception of his rookie year, CJ Watson had his worst statistical year

The one thing that all had in common is that they were new to the team. With a year under the system, they should all play better next year. Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson and Omer Asik are young players and have shown the ability to improve. They should have better seasons next year. Let’s not forget that Noah and Boozer were injured for extended periods last year. As collected, expect the Bulls should be a better team in 2011-12.
The glaring hole on the team is the SG spot. Keith Bogans may not be back next year as his contract option would have to be picked up by the team. With that said, I have identified potential SG replacements for the Bulls. It is unlikely that the Bulls will trade a rotation player to acquire a shooting guard so I did not include wild imaginary trades or crazy rumors in my assessment. All of the players identified are attainable via trade or free agency. They are grouped into four categories: Best Fit, Potential Studs, Serviceable Upgrades and Unproven Talent with High Upside

Best Fits

Courtney Lee- 6’5 200, 12.63 PER, 2 Years remaining on contract at 1.2 million. Lee is a good fit with the Bulls as he is an above average defender and can shoot the three (41% last year). He has proven that he can score a little bit via mid-range. Also, Lee has been through the playoff grind as he was the starting SG on Orlando’s 2009 NBA finals team. Houston wants a big but the Bulls did not want to give up Gibson or Asik in February and they should not now. He is behind Kevin Martin and has bench competition with Terrance Williams. The Bulls should offer either of the 2011 picks (28 or 30).

Aaron Afflalo- 6’5 215, 13.61 PER, 1 Year remaining on contract at 1.9 million. Afflalo is in that he is a handles the ball better than most his size. He is can get to the basket and finish with some strength and is a decent shooter. His size also allows him to play some SF. Denver will want big if they can’t resign Hilario. Chances are they will but the big question mark is can they proceed with JR Smith as their primary SG. In order to make the deal work the Bulls will have to trade Ronnie Brewer, the Bulls #30 pick in 2011 and swap Den 2012 1st for the 2012 Bobcats pick that the Bulls own.

Shannon Brown- 6’4 210, 13.67 PER, 2 years remaining on the contract at 2.2 million (player option after next year). While a bit under-sized Shannon Brown has SG strength and weight. He also has above average speed and leaping ability. Shannon Brown may be the most attainable for several reasons. First, there are questions about whether Brown had sex with Gasol’s fiancé. Also, it is believed that Mike Brown will not run the triangle offense and of Fisher and Blake are more traditional point guards than Brown. Finally, the Cavaliers drafted Brown and Mike Brown had him buried on the bench when he was in Cleveland. C.J. Watson straight up should get this deal done. Also, Brown is a Chicago native.

Serviceable Upgrades

Anthony Parker- 6’6 210, 10.56 PER, 1 year remaining on his contract at 2.9 million. Parker, a Chicago native, fits into the Bulls defensive philosophy as he is a defensive oriented player. He does not shoot well from the floor but can score better in the mid-range than Bogans. He also shot 40% from three. Parker is only a slight upgrade from Bogans and may not fill his void as he may take some time to adjust to the system. The Bulls should not trade any assets to acquire him. Trading Bogans straight up will get the job done (the bulls would have to pick up Bogans’ option) as Parker makes more than Parker and could save the Cavs 1.3 million. This should be a last case scenario for the Bulls.

Daequan Cook- 6’5 210, 12.84 PER, Unrestricted Free Agent. Daequan Cook is caught in a number game. He is a good scorer but not a better scorer than Harden. He is a good defender but not a better defender than Sefolasha. He is a good player that got caught in the numbers game. This can benefit the Bulls as Cook is a good defender that shot 42% from 3. Also, he should be relatively cheap to sign and the Bulls would not have to give up any assets to keep him. He is an upgrade over Bogans and would split time with Korver at the SG spot.

Potential Studs

Nick Young- 6’7 210, 14.51 PER, 1 Year remaining on his contract at 2.6 million. This is as close to an uncertain as it gets as Young may not be available. The Wizards have Young bigs in Blatche and McGee that will have to be re-signed soon. Also, Wall in up for an extension in two years. Of their good young talent Young is the most expendable (since Jordan Crawford is his back-up but we’ll get to him later). He has one year left on his deal and the Wizards will not want to lose him for nothing. Rashad Lewis’ contract has hampered their cap flexibility. While Young isn’t an all-star, is a young stud. He shoots the three well (39%), can slash and score in the mid-range. He is an average defender but a huge upgrade of Bogans. He can switch on picks to guard the point and SF. It may not cost too much to pry Young from the Wizards. The Bulls (if they make a move before the draft)can trade Bogans, #28 and Charlotte’s 2012 pick to Washington for Young. They can then decline Bogans option saving them 1.3 million, have a late 2011 pick and a lottery pick from Charlotte. This will only work if they are certain that he will not re-sign with them and if Jordan Crawford is their SG of the future. Young is the only player on this list that the Bulls should consider trading Gibson or Asik for.

Marcus Thornton- 6’4 205, 16.52 PER, Unrestricted free-agent. As good as Marcus Thornton has been, he is caught in a number game. Thornton is a SG and Sac has learned that Tyreke Evans is not a PG. The issue with Sac is that their two best players play the same position. Sac experimented with Evans playing at the three and Thornton at point and neither worked very well. This is a classic example of bad management as Sac gave up Carl Landry for Thornton and, if they lose Thornton, they will receive nothing out of the transaction. If they re-sign Thornton, they will have committed a large part of their cap to two players that play the same position (as Evans is up for an extension after next season). Thornton may not be perfect for the Bulls, he is a below average defender and I doubt that he is 6’4, but he is a flat out scorer. He averaged 20 ppg as a rookie and 17 last year playing for two teams. His per 36 minutes scoring average is over 20. He can penetrate, shoot the three and score in the midrange. The Bulls may not have enough money under the cap to sign him to a large enough offer sheet but the reluctance in around the CBA may make him available (especially if the Bulls decline Bogans’ option). Bogans scoring is absolutely perfect for the Bulls and he is the only player on the list that has a PER over 15. His 16.5 PER is consistent with a third option on a championship team and on the Bulls he’d be the fourth option. To make Thornton a Bull, they would have to have Sac re-sign him to a deal similar to Ronnie Brewer’s and trade him to Sac for Thornton (as the Kings don’t have a serviceable SF).

Unproven Young Player with High Upside

Jordan Crawford- 6’4 195, 11.89 PER, 4 years remaining starting at 1.1 million. Jordan Crawford is an interesting prospect as he has proven relatively quickly that he can score well in this league. The problem with Crawford is that he has a bad shot selection. This is consistent with rookies, especially rookies that saw significantly playing time. With the Bulls and in a limited role he should have a better shot selection. Crawford has not given any indication that he is a great defender yet it is not clear that he is a bad defender. His scoring potential is his best quality. The conundrum with the Wizards is that Crawford is not effective in limited minutes (as seen when he was a member of the Atlanta Hawks) but keeping Nick Young would severely limit his minutes. The Bulls can have Crawford if they trade Bogans and #28 pick. Washington will get some veteran leadership and a player that fits their rotation and the Bulls will get a legit scoring prospect at SG. This would be a plus for the Bulls as Crawford would certainly be a top 7 pick in this draft.

Jodie Meeks- 6’4 208, 12.59 PER, 2 years remaining at 763K. Meeks has proven to be a solid scorer on a team that has a lot of competition. He was able to average 10 ppg while competing with Igoudala, Lou Williams and Evan Turner as 2G. If the Sixers trade Igoudala then Meeks will not be available. If they keep Igoudala then Meeks can be available for a low price. Meeks has an above average handle, shoots well in the mid-range and off screens. He shoots very well from three (40% in the regular season and 44% in the playoffs). If Igoudala is not traded by the beginning of the draft, Meeks can be had for the #30 pick. This is a very real possibility as Philly is looking to shake things up.

Jermaine Taylor- 6’4 210, 12.23 PER, Unrestricted Free Agent. Taylor is the most interesting player on this list. Taylor has elite NBA speed, strength and leaping ability. He is a good ball handler and is a flat out a superb NBA athlete. Taylor’s problem is that he has not had an opportunity to get many minutes. Last year, when playing more than 16 minutes Taylor averaged 10.7 ppg. Taylor is very interesting as he is very similar to a young Monta Ellis, a player that the Bulls are interested in, the only difference is that, at 6’4 210, Taylor has better size than Ellis and is more suitable to play the SG as opposed to Ellis. Taylor’s Per 36 minute numbers were 16.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg and 2.4 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.4 bpg. M. Ellis’ were 21.5 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.9 spg, 0.3 bpg. While Ellis has considerably better numbers, he is owed 38 million over the next three years while Taylor can get good numbers, offer better size and a better rotational fit for under 4 million for the next three years. The Bulls can sign him the moment that the CBA is signed and do it for relatively peanuts. They would not have to give up any assets either.

Long-shots- R. Hamilton and B. Roy can be had if the new CBA allows for an amnesty release. Also, the Bulls worked out T. McGrady but signed Bogans instead. After getting to see McGrady for a year in Det, the Bulls may revisit T-Mac.

Per 36 Minute Numbers for all the Candidates
FG% 3% FT% R A S B Pts
Arron Afflalo
.498 .423 .847 3.9 2.6 0.5 0.5 13.4
Shannon Brown
.425 .349 .911 3.6 2.2 1.5 0.4 16.3
Daequan Cook
.436 .422 .800 4.3 1.2 0.8 0.1 14.4
Courtney Lee
.439 .408 .792 1.1 3.3 4.4 2.1 14.0
Marcus Thornton
.434 .367 .788 5.2 2.7 1.3 0.2 18.9
Nick Young
.441 .387 .816 3.1 1.3 0.8 0.3 19.7
Jordan Crawford
.384 .258 .869 3.7 4.1 1.4 0.1 17.2
Jodie Meeks
.425 .397 .894 3.0 1.4 1.1 0.1 13.5
Anthony Parker
.399 .379 .779 0.6 3.2 3.8 3.8 10.3
Jermaine Taylor
.480 .311 .750 4.6 2.4 1.0 0.4 16.6
 
what about getting Ben Gordon back to play that Jason Terry role. Bulls got out of 2 years of that big contract they didn't want to pay when he was a Free Agent. Pistons got new owners looking to clean house, maybe they could get Ben for a good price. I think Ben would be that instant offense that the Bulls sorely missed this year when Rose isn't hitting those jump shots...
 
Under Thibodeau, defense is a must. Since Korver provides NONE off the bench, and Ronnie Brewer is not a starter (why, I have no idea, I think he should have started over Bogans in the regular season, though I will give Bogans credit for having a solid playoffs). Of the options at the 2 you listed, my top 3 are:

Lee
Young
Cook

Since moving Boozer probably won't happen due to his contract, and D. Rose's contract will break the bank when his current deal expires, Taj Gibson, with all his upside, might unfortunately be an odd man out and have to be dealt to acquire some pieces to the puzzle (personally, I'd LOVE to see him starting over Boozer, but that's just me)
 
I like the idea of bringing Gordon back and with the Pistons looking at possibly drafting Kemba it may not be that difficult.OJ Mayo would also work.But I wouldn't dare trade Gibson or Asik or Nick Young.He doesn't play defense or pass.If they're going to acquire nothing more than a pure ballhog they may as well swing for the fences and go after JR Smith who is a much better player than Young.
The weird thing is the Bulls gave up Kirk Hinrich and last year's 1rst round pick for nothing but cap space and then Hinrich got traded for Crawford,Mike Bibby and a first round pick.So the Wizards got Hinrich for 3/4 of the season,Bibby,Crawford,2 1rst rounders and Kevin Seraphin for nothing.
 
I say Afflalo or Shannon Brown. Either of them will take some pressure off of Rose, hell if we could somehow steal Jamal Crawford back that would be perfect, but that's wishful thinking. Moving Boozer is probably not going to happen, the only thing we can hope for with him is that he adjusts to the system and plays better next season (rat bastid). I really hope we can keep Gibson, we need his defense and his energy, he's only going to get better as time progresses. In closing, I hope Bogans won't be back this was a complete and utter waste of a pick up....
 
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I like Aaron Affalo and Shannon Brown(Maywood, IL stand up!) also.

Ben Gordon or Jamal Crawford would not be bad either if they were to rejoin the Bulls.
 
I'm hoping for Lee or Afflalo. And if possible, Dequan Cook. When Cook was in Miami, I thought he seemed like a good investment. I think he'll develop real well during the next few seasons.
 
Afflalo would be a great pick. I always thought Nick Young had the talent to be really good but not sure if he is focused enough to develop consistently across the board. His size, with the proper coaching, would be a great asset to the Bulls.
 
J. Rich is out there but comes with a high price tag (unless I'm looking at old info), which makes Afflalo look like a very good choice.

I'd pass on Shannon Brown. Even though he has shown flashes you really need a player that can consistently break down the D and create his own shot playing starter minutes.

That was the issue in the playoffs, nobody else could really create their own offense once the Heat decide to focus on Rose.

Or

You look to bring in somebody like Andre Miller to take over at the point and move Rose to the 2, then you can bring in a 2nd tier scorer @ the 2 to back up Rose and will have essentially solved the issue. I know this scenario is more far fetched but it would be great for guys like Gibson and Asik to have a pass first PG.
 
no disrepect to the heat but............the bulls got robbed in that series, think about it, the heat stayed on the line by flopping around, the only points they really got was off of steals, i thought tibs, made some mistakes by not starting gibson & not putting noah in the 4th qtr after kirk t was gassed...rose missed some open shots, it wasnt brons D, the bulls just need 1 of those hybred dudes like j crawford or b gordon
 
J. Rich is out there but comes with a high price tag (unless I'm looking at old info), which makes Afflalo look like a very good choice.

I'd pass on Shannon Brown. Even though he has shown flashes you really need a player that can consistently break down the D and create his own shot playing starter minutes.

That was the issue in the playoffs, nobody else could really create their own offense once the Heat decide to focus on Rose.

Or

You look to bring in somebody like Andre Miller to take over at the point and move Rose to the 2, then you can bring in a 2nd tier scorer @ the 2 to back up Rose and will have essentially solved the issue. I know this scenario is more far fetched but it would be great for guys like Gibson and Asik to have a pass first PG.

Andre Miller makes too much money and if his time in Portland proved anything it's that he needs the ball in his hands to be effective and Rose is most effective controlling the ball.
And for J-Rich he made over 10 million this year but it was the final year of his contract so if they can convince him to take less to possibly win a title something could be worked out.
I'm interested in seeing what they do with their picks.Guys like Honeycutt, Shumpert and Jenkins all sound intriguing and at the very least Shumpert would fit in defensively,Jenkins has been compared to Gordon and Honeycutt has excellent size. And there's a chance that a pick goes toward a big man like Jeremy Tyler.
 
Nice rundown of the issues OP. I'm really hoping for Afflalo, or as a secondary choice, Jamal Crawford, who I think can be had. I'd much prefer Afflolo, since you must have someone who can effectively guard the bigger #2's, and Afflalo will give you much more of that than will Crawford.

And I really hope the Ben Gordon talk will cease. He is not the Ben Gordon of three years ago, and on the occasions I saw him this season, he absolutely sucked to high heaven. Plus, he won't be able to meet Thibodeau defensive standards. I also hope that Pax will insist that Boozer spend a good portion of the summer in Chicago putting in work on overall conditioning. His work ethic doesn't come close to 90% of the players on this team.

Unfortunately, all of these discussions may be a waste of time, since it looks like the NFL may have a much better chance at having a full season than the NBA will next year.
 
Not a Bulls fan but I'll chime in anyway. I think Nick Young is the best option if yall can get him. Dude can get points which was the problem for the Bulls at times. Honestly once teams start axing some of these overpaid "stars" a team like the Bulls can clean up. I predict a lot of good spare parts will be in the NBA junkyard after the lockout.
 
we'll give you monta for 2 of the following 3: Noah, Gibson, Asik (add something like a pick if its Gibson + Asik).
 
Lol shit is funny to me... I was listening to ESPN radio after the Heat lost to the finals and the reporters talking about what picks etc the Heat should to to improve. Niggas was throwing out mad scenarios to benefit the Heat and one reporter was like hold on all this sounds good for the Heat but what about the other team involved and that's what I see wihthis thread. Yea some of the personel looks good to improve the Bulls but what about the other team, nobody gonna trade Bogans for Gorden etc... Make the trade talks even not one sided some of the talk sounds like the Bulls gonn dump their garbage to Detroit for REAL players???
 
It's simple. Bring back Ben Gordon. SG has been a problem for the Bulls ever since he left in 2009. They thought they could replace him with stop-gap players like John Salmons and bench chuckers like Jannero Pargo. It's time for the Bulls to admit their mistake of letting BG go, bring him back, and win a championship. Outside of that, Carlos Boozer is beginning to look like a top-3 worst contract in the NBA waiting to happen. Maybe I'm jumping the gun, but if I was the Bulls GM, I would be exploring trade options for Boozer, and if a decent one come along I wouldn't hesitate.
 
we'll give you monta for 2 of the following 3: Noah, Gibson, Asik (add something like a pick if its Gibson + Asik).

Man Hell Naw!!!

1) I'd slap the shit out of Gar Forman if he did that shit

2) we don't even want Ellis - he's plays the same game Derrick Rose plays. I don't care how fast the backcourt will be

3) we need a shooter who can create his own shot and play defense

4) The only way we trading two of our big men is if we somehow get Dwight Howard out of the deal

5) Lastly, they was talking about how your boy would be ready to give us Ellis for Luol Deng. And I'm pretty sure we keeping Deng.
 
Lol shit is funny to me... I was listening to ESPN radio after the Heat lost to the finals and the reporters talking about what picks etc the Heat should to to improve. Niggas was throwing out mad scenarios to benefit the Heat and one reporter was like hold on all this sounds good for the Heat but what about the other team involved and that's what I see wihthis thread. Yea some of the personel looks good to improve the Bulls but what about the other team, nobody gonna trade Bogans for Gorden etc... Make the trade talks even not one sided some of the talk sounds like the Bulls gonn dump their garbage to Detroit for REAL players???

reason why Detroit is coming up is they got new ownership and probably want to clean house. Gordon and Charlie V got big contracts that they need to get rid of. Prince and RIP are going to get traded once the CBA shakes out. I think Detroit would take a few expiring contracts to get rid of Ben or Charlie V. They not going nowhere with any of those dudes...
 
The Bulls aren't going to really do a lot because they want that cap room for when Blake Griffin is a free agent. I never like the Boozer deal cause he is always hurt. I do like Tracey McGrady to come to the Bulls only if he doesn't cost much.
 
nice drop op i like the best fits and i'm honestly intrigued by nick young at 6'7 he would be an ideal 2 i think under thibs, he is very jr smith-ish offensively but a lil more consistently strangely maybe bc he is in dc but still his upside is :cool: b/c he is rangy and athletic,once again nice drop op
 
Aflalo and Brown sound good to me. I like their toughness and they D on point. I know we need a scorer, but we also need somebody that can play that defense that Tibs looking for.

T Mac...naw dawg, I don't like it.

Ben Gordon...really fellas? I could not stand that dude heavin up all them damn shots then not playin no Defense!!

Jamal coming back would be SWEET but highly unlikely.

The long shot for RIP would be nice too, but really how many years RIP got left in him??
 
Man Hell Naw!!!

1) I'd slap the shit out of Gar Forman if he did that shit

2) we don't even want Ellis - he's plays the same game Derrick Rose plays. I don't care how fast the backcourt will be

3) we need a shooter who can create his own shot and play defense

4) The only way we trading two of our big men is if we somehow get Dwight Howard out of the deal

5) Lastly, they was talking about how your boy would be ready to give us Ellis for Luol Deng. And I'm pretty sure we keeping Deng.

man monta's the #3 shooting guard in the L

fugg it yall roll with bogans :lol: the offer is withdrawn.

we got a real coach and GM (the logo) now...we bout to run cats off the court watch :yes:

gibson bout to be a free agent. yall can't afford him with that boozer contract anyway.
 
just wondering why the article is so heavily focused on the 2.

doesn't chicago have a greater need of a capable scorer at the 4 or 5?

not a franchise player, not a world beater, but a decent scorer who can get you a few high percentage buckets in the paint?

:confused:
 
I honestly don't know what they should do but they seriously need someone who can consistently hit the outside shot. Maybe Korver will be better on the offensive end because we already know he does not play D. I heard someone say Curry from Golden State also.
 
man monta's the #3 shooting guard in the L

fugg it yall roll with bogans :lol: the offer is withdrawn.

we got a real coach and GM (the logo) now...we bout to run cats off the court watch :yes:

gibson bout to be a free agent. yall can't afford him with that boozer contract anyway.

Monta's cool and all but I just don't think he'd be a good fit for the Bulls. Besides, his contract is like 11 million, we can get what we need for less than that.

Gibson contract will be a free agent in 2013 and his is only a little over a million - we can sign him if we don't re-sign Pargo, Lucas and Butler, if it's a problem
 
Ray Allen would be a perfect fit with for the Bulls...one year left on his contract,and two or three left in his game.
 
just wondering why the article is so heavily focused on the 2.

doesn't chicago have a greater need of a capable scorer at the 4 or 5?

not a franchise player, not a world beater, but a decent scorer who can get you a few high percentage buckets in the paint?

:confused:

The Bulls got 130 mil invested in the 3 and 4 for the next 5 years. They cant invest more money at that position. Also, I am not sure that we should scrap the Boozer Noah duo. Neither of them were healthy this year.
 
Since when does a team with a talented young nucleus, a league MVP under the age of 25, and who just made the conference finals, need fixing? Maybe some spoiled Chicago Bulls fans need fixing.... :dunno:
 
Since when does a team with a talented young nucleus, a league MVP under the age of 25, and who just made the conference finals, need fixing? Maybe some spoiled Chicago Bulls fans need fixing.... :dunno:

Ain't no trophies for 2nd place. :dunno:

Why should they settle for 2nd place in the East when they're maybe a free agent and a trade move away from being able to go all the way?

Nobody's asking for an overhaul. We just need a couple guys who can score and play good defense.
 
Since when does a team with a talented young nucleus, a league MVP under the age of 25, and who just made the conference finals, need fixing? Maybe some spoiled Chicago Bulls fans need fixing.... :dunno:

Since that team, with it's "talented young nucleus", could have made the FINALS and possible WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP, is why it needs fixing.

Maybe some fans who have low standards for their teams and consider making a conference finals a "accomplishment" need fixing.....:dunno:
 
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