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Hadn't seen this posted on the board but this is HUGE news...especially for folks like me still using Apple TV 2 as opposed to ATV3 simply because of it's ability to load XBMC. It appears as if the Fire TV will be the de facto king now...

Install instructions here ---> http://www.xbmchub.com/forums/forums/164-AMAZON-FIRE-TV

If you don't know what Fire TV is check here--->
http://www.androidcentral.com/amazon-fire-tv-review

The only negative is that the value of my ATV2 will drop tremendously..(still going for $220~ via eBay as of today so I might dump it quick)..
 
all I wanna know if can I get rid of my expense of directv? Am dude I have n_f_l network?
 
i got xbmc set up on all my devices...with my FIOS connection it was great...HD and everything...used it for watching wrestlemania 30...great decision
 
Does the youtube app on firetv support playlists? If so, will it play both public and private playlists?
 
fonzerrillii said:
G-box Midnight MX2 is all you need. I use mashup to get live tv. You get HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, NFL network, Espn, and Nba network all for free. You can even watch live boxing pay per views in HD. All you need is broadband.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CH643A8/?tag=vp314-20
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I've been rocking xbmc for about 2 years now replacing my MS MCE setups. If you get openelec, it'll run on just about anything. I have three asrock 330hts, 3 custom htpcs, and a another ion based Pc. You can also setup full live TV with pvr and commercial skipping.
 
fonzerrillii said:
G-box Midnight MX2 is all you need. I use mashup to get live tv. You get HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, NFL network, Espn, and Nba network all for free. You can even watch live boxing pay per views in HD. All you need is broadband.





http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CH643A8/?tag=vp314-20
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Looks good! Honestly I'll stick with the amazon fire for now but this seems like a great option if I happen to dislike the fire TV and refund it. I've also seen many people falling in love with the WD Live TV which can be had for about $50 used.

I cut the cord back in December so I'm tying to find something decent that can run circles around my ATV2 and closed Xbox and with it's quad core processor hopefully the Fire delivers.

For the guy asking about the app... I'm almost positive that you can't simply install XBMC via the App Store. It requires a little more work but I'm sure someone here can correct me and if not just follow the link posted.


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fonzerrillii said:
G-box Midnight MX2 is all you need. I use mashup to get live tv. You get HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, NFL network, Espn, and Nba network all for free. You can even watch live boxing pay per views in HD. All you need is broadband.





http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CH643A8/?tag=vp314-20
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Looks good! Honestly I'll stick with the amazon fire for now but this seems like a great option if I happen to dislike the fire TV and refund it. I've also seen many people falling in love with the WD Live TV which can be had for about $50 used.

I cut the cord back in December so I'm tying to find something decent that can run circles around my ATV2 and closed Xbox and with it's quad core processor hopefully the Fire delivers.

For the guy asking about the app... I'm almost positive that you can't simply install XBMC via the App Store. It requires a little more work but I'm sure someone here can correct me and if not just follow the link posted.


Sent from my iPhone 2 using Tapatalk
 
Can I get XBMC/LIVE TV on my WDTV LIVE HUB? CHROMECAST? MICROSOFT SURFACE? Thoses are the the devices I have.
 
I want to get into this XBMC game. Ive been hearing alot about it. Is it a potential Core Cutters Holy Grail?

I just got put on to PLEX the other day still trying to figure that out so can someone please tell me why I should stop focusing on PLEX and start fucking with XBMC? (I heard Live TV that's what got my attention so far)
 
sturmars said:
I want to get into this XBMC game. Ive been hearing alot about it. Is it a potential Core Cutters Holy Grail?

I just got put on to PLEX the other day still trying to figure that out so can someone please tell me why I should stop focusing on PLEX and start fucking with XBMC? (I heard Live TV that's what got my attention so far)
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XMBC is an Open Source media player designed for a TV

Plex's Media Player is based on XMBC, but Plex adds the server half that XMBC doesnt have which adds a ton of features like on the fly transcoding, shared media database, user accounts, sharing, media management and support for dozens of more devices than XBMC does.

There is an XBMC plugin to let it access a Plex server.
 
MurderCity said:
XMBC is an Open Source media player designed for a TV

Plex's Media Player is based on XMBC, but Plex adds the server half that XMBC doesnt have which adds a ton of features like on the fly transcoding, shared media database, user accounts, sharing, media management and support for dozens of more devices than XBMC does.

There is an XBMC plugin to let it access a Plex server.
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Sooooo I can stream movies with xbmc with needing my laptop or tab? is THAT the difference between it and Plex?

can i put xbmc on my WDTV Live Hub? om starting to get over crowded with devices. so if I can avoid buying a new device just to use XBMC that would be great
 
sturmars said:
Sooooo I can stream movies with xbmc with needing my laptop or tab? is THAT the difference between it and Plex?

can i put xbmc on my WDTV Live Hub? om starting to get over crowded with devices. so if I can avoid buying a new device just to use XBMC that would be great
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I don't think you can put XBMC on a WDTV box. Last I checked the forums, they were saying that it's not possible.
 
sturmars said:
Sooooo I can stream movies with xbmc with needing my laptop or tab? is THAT the difference between it and Plex?

can i put xbmc on my WDTV Live Hub? om starting to get over crowded with devices. so if I can avoid buying a new device just to use XBMC that would be great
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XBMC itself isn't great for streaming your personal movies collection to other devices. Plex Media Server is better for that.

XBMC can play local media on that device or your home network...like your WDTV Live Hub, and also plays them from online TV channels. It also has the ability to download metadata like covers, movie/tv descriptions, actors, directors, etc...

Where XBMC fails...
1. It is available for many devices, but will that device play that format of your media? You will have to convert your media for the device you want to it to play on it.
2. If you play a movie it shows it as watched on that device, but if you have multiple devices running XBMC they wont show the same thing, because they don't share databases.
3. Same as 2, but for the "start where you left off" feature. Start a movie on one device, stop it, then continue playback on another device where you left off.
4. Same as 2, but for metadata, if it grabs the wrong cover for a movie, you have to correct it on each device. For example Robocop, if it grabs the metadata for the 80's movies instead of the info for the 2013 movie. You can fix it relatively easy, but you have to do it on each device.
5. You can overcome 2-4 by setting up a centralized XBMC database with a MySQL server, but honestly, that solution sucks. Here is the process though...
http://lifehacker.com/5634515/how-t...c-media-center-across-every-room-in-the-house

Plex overcomes all that. Plex took XBMC and split it into two applications.
1. Plex Media Center - This is just the media player portion, only plays your media.
2. Plex Media Server - This handles all the media management and trans coding.

What Plex does...
1. Trans coding changes the format of your media on the fly to a format best played by the device the Plex Media Player is installed on. No more converting your movies before hand.
2. The Media Management is all centralized to a single server. Plex has an awesome web based Media Management that lets you correct or customize your media metadata. If you start a movie on one device, stop it, with Plex you can start it up where you left off on another device. Can also stream your media via the webpage too.
3. Has the Plex Media Player available for a larger amount of platforms like Chromecast, Roku, Samsung and LG TV's. Plex and XBMC are available for Windows, Linux, Mac, Android, and iOS.
4. Stream your personal Media at home to anywhere. You can have your Plex Media Server at home trans code your personal movies and stream them to your phone anywhere.
5. Share your media. My mom, brother, sister, Libs dad and brother all have access to my Plex Media Server. They use there tablets or Chromecasts to stream movies and TV shows from my Plex Server.
6. Plex Media Server available for not just Windows, Linux, and Apple, but for many NAS's like Synology, QNAP, and Asustor.

Where Plex Fails...
1. The online channels work better on XBMC. On Plex the Server receives the channel and sends it to your device. They lag or fails during playback a lot. Also not as many channels as you have to get them from an official channel store, although you can add a secondary channel store.
2. Plex Media Server should be a PC IMO, most NAS's don't have the power to trans code HD media, they have some now that say they do, but not nearly as well as a Windows PC. The more devices playing at once the more powerful the Plex Server needs to be. I can transcode and stream up to 6 movies/tv shows at one time with no issue. My Plex Server is Dell PC with a Quad-core CPU w/HT, 8Gb of RAM, nVidia Quadro NVS graphics card, and an Intel SSD Drive. Not really Plex's fault that those devices just don't have the power...

You can compromise. You can setup a Plex Server, then get PleXMBC which will let you use XBMC with a Plex server so you can centralize the trans coding and media management, but then use XBMC as the player and for channels.

I use a Roku at home which has Plex Media Player.
 
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MurderCity said:
XBMC itself isn't great for streaming your personal movies collection to other devices. Plex Media Server is better for that.

XBMC can play local media on that device or your home network...like your WDTV Live Hub, and also plays them from online TV channels. It also has the ability to download metadata like covers, movie/tv descriptions, actors, directors, etc...

Where XBMC fails...
1. It is available for many devices, but will that device play that format of your media? You will have to convert your media for the device you want to it to play on it.
2. If you play a movie it shows it as watched on that device, but if you have multiple devices running XBMC they wont show the same thing, because they don't share databases.
3. Same as 2, but for the "start where you left off" feature. Start a movie on one device, stop it, then continue playback on another device where you left off.
4. Same as 2, but for metadata, if it grabs the wrong cover for a movie, you have to correct it on each device. For example Robocop, if it grabs the metadata for the 80's movies instead of the info for the 2013 movie. You can fix it relatively easy, but you have to do it on each device.
5. You can overcome 2-4 by setting up a centralized XBMC database with a MySQL server, but honestly, that solution sucks. Here is the process though...
http://lifehacker.com/5634515/how-t...c-media-center-across-every-room-in-the-house
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1. Not True at all, XBMC has more codec support than VLC without the need to transcode anything. XBMC would work on something as small as ouya or RP setup.
2. Don't know where you getting your info. You can sync, your movie data, tv show data, music data, pretty much anything that has access to your sql database. Which means you could start watching a tv show. movie, etc on one tv, pause it, and resume it any where in the house.
3. See number 2.
4. See number 2.
5. The process is very simple and it is not the only solution. It is just a simple xml file, the other solution is to share your libraries via the built in unp protocols.

Another thing to consider, you could setup a tuner farm and completely cut the cable with live tv as xbmc has multiple backend support. I currently used mediaportal but it is at least 10 more unique pvr backend solution, which would allow you to record tv, pause live tv, or watch your recorded content with skipped commercials.

Another cool thing is the "cinema experience" addon. This addon will let you add intro movies, triva games, and watch the latestg trailers before a movie. In my hometheater that shit goes hard.

I have used everything from MCE, Sagetv, Mediaportal, WDlive, and Plex and XBMC especially the latest gotham build cannot be fucked with.
 
Quek9 said:
1. Not True at all, XBMC has more codec support than VLC without the need to transcode anything. XBMC would work on something as small as ouya or RP setup.
2. Don't know where you getting your info. You can sync, your movie data, tv show data, music data, pretty much anything that has access to your sql database. Which means you could start watching a tv show. movie, etc on one tv, pause it, and resume it any where in the house.
3. See number 2.
4. See number 2.
5. The process is very simple and it is not the only solution. It is just a simple xml file, the other solution is to share your libraries via the built in unp protocols.

Another thing to consider, you could setup a tuner farm and completely cut the cable with live tv as xbmc has multiple backend support. I currently used mediaportal but it is at least 10 more unique pvr backend solution, which would allow you to record tv, pause live tv, or watch your recorded content with skipped commercials.

Another cool thing is the "cinema experience" addon. This addon will let you add intro movies, triva games, and watch the latestg trailers before a movie. In my hometheater that shit goes hard.

I have used everything from MCE, Sagetv, Mediaportal, WDlive, and Plex and XBMC especially the latest gotham build cannot be fucked with.
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speakup..brah sounds interesting
 
So which would be better??
G box or fire tv??
One is dual core the other is quad..
Does that matter at all with streaming?
 
Quek9 said:
1. Not True at all, XBMC has more codec support than VLC without the need to transcode anything. XBMC would work on something as small as ouya or RP setup.
2. Don't know where you getting your info. You can sync, your movie data, tv show data, music data, pretty much anything that has access to your sql database. Which means you could start watching a tv show. movie, etc on one tv, pause it, and resume it any where in the house.
3. See number 2.
4. See number 2.
5. The process is very simple and it is not the only solution. It is just a simple xml file, the other solution is to share your libraries via the built in unp protocols.

Another thing to consider, you could setup a tuner farm and completely cut the cable with live tv as xbmc has multiple backend support. I currently used mediaportal but it is at least 10 more unique pvr backend solution, which would allow you to record tv, pause live tv, or watch your recorded content with skipped commercials.

Another cool thing is the "cinema experience" addon. This addon will let you add intro movies, triva games, and watch the latestg trailers before a movie. In my hometheater that shit goes hard.

I have used everything from MCE, Sagetv, Mediaportal, WDlive, and Plex and XBMC especially the latest gotham build cannot be fucked with.
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Dude if you were a sales man I would buy whatever you're selling.

Would you be so kind to show us to get a setup going the way you have it?? Much appreciated. You can use YOUTUBE videos or any method you can best tell people like myself how to setup it up. You using FireTv or GBox?
 
sturmars said:
Dude if you were a sales man I would buy whatever you're selling.

Would you be so kind to show us to get a setup going the way you have it?? Much appreciated. You can use YOUTUBE videos or any method you can best tell people like myself how to setup it up. You using FireTv or GBox?
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this
FUCKYOU said:
I have playon on my Roku.. Why should I care about this?
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and this!!! someone help me out cuz TWC just went up again on the cable!!!
 
<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="//www.youtube.com/v/rHL42krl7IA?version=3&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="//www.youtube.com/v/rHL42krl7IA?version=3&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
 
Enigma said:
The only negative is that the value of my ATV2 will drop tremendously..(still going for $220~ via eBay as of today so I might dump it quick)..
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from the youtube video with the xbmc loaded, its not as stable as the apple tv 2. hell I got 2 of them. I love my apple tv 2. fuck cable and dish
 
I know there are questions on which device to get. Hopefully I can add to some clarity.

The Fire Tv is another streaming device. I think most of you are overlooking the term "streaming". And confusing streaming apps and media servers.

Plex is a media server. If you have a lot of content it is a powerful program to have.
XBMC is not a streaming app but more like a hub for streaming apps as well as a media server.
Roku, Apple TV, WD Live, and Fire TV are streaming devices that can have XBMC (with the exception of WD Live) and Plex loaded on to them.
The G-Box is a Android streaming device that can have xbmc easily installed on it.
HTPC is a personal computer connected to your tv that is loaded with all of your media and XBMC, Plex, Playon, games, etc.

If you are a "streamer" either device is good but some may have limitations (ex: can't download movies directly to device, some apps like youtube don't run on certain devices, some devices only play up to 720p).

If you are a "downloader" any device that can have a hard drive attached coupled with Plex would be a good choice. Be advised that HD movies can take up a lot of HD space.

My personal opinion is that if you have a powerful enough computer give xbmc a try first. I hooked a good friend of mine up with xbmc on his brand new laptop and he had it hooked up to his living room tv 75% of the time. He is now about to buy the GBox. I think the Gbox mx2 is the way to go. Yes other devices may be more powerful but the Gbox has seamless integration of xbmc.

A few tips I will add:
If you can, have the device hardwired into your router instead of wirelessly.
Get rid of the cable company issued modem. Use your own modem.
Use a VPN.
 
Quek9 said:
1. Not True at all, XBMC has more codec support than VLC without the need to transcode anything.

I said it was a media player like VLC, I wasn't comparing features or codec support with VLC. As compared to Plex which has a separate Server to go with the Media Player.

As for formats, lets look at XBMC on Android
http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?titl...d_audio_formats_XBMC_for_Android_can_playback

OK, it support everything the desktop version BUT..
Due to the weak processing power of most ARM processors, for smooth playback most Android hardware will require proper hardware decoding. (See #Requirements below)
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The requirements then links you to this page
http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Android_hardware

Notice how the formats supports varies from CPU to CPU, so a video on XBMC on one Android device may not play the same videos as XBMC on another Android device.

Plex can transcode the video to the format the device likes best so it is guaranteed it will play properly.


XBMC would work on something as small as ouya or RP setup.
2. Don't know where you getting your info. You can sync, your movie data, tv show data, music data, pretty much anything that has access to your sql database. Which means you could start watching a tv show. movie, etc on one tv, pause it, and resume it any where in the house.
3. See number 2.
4. See number 2.
5. The process is very simple and it is not the only solution. It is just a simple xml file, the other solution is to share your libraries via the built in unp protocols.

I meant it didn't support shared metadata/databases natively, aka you install it and it just works. You have to do a bunch of extra setup, which I even linked to the lifehacker article showing how to do that...maybe if you actually read everything I wrote you would have seen that.

Also as you pointed out, that only works in your house, with Plex, that works natively everywhere in the world, not just at home with a bunch of extra needless configuration. :smh:

I have Plex on my phone, I can be anywhere in the world, open Plex and see the exact same info as my Plex players at home. I can also transcode that video on the fly and stream it to my phone. Anywhere.

Another thing to consider, you could setup a tuner farm and completely cut the cable with live tv as xbmc has multiple backend support. I currently used mediaportal but it is at least 10 more unique pvr backend solution, which would allow you to record tv, pause live tv, or watch your recorded content with skipped commercials.

Another cool thing is the "cinema experience" addon. This addon will let you add intro movies, triva games, and watch the latestg trailers before a movie. In my hometheater that shit goes hard.

I have used everything from MCE, Sagetv, Mediaportal, WDlive, and Plex and XBMC especially the latest gotham build cannot be fucked with.

You can still use XBMC as the front end media player for added features like you are mentioning and use Plex Media Server as the back end to transcode and manage metdata. I wrote about how that is the ideal solution in my post that you didnt fully read yet replied to. :hmm:
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