Eminem Crowned 'King of Hip-Hop' by Rolling Stone

[FJP]

just to piss you off:

Exactly how are you pissing me off? Did I say Eminem never made appearances on Rawkus? I said he came up on Interscope. The Marshall Mathers LP and everything else was dropped on Interscope so stop it. You act like his first single was anything like the shit he dropped on Rawkus, in fact nothing he put out was, it was all shit like "My Name is"...You didn't prove anything at all.

 

[sirwoodz]

Damn, it's sad when people go above and beyond their way to force people to agree with them. Goes beyond being a Stan.

It is what it is I guess.

translated: damn, I have no logical or rational response to what he is saying...i'd better release my frustration onto the board though, so i can carry on with my day...

 

[sirwoodz]

Exactly how are you pissing me off? Did I say Eminem never made appearances on Rawkus? I said he came up on Interscope. The Marshall Mathers LP and everything else was dropped on Interscope so stop it. You act like his first single was anything like the shit he dropped on Rawkus, in fact nothing he put out was, it was all shit like "My Name is"...You didn't prove anything at all.

- bruh, he appeared on this album right at the time he got his first record deal. he wasn't even close to being a household name at the time this dropped.

if this were kanye who were on an album with mos def, common, kweli, j live, prince paul before he got his first record deal (they were recording this album and his first album @ the same time) you dudes would use this in every debate about Kanye's credibility as an artist or emcee.

 

[FamoBenton]

got damn nigga you gonna complain about him too?!?

he is 23 years old, put it down on the underground for YEARS before he got signed, he doesn't rap about crack, murder, rape and makes music that everybody can enjoy...

now, muthafucka you asked me a question and i posted, AND HE SAYS HE WAS INFLUENCED BY EMINEM (among others)

No, 'nigga' I'm not complaining about B.O.B. I think he's an incredible talent.

But Jay-Z gave you Lil Wayne, T.I. Jeezy, Kanye, etc. And those guys ended up influencing people THEMSELVES!

Eminem's influence is a hair on Jay-Z's influence's arm. You can't compare.

A king is not just someone who's had the most bullshit commercial success. A king is someone people look UP TO! The fact that eminem has sold a hundred million albums, had all those youtube views (wtf?), and made all that money in concerts makes the fact that you can only name B.O.B. even worse!

I've been the biggest eminem fan for 11 damn years. When people shitted on 'Recovery', I defended him, but COME ON...

 

[safado]

Sales (Domestic)
Jay-Z: $31.3 million
Eminem: $48.47 million
Edge: A big win for Eminem, and one of the best arguments in his favor right off the bat. Based on numbers and numbers alone, he is No. 1.

Singles
Jay-Z: 42 "Hot 100" singles; 17 in the top 20; 1 No. 1
Eminem: 33 "Hot 100" singles; 16 in the top 20; 4 No. 1s
Edge: Too close to call, although if anything this speaks to Em’s track record. Before seeing the actual numbers, wouldn’t you have been certain the pop-friendlier Hova would have more No. 1s?

Awards
Jay-Z: 10 Grammys; 6 VMAs
Eminem: 11 Grammys; 11 VMAs; 1 Oscar (Best Original Song, “Lose Yourself”).
Edge: Nobody remembers the winners of VMAs seconds after they are announced, and they’re pretty much even with Grammys. That Oscar, though, gives him the go-ahead.

 

[sirwoodz]

No, 'nigga' I'm not complaining about B.O.B. I think he's an incredible talent.

- okay so in other words I answered your question.

 

[safado]

Live Performance
Jay-Z tours constantly, and has evolved into arguably one of the best live acts on the planet. Eminem has simply not been as present on the live circuit, and is not a valid contender in this category.
Edge: Jay-ZMoney
Perennially the top dog on Forbes biggest hip-hop earners, Jay racked in $63 million last year. Despite the tremendous sales numbers of his comeback album Relapse, Eminem made a relatively piddling $8 million last year, good for the No. 14 spot on Forbes list.
Edge: Jay-Z

Business Empire
Jay’s business acumen is so well-documented, even your mother could probably list off a few of his more prominent assets and perhaps a few of his major transactions. For the record: founded Roc Nation, a record label and management company that operates under Live Nation; is a minority owner of the New Jersey Nets; co-founded Rocawear (and sold the rights to the company in 2006 for $204 million); co-owns the 40/40 nightclub chain; and is an investor in Carol’s Daughter, the Oprah-approved line of organic beauty products. Also co-founded his first label, Roc-a-Fella, which saw a string of successes, including releases from Dipset and Kanye, before collapsing after a fallout with Jay’s former partner Dame Dash (who is now attempting to resurrect the brand).

Eminem, on the other hand, seemingly has no interest in monetizing his fame in any way other than selling albums. He is co-founder and owner of Shady Records, which is distributed by Interscope, and also has a Sirius radio channel, Shade 45, which seems like more of a hobby than anything else.
Edge: Jay-Z

lil facts to aid the arguments..

 

[FamoBenton]

- okay so in other words I answered your question.

You did, but I also told you to be a critical thinker and COMPARE!

COMPARE Eminem's influence to Jay-Z (and even folks like Wayne and Kanye)and see who wins.

As far as I'm concerned in a discussion about 'WHO'S THE KING'...influence is the most important part. Commercial success and talent plays a part but Nelly was a talented brother with commercial success. Who cares. Ludacris was talented, had commercial success, AND longevity. Nobody would call him king.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

all battle rappers

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Live Performance
Jay-Z tours constantly, and has evolved into arguably one of the best live acts on the planet. Eminem has simply not been as present on the live circuit, and is not a valid contender in this category.
Edge: Jay-ZMoney
Perennially the top dog on Forbes biggest hip-hop earners, Jay racked in $63 million last year. Despite the tremendous sales numbers of his comeback album Relapse, Eminem made a relatively piddling $8 million last year, good for the No. 14 spot on Forbes list.
Edge: Jay-Z

Business Empire
Jay’s business acumen is so well-documented, even your mother could probably list off a few of his more prominent assets and perhaps a few of his major transactions. For the record: founded Roc Nation, a record label and management company that operates under Live Nation; is a minority owner of the New Jersey Nets; co-founded Rocawear (and sold the rights to the company in 2006 for $204 million); co-owns the 40/40 nightclub chain; and is an investor in Carol’s Daughter, the Oprah-approved line of organic beauty products. Also co-founded his first label, Roc-a-Fella, which saw a string of successes, including releases from Dipset and Kanye, before collapsing after a fallout with Jay’s former partner Dame Dash (who is now attempting to resurrect the brand).

Eminem, on the other hand, seemingly has no interest in monetizing his fame in any way other than selling albums. He is co-founder and owner of Shady Records, which is distributed by Interscope, and also has a Sirius radio channel, Shade 45, which seems like more of a hobby than anything else.
Edge: Jay-Z

lil facts to aid the arguments..

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[World B Free]

Sales (Domestic)
Jay-Z: $31.3 million
Eminem: $48.47 million
Edge: A big win for Eminem, and one of the best arguments in his favor right off the bat. Based on numbers and numbers alone, he is No. 1.

Singles
Jay-Z: 42 "Hot 100" singles; 17 in the top 20; 1 No. 1
Eminem: 33 "Hot 100" singles; 16 in the top 20; 4 No. 1s
Edge: Too close to call, although if anything this speaks to Em’s track record. Before seeing the actual numbers, wouldn’t you have been certain the pop-friendlier Hova would have more No. 1s?

Awards
Jay-Z: 10 Grammys; 6 VMAs
Eminem: 11 Grammys; 11 VMAs; 1 Oscar (Best Original Song, “Lose Yourself”).
Edge: Nobody remembers the winners of VMAs seconds after they are announced, and they’re pretty much even with Grammys. That Oscar, though, gives him the go-ahead.

THIS DOESN'T MEAN SHIT, THE FACT IS THIS...EMINEM is talented but he's no more talented than JAY Z, TUPAC, BIGGIE, RAKIM, LIL WAYNE, KANYE...& a bunch of other RAPPERS who never received their due.

The FACT IS....Eminem SELLs THIS MUCH because he is WHITE, POINT BLANK, PERIOD. If he were Black, he would be just considered a very TALENTED rapper BUT not ROLLING STONE'S KING OF HIP HOP.

It's always been a trick-bag, whenever white people copy Black folks, the white people's works are more than likely considered THE GREAT ONES, even though BLACK FOLKS invented a certain art form. (there are exceptions, SEE Jimi Hendrix)

REMEMBER THIS:

BLACK EXCELLENCE = WHITE MEDIOCRITY

see ROCK N' ROLL, which was once considered ****** MUSIC

see JAZZ

see GOSPEL

see SOUL/R & B

see THE CONTEMPORARY STYLE OF SINGING (i.e. AMERICAN IDOL)

 

[Les W]

now all he has to do is die so no one questions his legacy .... and it's official

Nas was right... hip hop is dead.... we the ones that needed to "smarten up" I guess

 

[sirwoodz]

You did, but I also told you to be a critical thinker and COMPARE!

COMPARE Eminem's influence to Jay-Z (and even folks like Wayne and Kanye)and see who wins.

As far as I'm concerned in a discussion about 'WHO'S THE KING'...influence is the most important part. Commercial success and talent plays a part but Nelly was a talented brother with commercial success. Who cares. Ludacris was talented, had commercial success, AND longevity. Nobody would call him king.

- eminem hit right AT the year 2000, the artists he "influenced" are just now getting out of their teens, or are in their very early 20's (B.O.B), you will see more of them believe me...

and i'm glad u brought up Nelly and Luda because their careers are falling off big time, both of them...Jay- and em are still going strong, this is why they are considered to be the GOAT's.

yall dudes keep wanting to make album sales prominent when i'm saying it's a part of the package, that you can't ignore.

and neither nelly or luda have a diamond album under their belt, nor does Jay-z.

 

[Les W]

- eminem hit right AT the year 2000, the artists he "influenced" are just now getting out of their teens, or are in their very early 20's (B.O.B), you will see more of them believe me...

and i'm glad u bring up Nelly and Luda because their careers are falling off big time, both of them...Jay- and em are still going strong, this is why they are considered to be the GOAT's.

yall dudes keep wanting to make album sales prominent when i'm saying it's a part of the package, that you can't ignore.

and neither nelly or luda have a diamond album under their belt, nor does Jay-z.

Take the cape off and calm down .. it's just Rolling Stone ... this is as relevant as The Source naming Coldplay the greatest band ever ... .... just reveals how lame RS is imo

 

[Rick Ronson]

Might as well

Hip Hop has been infiltrated and ruined by Jewish executives.

 

[FamoBenton]

Kanye came out in 2004 and his influence has already surpassed Eminem, who came out in early '99.

I'm pretty much finished with this discussion since brothers are gonna have their opinion anyway.

We all know Eminem's commercial success is driven off his race primarily, so the fact that Rolling Stone would use his commercial success to crown him as a king, repeating racist history in the process, is insulting to me personally. It's amazing there's black men who would defend this.

Peace to all the brothers in this thread, but I'm outta here...

 

[NEOAXIS]

there is no king of hip hop PERIOD
never has been
never will be
and rolling stone isn't qualified to speak on hip hop when it doesn't even cover ALL of hip hop
invalid
and worthless

c/s
lets be real if he wasnt white ..he probably wouldnt be on the list...but c'mon now...Rolling Stones: A White magazine!!!

 

[CeeloChamp]

not even close

if anything jayz should get that before eminem

 

[safado]

THIS DOESN'T MEAN SHIT, THE FACT IS THIS...EMINEM is talented but he's no more talented than JAY Z, TUPAC, BIGGIE, RAKIM, LIL WAYNE, KANYE...& a bunch of other RAPPERS who never received their due.

The FACT IS....Eminem SELLs THIS MUCH because he is WHITE, POINT BLANK, PERIOD. If he were Black, he would be just considered a very TALENTED rapper BUT not ROLLING STONE'S KING OF HIP HOP.

It's always been a trick-bag, whenever white people copy Black folks, the white people's works are more than likely considered THE GREAT ONES, even though BLACK FOLKS invented a certain art form. (there are exceptions, SEE Jimi Hendrix)

REMEMBER THIS:

BLACK EXCELLENCE = WHITE MEDIOCRITY

see ROCK N' ROLL, which was once considered ****** MUSIC

see JAZZ

see GOSPEL

see SOUL/R & B

see THE CONTEMPORARY STYLE OF SINGING (i.e. AMERICAN IDOL)

he is white yes
but his sales alone cannot solely be contributed to skin color.
its not his fault that as a general assumption white people purchase music, while others do not. i can honestly say i do not purchase music unless im supporting an artist i like (nas,neek the exotic,krs1 n buckshot album,etc) blame the hip hop community for not having a stronger voice....(buy black)

 

[Sampson]

Baby, {ooh baby}, look at my sales, let's do the math, if I was black, I would've sold half

Eminem- White America.

End thread.

 

[NEOAXIS]

The FACT IS....Eminem SELLs THIS MUCH because he is WHITE, POINT BLANK, PERIOD. If he were Black, he would be just considered a very TALENTED rapper BUT not ROLLING STONE'S KING OF HIP HOP.



this^

 

[Les W]

Kanye came out in 2004 and his influence has already surpassed Eminem, who came out in early '99.

I'm pretty much finished with this discussion since brothers are gonna have their opinion anyway.

We all know Eminem's commercial success is driven off his race primarily, so the fact that Rolling Stone would use his commercial success to crown him as a king, repeating racist history in the process, is insulting to me personally. It's amazing there's black men who would defend this.

Peace to all the brothers in this thread, but I'm outta here...

Amma say it AGAIN... having dark skin don't make a person "black"... period

not even close

if anything jayz should get that before eminem

It would be disrespectful to even give it to Jay.... But I agree with your point ...

 

[Les W]

he is white yes
but his sales alone cannot solely be contributed to skin color.
its not his fault that as a general assumption white people purchase music, while others do not. i can honestly say i do not purchase music unless im supporting an artist i like (nas,neek the exotic,krs1 n buckshot album,etc) blame the hip hop community for not having a stronger voice....(buy black)

He never said they were... please READ the post before you start caping ....

thanks

peace

 

[CeeloChamp]

No, 'nigga' I'm not complaining about B.O.B. I think he's an incredible talent.

But Jay-Z gave you Lil Wayne, T.I. Jeezy, Kanye, etc. And those guys ended up influencing people THEMSELVES!

Eminem's influence is a hair on Jay-Z's influence's arm. You can't compare.

A king is not just someone who's had the most bullshit commercial success. A king is someone people look UP TO! The fact that eminem has sold a hundred million albums, had all those youtube views (wtf?), and made all that money in concerts makes the fact that you can only name B.O.B. even worse!

I've been the biggest eminem fan for 11 damn years. When people shitted on 'Recovery', I defended him, but COME ON...

you know what? youre absolutely right

biggie jayz nas and raekwon

are resposible for the way people rap since 94 95 96 97

all these people like mase, camron, the lox, drag on, fab ect.

are all products of biggie nas jay raekwon

now biggie nas jay and rae are products of kool g rap, big daddy kane type of dudes

personally i'd say biggie and raekwon are the most resposible for this way of rap that people have been and still are using today

but biggie is dead and raekwon is safe to say aint the same

so i'd really give it to Jayz for the crown as king of hiphop

 

[shaddyvillethug]

you know what? youre absolutely right

biggie jayz nas and raekwon

are resposible for the way people rap since 94 95 96 97

all these people like mase, camron, the lox, drag on, fab ect.

are all products of biggie nas jay raekwon

now biggie nas jay and rae are products of kool g rap, big daddy kane type of dudes

personally i'd say biggie and raekwon are the most resposible for this way of rap that people have been and still are using today

but biggie is dead and raekwon is safe to say aint the same

so i'd really give it to Jayz for the crown as king of hiphop

false

killa wrote songs biggie been on.

A LOT of that shit rappers was rappin...came from Cam pen.

 

[CeeloChamp]

It would be disrespectful to even give it to Jay.... But I agree with your point ...

just curious who would u at least consider?

i cant argue with maybe nas or krsone

 

[shaddyvillethug]

who did raekwon influence??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


nigga touched no ki's

 

[World B Free]

he is white yes
but his sales alone cannot solely be contributed to skin color.
its not his fault that as a general assumption white people purchase music, while others do not. i can honestly say i do not purchase music unless im supporting an artist i like (nas,neek the exotic,krs1 n buckshot album,etc) blame the hip hop community for not having a stronger voice....(buy black)

Like I said, Eminem is very talented, HOWEVER his WHITENESS brings in THE WHITE AUDIENCE, YOU CANNOT DENY THAT....

You can try to rationalize it all day and talk about your own personal choices, however in a WIDER SENSE~~in a MACRO-WORLD, PEOPLE RESPOND TO SKIN COLOR, thus EMINEM'S HIGH ALBUM SALES are a result of that RESPONSE. EMINEM BECOMES A MASK or a CONDUIT for WHITE PEOPLE TO ACCEPT RAP MUSIC.

There is even an argument in the white community that BLONDIE, yeah~ rapture BLONDIE, created the FIRST RAP SONG. Blondie did not create the first rap song, however there is two-ness in the white community where MANY LOVE RAP, however they do not even LIKE or LOVE BLACK PEOPLE so they need a WHITE REPRESENTATIVE to LIKE/LOVE RAP & that REPRESENTATIVE IS EMINEM. It's not Eminem's fault that he's being looked upon as THE KING OF RAP, but he should DECLINE ROLLING STONE'S modern day ELVIS TITLE....

 

[Les W]

you know what? youre absolutely right

biggie jayz nas and raekwon

are resposible for the way people rap since 94 95 96 97

all these people like mase, camron, the lox, drag on, fab ect.

are all products of biggie nas jay raekwon

now biggie nas jay and rae are products of kool g rap, big daddy kane type of dudes

personally i'd say biggie and raekwon are the most resposible for this way of rap that people have been and still are using today

but biggie is dead and raekwon is safe to say aint the same

so i'd really give it to Jayz for the crown as king of hiphop

Jay-Z is Biggie and Jaz-O's mini Me...

dude can't wear the crown if we talking about influence... if you talking about the "most successful" master P/puffy factor... yeah he is the king of the rappin moguls ....and definitely one of the best acts of THIS generation... but when you start talking talent and influence he can only WATCH the Throne
*rimshot*

 

[safado]

when im in a beckys crib- her cd catalog is stacked with official cds.
when im in a sisters crib-her catalog is stacked with official rnb cds
i cant speak for white dudes, but i can pick a brother any brother and his crib is full of jamaica ave download copies...including myself.
so if hip hop is a reflection of us..black people..then we as a whole need to support black music...purchase official cds...go to concerts,live shows,etc. being like something is not being that thing.. yet music is an art..and art has no color...
perhaps em sells because a certain audience can relate to ems raps (pill use,abuse,etc)yet at the end of the day without any LYRICAL SKILLS he'd be another bubba sparx...
My favorite rappers i support,yet using sales as a measurement i still have to give Em credit where credit due.
dude sells..im not even a fan or a stan...its kinda like mike jordan back in the day even you hated or loved him but ya had to respect his game.
yet im reading and reading yet i havent seen any concrete evidence in which one can use to discredit em, a whole heap of personal opinions though. yet sales reflect personal opinions sooo?
excuses are like assholes we all have them and they all full of shit.

 

[Les W]

just curious who would u at least consider?

i cant argue with maybe nas or krsone

my bad this is based on the past 30 months... just enough time to make the carter III and graduation irrelevant ... colin got me ...lol ... king IMO is rule over them all not ... "who's hot" ... but w/e ... I guess eminem is in the conversation for best rappers since 2009

 

[World B Free]

my bad this is based on the past 30 months... just enough time to make the carter III and graduation irrelevant ... colin got me ...lol ... king IMO is rule over them all not ... "who's hot" ... but w/e ... I guess eminem is in the conversation for best rappers since 2009

when did ROLLING STONE turn into XXL or the SOURCE? ...they should stick to BOB DYLAN and GUNS N ROSES....

 

[safado]

Like I said, Eminem is very talented, HOWEVER his WHITENESS brings in THE WHITE AUDIENCE, YOU CANNOT DENY THAT....

You can try to rationalize it all day and talk about your own personal choices, however in a WIDER SENSE~~in a MACRO-WORLD, PEOPLE RESPOND TO SKIN COLOR, thus EMINEM'S HIGH ALBUM SALES are a result of that RESPONSE. EMINEM BECOMES A MASK or a CONDUIT for WHITE PEOPLE TO ACCEPT RAP MUSIC.

can not and will not deny.
unfortunately true again (imo) regarding responding to skin color
negro im 2 am black so i know how skin color is perceived.

it took me some time to give em his credit due, remove subjective and replace with objective.

good music sells. PERIOD. jay is black and doing pretty dam good. will i am is doing pretty good,kanye west, drake, lil wayne, michael jackson did pretty dam good, little richard ,james brown, etc etc.
yes given the option you are going to gravitate to what you relate most...
so the root of the problem who buys the most. so given that factor how can you not give em the title.
money is green and im taking from asian,white,black,crippled,purple,pink,aliens whom or whatever just put it in my pocket.

 

[World B Free]

can not and will not deny.
Unfortunately true again (imo) regarding responding to skin color
negro im 2 am black so i know how skin color is perceived.

It took me some time to give em his credit due, remove subjective and replace with objective.

Good music sells. Period. Jay is black and doing pretty dam good. Will i am is doing pretty good,kanye west, drake, lil wayne, michael jackson did pretty dam good, little richard ,james brown, etc etc.
Yes given the option you are going to gravitate to what you relate most...
So the root of the problem is not who one sells to...but who buys the most. So given that factor how can you not give em the title.

Again, the white audience brings in record sales can't deny it...EMINEM IS THEIR WHITE REPRESENTATIVE FOR RAP....

 

[CeeloChamp]

false

killa wrote songs biggie been on.

A LOT of that shit rappers was rappin...came from Cam pen.

i know cam wrote for lil kim and junior mafia

but cams whole style comes from dudes like biggie biggie was out like 5 years before cam maybe 6

i forgot to mention big l who is also responsible for a lot of styles

cam and mase and even jayz is influenced by big l

big l is a major contributor to modern flows

and if u wanna be fair

cam was eminem before eminem

as far as crazy off the wall topics with weird flows on confessions of fire

where he talks about fucinking his aunt and she burns him, and he talks about peeing in his grandfathers orange juice when he's pissed off

and he talks about him and his moms problems

shit like marylin manson trying to molest him crzy shit