Dumb and Dumber: Are Americans Hostile to Knowledge?

cognitive entropy.

not limited to americans.

further enhanced by laziness and unwillingness to question the nature of things (simple, complex, mundane).

people can ride in or drive in automobiles for their entire lives, but can't identify the major parts, let alone build one.

people microwave their food, but couldn't tell you how the machine works.

people may use one or the other daily, but couldn't tell you the difference between world wide web and the internet.

people have watched coach jackson for almost 20 years, and still couldn't spot the triple post offense to save their lives (let alone describe it).

pretentious assumptions of knowledge passed off as actual knowledge.
 
I've read the article and through most of the comments on this thread and they are mostly on point. Most people, hell damn near EVERYONE I've met in America is downright hostile to knowledge. By knowledge I mean anything that is not talked about in the popular media, i.e. BET, MTV ect. I am not even talking about deep shit, just making sense seems to be looked down on. I stopped talking several people because ALL they could discuss were celebrities AND MUSIC. That's it.
 
This thread touched a nerve for me. I deal with this everyday in my personal life. I really had no choice but to be raised an intellectual. My folks are brilliant people, if you were to come in my house when I was a kid you would think it was a library. The way some people were raised with religion I was raised with knowledge. Then I ventured into the real world...

Most of the folks I meet are dumb as dog shit, it depresses me every single day. Sometimes I feel like i'm stuck in a prison. Unless i'm at a college or somewhere stuffy like that it's hard for me to have a stimulating conversation with anybody because nobody wants to talk about anything beyond bullshit. It's not even that I wanna talk about intellectual pursuits it's just that people don't have knowledge about general things. If I'm talking to a female and I wanna reference something from another culture or some knowledge that should be general 7/10 times I get the "what is this nigga talking about look" and it's not cause i said something wild rather it's just cause they are dumbfucks. It's very frustrating to the point of anger. You would think it would be simple human nature to want to find out about the world around you yet so so many people could give a shit.
 
Well, some very good points have been stated here on the subject. IMO, it's about class and the level a person/family are at and their ability to learn and what and how they learn.

Someone stated "The premise is if you don't need to know it to make a dollar,be famous, or get pussy then why bother"? is true. Most people don't care if it doesn't elevate their level and see no point. However, don't we notice when people rich a certain level of comfort they start to seek knowledge?

People like Bill Cosby, Russel Simmons, Muhammad Ali, and plenty more achieved papers of knowledge after being at a certain celebrity status. The majority of people see this. People search for knowledge after being comfortable or after they have lived the excess life.

Thus, mk23666 said it best "I blame the culture of fame, and the idolization of beauty over brains".

The US schooling system is inferior to some other countries in the world, but get on a platform and shout this out and get called "anti-American". I mean look at government officials in interviews and their ignorant comments such as Sarah Palin and George Bush. So, in some ways the government is affected by the schooling system as well(compare those two to Obama's schooling history).

There is an abundance of education out there people can find to teach themselves, but there is also a problem with that. Canrab's comment "pretentious assumptions of knowledge passed off as actual knowledge" fits the problem that comes with unsupervised teaching. People don't tend to put in check the sources and the motivation of the sources who put out information. It goes back to people lacking the very important skill of critical thinking and filtering of information to decipher the real truth. Remember that "jail bird turned smart guy" Damon Wayans acted as on In Living Color? Sometimes knowledge can actually make someone more dumb:lol:
 
This thread touched a nerve for me. I deal with this everyday in my personal life. I really had no choice but to be raised an intellectual. My folks are brilliant people, if you were to come in my house when I was a kid you would think it was a library. The way some people were raised with religion I was raised with knowledge. Then I ventured into the real world...

Most of the folks I meet are dumb as dog shit, it depresses me every single day. Sometimes I feel like i'm stuck in a prison. Unless i'm at a college or somewhere stuffy like that it's hard for me to have a stimulating conversation with anybody because nobody wants to talk about anything beyond bullshit. It's not even that I wanna talk about intellectual pursuits it's just that people don't have knowledge about general things. If I'm talking to a female and I wanna reference something from another culture or some knowledge that should be general 7/10 times I get the "what is this nigga talking about look" and it's not cause i said something wild rather it's just cause they are dumbfucks. It's very frustrating to the point of anger. You would think it would be simple human nature to want to find out about the world around you yet so so many people could give a shit.



Welcome to my world.........


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cognitive entropy.

not limited to americans.

further enhanced by laziness and unwillingness to question the nature of things (simple, complex, mundane).

people can ride in or drive in automobiles for their entire lives, but can't identify the major parts, let alone build one.

people microwave their food, but couldn't tell you how the machine works.

people may use one or the other daily, but couldn't tell you the difference between world wide web and the internet.

people have watched coach jackson for almost 20 years, and still couldn't spot the triple post offense to save their lives (let alone describe it).

pretentious assumptions of knowledge passed off as actual knowledge.


lol...that was a good break down...there is a drive to make money or to become famous, even to go to school and get a degree for a "good job." Yet, the overall push to become intelligent is not fostered in the citizens of most countries, I do believe Japan is different. Most feel as long as they can use it, they don't need to know how to make it.
 
If you believe that Americans are dumb as horse shit, then why have you been giving me such grief, when I have been pointing out that all along? My argument is that

THERE IS SOME HOPE FOR AMERICANS, AND SURELY I AM NO AUTHORITY, ALTHOUGH I HAVE AT LEAST SOME FORMAL EDUCATION (MATH DEGREE)....BUT I DO AGREE WITH A PREVIOUS POSTER, IT IS THE RUSH FOR PEOPLE FINDING EASY ANSWERS WITHOUT COMMITTING THEMSELVES TO AN ENDEAVOUR OR JUST LIKE CHURCH FOLK, WHO ARE THE LAZIEST THINKING PEOPLE I KNOW, THEY SUPPOSEDLY GET BAPTIZED AND FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND SOMETHING (SOME UNKNOWN FORCES MAKE THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE SUPERNATURAL). HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TRULY UNDERSTAND THE SUPERNATURAL WHEN YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A CLUE HOW NATURE WORKS? PEOPLE BECOME STUDENTS OF THE BIBLE WITHOUT TRULY QUESTIONING ITS INTENT OR NATURE. TO ME, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THE WORLD IS FUCKED UP TODAY. MY POINT IS EVERYONE WANTS TO BE AUTHORITY AND CRITICS WITHOUT EXERCISING THE DISCIPLINE.........WHETHER ITS MUSIC, SPORTS, EDUCATION, POLITICS, ETC. HOPEFULLY PEOPLE IN AMERICA WILL DISCIPLINE THEMSELVES MORE TO BE MORE THAN JUST AUTHORITIES AND CRITICS BUT DOERS ALSO. DURING THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, CHARLES GIBSON MENTIONED THAT OUR INABILITY TO EDUCATE OURSELVES WAS GOING TO BE A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY IN 20 YEARS. HOPEFULLY IT WILL GET BETTER BUT IT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO GET MUCH MUCH WORSE...... ESP. IF THE ECONOMY ISNT USED TO MAKE AMERICAN EDUCATION BETTER, AND IF IT ISNT A PRIORITY IN MOST HOUSEHOLDS.


ONE OF THE WORST THINGS I HEAR THAT COMES OUT OF PEOPLES MOUTHS "HE SUCKS" "SHE SUCKS" "MICHAEL VICK SUCKS" "REX GROSSMAN SUCKS" "BEYONCE SUCKS" "JAYZ SUCKS" "PUSHUPS SUCK" Is that person able to critique analytically and exercise understanding as, someone said, the nature of things.
 
Dumb and Dumber: Are Americans Hostile to Knowledge?




A popular video on YouTube shows Kellie Pickler, the adorable platinum blonde from “American Idol,” appearing on the Fox game show “Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?” during celebrity week. Selected from a third-grade geography curriculum, the $25,000 question asked: “Budapest is the capital of what European country?”


Ms. Pickler threw up both hands and looked at the large blackboard perplexed. “I thought Europe was a country,” she said. Playing it safe, she chose to copy the answer offered by one of the genuine fifth graders: Hungary. “Hungry?” she said, eyes widening in disbelief. “That’s a country? I’ve heard of Turkey. But Hungry? I’ve never heard of it.”


Such, uh, lack of global awareness is the kind of thing that drives Susan Jacoby, author of “The Age of American Unreason,” up a wall. Ms. Jacoby is one of a number of writers with new books that bemoan the state of American culture.


Joining the circle of curmudgeons this season is Eric G. Wilson, whose “Against Happiness” warns that the “American obsession with happiness” could “well lead to a sudden extinction of the creative impulse, that could result in an extermination as horrible as those foreshadowed by global warming and environmental crisis and nuclear proliferation.”


Then there is Lee Siegel’s “Against the Machine: Being Human in the Age of the Electronic Mob,” which inveighs against the Internet for encouraging solipsism, debased discourse and arrant commercialization. Mr. Siegel, one might remember, was suspended by The New Republic for using a fake online persona in order to trash critics of his blog (“you couldn’t tie Siegel’s shoelaces”) and to praise himself (“brave, brilliant”).


Ms. Jacoby, whose book came out on Tuesday, doesn’t zero in on a particular technology or emotion, but rather on what she feels is a generalized hostility to knowledge.



She is well aware that some may tag her a crank. “I expect to get bashed,” said Ms. Jacoby, 62, either as an older person who upbraids the young for plummeting standards and values, or as a secularist whose defense of scientific rationalism is a way to disparage religion.


Ms. Jacoby, however, is quick to point out that her indictment is not limited by age or ideology. Yes, she knows that eggheads, nerds, bookworms, longhairs, pointy heads, highbrows and know-it-alls have been mocked and dismissed throughout American history. And liberal and conservative writers, from Richard Hofstadter to Allan Bloom, have regularly analyzed the phenomenon and offered advice.


T. J. Jackson Lears, a cultural historian who edits the quarterly review Raritan, said, “The tendency to this sort of lamentation is perennial in American history,” adding that in periods “when political problems seem intractable or somehow frozen, there is a turn toward cultural issues.”


But now, Ms. Jacoby said, something different is happening: anti-intellectualism (the attitude that “too much learning can be a dangerous thing”) and anti-rationalism (“the idea that there is no such things as evidence or fact, just opinion”) have fused in a particularly insidious way.


Not only are citizens ignorant about essential scientific, civic and cultural knowledge, she said, but they also don’t think it matters.


She pointed to a 2006 National Geographic poll that found nearly half of 18- to 24-year-olds don’t think it is necessary or important to know where countries in the news are located.



So more than three years into the Iraq war, only 23 percent of those with some college could locate Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Israel on a map.


Ms. Jacoby, dressed in a bright red turtleneck with lipstick to match, was sitting, appropriately, in that temple of knowledge, the New York Public Library’s majestic Beaux Arts building on Fifth Avenue. The author of seven other books, she was a fellow at the library when she first got the idea for this book back in 2001, on 9/11.


Walking home to her Upper East Side apartment, she said, overwhelmed and confused, she stopped at a bar. As she sipped her bloody mary, she quietly listened to two men, neatly dressed in suits. For a second she thought they were going to compare that day’s horrifying attack to the Japanese bombing in 1941 that blew America into World War II:
“This is just like Pearl Harbor,” one of the men said.
The other asked, “What is Pearl Harbor?”
“That was when the Vietnamese dropped bombs in a harbor, and it started the Vietnam War,” the first man replied.
At that moment, Ms. Jacoby said, “I decided to write this book.”


Ms. Jacoby doesn’t expect to revolutionize the nation’s educational system or cause millions of Americans to switch off “American Idol” and pick up Schopenhauer.



But she would like to start a conversation about why the United States seems particularly vulnerable to such a virulent strain of anti-intellectualism.



After all, “the empire of infotainment doesn’t stop at the American border,” she said, yet students in many other countries consistently outperform American students in science, math and reading on comparative tests.


In part, she lays the blame on a failing educational system. “Although people are going to school more and more years, there’s no evidence that they know more,” she said.


Ms. Jacoby also blames religious fundamentalism’s antipathy toward science, as she grieves over surveys that show that nearly two-thirds of Americans want creationism to be taught along with evolution.


Ms. Jacoby doesn’t leave liberals out of her analysis, mentioning the New Left’s attacks on universities in the 1960s, the decision to consign African-American and women’s studies to an “academic ghetto” instead of integrating them into the core curriculum, ponderous musings on rock music and pop culture courses on everything from sitcoms to fat that trivialize college-level learning.


Avoiding the liberal or conservative label in this particular argument, she prefers to call herself a “cultural conservationist.”


For all her scholarly interests, though, Ms. Jacoby said she recognized just how hard it is to tune out the 24/7 entertainment culture.



A few years ago she participated in the annual campaign to turn off the television for a week. “I was stunned at how difficult it was for me,” she said.


The surprise at her own dependency on electronic and visual media made her realize just how pervasive the culture of distraction is and how susceptible everyone is — even curmudgeons.





http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/books/14dumb.html?em&ex=1203224400&en=9813e31206335cfb&ei=5087

Good drop,
As a former fundraiser, educator and community coordinator the education system is definitely in need of help. I helped raise over 2 million dollars to help disadvantaged kids in Brooklyn. Out of my first group of 100 students ... only 36 made it into college. We were only required to track them that far. So I can't even tell you how many graduated.

Bottom line is that money was spent to enhance support systems. To make a long story short. The schools, the teachers, the administrative staff, the school board and the single parents working together isn't enough to fix the problems. Our education system has been in trouble for a long time. If we gave educators the same respect and admiration that we give athletes in this country our kids MIGHT have a chance of getting somewhere. MAYBE!
 
This thread touched a nerve for me. I deal with this everyday in my personal life. I really had no choice but to be raised an intellectual. My folks are brilliant people, if you were to come in my house when I was a kid you would think it was a library. The way some people were raised with religion I was raised with knowledge. Then I ventured into the real world...

Most of the folks I meet are dumb as dog shit, it depresses me every single day. Sometimes I feel like i'm stuck in a prison. Unless i'm at a college or somewhere stuffy like that it's hard for me to have a stimulating conversation with anybody because nobody wants to talk about anything beyond bullshit. It's not even that I wanna talk about intellectual pursuits it's just that people don't have knowledge about general things. If I'm talking to a female and I wanna reference something from another culture or some knowledge that should be general 7/10 times I get the "what is this nigga talking about look" and it's not cause i said something wild rather it's just cause they are dumbfucks. It's very frustrating to the point of anger. You would think it would be simple human nature to want to find out about the world around you yet so so many people could give a shit.

The types of conversations you are looking for are even decreasing at colleges ( I'm in college and was raised the same way as you. It gets depressing.).
 
Welcome to my world.........


:cool::cool::cool:

i've been in your world for a while. that's why i comment on so many of your posts. I know what's really up. Keep spreading the knowledge homie.


The types of conversations you are looking for are even decreasing at colleges ( I'm in college and was raised the same way as you. It gets depressing.).

I feel, when i was in school I noticed the same thing too. That's why I seeked out like-minded folk and only messed with the artsy intellectual chicks. That's all I could do
 
i've been in your world for a while. that's why i comment on so many of your posts. I know what's really up. Keep spreading the knowledge homie.




I feel, when i was in school I noticed the same thing too. That's why I seeked out like-minded folk and only messed with the artsy intellectual chicks. That's all I could do

Absolutely, as an artist myself, that sort of stimulation is a necessity.
 
If you believe that Americans are dumb as horse shit, then why have you been giving me such grief, when I have been pointing out that all along?

ONE OF THE WORST THINGS I HEAR THAT COMES OUT OF PEOPLES MOUTHS "HE SUCKS" "SHE SUCKS" "MICHAEL VICK SUCKS" "REX GROSSMAN SUCKS" "BEYONCE SUCKS" "JAYZ SUCKS" "PUSHUPS SUCK" Is that person able to critique analytically and exercise understanding as, someone said, the nature of things.


I hear you.

That is cute, he is cute, she is cute, your dog is cute, that dress is cute........... :smh:






I really think that the powers that be see Americans solely as consumers and cheap sources of labor via indebtness to the credit system.

Skilled labor has always been a commodity that was imported so the emphasis is not on educating the population.
Also governing an educated population is very difficult.

I just care about my people being on the consumer side of the equation for too long......

In the abundance of water, the fool is thirsty
-Rat Race by Bob Marley


:(
 
People who can make a buck are rewarded and looked up to
Everything posted on here was on point
Sad thing is we need money to survive, so we will always chase money and not knowledge...I have several friends who never cracked open a book in their lives and are rich by starting their own business and I know friends that have masters degrees who are struggling financially..hmmmm..
how many rich rappers are high school drop outs?
how many porn stars and strippers can't hold a decent conversation?
In todays world we don't need knowledge to get rich or to survive
Its not what you know its who you know


As soon as your are given a birth certificate you are a slave for the government
 
People who can make a buck are rewarded and looked up to
Everything posted on here was on point
Sad thing is we need money to survive, so we will always chase money and not knowledge...I have several friends who never cracked open a book in their lives and are rich by starting their own business and I know friends that have masters degrees who are struggling financially..hmmmm..
how many rich rappers are high school drop outs?
how many porn stars and strippers can't hold a decent conversation?
In todays world we don't need knowledge to get rich or to survive
Its not what you know its who you know


As soon as your are given a birth certificate you are a slave for the government

It would seem as though in order to be truly free, you pay the price of not being born rich. The rich are allowed their indulgences and frequent eccentricities, and yet we cry with them, we laugh with them, well...all but OJ and MJ...which is telling...but we give them license...our intellectuals and true artists are governed by hunger and cold...
 
People who can make a buck are rewarded and looked up to
Everything posted on here was on point
Sad thing is we need money to survive, so we will always chase money and not knowledge...I have several friends who never cracked open a book in their lives and are rich by starting their own business and I know friends that have masters degrees who are struggling financially..hmmmm..
how many rich rappers are high school drop outs?
how many porn stars and strippers can't hold a decent conversation?
In todays world we don't need knowledge to get rich or to survive
Its not what you know its who you know


As soon as your are given a birth certificate you are a slave for the government



All that is fine but based on Maslow's hierarchy of Needs, they themselves sometimes sucuumb to exploitation based on their unfulfilled self-actualization needs.

The only way to that top is through knowledge.......

They may not have cracked open a book but that doesn't mean they don't have knowledge.

Conversely the ones with Master's degrees may be clueless outside of his/her area of study.....



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All that is fine but based on Maslow's hierarchy of Needs, they themselves sometimes sucuumb to exploitation based on their unfulfilled self-actualization needs.

The only way to that top is through knowledge.......

They may not have cracked open a book but that doesn't mean they don't have knowledge.

Conversely the ones with Master's degrees may be clueless outside of his/her area of study.....



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The problem with any critique regarding american self-actualization is the standard by which we determine "lack of". Maslow made many concrete assessments, but if one is unable to be disciplined in the face of wanting to keep up with the jones', then they maybe curtailing their own self-actualization...
 
The problem with any critique regarding american self-actualization is the standard by which we determine "lack of". Maslow made many concrete assessments, but if one is unable to be disciplined in the face of wanting to keep up with the jones', then they maybe curtailing their own self-actualization...



I don't even see how "keeping up with the Joneses" relates to self-actualization.

If you notice, it sits above "experiencing purpose, meaning" etc..

Understanding that there is more to life enhances the quality of life that you live.

Americans have a high standard of living compared to other countries.

However they do have a lower quality of life compared to other countries.


Standard of living does NOT equal quality of living


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I don't even see how "keeping up with the Joneses" relates to self-actualization.

If you notice, it sits above "experiencing purpose, meaning" etc..

Understanding that there is more to life enhances the quality of life that you live.

Americans have a high standard of living compared to other countries.

However they do have a lower quality of life compared to other countries.


Standard of living does NOT equal quality of living


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Standard of living defines the economic level with which we live upon. Statistics are great for wrapping our heads around numbers, but in practical day to day situations, most people judge their success or lack of by the possessions they have, or, are able to have. That sentiment is often based on what we see others having. The drive for self development, which is the framework of Maslow's theory, is centered on the focus to self analysis, on an abstract level with considerations of concrete resources and talents based on experience, one of your key points. When we focus our attention on possessions, or the acquisition of such, which is ultimately the philosophy of consumerism, the fundamental mental pattern of the citizenship here in the states, we are unable, usually, to put our attentions on the development and growth of the self with regards to our life's purpose, let alone to put that into action, the ultimate definition of self actualization, which itself is really a road, not a destination...

What we find in the states, is that the artist, the criminal(which i define very loosely), and their children are able to make a financial bed or think without regard to it, thick enough to absorb the bad judgments that are often needed to "find one's way" in this world. That gives them a certain necessary "knowledge" to grow with...The citizens, for lack of a better term, are left to their cautions, reasonably, but find that "over-learning" will not allow them the small portion of middle class attainments they feel defines "success". This is the basis for my argument in respect to your mentioning Maslow's theory.

As a side note, you may also reference the teachings of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, (I always love to throw in the the teachings you know), namely, the lesson entitled, "The Twelve Jewels of Islam"....

As another side...I'm glad to see you are still holding it down around here...I think it sufficient to say fuck the haters at this point...:D
 
This thread touched a nerve for me. I deal with this everyday in my personal life. I really had no choice but to be raised an intellectual. My folks are brilliant people, if you were to come in my house when I was a kid you would think it was a library. The way some people were raised with religion I was raised with knowledge. Then I ventured into the real world...

Most of the folks I meet are dumb as dog shit, it depresses me every single day. Sometimes I feel like i'm stuck in a prison. Unless i'm at a college or somewhere stuffy like that it's hard for me to have a stimulating conversation with anybody because nobody wants to talk about anything beyond bullshit. It's not even that I wanna talk about intellectual pursuits it's just that people don't have knowledge about general things. If I'm talking to a female and I wanna reference something from another culture or some knowledge that should be general 7/10 times I get the "what is this nigga talking about look" and it's not cause i said something wild rather it's just cause they are dumbfucks. It's very frustrating to the point of anger. You would think it would be simple human nature to want to find out about the world around you yet so so many people could give a shit.

cosigns..ive been through the same thing myself
 
I think people don't learn because they think the things they experience is supposed to happen and they can't prevent them as well as being lazy mentally because thinking is work and is actually harder than physical work because you can't touch anything to come up with an answer, it's all mental and in a world that is physical, even with religious people, if they can't see it it isn't real which means why try to think about something and therefore they think if it hasn't been done yet it isn't real.

Basically people lack creative energy.

The reason I like to learn and be creative is so I can avoid as much problems as I can while still enjoying myself and also to manipulate my environment to give me an advantage because I'm aware that everyone isn't my friend and would want to see me fail so the knowledge is a form of protection. I don't learn just to say I know something.

I think kids grow up going to school learning things that they don't see how they can use in the real world and when they leave school see no reason in to continue to learn and use knowledge to their benefit in the real world. They have a dream of getting out their parents house have someone to fuck consistently(marriage), having their own house, kids, car, and getting old and that's it. They don't take into account how each of these things will affect their lives and will it make it better or worse or even how they will get them in detail.

It's until someone comes along that shows them their way of living is not that great that they THINK about making a change but even then the laziness keeps them stuck in their old ways. In fact there is a good chance they will hate you because you are the embodiment of everything right that they need to do and most people hate to be seen as being negative or wrong which means you are the enemy or to a lot of people the DEVIL.

I just see life as this, I'm tired of being depressed because the world is full of shit and hate those who want to grow because they are envious of them but when things get hard they want to get advise from these same people only to shit on them when they get back on their feet. Since they want to shit on me and I know this I just use it to my advantage and use them but because they are so ignorant they can't even see it coming. They think they are playing me when I'm just giving them a chance to feel comfortable and show their true intentions. I give them some knowledge just because that is part of my conversation but when I see they don't care what I mentioned I just get what I needed, move on and worry about me.

It sounds foul but I don't want to be that old man who is worn out, depressed, broke and complaining about how the world needs to change yet these foul people are just living their ignorant lives, look down on me because they have more physical things than me and I'm struggling spiritually, emotionally, and physically because I cared more about them then themselves.

I've been there and it wasn't nice.
 
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The same dumbass aversion to reading/learning is on this site as well. I mean look at when a semi long post is put up, most of the time someone will put up a CP gif/pic.
 
I think people don't learn because they think the things they experience is supposed to happen and they can't prevent them as well as being lazy mentally because thinking is work and is actually harder than physical work because you can't touch anything to come up with an answer, it's all mental and in a world that is physical, even with religious people, if they can't see it it isn't real which means why try to think about something and therefore they think if it hasn't been done yet it isn't real.

Basically people lack creative energy.

The reason I like to learn and be creative is so I can avoid as much problems as I can while still enjoying myself and also to manipulate my environment to give me an advantage because I'm aware that everyone isn't my friend and would want to see me fail so the knowledge is a form of protection. I don't learn just to say I know something.

I think kids grow up going to school learning things that they don't see how they can use in the real world and when they leave school see no reason in to continue to learn and use knowledge to their benefit in the real world. They have a dream of getting out their parents house have someone to fuck consistently(marriage), having their own house, kids, car, and getting old and that's it. They don't take into account how each of these things will affect their lives and will it make it better or worse or even how they will get them in detail.

It's until someone comes along that shows them their way of living is not that great that they THINK about making a change but even then the laziness keeps them stuck in their old ways. In fact there is a good chance they will hate you because you are the embodiment of everything right that they need to do and most people hate to be seen as being negative or wrong which means you are the enemy or to a lot of people the DEVIL.

I just see life as this, I'm tired of being depressed because the world is full of shit and hate those who want to grow because they are envious of them but when things get hard they want to get advise from these same people only to shit on them when they get back on their feet. Since they want to shit on me and I know this I just use it to my advantage and use them but because they are so ignorant they can't even see it coming. They think they are playing me when I'm just giving them a chance to feel comfortable and show their true intentions. I give them some knowledge just because that is part of my conversation but when I see they don't care what I mentioned I just get what I needed, move on and worry about me.

It sounds foul but I don't want to be that old man who is worn out, depressed, broke and complaining about how the world needs to change yet these foul people are just living their ignorant lives, look down on me because they have more physical things than me and I'm struggling spiritually, emotionally, and physically because I cared more about them then themselves.

I've been there and it wasn't nice.

Now this is what I call intellectual Gangsta.
 
^^:yes: It really should be.

I've really enjoyed reading the discussion here. Thanks Kayanation for bringing up this much needed topic.
 
I TRULY BELIEVE AMERICANS ARE HOSTILE TO KNOWLEDGE!!!!


I have periods throughout my week like a previous poster stated I have an :hmm: "are you serious look" :hmm: at someone. I work in an office with mostly women, mostly older than I. They come to me asking basic knowledge questions (at least I feel so), that I really get tired of answering, and THEN ridicule me(jokingly, but with some seriousness) because I can explain the delagate system, or the reason gas prices were so high, or anything worth a thought process.


The school systems ARE NOT the only problem. We live in a culture where you are more revered for your possessions than your intelligence. I always ask why websites/newspapers/news networks report on something like Britanny Spears for months on end, but refuse to do investigative reports on the shadiness of the govt. and let the masses decide........ Then I remember that they only give us what the majority ask for :hmm:
 
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