Does anyone know of a study about black businesses in non black communities vs non black businesses in black communities?

[geechiedan]

Didn't see this thread until today.....

I don't know that any study was ever done because:
1. Blacks are usually the subject
2. The topic is always to show us in a dysfunctional light i.e. assuage white guilt about enslaving the "savages"


Anyway, it is something I always think about too.

I attended zoning board meeting all over this country.

Zoning hearings deal with issues such as:
1. Home improvements
2. Business permits
3. Cell tower location
4. Neighborhood cleaning
5. General aesthetics of the community e.g. Walgreens in the hood looks different that Walgreens in the suburb


If you want to open a business in a white community you need to get your plans tabled, go to the zoning hearing, make you case and the zoning hearing baord votes to deny or approve it.

Some of the criteria include:
1. Is this going to provide a public good i.e. improve the neighborhood
2. Is it going to be a detriment to the neighborhood
3. Is it going to impact traffic patterns?
4. Is it going to attract unnecessary traffic that may impact safety?

etc.....

The burden of proof is so high that it is a barrier for small businesses and especially so for black small businesses.

I saw an Indian man put a "white face" to the application etc... and he got through.

The same way they hire blacks to market to other blacks, we need to start thinking about hiring whites to do our marketing to the white communities...........
e.g. open a pizza shop and hire italians!

the only problem with your proposal is they DON'T hire blacks to market to black in black neighborhoods in most cases..

how many blacks do you see working in an non-black entrepreneurial establishment?

Like an asian mom and pop store or a restaurant (steak shop) run by greeks or a clothing store run by indians..

ONE MAYBE..but usually its family run and family works it. And the business could be smack dab in the middle of a black neighborhood.

Meanwhile..blacks can't get licenses and permits to set up in an asian, white, latino, greek etc neighborhood and even if we did they WOULDN'T PATRONIZE THE PLACE.

They can set up shop in our communities and we WILL buy from them even if we HATE what they sell or how they sell it or how they treat us..

 

[DESHAUN MICHAELS]

Good post

 

[Genesiswiz]

True but Black people know how to run a business into the ground.

That's a statement I'll swear by. Ive seen it happen MULTIPLE time.

It's happening to my favorite pizza parlor/bar right now.

Was owned by some white folks from the middle east. Was the coolest spot to get a drink watch a game and here some VERY nice music while munching on hand made pizza and wings.

Then they sold it to a black couple...and it's been going down hill ever since.

Like WTF? you bought a successful business all you had to do was maintain the quality of service and food.

Sorry had to get that off my chest . Carry on.

So did George Bush, so it's back on your chest.

 

[RoomService]

Walgreens in the hood:

Walgreens in the suburbs:

Cell tower in the hood:

Cell tower in the suburb:

Bingo
like I said before black American don't control shit.

 

[Rawness]

Walgreens in the hood:

Walgreens in the suburbs:

Cell tower in the hood:

Cell tower in the suburb:

I'm genuinely confused....what point is trying to be made here?

 

[Philli]

I'm genuinely confused....what point is trying to be made here?

That's what I was trying to figure out as well. If the Wallgreens sign had a message about selling malt liquor or something then I could see what you were trying to convey.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

I'm genuinely confused....what point is trying to be made here?

Only he would know. I guess they aren't aware that the city has more people than the suburbs.

 

[SaKem]

For it to be successful...you won't know it's black owned.
"Black owned" is sort of a mixed blessing/curse. It tells black people "hey be a customer cause I'm black" but it causes images of inferiority because its saying "hey I'm black, be my customer" instead of saying "I'm the best service and price around, bare none."

In some industries it can work especially if its a primarily black product but for the service industry it can read failure from far away.

The primary reason is, once people know it's black owned (all races, even half of blacks) many or most will avoid it, because anything black is assumed to be inferior and the worst. This is for all situations including business. To be successful to a large degree, blacks need to hide their face/race from the general public and just focus on running the business. Generally whites will seek to oppress and boycott black businesses because they see blacks as competition and don't want you to succeed

 

[geechiedan]

Only he would know. I guess they aren't aware that the city has more people than the suburbs.

I think his point is that in the inner city the signage is more basic and standard while in the suburbs its more ornate and prettified.

The cell tower in the inner city looks like a cell tower cold and utilitarian. In the suburbs its disguised to look like a tree..natural, blends in.

the suburbs gets things that are pretty to the eye..the innercity gets things that are cold and standard.

 

[geechiedan]

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[DaAssWatcher]

the only problem with your proposal is they DON'T hire blacks to market to black in black neighborhoods in most cases..

how many blacks do you see working in an non-black entrepreneurial establishment?

Like an asian mom and pop store or a restaurant (steak shop) run by greeks or a clothing store run by indians..

ONE MAYBE..but usually its family run and family works it. And the business could be smack dab in the middle of a black neighborhood.

Meanwhile..blacks can't get licenses and permits to set up in an asian, white, latino, greek etc neighborhood and even if we did they WOULDN'T PATRONIZE THE PLACE.

They can set up shop in our communities and we WILL buy from them even if we HATE what they sell or how they sell it or how they treat us..

THIS.
A Black person can open a store in an asian,latino,arab neighborhood and as soon as one of them opens a similar store in that same neighborhood or even a few miles down tha road everyone avoids tha black business like tha plague.

And tha shit is they don't even have to tell each other to not go to tha Black spot and hit up their spot,they do it instinctively.Something us Black folks have a problem doing.

 

[geechiedan]

THIS.
A Black person can open a store in an asian,latino,arab neighborhood and as soon as one of them opens a similar store in that same neighborhood or even a few miles down tha road everyone avoids tha black business like tha plague.

And tha shit is they don't even have to tell each other to not go to tha Black spot and hit up their spot,they do it instinctively.Something us Black folks have a problem doing.

thats exactly the problem and issue I want to expand upon in this thread!!!!

 

[Race Harley]

Please give an example of a black-owned business in a non-black community then continue this conversation.

 

[Diomedes3000]

I don't think black folks put enough effort into opening stores in the hood. I honestly think the hood is probably the easiest place to start a business and you can get it going pretty cheap. I think there are basic stores that always thrive in the hood like corner stores and chicken spots etc. The problem is we black folk are to proud to open those and let other people do it. We could open those type of stores and gradually bring in more products with better options.
The key though is not trying to remake the wheel. We should always focus on what the people want even if we don't think it's healthy for them. To many black folks sit back and complain but don't get out there and try . I swear there is so much money in the hood but black folk act like its dirty and would rather try something in the suburbs with huge cost to get rolling.

 

[Diomedes3000]

Here is a link to the Harvest Institute founded by Dr Claude Anderson the brother who wrote Powernomics. He says this is the only Black funded think tank in America for the benefit of Black Folk. Unfortunately not enough of us donate money to it check it out
http://www.harvestinstitute.org/

 

[geechiedan]

Please give an example of a black-owned business in a non-black community then continue this conversation.

isn't that the point of the thread?

 

[cocobeauty]

Not sure if this counts, but my sister-in-law owns 2 daycare centers in an elite white neighborhood. She has maybe 10 blacks total between the two.

And she just found an area where shes about to open another one.

 

[humble]

I don't think black folks put enough effort into opening stores in the hood. I honestly think the hood is probably the easiest place to start a business and you can get it going pretty cheap. I think there are basic stores that always thrive in the hood like corner stores and chicken spots etc. The problem is we black folk are to proud to open those and let other people do it. We could open those type of stores and gradually bring in more products with better options.
The key though is not trying to remake the wheel. We should always focus on what the people want even if we don't think it's healthy for them. To many black folks sit back and complain but don't get out there and try . I swear there is so much money in the hood but black folk act like its dirty and would rather try something in the suburbs with huge cost to get rolling.

Great post brother!

However, regarding the permit issues, why are black neighborhoods being infiltrated by "others"? Is it because they have never owned the stores and businesses to begin with, or is it because the local gov't members don't allow African people to own land and stores in their own communities? Additionally, how is it possible to have local African politicians allow this to happen in our hoods? Are these politicians even African? What demo are these local politicians in African communities?

 

[geechiedan]

I don't think black folks put enough effort into opening stores in the hood. I honestly think the hood is probably the easiest place to start a business and you can get it going pretty cheap. I think there are basic stores that always thrive in the hood like corner stores and chicken spots etc. The problem is we black folk are to proud to open those and let other people do it. We could open those type of stores and gradually bring in more products with better options.
The key though is not trying to remake the wheel. We should always focus on what the people want even if we don't think it's healthy for them. To many black folks sit back and complain but don't get out there and try . I swear there is so much money in the hood but black folk act like its dirty and would rather try something in the suburbs with huge cost to get rolling.

the point of the thread is that we (all american citizens) should be able to set up shop wherever we want and are able to.

Do you think its fair or right that non blacks can set up shop in the black community but blacks can't do the same in anyone elses?

and why does the black community continue to support non black businesses meanwhile non black communities either don't or rarely do?

 

[geechiedan]

Not sure if this counts, but my sister-in-law owns 2 daycare centers in an elite white neighborhood. She has maybe 10 blacks total between the two.

And she just found an area where shes about to open another one.

truthfully (this is no insult) its not surprising since well to do whites are used to people of color taking care of their kids.

 

[DaAssWatcher]

Great post brother!

However, regarding the permit issues, why are black neighborhoods being infiltrated by "others"? Is it because they have never owned the stores and businesses to begin with, or is it because the local gov't members don't allow African people to own land and stores in their own communities? Additionally, how is it possible to have local African politicians allow this to happen in our hoods? Are these politicians even African? What demo are these local politicians in African communities?

Black politicans in tha inner city shit on their base and serve white folks with no problem.

 

[cocobeauty]

truthfully (this is no insult) its not surprising since well to do whites are used to people of color taking care of their kids.

I see your point

 

[RoomService]

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[Diomedes3000]

the point of the thread is that we (all american citizens) should be able to set up shop wherever we want and are able to.

Do you think its fair or right that non blacks can set up shop in the black community but blacks can't do the same in anyone elses?

and why does the black community continue to support non black businesses meanwhile non black communities either don't or rarely do?

You can set up shop in most places they make you jump through hoops because they don't want you there. Why should non blacks support black business ?? thats stupid. Black folk are in the wrong for giving all there money to white business thus draining the potential wealth of the community. We give away our future when we don't spend our money with blacks.
The reason why other groups won't patronize you when you set up shop in there area is because they know better(Malcolm X had a speech on it). Why give away there childrens future. Many a Chinese child gets a top notch education off black money spent in a Chinese restaurant in the worst black hood . Yet we cannot see how to make money there . Then we complain our schools are bad.

 

[cosmologics]

Read Amos Wilsons. blueprint fo black power

 

[Diomedes3000]

Read Amos Wilsons. blueprint fo black power

Already have the man was pure genius RIP . He really breaks down all of this stuff in simple terms. He has a ton of lecture videos on youtube based off the book.

 

[Cruise]

Is anybody from Detroit in this thread?

Reading these defeatist attitudes about black people makes me wonder how bad it is in the rest of the country.

Is it really that bad outside Detroit? What about Atlanta, Houston, New York, LA, San Francisco, Miami, and DC which are supposedly so superior and better to Detroit.

Surely Detroit has to be worse for black people than those places.

 

[Osca Lee]

I'm in the process of the actual study. It may take a while but from what I have experienced so far is this. The class of people you do business with and the ability for them to understand what they are paying for determines the success of a business regardless of race.

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[humble]

Black politicans in tha inner city shit on their base and serve white folks with no problem.

So the black politicians allow other ethnic groups in our communities and allow them to easily bypass the zoning and permit hearings? While in the white communities, the white politicians do everything in their power to keep their businesses white owned?

Shit, I guess we are our own worst enemies.

 

[KOOLKEV]

non black businesses in black communities?

What i mean is it seem to me that if you go thru a black neighborhood you will various non black owned or run entrepreneurial business (mom and pop stores, clothing stores, shoes store, restaurants etc) run by greeks, hispanics, asians, indians (dot) jews, what have you.

But ride thru THOSE neighborhoods (indian, asian, jewish, hispanic etc) and you almost never if EVER see a black owned or operated business.

I have never been in a all white neighborhood, walked into a store and saw nothing but black people running the place.

Does anyone know if they did a study on that?

immigrant-owned and run businesses in Black Neighborhoods.

 

[geechiedan]

I'm in the process of the actual study. It may take a while but from what I have experienced so far is this. The class of people you do business with and the ability for them to understand what they are paying for determines the success of a business regardless of race.

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But I'm not talking about specialty shops and mid to high level retail stores I'm talking about staple businesses like food stores, goods and services and restaurants that serve that neighborhood.

Again greeks, jews and other whites, indians (dot not feathers) asians (mostly koreans) all can own those types of businesses in black neighborhood yet you don't see blacks owning those types of businesses in non black neighborhoods.

Anyone can come into a black neighborhood and open a soul food restaurant and we'll not only patronize the place but compliment them on how good and authentic the food is.

Now let a black family open a greek restaurant in a greek neighborhood and sell those fuckers souvlaki and gyros..how long do you think that business would last?? seriously?

 

[Diomedes3000]

Is anybody from Detroit in this thread?

Reading these defeatist attitudes about black people makes me wonder how bad it is in the rest of the country.

Is it really that bad outside Detroit? What about Atlanta, Houston, New York, LA, San Francisco, Miami, and DC which are supposedly so superior and better to Detroit.

Surely Detroit has to be worse for black people than those places.

The cities you name are nice places to live but I don't know how many black owned businesses are in those places. Don't sleep on Detroit it is very ripe right now you can start stuff there for next to nothing. Politicians are begging for businesses to come there. The hoods in Detroit are a gold mine if you have things people need. Dollar stores that carry food etc you would make a killing in the hood.

 

[geechiedan]

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[geechiedan]

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[Mo-Better]

I've seen a few setup and they all failed. We don't support black businesses in our own neighborhoods. Do you really expect whites to support us?