Does a Non-Black spouse negate a Pro-Black message?

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

fucking a white woman and sympathizing and helping a white power structure are two completely different things I thought you were smarter than that

your argument is similar to people who claim that homosexuals are an abomination to society because their union can't produce children.

You've said what you had to say. I've said what i've had to say.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

You just did address me and I think you need to do your homework better if you think I'm a white sympathizer. I'm just logical and not emotional based. Reread my many posts against the police, racists, trump, etc. you just talking out your ass. I'm just smart enough to not hold person accountable for everyone. That's how a white racist thinks for black people. And your response I don't care doesn't negate the fact you're wrong. I gave you a scenario where it's complicated at the very least to say he can't be pro black and instead of acknowledging that, you followed your emotions and said it can't work. It is me who is done with you because I don't like wasting my time with childlike minds.

My response wasnt to you. It was to geech.

Now what you're saying? No. I don't believe that. At all. You can talk all day. But to me there's a difference. Logical and emotional none of that has anything to do with it. They can't make up for what their ancestors did. Ever. You're wrong. And the reason why you're wrong is because they'll always be white. They will always benefit from white supremacy. This will never be equal.

And they have in their structure an inability to see me as human being.

 

[Mello Mello]

Let me add this though.

One of the greatest gifts our ancestors bestowed on us is the freedom of choice.

For everything they endured to get us here today.

We have choices they didn't have.

Choices to date and marry who we like.

In that regard there is nothing wrong with who any of us choose to be with I suppose.

However, I have to question, why is it that those who are most vocal and prominent in the black progress movement are those who choose to marry out?

Why is it they are so concerned with black empowerment, black growth and black success?

To us it doesn't seem consistent.

It's like rich people trying to galvanize poor people about the struggle.

But your home doesn't look like the struggle so how can you relate your rich?

Despite it all, respect to those brothas and sistas who can continue to advocate for black people with unwavering support even if they spouse is non-black.

 

[POSTERBOY]

I don't take them seriously, but that's just me

 

[lazarus]

My response wasnt to you. It was to geech.

Now what you're saying? No. I don't believe that. At all. You can talk all day. But to me there's a difference. Logical and emotional none of that has anything to do with it. They can't make up for what their ancestors did. Ever. You're wrong. And the reason why you're wrong is because they'll always be white. They will always benefit from white supremacy. This will never be equal.

And they have in their structure an inability to see me as human being.

you are entitled to your opinion but white skin does not make your mind. It's social, economical, experiences, etc. If you raised a white girl in some black village for forty years, you really going to say she can't relate? Minds are more important than skin. Look at Ben Carson and other coons. Black skin don't make you for the cause. We get caught up in complexion way too much. Also, if your spouse was Native American, and just got her land taken away, and despise the white man, you are telling me she can't have empathy for your struggle? It may not be 100%, but I don't negate a man that is married to a woman that wants to have him progress. Rather have that than someone married to a Stacy Dash.

"Now question is every n*gga with dreads for the cause?
Is every n*gga with golds for the fall? Naw
So don't get caught in appearance
it's Outkast Aquemini another Black experience"

 

[4 Dimensional]

I eliminate any opinion they have about Black family and relationships. Because the Black man/woman is still black, there are aspects about them that still contributes to the cause and can hold value regardless of who they are with.

 

[three-fifths]

the so-called black man always wanna be all existential about race relations with the white man, when all of the fucked up shit is staring him right in the face .

 

[geechiedan]

No, like I said it didn't mean what he was saying wasn't true. We didn't reject the truth of any truth. If it was just about him then the whole BSU would've fallen apart after finding out who his wife was. However, it did change how we seen him and his message especially when he was critical of black people.

When you take a leadership position your setting an example. People believing in you is apart of that. Having a black wife isn't just for show. It's demonstration of growing and building future black families, building a black nation.

Truth telling isn't the only requirement needed for black progress. Just because you speak black empowerment doesn't mean your job is done.

The general dynamic in all societies is that the male leads the union and family. The woman marries into his family, takes his name and the children carry his lineage. In that regard a white woman marrying a black man is still regarded as a black family, Hell the racial politics of our society says the children of such a union is regarded as black. Society sees them as black. Any issues black people have with it are issues we WANT to have with it.

 

[^SpiderMan^]

Let me add this though.

One of the greatest gifts our ancestors bestowed on us is the freedom of choice.

For everything they endured to get us here today.

We have choices they didn't have.

Choices to date and marry who we like.

In that regard there is nothing wrong with who any of us choose to be with I suppose.

However, I have to question, why is it that those who are most vocal and prominent in the black progress movement are those who choose to marry out?

Why is it they are so concerned with black empowerment, black growth and black success?

To us it doesn't seem consistent.

It's like rich people trying to galvanize poor people about the struggle.

But your home doesn't look like the struggle so how can you relate your rich?

Despite it all, respect to those brothas and sistas who can continue to advocate for black people with unwavering support even if they spouse is non-black.

I've actually given this alot of thought. In my observations alot of activism is born from an intense need to be accepted and often a resentment at not getting the acceptance the dude desires.MANY activists are mixed. Actually by far the most militant activists I know are mixed Black/White. Many of them grew up around white folks and never really got the acceptance they desired.They always felt different. Often activism is a pathway for them to feel accepted and gives them a forum to express their resentment. I know this dude that is mixed Black/White and everyday on Facebook he is complaining about something or bringing race to the forefront of every situation and current event. Dude is married to a white woman. I don't think he has even dated a sista before.

 

[Mello Mello]

The general dynamic in all societies is that the male leads the union and family. The woman marries into his family, takes his name and the children carry his lineage. In that regard a white woman marrying a black man is still regarded as a black family, Hell the racial politics of our society says the children of such a union is regarded as black. Society sees them as black. Any issues black people have with it are issues we WANT to have with it.

Naw that's bullshit, society can't impose on black people what is black. Black people define what is black.

The racial politics of our society also says most everyone is trying to be something other than black.

Not to mention what we know is the tragic mulatto.

What lineage is really being carried on? Just his biological one?

Because I doubt that black identity is going with it.

We see how Ronda Rousey has reacted to the exposure of her Trinidadian roots.

Does she identify as black?

Marrying out or marrying white is subconsciously some black peoples way to better assimilate themselves into the dominate white culture.

I've actually given this alot of thought. In my observations alot of activism is born from an intense need to be accepted and often a resentment at not getting the acceptance the dude desires.MANY activists are mixed. Actually by far the most militant activists I know are mixed Black/White. Many of them grew up around white folks and never really got the acceptance they desired.They always felt different. Often activism is a pathway for them to feel accepted and gives them a forum to express their resentment. I know this dude that is mixed Black/White and everyday on Facebook he is complaining about something or bringing race to the forefront of every situation and current event. Dude is married to a white woman. I don't think he has even dated a sista before.

It's hard to explain I have my theories partial explained above and I like what you explain right here.

There is a need for acceptance. That's why I think it's a form of assimilation. They themselves can't assimilate fully but if they can achieve reproductive genetic success
then at least they can better insure the survival and acceptance of their children.

Maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's why some of the most prominent voices of black power are well known and marry white they are trying to gain acceptance.

 

[SKATTA]

cant take these kats seriously.

 

[geechiedan]

Naw that's bullshit, society can't impose on black people what is black. Black people define what is black.

The racial politics of our society also says most everyone is trying to be something other than black.

Not to mention what we know is the tragic mulatto.

What lineage is really being carried on? Just his biological one?

Because I doubt that black identity is going with it.

We see how Ronda Rousey has reacted to the exposure of her Trinidadian roots.

Does she identify as black?

Marrying out or marrying white is subconsciously some black peoples way to better assimilate themselves into the dominate white culture.

What are you talking about...society BEEN imposed what is black or do you think the one drop rule didn't happen

Both before and after the American Civil War, many people of mixed ancestry who "looked white" and were of mostly white ancestry were legally absorbed into the white majority. State laws established differing standards. For instance, 1822 Virginia law stated that to be defined as mulatto (that is, multi-racial), a person had to have at least one-quarter (equivalent to one grandparent) African ancestry.[quote 2] This was a looser definition than the state's 20th-century "one-drop rule" under the 1924 Racial Integrity Act. This defined a person as legally "colored" (black) for classification and legal purposes if the individual had any African ancestry. Social acceptance and identification were historically the key to classification.

Shit to a large extent in our society the legacy of stench of that is STILL largely in play and whoever said rousey was down with black people? Her caucasian enough features and complexion give her a pass.

Again if YOU have a problem with its because you WANT to have a problem with it. You even admitted as much with the story about the dude from your school.

 

[Mello Mello]

What are you talking about...society BEEN imposed what is black or do you think the one drop rule didn't happen

Both before and after the American Civil War, many people of mixed ancestry who "looked white" and were of mostly white ancestry were legally absorbed into the white majority. State laws established differing standards. For instance, 1822 Virginia law stated that to be defined as mulatto (that is, multi-racial), a person had to have at least one-quarter (equivalent to one grandparent) African ancestry.[quote 2] This was a looser definition than the state's 20th-century "one-drop rule" under the 1924 Racial Integrity Act. This defined a person as legally "colored" (black) for classification and legal purposes if the individual had any African ancestry. Social acceptance and identification were historically the key to classification.

Shit to a large extent in our society the legacy of stench of that is STILL largely in play and whoever said rousey was down with black people? Her caucasian enough features and complexion give her a pass.

Again if YOU have a problem with its because you WANT to have a problem with it. You even admitted as much with the story about the dude from your school.

I don't need a lecture on the one drop rule.

We aren't living in those days.

Black people now determine what is black, what it means to be black.

We define ourselves and reject the worthless values imposed upon us.

But by your definition and of the one drop rule Rousey should be black.

You can't be picking and choosing now when you wanna acknowledge one drop rule if you gonna accept the society imposed classification of what is black, it don't matter what Rousey say she is down with passing or not one drop says she is black.

Like I said Black people define who we are. If you have a problem with how black people define themselves the problem isn't black people it's those who try to impose one drop rules and tell black people who we should and shouldn't accept as black.

You want to let a cac rule define you go ahead but you can't tell black people how our families are suppose to look.

 

[geechiedan]

I don't need a lecture on the one drop rule.

We aren't living in those days.

Black people now determine what is black, what it means to be black.

We define ourselves and reject the worthless values imposed upon us.

But by your definition and of the one drop rule Rousey should be black.

You can't be picking and choosing now when you wanna acknowledge one drop rule if you gonna accept the society imposed classification of what is black, it don't matter what Rousey say she is down with passing or not one drop says she is black.

Like I said Black people define who we are. If you have a problem with how black people define themselves the problem isn't black people it's those who try to impose one drop rules and tell black people who we should and shouldn't accept as black.

You want to let a cac rule define you go ahead but you can't tell black people how our families are suppose to look.

if black people can determine what it means to be black then black individuals can determine who they want to build a life with and how they want to contribute to the black community.

 

[TooTrilla]

Beyoncé got white in her though.

All of us do.
But maybe all this leads to a deeper question though. Can a Black man even be as successful as those listed above with a Black wife? Do they fear a Black wife when they reach a certain level of success??

 

[Sampson]

cant take these kats seriously.

All that needs to be said. Don't try and lead if you can't lead by example.

 

[wadusay]

All of us do.
But maybe all this leads to a deeper question though. Can a Black man even be as successful as those listed above with a Black wife? Do they fear a Black wife when they reach a certain level of success??

Sure....black men can still be successful with a black wife.....here are a few examples:

 

[stretchwallz]

Love is a product of your personal values. What you subconsciously hold in high regard, find worthy or important will have a major affect on who you fall in love with.

Your actions always speak louder than words...so your personal decisions create +/- impact on your position(s)

Women in general love passion. In my observations, women are even more attracted to passion than actual success. A dude that is totally focused on and passionate about uplifting his people will be attractive to a large number of women whether they actually agree with his message or not.

Truth.com

 

[datboi]

What if the pro-black message is to turn the world brown?

 

[Mello Mello]

if black people can determine what it means to be black then black individuals can determine who they want to build a life with and how they want to contribute to the black community.

Yes that individual can. That is part of the freedom of choice our ancestors bestowed on us.

However, black community can determine what contributions they will and will not accept.

 

[geechiedan]

Yes that individual can. That is part of the freedom of choice our ancestors bestowed on us.

However, black community can determine what contributions they will and will not accept.

thus YOU CHOOSE to have a problem with something thats really not an issue just something YOUR PERSONAL tastes objects to...for YOUR reasons. Its the recipe for unnecessary infighting that benefits no one in the end

 

[Mello Mello]

thus YOU CHOOSE to have a problem with something thats really not an issue just something YOUR PERSONAL tastes objects to...for YOUR reasons. Its the recipe for unnecessary infighting that benefits no one in the end

I said the black COMMUNITY can choose. Not me.

Niggas always trying to justify why they cant/don't/won't choose a black woman. As if any other woman is an acceptable replacement for black.

 

[geechiedan]

I said the black COMMUNITY can choose. Not me.

Niggas always trying to justify why they cant/don't/won't choose a black woman. As if any other woman is an acceptable replacement for black.

the black COMMUNITY is make up of black INDIVIDUALS..

 

[Joe Money]

if black people can determine what it means to be black then black individuals can determine who they want to build a life with and how they want to contribute to the black community.

Exactly. And there are people who define black in the most negative, ignorant, low-class and backwards ways imaginable.

 

[jasonblacc]

Sure....black men can still be successful with a black wife.....here are a few examples:

Remove DR J, dude is kinda of scum.

 

[cceast22]

Very interesting question! Had this discussion with some peeps upon discovering Nate Parker "Birth of a Nation" is married to a white woman. The unrealistic visual that I have is Nat Turner has a white chick. I'm still pumped up about the film, but for a second I said "Damn!"

 

[geechiedan]

Remove DR J, dude is kinda of scum.

in what way??

 

[geechiedan]

Very interesting question! Had this discussion with some peeps upon discovering Nate Parker "Birth of a Nation" is married to a white woman. The unrealistic visual that I have is Nat Turner has a white chick. I'm still pumped up about the film, but for a second I said "Damn!"

so whats the problem??

 

[cceast22]

No problems geechiedan! If that is who that man love, I am happy for him. My life don't change and his doesn't either. Big up to Nate Parker for what he is doing with Birth of a Nation. That is more important!

 

[jasonblacc]

in what way??

Cheat with a white women, denied his kid.

 

[simonmarcel]

She's obviously black

so whats the problem??

 

[simonmarcel]

How did this go from Black people with a pro black message to All successful black men?

 

[34real]

Because it seems like most successful black men or men of a certain stature are married to white women or women other than black.I'm also torn on this one myself because for one I don't know them individually so I can't say what is and isn't genuine.I do take into account that as you grow in popularity and travel so does your exposer to other's and I would hope that this is the case for these men and women.But I also know from my personal experience that the most pro-black man has an inclination sometimes to be overtly hypocritical ;You can hate/dislike something so much til you began to love it.

Today they hate for black women is disturbing coming from black males who were raised by single mother's,gay men who think hating what they wish they were is natural,men who have attracted certain types of women and have developed hatred for them because of social-ills and no solid foundation on either side.

 

[CptMARVEL]

Negate?
No.
The truth is the truth, regardless of who delivers the message.
However; it's very difficult to deliver an important message on the ills of the Black community or praise "Black Love" or "Black Unity" when the messenger has already "hopped the fence".
I think that having a spouse who is non-black often means the messenger doesn't publicly divulge the nature of the relationship for fear that it will detract from the importance of "the message".
As a result of this; the fear that the community might reject "the message" because the messenger is involved in an interracial relationship only serves to keep us divided, oppressed & more easily beaten...
Unfortunately, far too many people seem to feel that folks in interracial marriages or relationships are a rejecting of their own race. When; (in general), nothing could be further from the truth. Being attracted to people from other races does not mean you don't find members of your own race attractive or desirable. It just means this is who you love & chose to be with at this time in your life...

 

[II Dxnum]

I don't know if it negates their message, but those with non-black spouses should be quiet when it comes to certain matters. Like rebuilding the black family, or the matters concerning the black family in general.