Does a Non-Black spouse negate a Pro-Black message?

[Mr. Bizkits]

Under a system of white supremacy, no
non-white people should be marrying or having sexual relations with white people until the problem (racism/white supremacy) is solved.

The power dynamics are not balanced, even, nor just!

 

[^SpiderMan^]

This begs the question; why did those white women marry them?

Women in general love passion. In my observations, women are even more attracted to passion than actual success. A dude that is totally focused on and passionate about uplifting his people will be attractive to a large number of women whether they actually agree with his message or not.

 

[Entrepronegro]

Under a system of white supremacy, no
non-white people should be marrying white people until the problem (racism/white supremacy) is solved.

The power dynamics are not balanced, even, nor just!

Well your comment is pointless cause racism/white supremacy will go on forever until the world ends.

 

[Mr. Bizkits]

Well your comment is pointless cause racism/white supremacy will go on forever until the world ends.

Don't keep a defeated mindset. Anything that's created, can be destroyed

 

[^SpiderMan^]

They may look plane jane but they good women and down for their man.

I can't disagree with that. The thing is, a sista on the same level of attractiveness would have been just as down. many of these dudes would require a sista to be a dime or at least a strong 7 but would date a 5 white woman.A 5 sista would often compensate by being down as well.

 

[Joe Money]

Women in general love passion. In my observations, women are even more attracted to passion than actual success. A dude that is totally focused on and passionate about uplifting his people will be attractive to a large number of women whether they actually agree with his message or not.

Interesting perspective.

 

[Entrepronegro]

Don't keep a defeated mindset. Anything that's created, can be destroyed

I'm just being realistic, it's no point in thinking it will be defeated when it's mostly likely won't be.

 

[jasonblacc]

Yes it does in my opinion. Hard to fight racism/oppression when your laying with a benefactor of that racism.

 

[older version]

It does not negate.
A wife is just that. She has a place and a mans work has its place.

There were a lot of non-blacks in the civil rights struggle so it may seem funny/out of place, but it
is very much in-place.

 

[JimJones]

Whom you court, date or marry should match your socio-political, socio-economic philosophies and reflect that which you value! Its difficult to reconcile claims of love for Black people while loving a non-Black person. But so many of our people Pro Black stance ends at there Bed room door

 

[DaAssWatcher]

You couldn't be on no Malcolm X shit running around with white girls like Detroit Red.

 

[Joe Money]

To discredit them....plain and simple....

What would they stand to gain from that?

 

[Joe Money]

And you CAN help who you fall in love with...

They were never anti white women to begin with....but rather wanted white women and couldn't get them at the time so they were like the hell with white women. First one come knocking they took the chance to get them...

Man, that age and environment is the EASIEST time to get white girls.

 

[Mr. Bizkits]

I'm just being realistic, it's no point in thinking it will be defeated when it's mostly likely won't be.

I see where you are coming from. But don't give up, we have to keep our heads up. Just like being in prison, you have to keep believing you can break out and escape.

Just know white women are not the answer from keeping any black man abused, subjugated, and oppressed.

White women are the key facilitators in running the pre-school to prison pipeline.

 

[Dr. Truth]

You act like other groups don't get treated like shit by Cacs.

 

[Dr. Truth]

that wasn't the question(topic)...it was about a black activist and white spouse....and...no other group gets treated as bad as blacks

It say's non black spouse. It's not specific to white only. My point was other non whites who aren't sellouts know exactly what it's like to be called racist shit by cacs or treated different.

 

[Joe Money]

Don't mean they had the means to get them at that time which is why they ended up with them later in life

Did you go to college? That's when kids experiment and rebel. If anything, the "means to get them" didn't matter around that age and in that environment; that kind of shit comes into play later.

 

[TheyCallMeBe]

I believe Frederick Douglass is the greatest American ever (regardless of race) and he married a white woman. It can be very off putting if you think too deep into it. But, ultimately, you can't really judge what a man is attracted to.

 

[Entrepronegro]

I see where you are coming from. But don't give up, we have to keep our heads up. Just like being in prison, you have to keep believing you can break out and escape.

Just know white women are not the answer from keeping any black man abused, subjugated, and oppressed.

White women are the key facilitators in running the pre-school to prison pipeline.

We been keeping our heads up for 400 years and those fuckers are still in power. They can put a black man as the president but can control him like a robot if they choose to.

 

[Mello Mello]

I can hear the ghost of Lonestar29 voice echo all through this thread.

I always found it odd many of those pro-black advocates always married white, it's a phenomenon I put next to whores who find God after a life of whoredom.

I'll say it like this, and this is coming from a having a dad who is pro-black but currently shacked up with his white mistress. Marrying a white woman, moderates whatever strong, radical pro-black ideology you thought you had. I've seen it with my own two. Use to be on one side but ended up somewhere in the middle... with a white bitch.

I knew he was gone when certain topics came up he talked around the racial issue or if he did he always had to mention some balance in behavior, whether it was legit or not. It was annoying. Kinda like having a dog after his nuts get clipped. It's like, what happened to you?

It's been a long held belief by white nationalist and similar hate groups that white women were the best weapon in the fight to destabilize black communities. Give a black man a white woman and it'll take the fight right out of him. Seduction at work.

Once again mans weakness for pussy is the cause of his demise. Just like many kings in the past. Give a man enough pussy all of a sudden everything is all right in the world no matter how fucked up it was before. In this case give a black man some white pussy and all a sudden shit is all good.

Voice becomes devoid of all radical elements and ends up watered down. Until you find yourself capitulating to their shit.

Even my mom use to tell me stories of being a Panther with Huey P and Bobby Seal up at Berkley and how they use to be all over them white girls at the University.

How do you explain it?

You see it with sistas too. The higher you climb in social and economic status and fame the more access to white people you get. But I ain't gonna throw out the baby with the bath water if what they are doing is useful to black folk. But that's how I see it.

 

[jasonblacc]

I can hear the ghost of Lonestar29 voice echo all through this thread.

I always found it odd many of those pro-black advocates always married white, it's a phenomenon I put next to whores who find God after a life of whoredom.

I'll say it like this, and this is coming from a having a dad who is pro-black but currently shacked up with his white mistress. Marrying a white woman, moderates whatever strong, radical pro-black ideology you thought you had. I've seen it with my own two. Use to be on one side but ended up somewhere in the middle... with a white bitch.

I knew he was gone when certain topics came up he talked around the racial issue or if he did he always had to mention some balance in behavior, whether it was legit or not. It was annoying. Kinda like having a dog after his nuts get clipped. It's like, what happened to you?

It's been a long held belief by white nationalist and similar hate groups that white women were the best weapon in the fight to destabilize black communities. Give a black man a white woman and it'll take the fight right out of him. Seduction at work.

Once again mans weakness for pussy is the cause of his demise. Just like many kings in the past. Give a man enough pussy all of a sudden everything is all right in the world no matter how fucked up it was before. In this case give a black man some white pussy and all a sudden shit is all good.

Voice becomes devoid of all radical elements and ends up watered down. Until you find yourself capitulating to their shit.

Even my mom use to tell me stories of being a Panther with Huey P and Bobby Seal up at Berkley and how they use to be all over them white girls at the University.

How do you explain it?

You see it with sistas too. The higher you climb in social and economic status and fame the more access to white people you get. But I ain't gonna throw out the baby with the bath water if what they are doing is useful to black folk. But that's how I see it.

Nice post.

 

[godofwine]

It don't matter. The message is the message

I agree, the message is the message. It could be said that because I don't live in the hood that I can't be Pro black, or rather that because I moved to a white neighborhood in the suburbs that I can't be Pro black.

I have never been a fan of the pale-faces or even the light skin chick to tell you the truth. Almost every chick I've ever dated or fucked have been brown skin or darker. My First Girlfriend Was dark skinned, my first girl crush was Tootie from Facts of Life AKA Kim Fields. Very few White Chicks have been able to move the meter for me (Erin Gray from Silver Spoons/Buck Rogers was my first lady Crush). In the end, you can't help who you love and how and when it hits you, so I don't believe it takes away from the message

As far as where I live, shit, I moved out of the hood because I want my TV to be in my house when I get back. I want Cops to come when I call them. When I lived in the hood, my apartment was broken into and it took the cops 7 hours to get there. Out here, the cops are here in minutes

 

[Entrepronegro]

I agree, the message is the message. It could be said that because I don't live in the hood that I can't be Pro black, or rather that because I moved to a white neighborhood in the suburbs that I can't be Pro black.

I have never been a fan of the pale-faces or even the light skin chick to tell you the truth. Almost every chick I've ever dated or fucked have been brown skin or darker. My First Girlfriend Was dark skinned, my first girl crush was Tootie from Facts of Life AKA Kim Fields. Very few White Chicks have been able to move the meter for me (Erin Gray from Silver Spoons/Buck Rogers was my first lady Crush). In the end, you can't help who you love and how and when it hits you, so I don't believe it takes away from the message

As far as where I live, shit, I moved out of the hood because I want my TV to be in my house when I get back. I want Cops to come when I call them. When I lived in the hood, my apartment was broken into and it took the cops 7 hours to get there. Out here, the cops are here in minutes

all that shit don't matter to me, I just like pussy, I don't care if the woman is white, black or green. The pussy is what attracts me and if she is down with anal sex that's a bonus.

 

[Dr. Truth]

 

[three-fifths]

i cannot believe jomo kenyatta married a nasty-assed white woman.

the leader of the mau-mau? no fucking way.

i have no problem with non-whites marrying other non-whites; however, i totally oppose any and all white and non-white marriages and sexual relations.

i hate that shit with all my heart, body, mind and soul.

 

[TheyCallMeBe]

You might wanna read about that marriage and under what circumstances they got married...she was a side chick....and a feminist

None of that has anything to do with the topic at hand.

 

[lazarus]

I think it's unfair. Judge by actions than skin color. If some dude was stationed in some hick town and some chick gave him mad head and did right by him, and ends up married. two kids. He then decides to become a politician and help his people, and his family. He has a wife already now and two teenage sons. What you going to do? Dump her so you can keep an image?

 

[mangobob79]

I can hear the ghost of Lonestar29 voice echo all through this thread.

I always found it odd many of those pro-black advocates always married white, it's a phenomenon I put next to whores who find God after a life of whoredom.

I'll say it like this, and this is coming from a having a dad who is pro-black but currently shacked up with his white mistress. Marrying a white woman, moderates whatever strong, radical pro-black ideology you thought you had. I've seen it with my own two. Use to be on one side but ended up somewhere in the middle... with a white bitch.

I knew he was gone when certain topics came up he talked around the racial issue or if he did he always had to mention some balance in behavior, whether it was legit or not. It was annoying. Kinda like having a dog after his nuts get clipped. It's like, what happened to you?

It's been a long held belief by white nationalist and similar hate groups that white women were the best weapon in the fight to destabilize black communities. Give a black man a white woman and it'll take the fight right out of him. Seduction at work.

Once again mans weakness for pussy is the cause of his demise. Just like many kings in the past. Give a man enough pussy all of a sudden everything is all right in the world no matter how fucked up it was before. In this case give a black man some white pussy and all a sudden shit is all good.

Voice becomes devoid of all radical elements and ends up watered down. Until you find yourself capitulating to their shit.

Even my mom use to tell me stories of being a Panther with Huey P and Bobby Seal up at Berkley and how they use to be all over them white girls at the University.

How do you explain it?

You see it with sistas too. The higher you climb in social and economic status and fame the more access to white people you get. But I ain't gonna throw out the baby with the bath water if what they are doing is useful to black folk. But that's how I see it.

I CAN APPRECIATE UR HONESTY , BUT I MUST SAY IT LOSES ITS AUTHENTICITY IN MY EYES, IF U CAN GET A WHITE WOMAN THEN U CAN GET A BLACK WOMAN AS WELL, AND YES U CAN CHOOSE WHOM U LOVE, WE ALL KNOW WHAT TO AVOID TO GET US OUT OF BS SITUATIONS, SO WHY KNOCK ON THE DEVIL'S DOOR IF U DONT WANT IT TO OPEN? AND THIS IS COMIN FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS DATED VARIED RACES AND ETHNICITIES..AT THE END I ALWAYS BREAK IT OFF COS I JUST DONT WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISRESPECT OF THE BLACK FAMILY..ILL ALWAYS PICK A SISTER (PROBABLY NOT AMERICAN BORN & RAISED) OVER ANY OTHER THATS JUST HOW I SEE IT THO'

 

[mangobob79]

Whom you court, date or marry should match your socio-political, socio-economic philosophies and reflect that which you value! Its difficult to reconcile claims of love for Black people while loving a non-Black person. But so many of our people Pro Black stance ends at there Bed room truck.

THIS ^^^

 

[Dirty Hubcaps]

Put it like this:

If you went to a Benz dealership, the salesman there is telling you about how great Mercedes is, how it has every feature you could ever want and it's the best vehicle money can buy........then later on in the day you go into the parking lot and see him get into a BMW........how is he not full of shit?

Your life choices are the result of your values. Yes you can help who you fall in love with because who you fall in love reflect your personal philosophies, whether you want to acknowledge it or not

 

[mangobob79]

Put it like this:

If you went to a Benz dealership, the salesman there is telling you about how great Mercedes is, how it has every feature you could ever want and it's the best vehicle money can buy........then later on in the day you go into the parking lot and see him get into a BMW........how is he not full of shit?

Your life choices are the result of your values. Yes you can help who you fall in love with because who you fall in love reflect your personal philosophies, whether you want to acknowledge it or not

DR BEN AND DR CLARKE ALWAYS SAID THESE AND RUNOKO RASHIDI HAS THIS CLIP WHERE HE DISCUSSES THIS TOO! GOTTA FIND IT

 

[King Natty]

Yes it does. All Black everything

 

[ankhheru]

The only issue I can see is if you go out your way to placate your partner to appease their guilt. Many do it. When ever issue's of injustice come up they will indict black people. I prime example would be blacks rioting injustice and you say, "what about black on black crime?"

Personally I would not be in an interracial relationship because I prefer black women. They come in all colors and shapes so you can find something that milks your cookie.

 

[Mello Mello]

I CAN APPRECIATE UR HONESTY , BUT I MUST SAY IT LOSES ITS AUTHENTICITY IN MY EYES, IF U CAN GET A WHITE WOMAN THEN U CAN GET A BLACK WOMAN AS WELL, AND YES U CAN CHOOSE WHOM U LOVE, WE ALL KNOW WHAT TO AVOID TO GET US OUT OF BS SITUATIONS, SO WHY KNOCK ON THE DEVIL'S DOOR IF U DONT WANT IT TO OPEN? AND THIS IS COMIN FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS DATED VARIED RACES AND ETHNICITIES..AT THE END I ALWAYS BREAK IT OFF COS I JUST DONT WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISRESPECT OF THE BLACK FAMILY..ILL ALWAYS PICK A SISTER (PROBABLY NOT AMERICAN BORN & RAISED) OVER ANY OTHER THATS JUST HOW I SEE IT THO'

I agree. It does lose its authenticity to me.

I don't believe the you can't help who you fall in love with bs either. Love isn't some passive act you just let other people impose on you. We all choose and decide who we will be courted by who we allow in our midst.

It's why I say be weary of those who are extreme pro-black, they talk about black everything but usually hiding a non-black spouse somewhere.

I use to know this brotha who was always about kicking knowledge for the people. Organizing us for protest and issues concerning black student union in college. He had so many black women on him he was fighting them off. Somehow word got around to his wife and she started showing up to our BSU meeting. When we seen her for the first time we all broke out laughing behind his back. She was this tiny 4'9 pudgy Asian girl in tow with this little mixed baby and he was this 6'2 solid built black man.

Now it didn't mean what he was saying wasn't true in regard to the matters that concerned us but it definitely took a lot of steam out of his words and messages when he talked about what black people should be doing. After that many just seen him as a means to an end. Whatever pro black message he had lost all resonance with many of BSU.

 

[playahaitian]

If you look through history, MOST black activists married white women.Many did it over and over again.

ok devil's advocate

because this is so DAMN frequent COULD it be a direct F U to white society as a whole?

I got ya b*itch?