Do you Believe in UFOs

[Dannyblueyes]

First of all, which next two solar systems are you referring to? If we haven't completely looked at this system, how can you make such a statement about your next two systems statement?

We haven't visited ANY planets. We've sent probes to several, but their scope has been limited...the first Mars Rover, Curiosity, while on the planet for 9 years, it's covered only around 20 miles of the surface. That's like landing a probe in the Sahara..a small spot in the Sahara, and claiming there's no life there.

Sure there have been other probes to Mars, but theres wayyyy more that hasn't been explored than has.

Plus, there are dozens of moons of planets, which we haven't begun to look at. There's still the potential for other planets that haven't been discovered yet.

Regarding other sentient life visiting those planets, again, we haven't looked closely enough to make any kind of conclusive statement.

From our limited work, absence of life doesn't mean anything.

I wanna hear more about what info you have on these next few systems, though. Let's focus on that.

You seem to be the only person I've EVER heard of to make ANY reference to what's going on outside of our own solar system.

The reason I'm assuming that there's no life on the planets we haven't personally visited, or at least no sentient life more advanced than our own, is because we can see evidence of our own civilization from space. Not only from man-made structures on the ground, but also through the presence of the ISS and thousands of satellites that orbit the Earth.

Yet we haven't seen any of these signs on any planet that we've investigated. They're also isn't any evidence of communication such as TV or radio broadcast.

Now I could be wrong. It might be that these things are detectable, but the government has kept it under wraps. It's also possible that there are aliens living underground or underwater. Perhaps they have abilities or technology that allow them to communicate without the use of electronics. Or they may have an advanced technology that shields their existence from us in ways we can't comprehend.

Perhaps it's too early to tell, but so far all signs suggest that it's pretty lonely out there. That said, I'm still open to the possibility. I'm also making zero guesses on any planet we haven't examined yet.

As for the other solar systems, NASA has been probing, and examining planets in the kepler-22 system for about 10 years now. They've even found a so-called Goldilocks zone with earth like planets that could potentially support human life.

They post the results of their discoveries here.

Exoplanet Catalog - NASA Science

This exoplanet encyclopedia — continuously updated, with more than 5,600 entries — combines interactive 3D models and detailed data on all confirmed exoplanets.

exoplanets.nasa.gov

On the side note though, this is exactly the kind of debate and back and forth that I value the most. So thank you for that!

 

[tallblacknyc]

First of all, which next two solar systems are you referring to? If we haven't completely looked at this system, how can you make such a statement about your next two systems statement?

We haven't visited ANY planets. We've sent probes to several, but their scope has been limited...the first Mars Rover, Curiosity, while on the planet for 9 years, it's covered only around 20 miles of the surface. That's like landing a probe in the Sahara..a small spot in the Sahara, and claiming there's no life there.

Sure there have been other probes to Mars, but theres wayyyy more that hasn't been explored than has.

Plus, there are dozens of moons of planets, which we haven't begun to look at. There's still the potential for other planets that haven't been discovered yet.

Regarding other sentient life visiting those planets, again, we haven't looked closely enough to make any kind of conclusive statement.

From our limited work, absence of life doesn't mean anything.

I wanna hear more about what info you have on these next few systems, though. Let's focus on that.

You seem to be the only person I've EVER heard of to make ANY reference to what's going on outside of our own solar system.

I clearly posted that we don’t even fully know what’s going on in our oceans so we definitely don’t know what’s going on other planets..yet mr blue eyes was pushing the narrative that we swept through the 8 other planets and other moons and found no life.. this is known fact of us not being aware fully of earths oceans and us not knowing everything about other plsnets

 

[sammyjax]

That's all I meant was the dude should stop speaking in unfounded absolutes

Glad he was able to fight his natural instincts

Talking bout the internet dangerous and shit

 

[black again]

The reason I'm assuming that there's no life on the planets we haven't personally visited, or at least no sentient life more advanced than our own, is because we can see evidence of our own civilization from space. Not only from man-made structures on the ground, but also through the presence of the ISS and thousands of satellites that orbit the Earth.

Yet we haven't seen any of these signs on any planet that we've investigated. They're also isn't any evidence of communication such as TV or radio broadcast.

Now I could be wrong. It might be that these things are detectable, but the government has kept it under wraps. It's also possible that there are aliens living underground or underwater. Perhaps they have abilities or technology that allow them to communicate without the use of electronics. Or they may have an advanced technology that shields their existence from us in ways we can't comprehend.

Perhaps it's too early to tell, but so far all signs suggest that it's pretty lonely out there. That said, I'm still open to the possibility. I'm also making zero guesses on any planet we haven't examined yet.

As for the other solar systems, NASA has been probing, and examining planets in the kepler-22 system for about 10 years now. They've even found a so-called Goldilocks zone with earth like planets that could potentially support human life.

They post the results of their discoveries here.

Exoplanet Catalog - NASA Science

This exoplanet encyclopedia — continuously updated, with more than 5,600 entries — combines interactive 3D models and detailed data on all confirmed exoplanets.

exoplanets.nasa.gov

On the side note though, this is exactly the kind of debate and back and forth that I value the most. So thank you for that!

Kinda busy, so I don't have time to fully pick apart what you're saying, but you're all over the place now with your argument now. It certainly has changed from your original posts.

Part of what you've written proves everything I've said...they could be underground, underwater, have stealth tech, or the government might just not be telling you what they've found...cuz they never tell anything which doesn't further their agenda.

In other words, there could be life on multiple worlds we can't see.

Whose to say that their tech will be anything remotely recognizable to humans?

You seem hung up on our tech being more advanced, so it might also be used by other beings...radios, satellites, TV...

I tend to think our tech is primitive and I'd be surprised if any other beings would use it.

The planet in the Kepler system, which you're referring to is over 600 light years away.
Matter of fact, all those few thousand exoplanets you've highlighted are light years away. We're not probing them.

That planet just happens to be in the Goldilocks zone. And as far as us proving anything about it, they're only able to confirm it's existence from the wobble as it passes in front of its sun. We know next to nothing about this world. So, to try to use this as proof is like throwing shit on the wall and hoping it sticks.

 

[EPDC]

Life as we know it on earth should in no way prepare us or provide us with much input for what intelligent life on other worlds may appear as. We are viewing things with a biased lens....

I truly believe the human brain cannot fully come close to understanding the concept of Alien life.

Hell, we measure time on earth by the revolution around our sun. Time, velocity, speed, etc...

Imagine the concept of time on another world that's using completely different rules.

For all we know, extraterrestrial beings may not even be carbon based and may be using a completely different kind of physics.

Again, human arrogance has us thinking it should be one way.....

 

[black again]

Life as we know it on earth should in no way prepare us or provide us with much input for what intelligent life on other worlds may appear as. We are viewing things with a biased lens....

I truly believe the human brain cannot fully come close to understanding the concept of Alien life.

Hell, we measure time on earth by the revolution around our sun. Time, velocity, speed, etc...

Imagine the concept of time on another world that's using completely different rules.

For all we know, extraterrestrial beings may not even be carbon based and may be using a completely different kind of physics.

Again, human arrogance has us thinking it should be one way.....

Said it way better than I did..thank you

 

[Dannyblueyes]

Kinda busy, so I don't have time to fully pick apart what you're saying, but you're all over the place now with your argument now. It certainly has changed from your original posts.

Part of what you've written proves everything I've said...they could be underground, underwater, have stealth tech, or the government might just not be telling you what they've found...cuz they never tell anything which doesn't further their agenda.

In other words, there could be life on multiple worlds we can't see.

Whose to say that their tech will be anything remotely recognizable to humans?

You seem hung up on our tech being more advanced, so it might also be used by other beings...radios, satellites, TV...

I tend to think our tech is primitive and I'd be surprised if any other beings would use it.

The planet in the Kepler system, which you're referring to is over 600 light years away.
Matter of fact, all those few thousand exoplanets you've highlighted are light years away. We're not probing them.

That planet just happens to be in the Goldilocks zone. And as far as us proving anything about it, they're only able to confirm it's existence from the wobble as it passes in front of its sun. We know next to nothing about this world. So, to try to use this as proof is like throwing shit on the wall and hoping it sticks.

I don't see how anything I said proves anything. Most of it is opinion based on facts.

In that spirit I'm not going to take the view that aliens are hiding from us or that the government is covering everything up because we really have no way to know yet. At this point all we can do is compare our own civilization to what we see or don't see on other planets. We really don't have any other reference point.

You could be right that our tech is so primitive that other planets wouldn't use it. However that doesn't mean that they can't detect it. For instance, nobody on Earth uses records made of wax cylinders anymore, but if we discovered a probe from another alien civilization that contained one we still have the resources to play it.

I should also mention another reason why I don't think there's any alien civilizations nearby. Recently scientists discovered an asteroids made almost entirely out of gold. We're still figuring out how the hell we're going to get this thing back to earth.

Why has nobody else beat us to it?

Even if that society doesn't value gold as a measure of exchange or stored value the way we do, it's still one of the most conductive metals on Earth.

 

[black again]

I don't see how anything I said proves anything. Most of it is opinion based on facts.

In that spirit I'm not going to take the view that aliens are hiding from us or that the government is covering everything up because we really have no way to know yet. At this point all we can do is compare our own civilization to what we see or don't see on other planets. We really don't have any other reference point.

You could be right that our tech is so primitive that other planets wouldn't use it. However that doesn't mean that they can't detect it. For instance, nobody on Earth uses records made of wax cylinders anymore, but if we discovered a probe from another alien civilization that contained one we still have the resources to play it.

I should also mention another reason why I don't think there's any alien civilizations nearby. Recently scientists discovered an asteroids made almost entirely out of gold. We're still figuring out how the hell we're going to get this thing back to earth.

Why has nobody else beat us to it?

Even if that society doesn't value gold as a measure of exchange or stored value the way we do, it's still one of the most conductive metals on Earth.

Please go read what @EPDC wrote again.

I'ma borrow one of his sentences and make a slight change...

Again, "white" human arrogance has us thinking it should be one way.....

It's the same as when Rick Santorum said that there was no civilization when white colonizers arrived here, and they they didn't contribute much to the culture here.

Since whites didn't recognize cities, like in Europe, there must not be civilization here already...which further enabled their racism.

You obviously are so wrapped up in your white bias, you don't see how anything could be different....

 

[playahaitian]

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[playahaitian]

Opinion | Wait, Are There Actually Aliens?

What to make of the latest allegations of a government cover-up.

www.nytimes.com

 

[blackbull1970]

Joe Rogan Gets Trump To Discuss JFK Files And UFO Disclosure
Joe Rogan Podcast
October 25, 2024

This is a rare moment in this video clip, where you don’t see Trump rambling on and going off in a different direction when a question is asked to him.

While watching, you will notice that Trump is thinking what to say before talking. And he responds talking very slowly clearly showing he is very aware to not say the wrong thing.

That is very rare coming from him from how we are used to seeing him at rallies, debates and what interviews he has done running his mouth.

It’s clear he was briefed at some point during his administration and it’s clear somebody informed him if he ever opened his big mouth on what he knew….they then showed him the JFK assassination from a different POV.

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[rrebelrrabbi]

Not until I see aliens walking in front of me do I believe that contact has been made with other worldly life forms.
The unidentifiable shit you’re seeing flying around in sightings are top secret aircraft that the military is designing, testing, and or actually carrying out missions.
Area 51 was an Air Force base where they developed, tested, and flew the top secret aircraft.
Area 51 has not been so top secret for the past 35 years and they’ve been using it as only a decoy/distraction.​

You’re a close minded idiot than. Also arrogant af. What makes u think u have ANY IDEA of what’s possible out there and what’s not? That’s almost crazy to be grown and think u know sumn like that definitively. The smartest people in the world all say the same shit, then some regular ass mfer like u come along and be like “nah, I call bullshit” and only reasoning or logic be sumn dumb af like “I just don’t believe it’s possible” lmao

 

[rrebelrrabbi]

Yes I believe but not that they're green/grey and with a big ass head

Why not? Where did that come from? It’s on cave walls all around the world, many different cultures art all around the world, and many people alive today and in our time have witness the same thing, ALL AROUND THE WORLD, u jus call bullshit on the description? Jus cuz or u got some reason??

 

[knightmelodic]

I don't disbelieve in them, though there's a lot of evidence against them, they are just way low on my list of priorities.

 

[God Dammit]

You’re a close minded idiot than. Also arrogant af. What makes u think u have ANY IDEA of what’s possible out there and what’s not? That’s almost crazy to be grown and think u know sumn like that definitively. The smartest people in the world all say the same shit, then some regular ass mfer like u come along and be like “nah, I call bullshit” and only reasoning or logic be sumn dumb af like “I just don’t believe it’s possible” lmao

Bitch, I don’t have to believe shit without me seeing the proof.
What kind of dumbass just believes everything they’re told?!
You already told me enough about the type of person you are.​