Discussion: FARGO on FX @10pm Update: Season 5 w/ John Hamm

Should we discuss how the they portrayed the Italians despite Everything

NOTHING was more important than FAMILY

those brothers after ALL THAT SH*T?

WORKED IT OUT

cause they could not let those Black men WIN

they FOUND A WAY to WORK TOGETHER.

and I am trying to see if we have ANY example of that kind of UNDYING LOYALTY with the Black mafia?

Is there a LARGER message being showed here?



Good question re: undying loyalty.

They have definitely made examples of extreme violence (all the innocent victims at the station shootout) and politics earlier in the season (shitting on Trump with a line or two)

Gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Do Josto and Gaetano make it out alive?

Some people are questioning whether Deafy really died (eyes open at the train station).

Loy Cannon getting revenge for Senator and more?

Mayflower getting the hell out of town? Harming Ethelrida beforehand?

How do Josto and Gaetano get revenge for their mom & sister (or sister-in-law?) getting killed inside the house?
 
Good question re: undying loyalty.

They have definitely made examples of extreme violence (all the innocent victims at the station shootout) and politics earlier in the season (shitting on Trump with a line or two)

Gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Do Josto and Gaetano make it out alive?

Some people are questioning whether Deafy really died (eyes open at the train station).

Loy Cannon getting revenge for Senator and more?

Mayflower getting the hell out of town? Harming Ethelrida beforehand?

How do Josto and Gaetano get revenge for their mom & sister (or sister-in-law?) getting killed inside the house?

I think there is a clear "moral" code shown

like I said Deafy was a hypocrite orchestrating that slaughter at the train station for 2 fugitives

the political stuff was nicely done

at this point I aint even interested in the Italian mob like that honestly.

you know they gonna retaliate and etc etc

I hope they have a clever twist waiting in the end for them.

It is SPECIFICALLY the dynamic between the brothers that is insane to me yet makes sense and how them UNITED against Loy is going to play out.

You know something Mayflower is GREAT...

but she getting on my nerves

her performance is awesome

its just I feel like she BETTER be the Wicked witch and get melted

and NOT some super villain who damages that little sister before she gets hers.
 
I think there is a clear "moral" code shown

like I said Deafy was a hypocrite orchestrating that slaughter at the train station for 2 fugitives

the political stuff was nicely done

at this point I aint even interested in the Italian mob like that honestly.

you know they gonna retaliate and etc etc

I hope they have a clever twist waiting in the end for them.

It is SPECIFICALLY the dynamic between the brothers that is insane to me yet makes sense and how them UNITED against Loy is going to play out.

You know something Mayflower is GREAT...

but she getting on my nerves

her performance is awesome

its just I feel like she BETTER be the Wicked witch and get melted

and NOT some super villain who damages that little sister before she gets hers.





Agreed. I hope Mayflower gets apprehended, or fucked up. Tables turned on her evil ass.

People were definitely surprised that Gaetano didn't kill his brother Josto.

Deafy was definitely a piece of shit.

I hope Loy Cannon and his crew ultimately prevail.

I was hoping they were gonna fuck up Calamita for getting Senator earlier.
 
wait who YOU telling about the OC bro?

I seen EVERY EPISODE






That was a good show, no doubt. Enjoyed that one. Shit ... had it in rotation with Degrassi & a few others!

Rachel Bilson was always fine. Always had a thing for Autumn Reeser too. Checked her IG the other day - she's a MILF these days. Still a lightweight & petite.



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Look for symbolism? etc?

it was perfect

but for visceral SATISFACTION?

Nah that was NOT it at all.




Agreed. He deserved the treatment Gaetano got from Cannon's crew, but worse.

Calamita was definitely one of the better pieces of shit this season villain-wise. The matching coat & vehicle.
 
That was a good show, no doubt. Enjoyed that one. Shit ... had it in rotation with Degrassi & a few others!

Rachel Bilson was always fine. Always had a thing for Autumn Reeser too. Checked her IG the other day - she's a MILF these days. Still a lightweight & petite.



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hold old on

we need to catch up seriously on the PM family!!!

I was RIGHT THERE WITH YOU!!!

let me go check her out

oh and don't forget

 
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Just listening to some back episodes of a Fargo podcast. Prior to the big shootout at the train station.

Interesting hearing them discuss Dr. Harvard apparently being "dead" after the poisoning ... and also thinking Zelmare and Swanee would both survive.

One co-host mentioned he would like to see them safe, and return back to the neighborhood and intercept Mayflower going to retaliate and harm Ethelrida, and kill nurse Mayflower ensuring Ethel's safety.







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@playahaitian


Just listening to some back episodes of a Fargo podcast. Prior to the big shootout at the train station.

Interesting hearing them discuss Dr. Harvard apparently being "dead" after the poisoning ... and also thinking Zelmare and Swanee would both survive.

One co-host mentioned he would like to see them safe, and return back to the neighborhood and intercept Mayflower going to retaliate and harm Ethelrida, and kill nurse Mayflower ensuring Ethel's safety.







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but Zelmare is ALIVE correct?

And did they ever say if Swanee had ANY relation to Hanzo?
 
but Zelmare is ALIVE correct?

And did they ever say if Swanee had ANY relation to Hanzo?



Just talk / speculation about a potential Swanee / Hanzee relation. Nothing concrete.

Yes, from what I remember after Odis Weff hesitated, Zelmare knocked him over and ran down the staircase behind him.

Hoping she fucks some people up in the next 1 or 2 episodes!
 
Fargo’ Recap: And Your Little Dog, Too

Rabbi and Satchel pick up a four-legged friend on their journey to escape Kansas City’s gangster wars

By
ALAN SEPINWALL

Ben Whishaw as Rabbi Milligan in "East/West," this week's 'Fargo.'
Elizabeth Morris/FX
A review of this week’s Fargo, “East/West,” coming up just as soon as my dog is named Rabbit…

In 2009, the Coen brothers sat down with critic Elvis Mitchell for a career retrospective conversation on their home turf in Minneapolis. At one point in the wide-ranging discussion, Mitchell asks about the inspiration for how they staged a sequence with the KKK in O Brother, Where Art Thou?. Joel Coen replies, “We’ve talked about this, Ethan and I before, in that almost every movie you make is just an attempt to remake The Wizard of Oz.”
“East/West,” written by Noah Hawley and Lee Edward Colston II, and directed by Mike Uppendahl, is by far the most Coen-y episode of Fargo Season Four, in large part because it’s Hawley and company’s own attempt to remake The Wizard of Oz.

In this case, though, it’s a Wizard of Oz in reverse, where our two Dorothy figures, Rabbi Milligan and Satchel Cannon, have traveled from a Technicolor land of larger-than-life figures to the stark black-and-white plains of Kansas. There are two witches of the east and west, in the form of the bickering sisters who run the rooming house where they hide out. And you can draw lines between the other rooming house guests and Dorothy’s companions if you want, like the old man with the breathing apparatus as a sadder Tin Woodsman, or the fact that the traveling salesman is named Hunk, which was the name of the farmhand Ray Bolger played in the movie before becoming the Scarecrow in Oz.


Oh, and, of course, there’s a twister.

Where other episodes of this season have had to bounce around a half-dozen plots and three times as many significant characters, “East/West” is deliberately spare in both story and style. Most of it is just about Rabbi trying to retrieve some money he once hid in a feed store in the town of Liberal, Kansas, while Satchel hides out at the rooming house, with Constant Calamita and Omie Sparkman on their trail. It’s much slower than any previous installment this year. But it’s also much more interesting, because everything feels of a piece, rather than trying to make mismatched parts like Doctor Senator, Gaetano Fadda, and Oraetta Mayflower fit into the same picture. So much care is given to the details of the rooming house, its occupants, and Liberal as a whole that this one could almost function as its own entity, to be screened for people who haven’t seen anything else from this season and couldn’t tell a Deafy Wickware from a Zelmare Roulette.

“East/West” is a part of this season, though, and thus the journey takes on added resonance for what we know of the bond between the once and future Milligans: Rabbi in his final days on earth, and Satchel as he literally sets out on a road that will eventually make him Mike.

This season began with criminal fathers trading away their children to make peace. It’s a potent idea, but one where the show has demonstrated more interest in the fathers’ feelings about the deal than that of their kids. Ben Whishaw has been mostly marginalized, though excellent whenever called upon, and it wasn’t until Josto and Oraetta’s pillow talk last week that we got any sense of how horrifying the trade was for him as a boy(*). But whenever Rabbi and Satchel are paired, it’s hard not to think about what brought them together, and why Rabbi is so protective of Loy

Cannon’s son. Even though they’re not talking about their shared past, and are using the assumed names of Duffy and Colt, their link is palpable. Family business has reshaped both of them, and now the best option is for them to find somewhere over the rainbow where they can hide from the Faddas and the Cannons.




(*) There are scrambled familial relationships among the other rooming house guests, too, with some confusion about whether Pastor Roanoke is traveling with his wife or mother, and the major’s “niece” addressing him by his first name and in general behaving in an uncomfortably close fashion towards the old man.

But the adventure doesn’t work out. The hidden money is mostly gone, having been discovered by a pair of brothers who took over the store. And Rabbi’s attempt to buy a candy bar for Satchel’s birthday ends with a twister swallowing him up, along with Calamita and Sparkman (the latter likely already dead from Calamita’s bullets), as if a more powerful force is rendering its disapproval of this generational feud among Kansas City’s various crime families. Rabbi floats up into the sky destined only for oblivion, rather than a magical city where he can dance with a lion and murder witches. And when Satchel opens the door from their room to go looking for his guardian, the episode’s harsh monochrome sheen converts to color. It’s not the dazzling greens and yellows and reds of Oz, but it’s a future for the kid, who only has his little dog for companionship now as he sets off in search of his own future.

While waiting around at the rooming house, Satchel winds up spending a fair amount of time with Hunk, and, in many ways, the salesman’s relentlessly friendly patter seems a huge influence on the man Satchel will grow up to be. It’s not hard to picture the adult Mike Milligan quoting Dale Carnegie, after all, right before siccing the Kitchen Brothers on some poor slob.


During that awkward dinner, Hunk begins analyzing the story of Goldilocks, describing her as the classic example of an outsider in search of oneself. It’s an archetype that also fits Dorothy Gale, and both of our weary, troubled heroes this week. Rabbi Milligan was the son of an Irish family, cast out into first a Jewish clan, then an Italian one, never finding the home that felt just right. He leaves Satchel Cannon alone but prepared, even if he didn’t offer his usual warning first about what it means if he doesn’t come back. We don’t know what’s in store for the rest of the Cannon family, but unless all the Mike Milligan hints are a really convoluted head-fake, we know what’s in store for Satchel. He’ll be OK, but he won’t fulfill the dreams of either his biological father or the surrogate one who cared for him in the Fadda house. He’ll survive without ever getting to where the clouds are far behind him.


The episode opens with glimpse of one of the buildings wrecked by the twister, on top of which lies a copy of Barton Brixby’s A History of True Crime in the Mid West, which previously appeared in the show’s second season. It’s a clever nod to the year that introduced Mike Milligan, but also a way to establish that “East/West” will be more firmly on Fargo/Coen ground than much of this season to date.

Early in their travels through Kansas, Rabbi and Satchel pass a billboard whose unfinished message reads “The Future Is.” In that moment, anything could be possible, even for two fugitives with no resources and nowhere to go. As Satchel heads off in search of whatever comes next, whether or not it involves Loy Cannon, he passes the billboard, finally completed to read “The Future Is Now.” It is advertising a dream that has already been taken from Rabbi, and that we know Satchel will never quite get either. It’s sad, but then, so is The Wizard of Oz. If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow, why, oh why, can’t this poor kid?


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Just talk / speculation about a potential Swanee / Hanzee relation. Nothing concrete.

Yes, from what I remember after Odis Weff hesitated, Zelmare knocked him over and ran down the staircase behind him.

Hoping she fucks some people up in the next 1 or 2 episodes!

OK I got a BIG QUESTION...

The crime families swap kids to keep the piece

One kid gets MURDERED

Why aren't the NY bosses and the Country bosses

getting involved?

Should't breaking a DECADES OLD tradition

VIOLATING

BREAKING YOUR WORD

a big deal?

should that not be ENOUGH of Josto to lose his seat and Loy to get retribution?
 
OK I got a BIG QUESTION...

The crime families swap kids to keep the piece

One kid gets MURDERED

Why aren't the NY bosses and the Country bosses

getting involved?

Should't breaking a DECADES OLD tradition

VIOLATING

BREAKING YOUR WORD

a big deal?

should that not be ENOUGH of Josto to lose his seat and Loy to get retribution?


That’s a good question. Especially with it being such a harsh, long-standing tradition. People like Rabbi, Josto, Satchel, Zero and many more have been through some shit. Also, the losses both sides have suffered with people being murdered along the way.

Gonna watch this past Sunday’s episode tomorrow evening. Looking forward to it.

Hopefully we get a 5th season of this show without a 3 year break in between.

Side note, how is Noah Hawley’s Legion series for those who have watched it?
 
That’s a good question. Especially with it being such a harsh, long-standing tradition. People like Rabbi, Josto, Satchel, Zero and many more have been through some shit. Also, the losses both sides have suffered with people being murdered along the way.

Gonna watch this past Sunday’s episode tomorrow evening. Looking forward to it.

Hopefully we get a 5th season of this show without a 3 year break in between.

Side note, how is Noah Hawley’s Legion series for those who have watched it?

Legion FIRST SEASON was MIND BLOWING

and then...

it got WAY to smart for its own good and tried to do to much style over substance metaphorical fake deep...

but it was STILL an EXPERIENCE to watch.

I think there is a good discussion thread on here on it.
 
That’s a good question. Especially with it being such a harsh, long-standing tradition. People like Rabbi, Josto, Satchel, Zero and many more have been through some shit. Also, the losses both sides have suffered with people being murdered along the way.

Gonna watch this past Sunday’s episode tomorrow evening. Looking forward to it.

Hopefully we get a 5th season of this show without a 3 year break in between.

Side note, how is Noah Hawley’s Legion series for those who have watched it?

EXACTLY

especially since they implied one of kids may have actually been molested. I really thought for the big production and backstory they really dropped the ball on that one.
 
EXACTLY

especially since they implied one of kids may have actually been molested. I really thought for the big production and backstory they really dropped the ball on that one.


True, they should have explained the serious impact / consequences. I think that’s one of the downfalls with having such a large cast. There are so many players. Storylines. Apparently they even split up or added an episode this season having the delay in production due to covid.
 
Legion FIRST SEASON was MIND BLOWING

and then...

it got WAY to smart for its own good and tried to do to much style over substance metaphorical fake deep...

but it was STILL an EXPERIENCE to watch.

I think there is a good discussion thread on here on it.


Sounds good. Thinking about checking out more stuff On Demand eventually. So many choices with the back catalogues from FX, HBO and Showtime.
 
This was the one...

probably my favorite

not because of the loose ends being tied up

but the PACE and the writing and the acting

they were all clicking...

VERY straight forward Fargo

most like the 2nd season

we see the TRUE BIRTH of Mike Mulligan

that kid knocked it out the park he even had the VOICE and DELIVERY done

Ethelrita...

NOW SHE HERE, ahe has ARRIVED

Makes you wish they had used her MORE

EVERYONE in the cast had at least ONE great speech or moment.
 
Too much to go over really...

the cop just finally let go and ended his constant suffering.

That smile WAS chilling and I like how that for once the spirits were on the side of JUSTICE.

Josto is a miserable prick and never really loved anyone

and the moment he did?

He had it taken away in the WORST way possible.

and Gaetano FINALLY got his, by his OWN hand

It was the peace and happiness he saw in that man's eyes in DEATH

CHILLED HIM TO THE BONE

startled him...

he FELT SOMETHING

REMORSE

GUILT

but his powers were WEAKENING , as his love for his brother grew

he DESEVED that DEATH EARNED It

it was DESTINED.
 
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I'm NOT sure how to take the slave ship ghost captain...

a LOT of spirits this season

remember Swanee Cupps had a spirit haunting HER too.

connection?

Native Americans and African Americans?
 
Hated to see how they showed the Black mob snaked each other while the Italian mob was able to see past damn near ANY transgression

ESPECIALLY when BLOOD was involved

damn.
 
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