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Marvel Studios Chief Kevin Feige AddressesDoctor Strange Race Controversy

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In some ways, it's been a good few months to be Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige. Captain America: Civil War is raking in crazy amounts of money and garnering a ton of critical acclaim. But at the same time, there's been a lot of justifiable criticism lobbed at him and Marvel for casting Tilda Swinton (a white woman) as the Ancient One (a character who's traditionally portrayed as an Asian man in the comic-book source material) in the upcoming Doctor Strange. It's a pretty textbook case of whitewashing and Marvel has yet to offer an explanation for the casting that has satisfied critics (perhaps the best-known of whom is notednational treasure George Takei). In an interview with Deadline, Feige responded to the criticisms.

He said the decision was an attempt to avoid stereotypes about people of Asian descent:

The casting of the Ancient One was a major topic of conversation in the development and the creative process of the story. We didn’t want to play into any of the stereotypes found in the comic books, some of which go back as far as 50 years or more.

He went on to take pride in the decision to gender-swap the character:

We felt the idea of gender-swapping the role of the Ancient One was exciting. It opened up possibilities, it was a fresh way into this old and very typical story line. Why not make the wisest bestower of knowledge in the universe to our heroes in the particular film a woman instead of a man?

He also addressed the comments of Doctor Strange co-writer C. Robert Cargill, who said in an interview that the character was made white as part of an effort to appease Chinese officials and audiences, given that the character is portrayed as Tibetan in the original comics (Tibet is a thorny issue in the Middle Kingdom, after all). When asked about those statements, Feige said, "That story was completely erroneous."

None of this really explained the elephant in the room, which is the whitewashing of the character. Sure, having the Ancient One be the stereotype of the wise Asian magician would have been problematic, but that doesn't explain why you had to keep the character in the story and make him/her white. Even if you're getting rid of an Asian stereotype, you're still getting rid of an Asian person (and, therefore, an opportunity to hire an Asian actor) and adding in a white lead. There's also the matter of Strange's sidekick, Wong, played by Benedict Wong in the film. Isn't it also a racist stereotype to have a white mystic gain the assistance of an Asian sidekick? Why was that element left in there, but the Ancient One became white? Feige's words aren't likely to make any of the outcry die down.
 
Marvel Studios Chief Kevin Feige AddressesDoctor Strange Race Controversy

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In some ways, it's been a good few months to be Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige. Captain America: Civil War is raking in crazy amounts of money and garnering a ton of critical acclaim. But at the same time, there's been a lot of justifiable criticism lobbed at him and Marvel for casting Tilda Swinton (a white woman) as the Ancient One (a character who's traditionally portrayed as an Asian man in the comic-book source material) in the upcoming Doctor Strange. It's a pretty textbook case of whitewashing and Marvel has yet to offer an explanation for the casting that has satisfied critics (perhaps the best-known of whom is notednational treasure George Takei). In an interview with Deadline, Feige responded to the criticisms.

He said the decision was an attempt to avoid stereotypes about people of Asian descent:

The casting of the Ancient One was a major topic of conversation in the development and the creative process of the story. We didn’t want to play into any of the stereotypes found in the comic books, some of which go back as far as 50 years or more.

He went on to take pride in the decision to gender-swap the character:

We felt the idea of gender-swapping the role of the Ancient One was exciting. It opened up possibilities, it was a fresh way into this old and very typical story line. Why not make the wisest bestower of knowledge in the universe to our heroes in the particular film a woman instead of a man?

He also addressed the comments of Doctor Strange co-writer C. Robert Cargill, who said in an interview that the character was made white as part of an effort to appease Chinese officials and audiences, given that the character is portrayed as Tibetan in the original comics (Tibet is a thorny issue in the Middle Kingdom, after all). When asked about those statements, Feige said, "That story was completely erroneous."

None of this really explained the elephant in the room, which is the whitewashing of the character. Sure, having the Ancient One be the stereotype of the wise Asian magician would have been problematic, but that doesn't explain why you had to keep the character in the story and make him/her white. Even if you're getting rid of an Asian stereotype, you're still getting rid of an Asian person (and, therefore, an opportunity to hire an Asian actor) and adding in a white lead. There's also the matter of Strange's sidekick, Wong, played by Benedict Wong in the film. Isn't it also a racist stereotype to have a white mystic gain the assistance of an Asian sidekick? Why was that element left in there, but the Ancient One became white? Feige's words aren't likely to make any of the outcry die down.


The trailer looked really good aside from that fuckery
 
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Doctor Strange Will Have a "Different Flavour" to Other Marvel Films

"You still have the energy, you still have the colours."

With Captain America: Civil War now in theaters, attention is turning to the next movie on the Marvel roster--Doctor Strange. The fantasy adventure is released in November, and co-star Mads Mikkelsen has been speaking about what fans can expect from the film.


In an interview with Yahoo! Movies, the Hannibal star explained that whileDoctor Strange would certainly stand apart from many of Marvel's other films, it wouldn't push the surreal aspects of the story quite as far as the comics it is based on.

"If you look at the comic books, [they] are quite different [to other Marvel stories]," he said. "I think that the film will be different from the other [Marvel] films that we've seen, but not as different as the books are, because that was basically the '60s and '70s. It was more like an acid trip.


"We've taken that fascination of the time into something we can relate to today. So you still have the energy, you still have the colours, you still have the madness, but you also have something you can identify with. I think that was a necessity--if not, you would just make a crazy film.

"But you still have it there--you have all the action, all the good ingredients you get in a Marvel film, but it will have a different flavour, that's for sure."

Mikkelsen also revealed that his currently-unnamed character wouldn't be a traditional superhero villain. "He's not a villain in that way--he's a man who believes in something else than the hero," he said. "That doesn't mean that he doesn't want to make the planet look wonderful or he wants to save the world as well, but he has a different way of doing it. He is the antagonist, of course, but he's not necessarily wrong."

Doctor Strange stars Benedict Cumberbatch as mystical sorcerer Stephen Strange, with Tilda Swinton as Strange's mentor, the Ancient One. It also features Chiwetel Ejiofor and Rachel McAdams, and is directed by Sinister's Scott Derrickson.
 
DOCTOR STRANGE: MARVEL MINIMATES REVEAL IDENTITY OF MADS MIKKELSEN'S VILLAIN
BY NICOLE CARPENTER

Details surrounding Marvel's Doctor Strange film have been sparse, but we do know actor Mads Mikkelsen will be playing a villain opposite Benedict Cumberbatch. Marvel hasn't commented on exactly who he'll play, but his role may have just been revealed by a toy's packaging.

Spoiler warning: You won't want to read further if you don't want to know which character Mikkelsen could be playing.


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According to Heroic Hollywood, Mikkelsen is playing Kaecilius—a disciple of Baron Mordo in the comics. Mordo will be played by Chiwetel Ejiofor in the film. Previous rumors also cited Kaecilius as Mikkelsen's character, but now a name on Diamond Select Toys' Minimates may have confirmed the role.

The toys will be sold in pairs: Doctor Strange with The Ancient One, Mordo with Kaecilius, Stephen Strange with Christine Palmer, and Wong with a Zealot.

The toys are expected to be revealed to the public very soon. As Heroic Hollywood notes, Mordo's toy companion could be a placeholder used to avoid movie spoilers on a toy. However, Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige previously described Mikkelsen's character as "a sorcerer who breaks off into his own sect," which sounds like it could be an adaptation of Kaecilius.

One thing is certain though—Mikkelsen is definitely playing a villain.

Marvel's Doctor Strange debuts in theaters on November 4.

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Amid Concerns Of Orientalism, Benedict Wong Says His Doctor Strange Character Won't Be a 'Tea-Making Manservant'


Doctor Strange
's journey from comics to screen has been a fraught one. From the fairly textbook whitewashing of casting Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One (she's Celtic, we swear!) to more generalized anxiety about the property's penchant toward Orientalism, the Marvel movie has proved frustrating, seemingly squandering the opportunity for decent Asian representation onscreen.

And so, Benedict Wong's casting as Wong, Doctor Strange's sidekick and, in the comics, a martial arts master, drew similar early skepticism about the trope of a mystic, martial arts-practicing Asian sidekick there to serve a white lead. Now, Wong, the movie's most prominent Asian actor, is attempting to allay fears, promising that the character won't lean into the cringe-worthiest aspects of the source material.

Wong told Den of Geek: "I’m certainly not going to be the tea-making manservant. We’re heading in a different direction. He’s more of a drill sergeant." He further explained the move away from the Wong of the comics, saying,

"There isn’t any martial arts for Wong in Doctor Strange actually, he’s more of a drill sergeant to Kamar-Taj. He’s one of the masters of sorcery."

Of course, there's no guarantee that these changes will steer the character of Wong away from due criticism. Just as an Asian actor playing a martial arts expert isn't necessarily a damaging stereotype — were the character allowed real consideration and specificity — the absence of such trappings alone does not good representation make.

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I understand your point but remember the lead at always what is cracked up to be...

hell Loki stole damn near 3 movies

imagine an actor of his caliber playing a conflicted villain?

I actually prefer this I would love to see a powerful black villain in these films.

You are spot on

Loki is an amazing character
 
Here's Doctor Strange Movie's Big Villain

While the villains of Marvel's movies are often well-known bad guys drawn from the comic books, this isn't always the case. Kaecilius, the character that Mads Mikkelsen will play in the upcoming Doctor Strange isn't technically new, but very little is known about him. Now a new prequel comic has revealed some of his backstory.


As reported by ComicBook.com, the prequel comic is written and drawn by Will Corona Pilgrim and Jorge Fornes, and takes place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. At that point in the story, Kaecilius was not a villain. He was a high-ranking Master of he Mystic Arts, working alongside the Ancient One, who will be portrayed by Tilda Swinton in the film.

The comic shows the Masters in pursuit of a rogue member of their order, to retrieve a powerful staff he has stolen. Kaecilius is very much in charge, and unlike the other members of the Order, carries two small bladed weapons:



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A character called Kaecilius did appear in the Doctor Strange comics of the 1960s, but in a largely forgotten role seemingly different to the one that has been created for the movie.

Last month, Mikkelsen spoke about film, and how it would differ from previous Marvel movies. "You have all the action, all the good ingredients you get in a Marvel film, but it will have a different flavour," he told Yahoo! Movies.

"If you look at the comic books, [they] are quite different [to other Marvel stories]. I think that the film will be different from the other [Marvel] films that we've seen, but not as different as the books are, because that was basically the '60s and '70s. It was more like an acid trip.

"We've taken that fascination of the time into something we can relate to today. So you still have the energy, you still have the colours, you still have the madness, but you also have something you can identify with."

Doctor Strange stars Benedict Cumberbatch as mystical sorcerer Stephen Strange, and also also features Chiwetel Ejiofor and Rachel McAdams. It is directed by Sinister's Scott Derrickson.

The first trailer was released in April--check it out here. The film hits theaters on November 4, 2016.
 
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Mikkelsen is apparently playing a gent by the name of Kaecilius. He's barely been a footnote in Marvel history, up to this point. The character first appeared in a 1965 Doctor Strange story, acting as an underling of classic Strange nemesis Baron Mordo (played onscreen by Chiwetel Ejiofor). In this week's prequel comic (which is set in the continuity of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, not the conventional Marvel Comics universe), we see him in a very different role.

He's a "Master of the Mystic Arts" (a title often used for Strange throughout his comics history) who works alongside fellow Masters such as Wong (who will be played by Benedict Wong in the movie). His eyes look fine, but he's a little prideful and impetuous, so presumably some kind of catastrophe, perhaps self-made, will lead him to the dark side. Oh, Mads. Always playing those charismatic evildoers!
 
Wow.

Just wow.

Im calling it now, unless Suicide Squad surprises me, this will be the best superhero movie since TWS.
 
this is going be one trippy movie. this is marvel's biggest challenge in terms of box office success.
 
Bigger then Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man?
yeah. those were the big challenges for marvel til they conquered it. they never dealt with dark magic and whole film who's foundation is built on it. aside from tilda ,they got the right actors for the job.
 
yeah. those were the big challenges for marvel til they conquered it. they never dealt with dark magic and whole film who's foundation is built on it. aside from tilda ,they got the right actors for the job.

The actors in question all have a certain following and that plays in its favor.

Speaking of Mads, dude is a great actor. I hope we finally have a Marvel movie where the villain gets to shine.
 
I can tell already that you see this movie high and it might be a problem.
i think in term of financial return, it will probably do ant man numbers. a nice weekend with 50-60 million. decent numbers pass the 10o mill mark. and it will make most of it money oversea.
 
Yeah.
I'm still pissed off about The Ancient One thing.
Even though I absolutely love Tilda Swinton.
That chick is the perfect definition of CHAMELEON!

But I waited a long time to see the pychadelic Strange worlds of Ditko and Brunner to be depicted on the big screen. That shit looks straight ACID!!!

Now throw Dormammu and The Mindless Ones in there,
And I'll find some LSD to do for a week!
 
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Doctor Strange Director Feels 'Tremendous Empathy' for Asian-American Audiences

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Though the crowd at Marvel’s much-anticipated Comic-Con Hall H panel was understandably amped up by the unveiling of Doctor Strange teaser footage and a mind-bending new trailer, a spectre still haunts the studio’s fall superhero outing: the whitewashing controversy. Tilda Swinton will play the Ancient One, a character who, in the comic-book source material, is traditionally Asian in ethnicity. The move has incensed some critics, and in response, director Scott Derrickson tweeted in May, “I am listening and learning.” So what has he heard and learned? I asked him after the panel.

His response, in full:

I think that what I’ve come to really empathize with is the idea that there’s a group of people, Asian-Americans in this country, who didn’t grow up watching movies [and] seeing themselves on the screen, and if they did, it was usually a stereotype. I feel tremendous empathy for that because of what movies meant to me, growing up. I grew up as a white kid in north Denver, watching movies every weekend. It was the highlight of my life. For a lot of us here at Comic-Con, movies are our life and I can’t imagine what it’s like to grow up and not see yourself, not see your face up there in the lead characters. It’s a serious subject. It’s gotta change, the way that Asian-Americans are represented in cinema has to change.

I also talked about the topic with a few of the cast members. Benedict Wong is the most prominent ethnically Asian actor in the film, playing a guy named (appropriately enough) Wong. The character has traditionally been a cringe-inducing stereotype: Strange’s loyal manservant. But as the panel revealed, the film went in a wildly different direction, making him a fully independent, masterful mage. I asked Wong if the whitewashing accusations had bothered him at all. His response:

No, no. I’m an ambassador for an organization called Act for Change, and it’s representing people within diversity. I mean, it’s a big question that needs to be asked, and obviously, we’re encompassing more than other films, obviously. That’s ramping up. It’s good to ask these questions. But I actually do honestly feel that they have taken the Ancient One and they’ve cast Tilda Swinton, and there’s no one more perfect for this part. Tilda has this amazing, ethereal quality. I’m sure you’ll agree. And obviously, the changes they’ve made with Wong: we’re losing this manservant, tea-making-style character. So I think it’s a good thing.

I also chatted briefly with Mads Mikkelsen, who plays the villainousKaecilius. He said he hadn’t much noticed the controversy:

No, I haven’t paid attention to that. I know it’s a big thing over here. It’s not as big a thing in Europe, for different reasons. It’s something we should take seriously. But I do believe firmly that everybody’s just trying to make the film they wanna make and they’re not thinking in political terms. So I didn’t pay too much attention. But I have to respect that that is a theme over here.
 
^^^^

trailer opens with the MARVEL STUDIOS logo

:idea:

no Disney no traditional Marvel Comics logo

Marvel Studios Gets a New Logo with Fanfare from a Major Hollywood Composer [Comic-Con 2016]
Posted on Saturday, July 23rd, 2016 by Ethan Anderton




Marvel Studios brought down the house with their Hall H panel yet again, revealing a [URL='http://www.slashfilm.com/doctor-strange-trailer-2/']new trailer forDoctor Strange, some footage from the set of Thor: Ragnarok, the first footage and teaser trailer fromGuardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and the first footage from Spider-Man: Homecoming. But before all that happened, Marvel had another reveal.

After using the same comic book flipping logo for years, Marvel Studios has a new logo that still uses the pages of comic books to start with, but the actual logo for Marvel Studios has been given a bit of a makeover. It’s nothing drastic, but it’ll be something you’ll see before every Marvel movie beginning with Doctor Strange. Plus, it comes with a brand new fanfare from a well-known Hollywood composer.

Check out the new Marvel Studios logo after the jump and find out who composed the new fanfare.


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Accompanying the trademark comic pages flipping before the studio logo is a new fanfare, and Kevin Feige revealed that composer Michael Giacchino composed the new score. You may know Michael Giacchino for composing the scores to films such as J.J. Abrams reboot of Star Trek, Brad Bird’s animated superhero adventure The Incredibles and also the TV series Lost. But now you’ll be hearing his work before every single Marvel Studios movie from now on.

Honestly, I don’t think the Marvel Studios really needed to be messed with unless it was given some kind of drastic overhaul. And the new fanfare that first debuted with Thor: The Dark World, composed by Brian Tyler, was a pretty great theme to open Marvel movies. I especially liked how the opening scene of Guardians of the Galaxy blended with the opening logo and fanfare. Here’s the old logo and fanfare for your reference:


We don’t really know the motivation behind the new logo, but we’ll just have to get used to it. Plus, you might just see your friends with a hat that has the logo on it, because everyone in Hall H received one after the panel was over.
 
Tilda Swinton Is Still Toeing the Company Line on Her Doctor Strange Casting

By Jackson McHenryFollow @mchenryjdShare14Tweet0Share1Email"Celtic" in the film. Critics of the decision, such as George Takei, have argued that Marvel is "backpedaling" when coming up for excuses for Swinton's casting, which still reflects a tendency to place white actors in Asian roles — even if Swinton's character is meant to be white, she's introduced in promo footage as the master of an Orientalized strain of magic, and stylized with East Asian accoutrements.

Talking to EW this week, Swinton stuck to the company line, as she has done before:

Anybody calling for more accurate representation of the diverse world we live in has got me standing right beside them ... I think when people see this film, they're going to see that it comes from a very diverse place, in all sorts of ways. Maybe this misunderstanding around this film has been an opportunity for that voice to be heard, and I'm not against that at all. But I do think that when people see the film, they'll see that it's not necessarily a target for that voice.

This has been part 5,413 in the series "actor says what you'd expect."

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