he shoulda ran on a fuck the government and thieving fat fucks like potus message
Dems need someone who knows how to do messaging. This is pathetic.
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The GOP doesn't care when it is their side doing the thieving though.
in this case - they do - for the last 17 years EVERYONE gets on that page
if you can - remember McCain in 2000? Or the response to John Edwards in 04 (they are all liars) and in 07 before St. Elizabeth?
even Obama in 08 - even though he wasn't populist alot of that hook was on some fuck the system stuff
its what got Trump in - and a lot of those people are still unhappy
now - only the deeply racist are happy and the anarchists
I'm not convinced, but I see your point.
They can run on that, but not in heavily republican districts... at least with any real hope of winning. Truth is that Ossoff didn't have a chance, and he did well for where it was. He could have run the best messaging you or I could come up with and still would have lost. The seat used to be Newt Gingrich's seat... that's all you gotta know right there. Everybody needs to remember that these special elections that have been happening have been for republican held seats that were given up because the people holding them were brought into the Trump cabinet, and they wouldn't have been brought into the Trump cabinet if the RNC thought that the seats were in any real danger of falling into the Democrat's hands. Trump wouldn't appoint a congressman from a purple district up in the north east or west coast, etc.
The DNC and democratic commentators, talking heads made the mistake of getting their hopes up to high and making this special election into something that it was never going to be. Lots of seats will be up for grabs 18 months from now... seats in winnable districts. The repubs will probably still hold on to the House, but the dems actually have a good chance of winning some seats back, and that will be a good message and a good starting point for 2020.... like in 2006 when it happened.
The DNC and democratic commentators, talking heads made the mistake of getting their hopes up to high and making this special election into something that it was never going to be. Lots of seats will be up for grabs 18 months from now... seats in winnable districts. The repubs will probably still hold on to the House, but the dems actually have a good chance of winning some seats back, and that will be a good message and a good starting point for 2020.... like in 2006 when it happened.
Like I said, these corporate democratic need removed and ran out the DNC!! Until they are moved out the way, the democrats have a rough road ahead of them!! I'm a big supporter of the DNC, but they have left the working people behind and the people are showing they don't support it!!
Listen they did not leave working people behind. Jon ran a very very good campaign in District six the Democrats helped him out very well I have no complaints with them. When you have a opponent that says they do not believe in livable wages and yet people still voted for her there is little the Democrats could do at that point. the only bright side with this race is there is a big chunk of Republicans who do not like trump because of how close it was but there has have to be more pain inflicted for Democrats to win this district in 18.
He only won the 6th by 1 point.
The 6th district has the most college educated whites in the GOP base.
Thank you for correcting him. I live in this district John did make a big dent but not big enough I hope he runs again in 18 by that time I think you will be over-the-top. Also like I said above his opponent said she don't believe in livable wages and people still voted for her there i s little the Democrats could do at that point. This district is trending Democrat is just one more term away.
ALL the democratic representatives are weak AF. Their messages are often not in line with what other dems are saying and they have no unifying c0re slogan or sound bite to draw attention to the horrific state of how we appear internationally or how caustic and destructive Trumps roll-backs are to the future of the country. They do ot have aperson as radical as trump to balance out the arguments - who is not a zealot.
Everyone is old. Nancy Pelosi on up. No fresh lions in the running, let alone that can win a seat. Al Frankin is the most outspoken but he is even timid when it comes to raising the alarm.
Pick a topic:
Steven Miller saying the word of the president will not be questioned
Trump refusing to acknowledge that the Russians impacted the election despite the intelligence communities affirmations
Trump blasting the mayor in England for his pathetic response to terrorism
Weapons deal with Saudi Arabia
Passing of the hose health bill
Trump attacking his own intelligence agencies
Cabinet meeting of pussy's fawning and praising Trump like this is a communist country
Trump blocking ALL USA media but meeting with Russians - WHILE his campaign is under investigation
Backing out of climate accord
Targeting the media as the enemy of the state
i could go on for 20 more examples and the Dems have yet to seize 5 of these issues to draw attention to what is going on and what they plan to do. Because they have no message and they have no plan they, in my book, are actually worse because at least the republicans will stick together and LOUDLY defend shit that they know is false and wrong to stay on message and unified. The dems have no voice, no message, no face and no clue...even though its right there for them.
Everyone is old. Nancy Pelosi on up. No fresh lions in the running, let alone that can win a seat. Al Frankin is the most outspoken but he is even timid when it comes to raising the alarm.
Pick a topic:
Steven Miller saying the word of the president will not be questioned
Trump refusing to acknowledge that the Russians impacted the election despite the intelligence communities affirmations
Trump blasting the mayor in England for his pathetic response to terrorism
Weapons deal with Saudi Arabia
Passing of the hose health bill
Trump attacking his own intelligence agencies
Cabinet meeting of pussy's fawning and praising Trump like this is a communist country
Trump blocking ALL USA media but meeting with Russians - WHILE his campaign is under investigation
Backing out of climate accord
Targeting the media as the enemy of the state
i could go on for 20 more examples and the Dems have yet to seize 5 of these issues to draw attention to what is going on and what they plan to do. Because they have no message and they have no plan they, in my book, are actually worse because at least the republicans will stick together and LOUDLY defend shit that they know is false and wrong to stay on message and unified. The dems have no voice, no message, no face and no clue...even though its right there for them.
It's not apples and oranges. It's a fundraising email not a campaign messaging email. That's what a high engagement email looks like to garner donations. ActBlue handled his email campaign. They know what they're doing. Fundraising for Dem candidates is what they do. That's the only thing they do. It's the same type of emails the Obama campaign sent out for fundraising efforts.
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That was LAST year. Everything is a campaign message right now. We're in the type of political environment right now where anything can become a media story and part of your messaging. Politics has never been covered like this. Early 2016 and before, you wouldn't even know what was in a campaign email because people, for the most part, didn't care about that shit. It's a different ball game now man.
I've been running email campaigns since the last 90 champ. I understand all about running a/b split tests and going with the one that gets the highest clickthrough+ conversion. That's short-sighted right now. You have to take the highest in the a/b split test that keeps with one consistent message. Money wasn't the problem for the dems in this special election. Congress is just as despised on both sides. You need a differentiating message to make any impact.
You keep referencing Obama. You're too smart not to get it. None of these fucking candidates are Obama and it's a HOUSE race. Look at what people's opinions of the House are right now. Obama is an outlier.
What?? The Dems left the working people during the Bill Clinton run and became what is known as corporate democrats!! If you think these politicians are for the people, there not. This government has been hi jacked since jfk!! Come on bro
It's not the candidates so much as the base. No matter what scandal a GOP rep gets caught up in, their base and 9x/10 other GOP reps and the RNC will support them. All the rep has to do is feign asking for forgiveness, mention God, and everyone rallies behind them and dares you to punish someone seeking forgiveness. Let it be a dem and other dems, their base, the GOP reps and GOP base all have their pitchforks out.
The conservatives/GOP have their own information bubble. Fox news, podcasts, talk radio, websites. Yeah they keep their base angry and afraid by painting everyone else in America as an enemy against them and therefore against God, and every now and then one might take it upon themselves to personally stop this evil by taking out a congress person or abortion provider, but it is effective.
They disregard all facts, all stats as a liberal conspiracy and fake news. They have no respect for professionals and experts, because they have been brainwashed to believe that they have a liberal bias. As long as they perceive something as striking a blow or getting a win against dems or the establishment, nothing else matters. They would vote for the right of an insurance provider to come into people's homes and shoot them if their care gets too expensive, as long as they think more black folks and other PoC would bear the brunt of it or a dem was against it.
We expect our base to be intelligent, digest info, weigh the issues, vote for the best candidate and play by the rules. The GOP base sees each candidate as marching orders to elect regardless of qualifications, and they want us to play by the rules but they modify the rule book for their own actions on the fly.
Both sides had the same issues at stake. SCOTUS seat? They wanted it MORE. No matter what Trump said or did they stood by him because they want someone who can potentially overturn Roe vs Wade and protect gun rights. Rights for POC and LGBTQ? With the exception of black women holding the line, they hate us more than we love ourselves and other PoC/immigrants/gays etc. Healthcare? We knew the GOP would dismantle it, they did too, and still voted Trump, mainly because of the first two issues I mentioned above. The economy? This is an excuse they give, but dems were the only ones with realistic plans, they are the only ones who while in office actually try to put people back to work with higher wages and more jobs vs cutting txes for the wealthy. They have access to the same stats we do as far as how much the economy, the deficit, jobs and other factors change according to what party is in power. If they voted on facts and reality, there should be no way a republican ever got elected again. They either don't believe it, or don't care in relation to their other values.
White folks, including some dems, got spooked after a black president and so many visible PoC. They see black folks doing well while they are suffering. They believe Hispanics are responsible for their poor employment prospects. They believe Muslims will turn us away from God. They see BLM and the push for racial justice as taking away their rights rather than putting us on a equal playing field. If the are aware enough not to have those specific thoughts because they recoil at the idea of them being racist, they push them away but still have an underlying dread and unease regarding PoC in power and prospering.
Our candidates aren't the problem. Someone telling you 5-7 bucks an hour is acceptable when it has been said if you make less than 10 bucks or so you can't afford to rent a two bedroom apartment in any county in this country, and can only rent a one bedroom in 12 of them vs someone who wants a living wage is a no brainer. In almost every instance dem candidates are better and more qualified. The other side isn't sane or rational, we have to get our base out, we aren't turning any of the other side dem. If healthcare, immigration, environmental issues, and racial justice hasn't done it so far, I don't know what will. All the silly folks on here ok with white folks voting to destroy the country and our standard of living who are laughing at the destruction because PoC are used to hard times and they need to get a taste of it is another coalition that needs to be done away with. The Trumpgrets are cute and funny, but using that as an excuse not to vote is not.
Until our base gets together enough to vote for POWER above all the rest of the petty stuff we are going to keep losing.
Dude look who's fighting for Obama care right now??
These folks keep spouting this corporate democrat nonsense (more than likely just repeating talking points they've heard elsewhere). Most of the dems are as liberal as they can be and that has lead to some people to leaning towards the right or just totally switching parties. If the dems were mostly made up of corporate democrats. Then such things would not be happening.
You sound a bit like the Bernie bros.
The DNC switched to the corporate motto during Bill C run for president!! Come on, everyone knows that!! That's why there's a divide in the democratic party today!! The party is no longer the party of the working people!! If you believe corporate democrats is sum made up thing, that's on you!!!
Nah, I believe the government is for the people.. But since Ronnie, the system has been rigged for the rich and powerful!! What, you okay with that??
Nowhere in my post did I say that corporate dems is something made up. What I did say is that most democrats are liberal as can be and they are the ones who make up the majority of the party.
The dems are divided because the party is made up of many different thoughts, ideals, people, etc.... than their counterpart. So to blame the divide in the democratic party simply on corporate democrats is just nonsense.
You say the dems are no longer the party of the working people but they are fighting for a lot of the things that benefit the working class folks especially the poor. I think the biggest problem with the dems is that they tend to overly represent those folks in poverty and not enough representation to represent those who are not.
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I just dont understand this dumb shit
this is all that is needed!!
1. She wants to get rid of healthcare and/or change it to some bullshit
2. She supports Trump and all of this russian scandal shit
3. She is for big business
How hard the fuck is it to keep saying this shit over and over
this is all that is needed!!1. She wants to get rid of healthcare and/or change it to some bullshit
2. She supports Trump and all of this russian scandal shit
3. She is for big business
How hard the fuck is it to keep saying this shit over and over
cacs gonna cac! , they aint in too much of a hurry to change shit , because to them it doesn't matter who wins, as long as they are both white candidates for the top job, they ultimately don't care or feel pressed enough, while we know that to be not so ,they think its all the same anyway! we know the consequences cos we feel it ultimately ,
white folks aint in no real uproar for the most part over trump ,they were just happy that a white person got back into the oval office!
no member of the white society is really trying to dismantle white supremacy ultimately ! we need to really stop expecting so much from these devils
white folks aint in no real uproar for the most part over trump ,they were just happy that a white person got back into the oval office!
no member of the white society is really trying to dismantle white supremacy ultimately ! we need to really stop expecting so much from these devils
I 'm not yet convinced the Russians didn't cause problems with cross check and the local vote yet. However regardless, black men should be the number one voting demographic along with black women, considering the issues we are up against. With the state of racial justice, the only reason someone shouldn't be voting is if they have a felony and can't in their state.
Sessions and Trump signaled what they were going to attempt to do in regards to policing, consent decrees, sentencing and civil rights. Worse case scenario with a dem you would have the status quo, but the GOP actually wants to roll back rights. They don't even pretend to want fair policing. They see us as criminals deserving of ill treatment.
You might not give a damn about LBGTQ rights, or abortion, or women's rights, or immigration, but the same candidates looking out for those people, are the same ones in most cases who will protect civil rights and push a fair policing agenda, so we need to get them elected.
For 8 years the GOP sat on Obama's judicial nominations and let the judicial system become backlogged because they didn't want liberal judges. Now there are all these vacancies to fill, they will be conservative judges who are more than willing to lock folks up and throw away the key. Yet people on this site says voting doesn't matter.
I just dont understand this dumb shit
1. She wants to get rid of healthcare and/or change it to some bullshit
2. She supports Trump and all of this russian scandal shit
3. She is for big business
How hard the fuck is it to keep saying this shit over and over
When you look at how gangster Rethugs are willing to get (such as gerrymandering, supporting outright lies, staying cohesive out of some nefarious "fear" they have, etc...), WHY AREN'T WE CONSIDERING THAT THEY HACKED Ga6 just like they CHEAT with EVERYTHING ELSE???
Dems are always assuming everything should be done fair and square, meanwhile the Rethugs always seem to have a dirty ace in the hole.
Maybe they HACKED IT???
Repubs dont give a fuck about shit; thats why I dont talk with them; anyone who thinks their way is right and everyone else is wrong are lunatics; and thats how the overwhelming majority of them feel; but Dems are too fucking nice!! just like us black folk are to fucking nice; they need to get dirty...When you look at how gangster Rethugs are willing to get (such as gerrymandering, supporting outright lies, staying cohesive out of some nefarious "fear" they have, etc...), WHY AREN'T WE CONSIDERING THAT THEY HACKED Ga6 just like they CHEAT with EVERYTHING ELSE???
Dems are always assuming everything should be done fair and square, meanwhile the Rethugs always seem to have a dirty ace in the hole.
Maybe they HACKED IT???
I'm convinced Russian interference was a major contributor to the outcome of that election. But it wasn't just them let's add in the collusion between Trump and his people with the Russians. Let's be real without the discoveries of the after election day anomalies within the voting systems Trump would've lost. The polls all had Hillary far ahead. In fact Trump even stated he thought they were about to lose. Not since Al Gore's loss has their been an election the got this much attention.
Don't get me wrong I agree with you 100%. If the Dems want to start winning back seats they better start talking to their voter bases and fight like Elizabeth Warren. Right now I see her as the brightest star the Dems have. An if they elect to oust Pelosi then they need to put all their support behind Warren.
Both parties do gerrymandering but the republican have perfected the art greatly to their advantage. Democrats should have woken up when the mastermind behind the modern republican Tom Delay began redistricting Texas districts before a new census was done.When you look at how gangster Rethugs are willing to get (such as gerrymandering, supporting outright lies, staying cohesive out of some nefarious "fear" they have, etc...), WHY AREN'T WE CONSIDERING THAT THEY HACKED Ga6 just like they CHEAT with EVERYTHING ELSE???
Dems are always assuming everything should be done fair and square, meanwhile the Rethugs always seem to have a dirty ace in the hole.
Maybe they HACKED IT???
"The Supreme Court upheld most of Texas's Republican-drafted 2003 congressional redistricting plan yesterday in a ruling that could prompt majority parties in other states to redraw political maps to their advantage.
The endorsement of the plan, which former House majority leader Tom DeLay crafted to tilt Texas's congressional delegation to the GOP, was not absolute. By a vote of 5 to 4, the court ruled that a sprawling West Texas district represented by Henry Bonilla (R) violates the Voting Rights Act because it diluted the voting power of Latinos.
But seven justices rejected at least part of the opponents' broadest contention: that the entire Texas plan is unconstitutional because the legislature rewrote a previous court-drawn map, three years after the most recent census, out of nothing more than a desire for Republican advantage.
The seven justices gave widely varying reasons for rejecting the constitutional challenge, and the court did not quite say that no such challenge could ever succeed.
But with six justices producing 123 pages of opinions, without any five of them able to agree on how to define an unconstitutional gerrymander, politicians of both parties said that the ruling leaves the door wide open to attempts to copy the DeLay strategy in other states.
"Every redistricting is a partisan political exercise, but this is going to put it at a level we have never seen," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel (Ill.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "That's the gift that the Supreme Court and Tom DeLay have given us."
They used the Florida "Chad recount" back in 2000 as an excuse for Diebold & all these other machines to be promoted and accepted.
They've been switching stuff up on the low for YEARS in my opinion with the hacking/ tampering.
Now it's on another level, and I agree it's now being done with Trump's collusion ties as well.
On the surface it seems natural for a Prez to support a congressional campaign mbr of their own party, but I don't trust ANYTHING TRUMP does...
He "flew in" to help her with the quickness...
They've been switching stuff up on the low for YEARS in my opinion with the hacking/ tampering.
Now it's on another level, and I agree it's now being done with Trump's collusion ties as well.
On the surface it seems natural for a Prez to support a congressional campaign mbr of their own party, but I don't trust ANYTHING TRUMP does...
He "flew in" to help her with the quickness...
I just dont understand this dumb shit
1. She wants to get rid of healthcare and/or change it to some bullshit
2. She supports Trump and all of this russian scandal shit
3. She is for big business
How hard the fuck is it to keep saying this shit over and over
white folks dont care, they feel if u attack Drumpf and his ways that somehow white people lose as a result! explain why so many white women voted for that bastard!
they r more comfortable seeing a whiteman mess shit up than a blackman fix it, as log as the ruler is white! so anyone aligning with the interests of whats opposite to that is seen as being in opposition to white supremacy
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