DAMN, Detroit gets hit with 'Black Flight'

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Black Flight Hits Detroit


By ALEX P. KELLOGG

DETROIT—This shrinking city needs to hang on to people like Johnette Barham: taxpaying, middle-class professionals who invest in local real estate, work and play downtown, and make their home here.

Ms. Barham just left. And she's not coming back.

In seven years as a homeowner in Detroit, she endured more than 10 burglaries and break-ins at her house and a nearby rental property she owned. Still, she defied friends' pleas to leave as she fortified her home with locks, bars, alarms and a dog.

Then, a week before Christmas, someone torched the house and destroyed almost everything she owned.

In March, police arrested a suspect in connection with the case, someone who turned out to be remarkably easy to find. For Ms. Barham, the arrest came one crime too late. "I was constantly being targeted in a way I couldn't predict, in a way that couldn't be controlled by the police," she says. "I couldn't take it anymore."

Ms. Barham's journey from diehard to defector illustrates the precarious state of Detroit today. The city—which has shed roughly 1 million residents since the 1950s—is now losing the African-American professionals who had stayed steadfastly, almost defiantly, loyal.

Through decades of white flight and economic distress, these diehards have sustained the city's cultural institutions and allowed prime neighborhoods such as Indian Village and Palmer Woods to stave off the blight that infects large swaths of Detroit.

Today, frustrated by plummeting property values and high crime, many diehards have hit their breaking point. Their exodus is consigning borderline neighborhoods to full-blown blight and putting prime residential areas at risk. By some estimates, this year's Census will show a population drop of 150,000 people from the 951,000 people who lived within city limits in 2000. That would be roughly double the population loss in the 1990s, when black, middle-class flight began replacing white flight as the prevailing dynamic.

There are other signs the middle class is throwing in the towel. From 1999 to 2008, median household income in Detroit dropped nearly 25% to $28,730, after growing 17% in the 1990s, according to Data Driven Detroit, a nonprofit that analyzes Census data for the city. Over that period, the proportion of owner-occupied homes fell to 39% from 49%, while the proportion of vacant homes nearly tripled to 28%.

"The folks with the wherewithal to leave, the folks with the jobs… those are the people that have the ability to exercise voting with your feet," says David Martin, a professor of public policy at Wayne State University in Detroit.

Further erosion of Detroit's middle-class could cripple a turnaround plan by government and private-sector leaders here. It calls for "right-sizing" the city's government and geography to fit a shrunken population. But it hinges on the city shoring up stable neighborhoods and retaining middle-class taxpayers, while converting blighted areas for such uses as parks or farms.

"All of that is kind of intertwined," says Detroit Mayor Dave Bing, a former pro basketball star and local businessman brought into office last year by an election that pushed out most of the city's old leadership. "The first stage that we want to focus on is to keep those people that are here… and then create the right type of environment that will bring those kinds of people back." Mr. Bing has seen several friends leave town.

Even the best neighborhoods are struggling to hold on. Boston-Edison was once home to Henry Ford and other auto magnates. It has a neighborhood association that enforces strict rules on home upkeep and it employs a private-security firm to patrol its mansion-lined streets.

Crime is low because of the security. But the district shows the scars of an economic and real-estate crisis that has savaged Detroit.

"When you're totally occupied you have a bigger buffer" against scourges like vandalism and blight.," says Pamela Miller Malone, president of the neighborhood association. "There's nothing like that buffer."

Atkinson Street, where Johnette Barham bought her home, was once that buffer. One block north is the southern boundary of Boston-Edison. One block south is Clairmount Street, the flashpoint of the 1967 riots. It is now a run-down boulevard with boarded-up homes and weedy lots.

Built before the Depression, Atkinson was among the few middle-class developments of its time that didn't bar blacks or Jews. Today about a quarter of the 225 homes in this historic district surrounding Ms. Barham's old house are boarded up.

Ms. Barham bought on Atkinson in 2003, when things were different. Born and raised in Detroit, she attended college and worked in Tennessee before returning to her hometown in 1996 to care for her ailing father. He died two years later.

She decided to stay, and worked as a personal assistant to Aretha Franklin before landing a $75,000-a-year post as a pharmaceutical sales rep with Abbot Laboratories. In late 2002, she invested in an $84,000 two-family rental property on Glynn Court, just a block north of Boston-Edison.

The next year, Ms. Barham purchased a 2,950-square-foot, brick Colonial at 1239 Atkinson, for just $74,900. If the rental units were an investment, she says, the house would be "an ongoing labor of love."

At the time, Detroit looked like it was going somewhere, with an ambitious downtown revitalization; new stadiums and casinos; and a budding nightlife. Billions were pumped into development during the 2000s.

Others were putting down their own roots in Detroit. Stephanie Lipscombe, 39, who worked with Ms. Barham in pharmaceutical sales, bought a condo in the city in a high-rise overlooking the Detroit River. "That was a great time to live downtown, when all the black restaurants, the mainstream black restaurants started popping up," she recalls. "It was sort of like a little glimmer of hope for Detroit."

Simon McCune, a businessman who became friends with Ms. Barham before she moved back to Detroit, bought a house in the late 1990s in East English Village, a quaint neighborhood of brick Colonial and Tudor-style houses. In a few years, the 42-year-old said he watched his block slide from a nice place to raise a family to downright unsafe.

Mr. McCune decided to leave the city for the suburbs and finally for Chicago in 2005, when his future wife refused to move to Detroit.

As for Ms. Barham, she soon learned that Atkinson was the kind of neighborhood where residents had to be vigilant. "I used to tell her I'm looking out for her," says Jon McLaughlin, 40, who lived across the street from Ms. Barham. "She'd hurry up to get in the house."

Ms. Barham befriended a local policeman, who would drive by at night to check on her. But he was soon reassigned to another precinct. After that, if Ms. Barham felt unsafe returning home late at night, she would drive to a major road, flag down a squad car and ask for an escort home.

As a single woman with a predictable schedule, Ms. Barham was an easy target for theft. There was one at the house even before she moved in, she recalls, in which a contractor she hired lost his tools. "I was just thinking, 'Oh, it's a vacant house, and somebody broke in and stole some tools,'" she recalls. "'That happens sometimes.'"

But the break-ins would become routine. One evening in February 2004, she returned home to find that her back door was busted in, and several rooms had been ransacked. Mr. McCune helped her pay a company to board up the door with plywood.

On July 17, 2005, Ms. Barham returned home around 1:30 in the morning to find her front door busted open and what she thought was a robbery in progress. She rushed back to her car to call 911 and waited there for police.

They arrived at 4:41 a.m., according to their report. Missing items included a $1,200 Dell laptop and a $385 money order. The house was dusted for fingerprints, but Ms. Barham says police never followed up with her.

Afterward, Ms. Barham had a monitored alarm system put in. But in a break-in just four months later, the alarm was ripped from the wall.

By then, Ms. Barham's friends were becoming afraid for her safety. They urged her to move out of the city, as many of them had. "I was telling her as a friend that you need to let the house go and leave the city," says Mr. McCune. "But Johnette grew up in Detroit, and she's very loyal to Detroit."

A neighbor suggested Ms. Barham get a dog, and brought over a pit-bull mix. Ms. Barham led the dog to her backyard and watched as his barking frightened a passing stranger.

"I'll take him,'" she said. She named him Diesel.

With Diesel in the yard and new bars on the windows, her home went untouched for more than three years. But over on Glynn Court, her investment was souring. Repeated car break-ins and, ultimately, a gunpoint hold-up scared away her tenants, a group of suburbanites in their 20s.

Ms. Barham chalked it up to naiveté. "They didn't have a concept of where to go and where not to go," she says.

During the five years she owned it, the two-family flat was rented for less than 12 months, and the dual mortgage payments strained her budget. After being laid off by Abbott in 2007, just as the mortgage crisis began to hit Detroit, she let the rental property go into foreclosure.

Ms. Barham worked freelance jobs until early 2009, when she found work as a clinical research coordinator at Detroit's Karmanos Cancer Institute facility.

The relative calm at 1239 Atkinson ended on a snowy Friday in January 2009 when Ms. Barham returned from a trip to the vet with her dog to discover an upstairs rear window broken. Yet another computer and sundry possessions were gone.

Police followed footprints in the snow to a house next door. James Christian, 28, who lived there with his grandmother, had just been released from Wayne County Jail after serving a 90-day sentence for a drug conviction, court records show. He had a reputation as a thief and neighbors had been complaining to police about him for years, says Robert Jeter Sr., whose house across the street had been robbed twice in the previous year and a half.

The grandmother told police that Mr. Christian wasn't home, according to the police report. Police wouldn't question Mr. Christian for a year.

The Detroit Police Department is short about 700 officers, says Warren Evans, appointed police chief in July 2009. The result is he must assign officers to the worst crimes. Homicides have dropped 25% since he took the job.

"The average Detroiter is worrying about home burglaries and auto thefts," not being shot, he says. But homicide numbers were so alarming, "that we decided to take a triage approach."

Petty theft? "I've got nobody to send to that," he said.

Even after all the burglaries, Ms. Barham says, she was determined to stay. Then came a burglary in October 2009, the first while Diesel was home.

After that, Ms. Barham couldn't sleep at night. She made sure Diesel slept next to her bed. She hid her valuables. She replaced locks and two doors.

On Dec. 17, Mr. McLaughlin, her neighbor, had lit a cigarette and was warming up his car when he peered across the street at Ms. Barham's house and noticed flames behind the living-room curtain. He ran back inside and called 911. Another neighbor phoned Ms. Barham at work.

When she arrived at the house, five fire trucks were there. Feeling almost ashamed to face her neighbors, she watched from her car as her home burned. The firefighters found Diesel and her cat, Tinker, upstairs in her bedroom, dead.

Ms. Barham spent almost two months at the home of her friend Michele Robinson in suburban Plymouth, Mich. Ms. Robinson, 40, born and raised in Detroit, had urged Ms. Barham to leave the city.

Ms. Robinson has watched in recent years as her father's home was burglarized twice, his car was repeatedly stolen and he was held up at gunpoint at his Detroit home. She looked at homes in some historic Detroit neighborhoods in 2003 but eventually decided to buy a $650,000, 5,800-square-foot house in Plymouth, an affluent western suburb. "I could have gotten, literally, 10,000 square feet for what I paid for my house in Plymouth," says Ms. Robinson, who moved to Atlanta last month. But "I didn't feel comfortable."

In February, Ms. Barham returned to the house on Atkinson along with her boyfriend. She plucked a few items from the ashes. Down in the basement, the copper pipes had been stripped by scavengers. On an earlier visit, she'd retrieved her late mother's Bible.

Today, Ms. Barham lives in temporary housing, a tiny condo provided by State Farm Insurance in suburban West Bloomfield, about 20 miles northwest of her old house, while she negotiates her insurance settlement. She doesn't know where she plans to move for good.

Mr. McCune says Ms. Barham was the last person in his circle of about 40 friends to leave Detroit.

Aside from work, Ms. Barham now rarely ventures into Detroit. But she makes sure to be there whenever James Christian is in court.

Police arrested Mr. Christian in March, roughly two weeks after The Wall Street Journal requested records on the Barham cases. They found the 5-foot-6, 220-pound man hiding under the bed in an upstairs bedroom of his grandmother's house. He surrendered without incident, asking only for medication to treat his asthma.

Within hours, police say, Mr. Christian confessed to the two robberies at Mr. Jeter's home and the January 2009 break-in at Ms. Barham's house. He also told police he was one of a handful of people inside Ms. Barham's house when it was set afire. Under an agreement with prosecutors, he pleaded guilty to one count of second-degree home invasion and was to serve 90 days in jail.

But in late May, a judge threw out the plea after Ms. Barham spoke in court. Mr. Christian was arraigned for the arson, a felony, the next day. He heads back to court next week.

Days after the arrest, Ms. Barham was summoned to give a statement at the 10th Precinct station. There, she related for two officers the events that led her from a home on Atkinson to a condo in the suburbs.

"Wow," she recalls one officer saying. "I would've moved out of the city after the second one."

The officer quickly recanted. ""You're brave," he said. "Plus, someone's got to live in the city."

"I looked at him and I said, 'I put my time in,'" Ms. Barham recalls. "And I walked out."
 
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I want you all to seriously look at what is happening... somethings that the news isnt reporting because they dont want you to know this

if this city is so dead end.. why is it that all the property is getting bought up by white people... why is it that the white man is constantly building up downtown detroit... why is it that the white man is paying money to construct a 2nd bridge to Canada... what major city has 3 casinos that are making money on the scale of the Vegas casinos... these white people arent putting money into something that they think they will lose money on.. why because Detroit is going to be a major port city in the country... you doubt me.. Detroit is the only US city that has access to all 5 great lakes... if you go downtown you still see major commerce traveling up and down the Detroit River daily... they are building new piers downtown just for traffic to stop here... they want the blacks to move out... so the whites can move back in... they see the gold mine that is going to strike and when it does they want first crack at it... its all systematic and if people stop looking at what is printed and spewed on the news and really do some research they will not be falling for this okie doke... reason why I am closing on 3 houses in Rosedale Park... for you outsiders do some research on the sub0-division of Rosedale Park the people from Detroit already know what that area is like...
 
all i can say is look at New Orleans and the rebuilding efforts that happen there.. and look at Detroit and how much money these crackas are still pumpin into getting things built... but this is a dead city... you dummies really need to learn the system you are dealing with... look between the lines not at what they want you you see... I am going to go Downtown and take pictures of everything that is newly built within the last 5 years (a good timeframe of this city being a shyt hole in the medias eyes...)
 
never been there but from what i see on bgol,fuck that place:dunno:

:hmm: That's home! Fuck the bullshit. My sister is still there, no problems, all my aunts & uncles, cousins still there, no problems. My family not there because of the military. It's all on where you live @ in the city. Times is real hard for Detroit right now, but it will get better when the big corporations decide to finally put money back into the D.
 
all i can say is look at New Orleans and the rebuilding efforts that happen there.. and look at Detroit and how much money these crackas are still pumpin into getting things built... but this is a dead city... you dummies really need to learn the system you are dealing with... look between the lines not at what they want you you see... I am going to go Downtown and take pictures of everything that is newly built within the last 5 years (a good timeframe of this city being a shyt hole in the medias eyes...)

look at what happened in
new orleans, no
baltimore, md
washington, dc
brooklyn, ny
harlem, NY

and others...


its not that hard to see.
 
Why is this news? This has been happening in every formerly major Midwestern city for 50 years.

honestly its news because of the reasons I stated.... they want people to think the whole city is a refugee camp and want every1 to leave so THEY can come in and make a killing off of them when (after the transformation) they come back...

and funny that all these INTELLECTS on BGOL are really feeding into it..
 

honestly its news because of the reasons I stated.... they want people to think the whole city is a refugee camp and want every1 to leave so THEY can come in and make a killing off of them when (after the transformation) they come back...

and funny that all these INTELLECTS on BGOL are really feeding into it..

Preach
 
I want you all to seriously look at what is happening... somethings that the news isnt reporting because they dont want you to know this

if this city is so dead end.. why is it that all the property is getting bought up by white people... why is it that the white man is constantly building up downtown detroit... why is it that the white man is paying money to construct a 2nd bridge to Canada... what major city has 3 casinos that are making money on the scale of the Vegas casinos... these white people arent putting money into something that they think they will lose money on.. why because Detroit is going to be a major port city in the country... you doubt me.. Detroit is the only US city that has access to all 5 great lakes... if you go downtown you still see major commerce traveling up and down the Detroit River daily... they are building new piers downtown just for traffic to stop here... they want the blacks to move out... so the whites can move back in... they see the gold mine that is going to strike and when it does they want first crack at it... its all systematic and if people stop looking at what is printed and spewed on the news and really do some research they will not be falling for this okie doke... reason why I am closing on 3 houses in Rosedale Park... for you outsiders do some research on the sub0-division of Rosedale Park the people from Detroit already know what that area is like...

I believe you but damn your own people make it too hard for a decent person to live in one of those neighborhoods.
 
Either you can believe this bulls*it coming from New York City...

Or, you can believe people who actually know Detroit.

The reason why the whites are so intent on running Detroit down is because they NEED Detroit.

Detroit doesn't NEED whites.
Detroit doesn't NEED their corporations.
Detroit doesn't NEED their Wall Street.
Detroit doesn't NEED their Federal government.
Detroit doesn't NEED their banks.
So far, Detroit doesn't NEED their help.

But, they all NEED Detroit.

They also NEED black people to leave the city so the whites can get it back.

It's not going to happen. If they've not gotten it in 40 years, they will NEVER get it.

Too bad honkeys! You blew it!

:hmm: That's home! Fuck the bullshit. My sister is still there, no problems, all my aunts & uncles, cousins still there, no problems. My family not there because of the military. It's all on where you live @ in the city. Times is real hard for Detroit right now, but it will get better when the big corporations decide to finally put money back into the D.

HONKEYS LOVE pissing on Detroit.

Those cowards abandoned the city and then realized their mistake. Now they want to talk all this stuff to try and scare people out of Detroit. If whites stopped being such racist dogs, maybe more people would leave. But, whites want to be racist AND get people out of Detroit. You can't have it both ways and they refuse to acknowledge this.

We know what is really happening. I say, let the rest of the whites wallow in their ignorance and hatred. The last thing Detroit needs is all these whites coming here with their credit and their investments and their phony jobs and their fake lifestyles trying to remake the city according to their white supermacist philosophy.
 
I want you all to seriously look at what is happening... somethings that the news isnt reporting because they dont want you to know this

if this city is so dead end.. why is it that all the property is getting bought up by white people... why is it that the white man is constantly building up downtown detroit... why is it that the white man is paying money to construct a 2nd bridge to Canada... what major city has 3 casinos that are making money on the scale of the Vegas casinos... these white people arent putting money into something that they think they will lose money on.. why because Detroit is going to be a major port city in the country... you doubt me.. Detroit is the only US city that has access to all 5 great lakes... if you go downtown you still see major commerce traveling up and down the Detroit River daily... they are building new piers downtown just for traffic to stop here... they want the blacks to move out... so the whites can move back in... they see the gold mine that is going to strike and when it does they want first crack at it... its all systematic and if people stop looking at what is printed and spewed on the news and really do some research they will not be falling for this okie doke... reason why I am closing on 3 houses in Rosedale Park... for you outsiders do some research on the sub0-division of Rosedale Park the people from Detroit already know what that area is like...

C/S

Detroit has been shitted on so tough in the last few years it's amazing. You pretty much summed up what I've been saying forever. They HAD to get Kwame out of office and get someone back into office that would continue out Archer's plan. While Kwame was no Coleman, one thing that the two shared was not giving over control to L Brooks. Archer was and now Bing is slowly handing over control. The city council was on board with Archer and Kwame came in and went totally against that plan and that is one reason why the council was so against him.

Every city has a certain level of corruption, I don't see how anyone with intelligence does not understand that those who are really wealthy did not get that way by playing by the rules. Detroit got exposed as a city due to the fact they wanted Kwame out.

4 years ago they did a story on how people as far as Europe was buying houses in BULK, sight unseen, just to have property here when the market went back up. Detroit was not the only place that was suffering from the real estate crash back then, those people just understood economics.

As is stands, Detroit exporting is LARGER than NY & Cali, but people don't seem to understand what that means.
 
Also C/S to what Cruise said about whites needing Detroit. Let's take a different look at things.

In the past I remember them putting a water restriction on GA due to lakes drying up because of lack of rain or whatever....

Look at all the natural disasters plaguing the rest of the US. Southern regions hit by hurricanes and what not. Western regions dealing with tornado's and wildfires and such. What really happens up here? An occasional tornado is about it.

One thing Michigan has is water, the most needed resource. We will never run out of it, not to mention we have nuclear plants, meaning we will always have power.

And yet so much exporting HAS to go thru the Detroit river, so why can't people understand just how important that is.

Black's control Detroit, a city that has a lot of control over things and you cant see how that makes White's uncomfortable?

Maybe I'm not the best at explaining things, but I still understand exactly what is going on.

Name me another Black controlled city that has as much power over the rest of the US.
 
I want you all to seriously look at what is happening... somethings that the news isnt reporting because they dont want you to know this

if this city is so dead end.. why is it that all the property is getting bought up by white people... why is it that the white man is constantly building up downtown detroit... why is it that the white man is paying money to construct a 2nd bridge to Canada... what major city has 3 casinos that are making money on the scale of the Vegas casinos... these white people arent putting money into something that they think they will lose money on.. why because Detroit is going to be a major port city in the country... you doubt me.. Detroit is the only US city that has access to all 5 great lakes... if you go downtown you still see major commerce traveling up and down the Detroit River daily... they are building new piers downtown just for traffic to stop here... they want the blacks to move out... so the whites can move back in... they see the gold mine that is going to strike and when it does they want first crack at it... its all systematic and if people stop looking at what is printed and spewed on the news and really do some research they will not be falling for this okie doke... reason why I am closing on 3 houses in Rosedale Park... for you outsiders do some research on the sub0-division of Rosedale Park the people from Detroit already know what that area is like...

i feel you man. but the problem is that to live in the city right now is crazy. most of the city is just not safe period. and that includes rosedale park.
 
I believe you but damn your own people make it too hard for a decent person to live in one of those neighborhoods.

yo read that article again... that article talks about one lady who has had misfortune... I am 35 years old.. lived here my entire life (with the exception of 8 years - 6 military and 2 in MD) so in 27 years of my life living in this city I have never had any property of mines broken into (house, car) hell I can count on one hand of all the people that I know in my immediate inner circle that have been burglarized... and I have lived in some good places and some bad places... hell I grew up in the Herman Garden Projects (people from the city know the area) not once anything happened to me over there.. I currently live in Grandmont Park community... and before you think its a white area.. it is between Schoolcraft and Puritan... the thing is we just have a neighborhood that doesnt put up with that shyt and shut it down before anything happens... then in the article a officer told her she should of been left.. hmmm i bet that officer was white and didnt live in the city...

like someone else stated.. blacks have been moving out of major midwestern cities for decades yet detroit always seems to be in the news... you need to ask yourself why is that and do some real research...
 
C/S

Detroit has been shitted on so tough in the last few years it's amazing. You pretty much summed up what I've been saying forever. They HAD to get Kwame out of office and get someone back into office that would continue out Archer's plan. While Kwame was no Coleman, one thing that the two shared was not giving over control to L Brooks. Archer was and now Bing is slowly handing over control. The city council was on board with Archer and Kwame came in and went totally against that plan and that is one reason why the council was so against him.

man. kwame did it to himself. gtfo. :hmm:

and archer QUIT after his term ended. he would have won if he had run again. if there was such a grand scheme he would not have quit.
 
yo read that article again... that article talks about one lady who has had misfortune... I am 35 years old.. lived here my entire life (with the exception of 8 years - 6 military and 2 in MD) so in 27 years of my life living in this city I have never had any property of mines broken into (house, car) hell I can count on one hand of all the people that I know in my immediate inner circle that have been burglarized... and I have lived in some good places and some bad places... hell I grew up in the Herman Garden Projects (people from the city know the area) not once anything happened to me over there.. I currently live in Grandmont Park community... and before you think its a white area.. it is between Schoolcraft and Puritan... the thing is we just have a neighborhood that doesnt put up with that shyt and shut it down before anything happens... then in the article a officer told her she should of been left.. hmmm i bet that officer was white and didnt live in the city...

like someone else stated.. blacks have been moving out of major midwestern cities for decades yet detroit always seems to be in the news... you need to ask yourself why is that and do some real research...

dude for every one of your stories i have another one on the flip side of the coin.
 
all i can say is look at New Orleans and the rebuilding efforts that happen there.. and look at Detroit and how much money these crackas are still pumpin into getting things built... but this is a dead city... you dummies really need to learn the system you are dealing with... look between the lines not at what they want you you see... I am going to go Downtown and take pictures of everything that is newly built within the last 5 years (a good timeframe of this city being a shyt hole in the medias eyes...)

LOL, no shit.

White folks are snatching up property left and right, but only in the better areas.

Don't let them fool you there are some nice azz homes and condos in Detroit and now is the time to grab this shit.

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man. kwame did it to himself. gtfo. :hmm:

and archer QUIT after his term ended. he would have won if he had run again. if there was such a grand scheme he would not have quit.

Maybe you misunderstand what I am saying. Indeed Kwame did it to himself, not saying he didn't, but the news and the council was on his head from the time he stepped into office. Even before a lot of his dirt came out, how do you even think they knew about his dirt, they were watching him tough.

Yes Archer did quit, why? He got out before the shit hit the fan. I hope you don't truly believe that Kwame fucked the city up all by himself. Come on now bruh, Detroit was in the hole when Kwame came into office. Archer was about his image and if the shit came out on his watch, would have stained his image. He had bigger plans than just being mayor of Detroit, so he knew when it was time to throw in his hand, let someone else take the fall. Archer was just smart.

A lot of the school boards fuck ups happenned on Archer's watch. I know that for a fact.
 
dude for every one of your stories i have another one on the flip side of the coin.

c/s Let not bullshit ourselves. The cities whether it's Detroit, Bmore, Phila etc.....are not so safe and have failing schools. People want better for their kids/themselves and have grown tired/frustrated with dealing with fools/nonsense.
 
never been there but from what i see on bgol,fuck that place:dunno:

You have no idea kid, that shit is like a war zone(I move there back in 1998/i was about to transfer to wayne state at the time).

Them robot cops movies were dead on...

The three months I spend there, mostly on(chicago and wyoming) was enough for me :smh:

It's the city of crackheads, next to bmore
 
Maybe you misunderstand what I am saying. Indeed Kwame did it to himself, not saying he didn't, but the news and the council was on his head from the time he stepped into office. Even before a lot of his dirt came out, how do you even think they knew about his dirt, they were watching him tough.

Yes Archer did quit, why? He got out before the shit hit the fan. I hope you don't truly believe that Kwame fucked the city up all by himself. Come on now bruh, Detroit was in the hole when Kwame came into office. Archer was about his image and if the shit came out on his watch, would have stained his image. He had bigger plans than just being mayor of Detroit, so he knew when it was time to throw in his hand, let someone else take the fall. Archer was just smart.

A lot of the school boards fuck ups happenned on Archer's watch. I know that for a fact.

i agree with all you have stated. but most of this shit grew to fester under coleman young. coleman had a fall guy and that is why he spent no time in jail.
 
dude for every one of your stories i have another one on the flip side of the coin.

You could say that about any city.

But, why is Detroit so special that New York City takes such a special interest in it?

I believe New York City has always felt a certain jealousy toward Detroit, going all the way back to the late 19th century.

They never liked the fact Detroit didn't need nor depend on New York City. And, Detroit could rival its national importance, especially for manufacturing, production, and trade.

Unlike Chicago, Detroit is an export city. New York City is an export city. In fact, Detroit is as big an export city as New York City.

You add in the racism element, and the fact Detroit is not controlled by whites, and you have a non-stop cold war that has been raging since the Revolution of 1967.

Detroiters know the real deal. Either you can believe them about what is happening, or believe the propaganda coming from its enemies.

c/s Let not bullshit ourselves. The cities whether it's Detroit, Bmore, Phila etc.....are not so safe and have failing schools. People want better for their kids/themselves and have grown tired/frustrated with dealing with fools/nonsense.

Crime could be eliminated in Detroit with the quickness. But, that would threaten too many "white" interests around the country.

Just be aware that many of Detroit's problems are entirely manufactured by whites and their rampant racism manifested in a 40 years-long economic, media, and social warfare cycle.

You have no idea kid, that shit is like a war zone(I move there back in 1998/i was about to transfer to wayne state at the time).

Them robot cops movies were dead on...

The three months I spend there, mostly on(chicago and wyoming) was enough for me :smh:

It's the city of crackheads, next to bmore

Please, spread the word.

We need more people like you keeping up the fear and the hate.

If you could just get as many people as possible not to come, invest, or live in Detroit... you would be doing a great service.

Detroit is everything you say and everything you believe. I am so glad you are here to spread your truth and knowledge.

Good job!
 
Well no shit, you were living in the fucking ghetto.

:lol:

:lol::lol: same thing I said... he was transferring to WSU yet he lived on Chi/Wyo area... bwhahaaaa you must had horrible credit and had to take what you could afford.. why not get something closer to the campus in the New Center area..
 
You could say that about any city.

But, why is Detroit so special that New York City takes such a special interest in it?

I believe New York City has always felt a certain jealousy toward Detroit, going all the way back to the late 19th century.

They never liked the fact Detroit didn't need nor depend on New York City. And, Detroit could rival its national importance, especially for manufacturing, production, and trade.

Unlike Chicago, Detroit is an export city. New York City is an export city. In fact, Detroit is as big an export city as New York City.

You add in the racism element, and the fact Detroit is not controlled by whites, and you have a non-stop cold war that has been raging since the Revolution of 1967.

Detroiters know the real deal. Either you can believe them about what is happening, or believe the propaganda coming from its enemies.



Crime could be eliminated in Detroit with the quickness. But, that would threaten too many "white" interests around the country.

Just be aware that many of Detroit's problems are entirely manufactured by whites and their rampant racism manifested in a 40 years-long economic, media, and social warfare cycle.

dude, i know the city inside and out. and i put in my work and do what is necessary.

there are some merits to what you say but in other areas you sound crazy as hell.

and detroit's problems are not all race based. many of detroit's issues are symptoms of the constituents that just don't give a fuck. i have plenty of stories. but one simple observation is why don't mofo's take simple pride and take care of their OWN damn property. they LIVE there. cut the damn grass and pick up the damn litter. there are no white folks holding the black man down and forcing them not to take care of their property....
 
I want you all to seriously look at what is happening... somethings that the news isnt reporting because they dont want you to know this

if this city is so dead end.. why is it that all the property is getting bought up by white people... why is it that the white man is constantly building up downtown detroit... why is it that the white man is paying money to construct a 2nd bridge to Canada... what major city has 3 casinos that are making money on the scale of the Vegas casinos... these white people arent putting money into something that they think they will lose money on.. why because Detroit is going to be a major port city in the country... you doubt me.. Detroit is the only US city that has access to all 5 great lakes... if you go downtown you still see major commerce traveling up and down the Detroit River daily... they are building new piers downtown just for traffic to stop here... they want the blacks to move out... so the whites can move back in... they see the gold mine that is going to strike and when it does they want first crack at it... its all systematic and if people stop looking at what is printed and spewed on the news and really do some research they will not be falling for this okie doke... reason why I am closing on 3 houses in Rosedale Park... for you outsiders do some research on the sub0-division of Rosedale Park the people from Detroit already know what that area is like...

I said this very thing years ago. Got folks running out in droves because the true wealth and value of the city isn't spoken on.
 
dude, i know the city inside and out. and i put in my work and do what is necessary.

there are some merits to what you say but in other areas you sound crazy as hell.:yes::lol::lol:

and detroit's problems are not all race based. many of detroit's issues are symptoms of the constituents that just don't give a fuck. i have plenty of stories. but one simple observation is why don't mofo's take simple pride and take care of their OWN damn property. they LIVE there. cut the damn grass and pick up the damn litter. there are no white folks holding the black man down and forcing them not to take care of their property....
like a mutherfucker
c/s
 
I want you all to seriously look at what is happening... somethings that the news isnt reporting because they dont want you to know this

if this city is so dead end.. why is it that all the property is getting bought up by white people... why is it that the white man is constantly building up downtown detroit... why is it that the white man is paying money to construct a 2nd bridge to Canada... what major city has 3 casinos that are making money on the scale of the Vegas casinos... these white people arent putting money into something that they think they will lose money on.. why because Detroit is going to be a major port city in the country... you doubt me.. Detroit is the only US city that has access to all 5 great lakes... if you go downtown you still see major commerce traveling up and down the Detroit River daily... they are building new piers downtown just for traffic to stop here... they want the blacks to move out... so the whites can move back in... they see the gold mine that is going to strike and when it does they want first crack at it... its all systematic and if people stop looking at what is printed and spewed on the news and really do some research they will not be falling for this okie doke... reason why I am closing on 3 houses in Rosedale Park... for you outsiders do some research on the sub0-division of Rosedale Park the people from Detroit already know what that area is like...

dawg, everyone understands you buy when everyone else sells
that is just common sense

the question is, how long can you sit on a property not making any money

how long before Detroit becomes a major "port city"

the white man you talking about buying up the land is either someone with deep pockets or a company.

for the individual investor, shit is too risky.
the average person doesn't have to cash reserves to sit on a property for years not making any money.

you best bet is to watch the situation closely and get in just before the boom starts.

 
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