****Cosby gives Michael Eric Dyson the finger - literally!****

[magnetic god]

Here's my story.

My ex was graduating from Hampton Univ, and Cosby was the guest speaker 4 years ago. Cosby gave the same now famous rant complaining about what heads standing on the street corner are doing, talking about this and that and how its plain wrong.

I along with many of the other folks watching this wondered why he's bothering to tell these kids who didn't do any of those things. Exactly what was he imparting to their futures?

I'm tired of these baseless rants from people who think their money and donations make them impervious to criticism. He's a fukkin comedian for christ sake. He is not a socieologist who speaks in depth on our deep rooted problems. He's a fukkin comedian who goes as far as pointing his finger at the obvious many of us are all aware of. I don't care to hear about Cosby growing up poor. His poor back then isn't MY poor.

And it's you niqqas in the "He's right" congregation that get swept up by these do nothing sermons where you come in and leave with no plan.


"At least we're talking about it."......that's bullshyt. I'm tired of hearing us talk about it. Cosby isn't doing anything new bringing these things up. I'm tired of the finger pointing. "Look there they are!!!" How many times are we going to pat someone on the back for pointing to the obvious?

I could not agree with you more brother. This is the same man who was drugging young black college women, in the attempt to get some pussy. Same man who stepped out on his black wife, in the process of drugging these women(and bangin others), yet THIS is the man with the moral compass? As a people in this country, it wouldn't hurt for us to be a bit more critical in our thinking.

 

[bromack1]

What makes you think that?

You have some study or proof white support nerdy types moreso than any other group? Let's be real here. There are things that are inherently AMERICAN that many of us buy into believing they're black only problems. Ask the nerdy white types how much they've been ostrasized by "jocks" and other students for not being "cool."

So lets stop making the black community to be anything different than average americans overall.

Uh... I don't know about you but I went to an "all" white college.... I can tell you stories about how in certain classes I was the only "black" male there while any of the other blacks were female.

And lets consider the fact that in college there are plenty of brilliant white boys their.... I can assure you they did not "wake up" on there first day of college. They started young... probably got called "nerds" a few times but it was by the minority and not the majority.

Don't need a study to prove my point.... I saw it with my "own" 2 eyes.

 

[Big Chee]

Uh... I don't know about you but I went to an "all" white college.... I can tell you stories about how in certain classes I was the only "black" male there while any of the other blacks were female.

And lets consider the fact that in college there are plenty of brilliant white boys their.... I can assure you they did not "wake up" on there first day of college. They started young... probably got called "nerds" a few times but it was by the minority and not the majority.

Don't need a study to prove my point.... I saw it with my "own" 2 eyes.

I went to an all white college as well.

But so what? What is it about your story that proves anything outside of saying you attended a white university? What about the white male experience coming up did you elaborate on "with your own eyes"?

Couldn't the same be said about some who attended a black college?

What's your point?

 

[TRUFICTION]

Huh?? Dyson has written a number of fine, incisive books dealing with various aspects of Black America over the last decade-plus and contributed far more (in sociological and intellectual ways) to the discourse about racial matters in the U.S. than Cosby has during the same era (when he was paying off his white baby-momma).

HELL HAS FINALLY FROZEN OVER
BECAUSE YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY CORRECT.

CO FUCKIN SIGN !

 

[respiration]

Yes we would, but he's hiding from that discussion....................WHY?

Did Cosby himself tell you that? You seem to presume a lot.

 

[TRUFICTION]

Did Cosby himself tell you that? You seem to presume a lot.

HE HAS BEEN OPENLY CHALLENGED ON NATIONAL TELEVISION AND RADIO
TO A DEBATE DEALING WITH THIS SUBJECT
HE HAS NOT AND WILL NOT ACCEPT
HE WILL NOT FAIR WELL
WITH HIS BULLSHIT RHETORIC.

BILL COSBY IS A "ONE TRICK PONY"

 

[oldirty]

I got Mad respect 4 both of these brothers but sometime dyson thinks he's so smart he stupid !! i side with cosby cause black folks we us etc etc need to stand up look in the mirror and correct our wrongs b4 always blaming someone else we got power!! the biggest problem is we don't know how to use it!!

 

[CidHamet]

People that defend bad grammar and thugin' as exceptable behavior need to get the finger. I agree with Cosby 100 percent. I don't expect Cosby to be a "saint" like I don't expect my president to be saint either. The people that say Cosby is wrong just don't like hearing the truth.

Agree with everything except...

my president

you can have him.

 

[Drayonis]

Agree with everything except...



you can have him.

I meant Bill Clinton not George Bush....

 

[The Black HHH]

Dyson is a fag.

Cosby > Dyson
"Fry that chicken" lady > Dyson

 

[respiration]

HE HAS BEEN OPENLY CHALLENGED ON NATIONAL TELEVISION AND RADIO
TO A DEBATE DEALING WITH THIS SUBJECT
HE HAS NOT AND WILL NOT ACCEPT
HE WILL NOT FAIR WELL
WITH HIS BULLSHIT RHETORIC.

BILL COSBY IS A "ONE TRICK PONY"

Thank you for providing that info. Still, a non-acknowledgment does not necessarily equate to "running away". It could well be that he is avoiding him. It just as well may be that he doesn't respect the way Dyson is coming at him (mocking the way he speaks, naming a book after him etc). Or it may be something else. In any case, unless or until Cosby does give his side of the convo he and Dyson had, all anyone is left with is one side of the story.

I have respect for both of them for various things. I wish kats like that could respectfully disagree with each other on method- minus the personal attacks - and still be able to ally for the cause.

In a perfect world, I guess...

 

[drugzmoneygunz]

Dyson iz one phony nigaz
anybody got the clip when Suge Knight put him in his place about writen books on 2 pac "u never meet pac"

 

[femmenoire]

We had Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Dubois, Malcolm X talked about MLK Jr...I guess it was just their turn.

I believe these dialogues are indeed necessary and I'm a fan of both but what does it really resolve?

 

[BigUnc]

I don't know if it's going to solve anything Madam but I do know i'm not allowing these kind of comments from the Bill Cosby's of the world to go unanswered anymore. For him to unleash broad personal attacks on people he doesn't know nor understand then cry foul and pout when the blowback occurs indicates to me someone that wasn't ready to step into the arena in the first place. I believe he's just a sad angry old man looking to make some kind of name for himself among the black elite cause his star is rapidly fading with common folk.

 

[Chris]

If someone's words and actions don't match up, that makes them a fraud in my eyes. And Cosby's words and actions are not matching up.

He uses a public platform to discuss the disrespectful treatment of women, but is accused of drugging a woman to satiate his own lust in a house he shares w/his wife. I guess no woman is worthy of respect or courtesy when in his crib.

He also uses that same public platform to discuss bad parenting. Yet, one of his daughters was on Donahue in the late 80's discussing her cocaine addiction and her encounters w/Mike Tyson. But I suppose he was too busy portraying Cliff Huxtable to be bothered w/his real life child.

He financially supported a child of one of his mistresses eventhough he claims not to be the father.

He claims to be a proponent of education, and has made some of the most ignorant comments that rival KKK propaganda such as what parents choose to name their children. Not to mention he is quite sluggish in his speech.

To me, Cosby is a failure at the most important aspects of life except maybe financial success. I don't listen to or follow in the footsteps of those I don't respect. At least have enough humility to admit your own shortcomings and missteps. It baffles me how noone is taking him to task about his own failures and still lining his pockets by booking him for speaking gigs. It just goes to show you that fraudulence and immorality is rewarded moreso than decency.

 

[Profit]

We had Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Dubois, Malcolm X talked about MLK Jr...I guess it was just their turn.

I believe these dialogues are indeed necessary and I'm a fan of both but what does it really resolve?

Exactamundo! Why do so many of you feel the need to choose sides. They both have many very valid points and both are off on a few. Instead of turning a blind eye to the realness that Cos is saying because you feel he's hypocritical OR Dyson because you think he got rich off Cosby's name or whatever - LISTEN TO THEIR UNDERLYING MESSAGES.

One is strong on cause, the other is focused on effect. Both have to be addressed before we see any type of meaningful progress within our community.

We should be encouraging these brothers to merge and work together for solutions. Hopefully we all realize this is a much bigger issue than some Jay-Z vs. Nas / Pac vs. Big type shit. That's how some of you are making it seem.

 

[Profit]

If someone's words and actions don't match up, that makes them a fraud in my eyes. And Cosby's words and actions are not matching up.

He uses a public platform to discuss the disrespectful treatment of women, but is accused of drugging a woman to satiate his own lust in a house he shares w/his wife. I guess no woman is worthy of respect or courtesy when in his crib.

He also uses that same public platform to discuss bad parenting. Yet, one of his daughters was on Donahue in the late 80's discussing her cocaine addiction and her encounters w/Mike Tyson. But I suppose he was too busy portraying Cliff Huxtable to be bothered w/his real life child.

He financially supported a child of one of his mistresses eventhough he claims not to be the father.

He claims to be a proponent of education, and has made some of the most ignorant comments that rival KKK propaganda such as what parents choose to name their children. Not to mention he is quite sluggish in his speech.

To me, Cosby is a failure at the most important aspects of life except maybe financial success. I don't listen to or follow in the footsteps of those I don't respect. At least have enough humility to admit your own shortcomings and missteps. It baffles me how noone is taking him to task about his own failures and still lining his pockets by booking him for speaking gigs. It just goes to show you that fraudulence and immorality is rewarded moreso than decency.

Guess the only person whose critical statements can hold any weight is Jesus. Just cuz you don't like the messenger doesn't mean the message isnt true.

But...

I don't know that he drugged some woman and won't codemn him for it. If it were that important to her, she wouldn't have took hush money and tried to put him in jail.

The woman went to police about a year later, but Montgomery County prosecutors declined to file criminal charges. She has been identified in court documents, but The Associated Press does not publish names of alleged sexual assault victims without their consent.

I don't think Tyson raped that bitch, I don't think Pac raped that bitch, and yeah... I don't think Cosby raped that bitch.

Kobe... well, he scored 115 points in the last 2 games

 

[D-Nice 1]

shit, i'm still waiting to find out what Cosby has done for Philadelphia.

I'm hip.

Biggest social cancer with the most relevance to Cos and he's yet to throw any meaningful effort to make change in that direction.

Cos is played and needs to just write checks and shut the fuck straight up.

D-Nice 1 (The Nice One)

 

[D-Nice 1]

Exactamundo! Why do so many of you feel the need to choose sides. They both have many very valid points and both are off on a few. Instead of turning a blind eye to the realness that Cos is saying because you feel he's hypocritical OR Dyson because you think he got rich off Cosby's name or whatever - LISTEN TO THEIR UNDERLYING MESSAGES.

One is strong on cause, the other is focused on effect. Both have to be addressed before we see any type of meaningful progress within our community.

We should be encouraging these brothers to merge and work together for solutions. Hopefully we all realize this is a much bigger issue than some Jay-Z vs. Nas / Pac vs. Big type shit. That's how some of you are making it seem.

I agree that we need the truth (from flawed individuals and others). But the biggest problem with Cos is the timing (in my opinion).

Back when this brother had NBC (basically) under his thumb and was in the middle of building his vast wealth, he played it safe. Never once did you hear the shit you hear now and THIS was in the MIDST of the blossoming CRACK EXPLOSION, Afro-Economic disenfranchisement and disentegrating education in the mid to late 80's. Older cats will remember that this is when everyone got the sense that the Civil Rights Wave had SERIOUSLY began to ebb.

No, this cat cleaved to a fuckin' SIT-COM that went 5 years longer than it should've and made it "socially relevant" by casting a dark-skinned, hip-hopper cousin to live with the family and bring her hip-hopper friends around to deal with "real issues". Fuck that.

IMO, when the man had the chance to run his mouth, he went for the dough. So, by his formula, he should keep his mouth shut and help by using that dough.....PERIOD. Write checks to back people that are saying the right things and skip your ass on out to Malibu someplace and leave things be.

We have PLENTY of people TRULY willing to be on the front lines.....they could just use his money to keep the fight going.

I'm done.

D-Nice 1 (The Nice One)

 

[BENBRIZZLE]

last i checked most folks don't praise drug dealers, and MOST of the world doesn't live in Philadelphia, so educate me.

WELL THE LAST TIME YOU CHECK IT MUST NOT HAVE BEEN BET RAP CITY OR LISTEN TO 90% OF MUSICOUT HERE A BUNCH OF YOUNG MEN GLORIFING THE GANGASTA DRUG DEALER LIFE TO THE POINT WERE DRUG DEALERS ARE ACCEPTED IN A LOT OF CIRCLES.

 

[greygoose]

ionno about all these commments.

but that brother looked like chris rock in taht movie boomerang. top higher than the damn eifel tower

 

[LeftyLuchini]

i like M.E.D. as a public speaker.
very entertaining.
but im not a fan of his writing..
he babbles on in his books,
the same way he does in his speaking engagements.
after he wasted pages on coMparing R KELLY to Marvin Gaye
in his book about Marvin Gaye,
that was it for me.
becuz of that,
it doesnt surprise me that he mightve been writing overzealous shit about cosby.

 

[Harlem Mike]

Hey hey hey it's fat Albert
and I'm gonna sing a song for you
and Bill's gonna tell Ya thing or two.

This brother such a hypocrite. It's like Bill Bojangles Robinson saying we should stop dancing.

Back in the 60s when people like Sidney Portier and Harry Belafonte were putting their careers on the line to support the civil rights movement Cosby was nowhere to be found. Now that he's retired from show business and has his money safely in the bank he wants to be a spokesman and activist. I grew up watching I Spy, the Bill Cosby show, Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids, and I dug them all, but it's sad to watch this brother slide into self-hatred.

http://www.blacktown.net/bill_cosby__hypocrite.htm

 

[dkrismoneymaker1]

In the words of Richard Pryor.......FUCK BILL COSBY!

 

[Jakesnake]

And the truth is.... No one would even know who Mr Dyson "is" if he had not written a book with Bill's name on it....


I find it interesting how Mr Dyson is a professor at a major "white" university. I guess the black schools aren't good enough for him. Or perhaps... its the money.....And you know how much some of us love money.... we will even "sell" out another black person if the price is right.

Until this cat has given as much money as Bill Cosby has given to the HBCUs.

He should not say shit.

Every thing that Cosby did in his career, he made sure that blacks were behind the scenes.

 

[Mr. Met]

Hey hey hey it's fat Albert
and I'm gonna sing a song for you
and Bill's gonna tell Ya thing or two.

This brother such a hypocrite. It's like Bill Bojangles Robinson saying we should stop dancing.

Back in the 60s when people like Sidney Portier and Harry Belafonte were putting their careers on the line to support the civil rights movement Cosby was nowhere to be found. Now that he's retired from show business and has his money safely in the bank he wants to be a spokesman and activist. I grew up watching I Spy, the Bill Cosby show, Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids, and I dug them all, but it's sad to watch this brother slide into self-hatred.

http://www.blacktown.net/bill_cosby__hypocrite.htm

 

[TRUFICTION]

Until this cat has given as much money as Bill Cosby has given to the HBCUs.

He should not say shit.

Every thing that Cosby did in his career, he made sure that blacks were behind the scenes.

SO WHAT YOU MEAN IS.......
M.E.D. SHOULD BUY PEOPLE LIKE YOU TOO.

 

[thundercat]

Dyson is THAT dude. And fuck's up with the other cat's HIGH TOP FADE?!! It's 2007 yo

 

[Jacobi]

man I cant take this shit seriously'

I mean, why does this dude have a high top fade in 2007

im done

flatlined-----------------------------------------------------

Yeah, no shit. What the fuck?

I agree with some of what Cosby says and the same for what Dyson says, but I can't get behind either of them 100%.

Fuck just championing a single person or side of an issue. It's up to each person to listen to both sides, and make up their own mind.

Cosby and Dyson "beefing" isn't doing a damn thing.

 

[J Storm]

man I cant take this shit seriously'

I mean, why does this dude have a high top fade in 2007

im done

flatlined-----------------------------------------------------

Word.
But Cos is telling the truth. When I see 29 years olds ACT like 19 year olds and do the same dumb things a 14 year old would do, I know something is wrong.

Kids today are more fucked up then ever. Hiphop thats given is no longer the "CNN" of the hood and Dyson need to stop fuckin with BILL and address the problem. The PARENTS.

 

[water]

Kaya's Solomonic Scrolls:


1. PERCENTAGES
Giving money is the easiest thing to do. Giving of your time and energy is more difficult.

If a man gives $5 of his $10 and another gives $10 of his $1000, who made the greater sacrifice????

If a man pays $20 000/mth child support but comes around once per year, who is the better parent, the mother or the dad?????


2. DOES TRAILER COUNT AS WHITE?

Blacks have way better command of the english language than hispanics.
Americans in general have inadequate command of the english language.

Are people saying that what is shown on TV represents the vast majority of blacks in this country????


3. HIP HOP

Those that say hip-hop etc is the cause of youth problems.
Then is rock the cause of Columbine type events??????
Then is gay sexual acts on MTV & VH1 the cause of homosexuality in the society????


4. JAIL

The INCERATION RATES of blacks are much higher than all other groups.

Does that mean that drug use amongst blacks is much higher than all groups????
Or does it mean blacks are much more heavily policed and profiled?


5. EDUCATION

The unprecendented rise of middle class blacks is not enough to show that we are progressing and their is cause for hope and not despair?????

Is the chance of a person becoming a "failure" greater at the high school level or at the college level?????

Where would you devote most of your energy, on vaccinating the problem or treating the symptoms????


6. BRAIN FOOD

Do you put food on your neighbors table that is meant for the kids in your house?????
Where do you feed the minds of your kids, at your job or at the place where they reside?
Do you discuss male pattern baldness,its causes and the treatment with your dentist?
What ever happened to relevancy???


7. PREACHING TO THE CHOIR

Is the message of the need to be saved (salvation) appropriate at a minister's meeting????
Would you volunteer to give a lecture on entrepreneurship 101 to Bill Gates?


8. GUARANTEES

If a baker never baked good bread, would you buy the recipe he is now selling????

Is there proof in the baker life, that by following his recipe, your bread would come out in the desired way like his??????




The big fish Bill, go after the BIG FISH !!!

 

[DiamondDeuce]

And I guess the 10,000,0000 (thats 10 million for you that can't count that high) he gave to Morehouse doesn't give him the right to say sh%$t about how black people behave.

I'm sorry... but I'm from the school of thought that says... put your "money" where your "mouth" is... why.... cause talk is cheap....

When Mr Dyson can put up numbers like that to a black college, then I will take him a little more seriously... until then, he's only ridin Bill's back so he can make some money off of it.....

Thanks bruh! Finally someone with some actual sense.
Whether you agree with Bill or not.. it's a free country the man can say what he wants.

But you have to ask yourself what is the purpose of Bill speaking out now? It aint for money or fame. Plus as you said Morehouse, Spelman, and even Fisk University's doors are open because of what Dr. Cosby and his wife have donated to those schools.

The man has been "educating black youth" for years Picture Pages where he had big azz loud marker, Fat Albert, and the Cosby show. The man has EARNED a right to speak from his heart on current affairs. He puts his money where his mouth is.

Every time Dyson speaks I lose respect for him.... and I "want" to like him. I remember he was a professor when I was at the University of North Carolina. He is the reason why no BLACK MAN will ever be allowed to be the commencement speaker at the College. During the speech he criticized Michael Jordan for not doing more for the black community, and spouted about how the university uses black athletes. He said this during graduation
Talking shit about MJ in Chapel Hill will get a hit put out on you. Needless to say Dyson was gone the next year.

 

[TRUFICTION]

Thanks bruh! Finally someone with some actual sense.
Whether you agree with Bill or not.. it's a free country the man can say what he wants.

SO CAN DYSON

But you have to ask yourself what is the purpose of Bill speaking out now? It aint for money or fame.

I DONT THINK SO EITHER
BUT I ALSO DONT HAVE A CLUE WHY HE IS SPEAKING OUT NOW,
WHEN HE HAD PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO BE PRO ACTIVE YEARS AGO RATHER THAN REACTIVE NOW.
UNLESS HE HAD TO PROTECT HIS CAREER AND HIS MONEY
THAT HE IS NOW USING TO BUY PEOPLES BRAINLESS FOLLOWING TO PROMOTE HIS CAMPAIGN OF DIVIDE AND CONQUER BETWEEN THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOTS TO MAKE ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE LESS FORTUNATE APPEAR AS THOUGH THEY ARE ALL THUGS AND POOR PARENTS

Plus as you said Morehouse, Spelman, and even Fisk University's doors are open because of what Dr. Cosby and his wife have donated to those schools.

COSBY IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE THE SOLE SUPPORTER OF THESE INSTITUTIONS. THE DOORS AT THESE SCHOOLS WILL CONTINUE TO BE OPEN WITH OR WITHOUT HIM.
I AM IN NO WAY TRYING TO DETRACT FROM HIS GENEROUS AND MUCH APPRECIATED CONTRIBUTIONS.

The man has been "educating black youth" for years Picture Pages where he had big azz loud marker, Fat Albert, and the Cosby show. The man has EARNED a right to speak from his heart on current affairs. He puts his money where his mouth is.

I STRONGLY DISAGREE
PLEASE TELL ME HOW HE QUALIFIES AS A
PERSON WITH THE ANSWERS........OH THATS RIGHT
HE NEVER DID GIVE ANY ANSWERS
ONLY CRITICISMS.
BY NO STRETCH AM I SAYING DYSON IS THAT MUCH BETTER
BUT RIGHT OR WRONG COSBY DESERVES TO BE CALLED OUT FOR SOME OF THE THINGS HE HAS SAID AND DONE.

YET WHEN CRITICIZED PEOPLE GET MAD AS THOUGH HE IS PERFECT
WHY ?
BECAUSE HE IS WEALTHY ..........AND THATS ENOUGH FOR SOME
NOT ME !
HE DOES NOT HAVE LISCENSE TO SPEAK FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY
WHEN IS THE LAST TIME HE SPENT ANY TIME THERE ?

BLACK PEOPLE ARE GETTING PLAYED AND CANT EVEN SEE IT.
HE BOUGHT AND PAYED FOR SOME BLACK PEOPLES SUPPORT
AND THEY SOLD OUT LIKE TYPICAL NON THINKERS.
TELEVISION TRULY IS A BRAINWASHER.

Every time Dyson speaks I lose respect for him.... and I "want" to like him. I remember he was a professor when I was at the University of North Carolina. He is the reason why no BLACK MAN will ever be allowed to be the commencement speaker at the College. During the speech he criticized Michael Jordan for not doing more for the black community, and spouted about how the university uses black athletes. He said this during graduation
Talking shit about MJ in Chapel Hill will get a hit put out on you. Needless to say Dyson was gone the next year.

SO YOURE SAYING HE IS WRONG BECAUSE HE MADE A CRITICISM OF ANOTHER BLACK MAN ?
YOU ARE SAYING HE IS WRONG BECAUSE OF THE VENUE IN WHICH HE CRITICIZED THE FACT THAT BLACK ATHLETES GET USED BY THESE UNIVERSITIES ?

WOW. .....SOUNDS TO ME LIKE DYSON IS RIGHT.

OH BUT HES NOT RICH ENOUGH SO CANT SAY SHIT.

 

[DaleMabry]

Huh?? Dyson has written a number of fine, incisive books dealing with various aspects of Black America over the last decade-plus and contributed far more (in sociological and intellectual ways) to the discourse about racial matters in the U.S. than Cosby has during the same era (when he was paying off his white baby-momma).

Damn Blunt you are full of surprises.

Love the comments about Coz' silence in the 80s, about Bob Johnson, about his own moral failures, about his refusal to engage in an open debate, all that stuff. Good points.

Dyson iz one phony nigaz
anybody got the clip when Suge Knight put him in his place about writen books on 2 pac "u never meet pac"

Dude, Suge is ignorant. Historians don't have to meet the people they write about. They only have to work from legitimate sources, and Dyson did so. Don't co-sign Suge's ignorance. Besides, that nigga still ain't out the clear on Pac's death so who is he to lecture people on using Pac's legacy? Please.

 

[drugzmoneygunz]

Damn Blunt you are full of surprises.

Love the comments about Coz' silence in the 80s, about Bob Johnson, about his own moral failures, about his refusal to engage in an open debate, all that stuff. Good points.



Dude, Suge is ignorant. Historians don't have to meet the people they write about. They only have to work from legitimate sources, and Dyson did so. Don't co-sign Suge's ignorance. Besides, that nigga still ain't out the clear on Pac's death so who is he to lecture people on using Pac's legacy? Please.

somebody that knew him