****Cosby gives Michael Eric Dyson the finger - literally!****

[ronmch20]

And he also gave 10 million to Morehouse....but for the record... how many buildings are named after mr dyson.... he makes his money talkin about black people and thats all he does... just talk...

Thats why I say talk is cheap... put up or shut up... when Mr dyson starts putting the millions of dollars he's making to talk about black people back into the black community, then he should be listened too... otherwise STFU

As I said I'm no fan of Mr Dyson. I think he's getting fat feeding at the poverty pimp trough, but he's right about there being no balance in Cosby's rants. As for Uncle Bill's generous donations to Spelman and Morehouse consider this, did he do so because they're elite black schools in need of cash? I think not. Attendees at both those instiutions for the most part come from families that can afford to send them there. Since he's so big on inner city youth cleaning up their act, don't you think his 30 million was needed more in depressed communites. Face it, Bill is a staunch member of the black bourgeoisie and frankly I'm sick to death of his one-sided put downs of the less fortunate among us.

 

[Legacyns]

Mo-Better...

There's only one problem with your critique of Dyson doing the interview. In the interview he revealed that he spoke to Bill & the end result was that Bill DOESN'T WANT TO TALK TO HIM & DIALOGUE ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

Now, how is Dyson supposed to get Bill to agree to a public dialogue (or even private for that matter)?? Bill doesn't want to do it. So, Dyson should refuse every opportunity to tell his side of the story because Bill doesn't want to discuss it with him?

That's on Bill. Plus, it's not like Dyson was on Oprah or some shyt. Ain't nobody seen that shyt but us & few folx who happen to flip to the wrong channel or click on the wrong link!

 

[BigUnc]

if cosby was holding PRESS conferences wouldn't that defeat the purpose of going straight to the hood to help people?

He can have his press conference in the hood while sweeping some dirty, funky, rat infested alley along with the residents . But i'll bet he won't talk that ish then

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

if cosby was holding PRESS conferences wouldn't that defeat the purpose of going straight to the hood to help people?

no, it would call attention to a process to help those who are in need. it could inspire other so do so as well.

now how about you posting some instances of this rather than trying to debate the necessity of it.

 

[Big Chee]

As I said I'm no fan of Mr Dyson. I think he's getting fat feeding at the poverty pimp trough, but he's right about there being no balance in Cosby's rants. As for Uncle Bill's generous donations to Spelman and Morehouse consider this, did he do so because they're elite black schools in need of cash? I think not. Attendees at both those instiutions for the most part come from families that can afford to send them there. Since he's so big on inner city youth cleaning up their act, don't you think his 30 million was needed more in depressed communites. Face it, Bill is a staunch member of the black bourgeoisie and frankly I'm sick to death of his one-sided put downs of the less fortunate among us.

Exactly.

What's going to come out of Cosby's rants speaking at thes $600 a plate chicken dinner functions?

Not a damn thing, just another chance for the crowd to say "um hmmm....he's right" and do nothing about it. They're more happy they're not "those people" more than addressing shyt.

 

[respiration]

If you heard the interview, he did meet with him and Cosby wasn't having it.

...Assuming that was the way the conversation actually went. So far we've only heard Dyson's account of their meeting. I would like to hear Cosby's.

 

[Mo-Better]

Mo-Better...

There's only one problem with your critique of Dyson doing the interview. In the interview he revealed that he spoke to Bill & the end result was that Bill DOESN'T WANT TO TALK TO HIM & DIALOGUE ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

Now, how is Dyson supposed to get Bill to agree to a public dialogue (or even private for that matter)?? Bill doesn't want to do it. So, Dyson should refuse every opportunity to tell his side of the story because Bill doesn't want to discuss it with him?

That's on Bill. Plus, it's not like Dyson was on Oprah or some shyt. Ain't nobody seen that shyt but us & few folx who happen to flip to the wrong channel or click on the wrong link!

I did say, " It's Cosby's turn to reconcile the problem." My arguement is simple, if Dyson doesn't go public with this matter no one knows about it. So in my opinion Dyson did this to discredit Cosby. This is what needs to stop.

 

[geechiedan]

no, it would call attention to a process to help those who are in need. it could inspire other so do so as well.

now how about you posting some instances of this rather than trying to debate the necessity of it.

there are no instances I could find on the web (which you could just as easily googled yourself) but that doesn't mean he hasn't done it...just that he hasnt broadcasted it.

If he did people would only say that he was doing it for the cameras and publicity anyway...so it doesn't make a difference..

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

there are no instances I could find on the web (which you could just as easily googled yourself) but that doesn't mean he hasn't done it...just that he hasnt broadcasted it.

If he did people would only say that he was doing it for the cameras and publicity anyway...so it doesn't make a difference..

in a real and honest debate, the absence of evidence IS the evidence of absence.

you cannot refer to something that you cannot prove is true AND be taken seriously.

and how btw, do we know about his gift to those colleges if he DID NOT publicize them?

trust me, IF he'd done it, you'd know it.

 

[Rocky Miavia]

Well Cosby has some good points. Fuck whether he's a hypocrite or not. The truth is still the truth. Fuck who you hear it from. Mofos acting like they can't/won't do right unless some reputable person tells them to do so. I had a drug dealer back in the day tell me to stay out of that game and keep my ass in school. Should I not have listened to him just because he was a dealer? Truth is truth and that shit hurts! If Cosby or Dyson said something that struck a nerve then you might be someone they're referring to. The non-guilty will just move on with their lives. Mofos always trying to find some excuse not to listen to it till it's too late. Just because we can't get right don't mean we should want today's kids and their generation to follow in our fuck ups. I commend Cosby, despite his own flaws. Now let me stop typing before this reply gets too long and some of you say shit like "Man, I can't be reading all that shit."

 

[geechiedan]

in a real and honest debate, the absence of evidence IS the evidence of absence.

you cannot refer to something that you cannot prove is true AND be taken seriously.

good thing this isn't a real honest debate

 

[freaky_1]

I'm still trying to figure out how a MINISTER is so hell bent on arguing and debating cosby rather than MEETING with him and coming up with a workable solution together.

Hmmm...maybe because you CAN'T sell books that way?

funny how he was able to cobble to together a book so quickly after cosbys initial statements then go on the media and challenge to publicly debate (fancy word for argue) another black man in front of the world...

MED is FULL OF SHIT..

Yep. I used to think he was sincere in his words, but now it just seems like he's too concerned with being famous and how many $50 words he can use at any given time. He should have listened to what Bill had to say instead of attacking him. It seems to me he is doing more damage than good. Almost like he was put up to it by someone higher up. He tries to be down but I don't buy it. He is nothing more than a race hustler now and his words mean nothing to me.

 

[BigUnc]

Well Cosby has some good points. Fuck whether he's a hypocrite or not. The truth is still the truth. Fuck who you hear it from. Mofos acting like they can't/won't do right unless some reputable person tells them to do so. I had a drug dealer back in the day tell me to stay out of that game and keep my ass in school. Should I not have listened to him just because he was a dealer? Truth is truth and that shit hurts! If Cosby or Dyson said something that struck a nerve then you might be someone they're referring to. The non-guilty will just move on with their lives. Mofos always trying to find some excuse not to listen to it till it's too late. Just because we can't get right don't mean we should want today's kids and their generation to follow in our fuck ups. I commend Cosby, despite his own flaws. Now let me stop typing before this reply gets too long and some of you say shit like "Man, I can't be reading all that shit."

Point me in the direction of his Mea Culpa concerniing his part in bringing about that which he now denigrates or a truthful account of his own checkered life then a reconsideration of my opinion is in order. Til then Fuck that Bitch!!!!......I won't hold my breath waiting.

What I dislike is immoral and unethical mofo's from the outside hurling insults at my community while claiming to be moral and ethical.

I am not gonna let that shit slide off my back.

 

[Mr. Met]

...Assuming that was the way the conversation actually went. So far we've only heard Dyson's account of their meeting. I would like to hear Cosby's.

Yes we would, but he's hiding from that discussion....................WHY?

 

[bromack1]

Yep. I used to think he was sincere in his words, but now it just seems like he's too concerned with being famous and how many $50 words he can use at any given time.

He tries to be down but I don't buy it. He is nothing more than a race hustler now and his words mean nothing to me.

Thats exactly how Mr Dyson comes across to me ... He teaches at an all white college.... he sells books on race....he hustles his "saga" of the black mans plight to "white" folk. Half the time, its hard for me to even follow some of his dialogue. Its sounds like a "riddle" and I'm supposed to "know" what he is talking about.

Other than run his mouth, what else does he do for black folk... he's been makin money sellin our souls... what exactly does he do towards giving back the money he makes from his "hustle."

Meanwhile, Cosby's all over the place with financial contributions and educational programs...Mr Dyson doesn't even come close.

 

[The G.O.A.T.]

man I cant take this shit seriously'

I mean, why does this dude have a high top fade in 2007

im done

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[ImaSexAHolic]

for a second, i thought this shit was some old shit from back in 93, he tryna bring the box back?

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Meanwhile, Cosby's all over the place with financial contributions and educational programs...Mr Dyson doesn't even come close.

WHAT educational programs???

that's the whole point, Cosby takes to the air talking about how bad "those people" are, while crime and imprisonment amongst Black people are lower now than the past 10 years. it seems that he should be praising those who are doing better, and trying to help those who are failing. instead he's saying exactly what racist white people are saying while not doing SHIT for the people he's slamming.

 

[Mr. Met]

Dyson answers the question 'why isn't he at a black college'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H3QQPGBO2s

 

[bromack1]

Dyson answers the question 'why isn't he at a black college

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H3QQPGBO2s

Its real simple.... Money

 

[Gazoo]

We almost always seem to find ways to be divisive, even among our leaders. Whether it was Dubois vs. Washington, Malcolm vs. Martin, even for a while Sharpton vs. Jesse. Can't let this shit continue. I respect both men and I hope brother Cosby grabs the olive branch.

 

[bromack1]

WHAT educational programs???

. instead he's saying exactly what racist white people are saying while not doing SHIT for the people he's slamming.

Obviously you don't live in the philadelphia area....

As a matter of fact, you hit on a point I wonder about..... why do we always talk about black people in the "negative" to the exclusion of those blacks who are trying to do the "right" things in life.

We praise a young man who was a crack dealer, went to jail, got out and finally got his life on track... meanwhile, the guy who worked hard and studied, endured all the negative criticism from his peers like being called a nerd or punk and then did well with himself, get's no props from his "own" people.

I often find it interesting how "screwed" up some of us are.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

last i checked most folks don't praise drug dealers, and MOST of the world doesn't live in Philadelphia, so educate me.

 

[lurkin2long]

really, in this situation, both are right!!! what we as blacks need to understand is that we don't have to agree 100% of method if the goal is a common one. and as for the truly uniformed who says no one would know of eric dyson if it weren't for cosby, i've been up on dr. dyson since i met him in '95 in oklahoma city at the big 8 (before it was the big 12) conf. of black student government. that's going back 12 years!

 

[Blunt]

I hate buffoon shit like this when a serious discussion is being had. If you have nothing to contribute shut your face.

Clearly it's you who are missing the "serious" irony in my pictorial commentary (and maybe it's you who should "shut your face" when you don't get something so obvious).

 

[Big Chee]

Obviously you don't live in the philadelphia area....

As a matter of fact, you hit on a point I wonder about..... why do we always talk about black people in the "negative" to the exclusion of those blacks who are trying to do the "right" things in life.

We praise a young man who was a crack dealer, went to jail, got out and finally got his life on track... meanwhile, the guy who worked hard and studied, endured all the negative criticism from his peers like being called a nerd or punk and then did well with himself, get's no props from his "own" people.

I often find it interesting how "screwed" up some of us are.

So you think being called a nerd is a black only thing?

Everyone gets ostrasized and made fun of at some point. Lets be real here, alot of these "nerdy" types like I was considered never got over that hurt. I'd advice them to get over it cuz it never stopped me from doing what I had to do.

 

[bromack1]

We almost always seem to find ways to be divisive, even among our leaders. Whether it was Dubois vs. Washington, Malcolm vs. Martin, even for a while Sharpton vs. Jesse. Can't let this shit continue. I respect both men and I hope brother Cosby grabs the olive branch.

Dr. Michael Eric Dyson is the author of Debating Race; Come Hell or High Water; Is Bill Cosby Right? Or Has the Black Middle Class Lost Its Mind?; ...

Thats the title of Mr Dyson's biggest ever selling book.....Why can't he make a book about race without putting Bill's name on it.....

If he had chosen a different title, or excluded Bill's name.. do you think anyone would bother to read it...Did Mr Cosby get any of the proceeds for the "use" of his name...Did Mr Dyson share the profits with the black community or keep all the money for himself.

It looks like a pretty good "hustle" to me.... mo money mo money mo money...

He makes himself look really cheap piggybacking on another celebrities name....

 

[Maximumtrini]

Bill Cosby can donate all the money he wants, and people will only take advantage of it if they want to. I went to school with alot of kids who had the opportunity to do well in school, and go to college, but they chose to fuck around. Then they say "I'll just make it up in night school," but then they end up droping out so they can get a GED. Black kids have to want to help themselves. If i was Cosby, i'd give my money when the kids are hungry for it. Money ain't gonna make them want to do well.

 

[bromack1]

So you think being called a nerd is a black only thing?

Everyone gets ostrasized and made fun of at some point. Lets be real here, alot of these "nerdy" types like I was considered never got over that hurt. I'd advice them to get over it cuz it never stopped me from doing what I had to do.

Perhaps its not.... but other groups even whites tend to be more "supportive" of studious people.

We condemn our own to the extent its called acting white. That does not happen within other groups in this country. We glorify criminal behavior which includes crack cocaine dealers. Does that happen in other groups? Therefore, its the guy on the fence who is vulnerable and will most likely go in the direction of the majority instead of taking the chance to be different.

 

[deobiggie]

yo fuck! cosby hes a mason!

 

[beg4mercy]

What has he done? Mr. Cosby has donated millions of his own money to HBCU's. Has Mr. Dyson done the same? In my opinion he's paid the cost to be able to speak his mind. Now, maybe he should choose his words better but I think his points are valid. Do really think institutional racism is the only reason we're disporportionaly incarcerated and have a 34% chance of dying a violent death mainly at the hands of another Black man? No! We need to get our shit together and stop holding on to ignorance and thugisim as a way of life. It's killing us.

I'm not sayin that type of donation doesn't help us but, the people he's speakin about don't go to college, can't get to college, have no plans of going to college. Create an after school program for those that have no choice but to face everyday harshness of the hood. At least give them the opportunity to learn after school instead of juss goin home and hangin out or playin video games. That's the bad thing, most of the donations from high class celebs are put in the wrong place. They are given to places that have a chance instead of the places that really don't have a chance.

 

[Big Chee]

Perhaps its not.... but other groups even whites tend to be more "supportive" of studious people.

We condemn our own to the extent its called acting white. That does not happen within other groups in this country. We glorify criminal behavior which includes crack cocaine dealers. Does that happen in other groups? Therefore, its the guy on the fence who is vulnerable and will most likely go in the direction of the majority instead of taking the chance to be different.

What makes you think that?

You have some study or proof white support nerdy types moreso than any other group? Let's be real here. There are things that are inherently AMERICAN that many of us buy into believing they're black only problems. Ask the nerdy white types how much they've been ostrasized by "jocks" and other students for not being "cool."

So lets stop making the black community to be anything different than average americans overall.

 

[beg4mercy]

Bill Cosby can donate all the money he wants, and people will only take advantage of it if they want to. I went to school with alot of kids who had the opportunity to do well in school, and go to college, but they chose to fuck around. Then they say "I'll just make it up in night school," but then they end up droping out so they can get a GED. Black kids have to want to help themselves. If i was Cosby, i'd give my money when the kids are hungry for it. Money ain't gonna make them want to do well.

To give a kid a choice like that is too much. We've gotta show them that the right way is the right way. Fuccin around in school gets you a fucced up life and only makes it harder on you. I always say to myself and others that, if my father woulda said "You go to college you'll be able to buy all the shit that the drug dealers and rappers have, you'll get free pussy, a nice house etc." That woulda been right on point, and in a language I understood.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

shit, i'm still waiting to find out what Cosby has done for Philadelphia.

 

[sludem]

man I cant take this shit seriously'

I mean, why does this dude have a high top fade in 2007

im done

flatlined-----------------------------------------------------

shit i thought this was a old video until i read what you said lol nigga had a retro cut