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I'm still not sold, on how Frank went out. Yeah it was still great to watch (JR JR is king!) but I always saw Frank going out in a Butch and Sundance sorta way (and granted this is similar) or taking out sum real scumbag crimelord in the same moment. This death here leaves a bad taste in my mouth because you know it's done deliberately to launch this bullshit Franken-lets cash into the zombie fad-Castle comic (And whoever thought this was a clever name? It's really not.)
I don't know. I think the quintessential brilliance of The Punisher, is much like Batman, in that you have a human being, living in a world of superhumans, but doing their thing on training, indomitable will, and tech/weapons alone.
Making Punisher more then human physically takes away from the fact that it is his drive to punish that makes him able to be such a force of nature on the streets. Otherwise why not have him visit some lab and have cyber implants or more space age technology from one of the numerous alien races that have visited or something grafted to his body? All these years of putting himself though the meat grinder, why not buy some stark-tech with all the mob money he takes?
Smacks of dumbness to me. Punisher is at his best with a sack full of guns, skull uniform and plenty of mobsters in range.
Garth Ennis NEVER would have done this and his recent run's on the Punisher were what brought me back to book.
But I guess we'll see...
I don't know. I think the quintessential brilliance of The Punisher, is much like Batman, in that you have a human being, living in a world of superhumans, but doing their thing on training, indomitable will, and tech/weapons alone.
Making Punisher more then human physically takes away from the fact that it is his drive to punish that makes him able to be such a force of nature on the streets. Otherwise why not have him visit some lab and have cyber implants or more space age technology from one of the numerous alien races that have visited or something grafted to his body? All these years of putting himself though the meat grinder, why not buy some stark-tech with all the mob money he takes?
Smacks of dumbness to me. Punisher is at his best with a sack full of guns, skull uniform and plenty of mobsters in range.
Garth Ennis NEVER would have done this and his recent run's on the Punisher were what brought me back to book.
But I guess we'll see...
Agreed!
Althought I enjoyed the story about Osborne's goons bringing the heat to Castle I think his going out should have had more of impact....
But with that said - FRANKEN-CASTLE?!?
Somebody need's their ass whooped for that 
Finally, someone gets it.
I hear what you and bro Megazell are saying but it just seemed hella fucked up though.
Frank Castle is a combat specialist who's been doing what he does best long before Daken came on the scene.
He's fought the likes of Spiderman and a host of other high profile warriors such as Bullseye, Daredevil and even the original Wolverine so it's not as if the guy is a slouch in the Marvel Universe pecking order of bad ass's.
Even though Daken has a healing factor his arm should've been blown off by the mini-mine Frank attached to his left bicep.
In fact, for all intents and purposes, Daken's only advantages in that battle were his claws and healing factor.
It's not like the faggots bones are laced with adamantium. (or are they?)
I'd say Daken has way more advantages than the Punisher. He was born in 1946 and kidnapped from birth and trained to be an assassin. That means he's older and has way more combat experience than the Punisher. Even though he's a new character and is Wolverine's son people forget his background. Given all that and the fact that he doesn't get tired and is still physically in his prime there isn't any reason why the Punisher should beat him. He put up a hell of a fight though.
Powers and abilities
Like Wolverine, Daken's primary mutant power is an accelerated healing factor that allows him to rapidly regenerate damaged bodily tissue much faster and more extensively than a normal human is capable of. Although he is over 60 years old, he has the appearance of a man in his physical prime.
Daken's physical stamina and reflexes are also heightened to superhuman levels as a by-product of his accelerated healing factor. As with most of his powers, the full limits of these powers are unknown.
Daken also has three retractable bone claws housed within each forearm, though their configuration and appearance is somewhat different from those of Wolverine. Two claws extend between his knuckles, while a third extends from the underside of his wrist, which is coated with a piece of the Muramusa Blade, letting attacks with this claw disable healing factors. The texture of the claws in his knuckles appears to be porous and dark in color quite like the claws Wolverine possesses in their natural bone state, as seen in Wolverine: Origin[19]. It was recently revealed in the pages of Dark Reign: Hawkeye[20] that his claws have a naturally ferrous or metallic composition, allowing him to penetrate materials such as metal; he was able to penetrate stolen Iron-Man armor being used by a thief. As with his father, his claws and skeleton are composed of the same material, allowing Daken's musculature to resist higher levels of physical pressure; effectively enhancing his strength. Recently however his claws were bonded with the magic metal of the shattered muramusa demon blade making them even sharper and more powerful. This blade temporary shuts down "healing factors" as well allowing Daken to kill those even with very strong healing factors.
Daken's mind is naturally resistant to telepathic probes and assaults. As a result of Romulus' conditioning, Daken's mind contains a certain, un-described "trap" for most telepaths that attempt to push too far into his mind.[21]
He also possesses pheromone manipulation that suppresses his scent and alters emotions and sensory perception of others, e.g. sexual attraction, psychotic rage, rational thinking, etc..[22] However certain individuals have proven immune to Daken's pheromones most notobaly Hulkling, a Skrull/Kree hybrid and Scar the Son of Hulk another alien hybrid.
Skills and personality
Unlike Wolverine, Daken has no moral compunction about killing, which he has done in a professional capacity for quite some time. In his appearances he is seen murdering several people. However, like the Winter Soldier, the majority of Daken's personality had been artificially erased, rendering him little more than a living weapon capable of tactical and strategic forethought in order to carry out assassinations.
Daken has formidable hand to hand combat skills, though the extent of his exact training has yet to be revealed. However, he has proven capable of defeating his father, Deadpool, and Cyber (who at one point was Daken's instructor and has acknowledged that Daken is a better fighter than himself. Cyber, however, does not consider Daken a worthy opponent due to his lack of an adamantium skeleton. His ability to appear outside his opponent's field of vision is a direct result of his training since he has no superhuman speed.
According to Emma Frost, Daken has been heavily and irreversibly brainwashed, though Professor Xavier does not share her view that it is irreversible. Daken acknowledges that Wolverine is his biological father and yet harbored an animosity toward him for being responsible for the death of his mother, which he later learned is not true. Daken once showed loyalty to a mysterious figure known as Romulus, who has been a powerful influence in the lives of Wolverine, Wild Child, Sabretooth, and Cyber. However, thanks to Xavier's help, Daken has recovered some of his original mind and now seeks revenge against Romulus.
Like Wolverine, Daken's primary mutant power is an accelerated healing factor that allows him to rapidly regenerate damaged bodily tissue much faster and more extensively than a normal human is capable of. Although he is over 60 years old, he has the appearance of a man in his physical prime.
Daken's physical stamina and reflexes are also heightened to superhuman levels as a by-product of his accelerated healing factor. As with most of his powers, the full limits of these powers are unknown.
Daken also has three retractable bone claws housed within each forearm, though their configuration and appearance is somewhat different from those of Wolverine. Two claws extend between his knuckles, while a third extends from the underside of his wrist, which is coated with a piece of the Muramusa Blade, letting attacks with this claw disable healing factors. The texture of the claws in his knuckles appears to be porous and dark in color quite like the claws Wolverine possesses in their natural bone state, as seen in Wolverine: Origin[19]. It was recently revealed in the pages of Dark Reign: Hawkeye[20] that his claws have a naturally ferrous or metallic composition, allowing him to penetrate materials such as metal; he was able to penetrate stolen Iron-Man armor being used by a thief. As with his father, his claws and skeleton are composed of the same material, allowing Daken's musculature to resist higher levels of physical pressure; effectively enhancing his strength. Recently however his claws were bonded with the magic metal of the shattered muramusa demon blade making them even sharper and more powerful. This blade temporary shuts down "healing factors" as well allowing Daken to kill those even with very strong healing factors.
Daken's mind is naturally resistant to telepathic probes and assaults. As a result of Romulus' conditioning, Daken's mind contains a certain, un-described "trap" for most telepaths that attempt to push too far into his mind.[21]
He also possesses pheromone manipulation that suppresses his scent and alters emotions and sensory perception of others, e.g. sexual attraction, psychotic rage, rational thinking, etc..[22] However certain individuals have proven immune to Daken's pheromones most notobaly Hulkling, a Skrull/Kree hybrid and Scar the Son of Hulk another alien hybrid.
Skills and personality
Unlike Wolverine, Daken has no moral compunction about killing, which he has done in a professional capacity for quite some time. In his appearances he is seen murdering several people. However, like the Winter Soldier, the majority of Daken's personality had been artificially erased, rendering him little more than a living weapon capable of tactical and strategic forethought in order to carry out assassinations.
Daken has formidable hand to hand combat skills, though the extent of his exact training has yet to be revealed. However, he has proven capable of defeating his father, Deadpool, and Cyber (who at one point was Daken's instructor and has acknowledged that Daken is a better fighter than himself. Cyber, however, does not consider Daken a worthy opponent due to his lack of an adamantium skeleton. His ability to appear outside his opponent's field of vision is a direct result of his training since he has no superhuman speed.
According to Emma Frost, Daken has been heavily and irreversibly brainwashed, though Professor Xavier does not share her view that it is irreversible. Daken acknowledges that Wolverine is his biological father and yet harbored an animosity toward him for being responsible for the death of his mother, which he later learned is not true. Daken once showed loyalty to a mysterious figure known as Romulus, who has been a powerful influence in the lives of Wolverine, Wild Child, Sabretooth, and Cyber. However, thanks to Xavier's help, Daken has recovered some of his original mind and now seeks revenge against Romulus.
Well, going by your analogy Wolverine aka Logan, should be nigh on unbeatable as he was born in the 1800's and has been doing what he does best for waaaaaaaay longer than Daken.
Somebody said that Frank had more fighting experience than Daken.
They were saying that is not necessarily true, because eventhough The Punisher has been in comics for over 20 years. Daken has been in the Marvel Universe for 60 years. And has been a trained assassin most of those years.
Daken's healing factor keeps him young so he would be in his prime. Maybe mid 20's or younger. Where Wolverine would be in his 50's. So Daken would still have a bit of an edge against him.
I'm reserving judgment on this until i see how it all plays out. It could be good but blackest night is becoming a disappointment that i don't want to get all into it only to be let down.
`I feel the same way since its not running in Uncanny or XFactor, I'm wondering if its something Marvel is really gonna take seriously, or if its just a way to get sales for New Mutants and Legacy up
No. I'm saying that he has more training and experience than the Punisher. People were acting like he was nothing more than a dude with some claws and a healing factor.
Outside of healing factor and claws, Daken has been compared to Winter Soldier..
Daken is a dangerous motherfucker.. Logan is bad ass and daken was holding is own against dear old dad.. and if he could easily slice up deadpool, then yeah, frank castle COULD take a loss as well...
I like punisher, but he is not super human, even with his new gadgets..
I didn't like the Daken character until his Dark Reign comic, they showed him as the opposite of Wolverine. Not really animalistic. He's smart and will get in your head before he gutts you.
Especially the way he handled Bullseye.
I'm reserving judgment on this until i see how it all plays out. It could be good but blackest night is becoming a disappointment that i don't want to get all into it only to be let down.
Blackest night can be saved.. But I wish DC would focus on Geoff johns books, stop trying to capitalize on the dudes skills at crafting a saga.
The books have already been written. For those in the know check out the upcoming months of "Preview" and behold the rape that is coming for DC fans...
Yeah, I really wish they would stop this type of bullshit!
They shoot missiles and bullets traveling hundreds of miles an hour with thousands of pounds of force at Hulk which just bounce off of him. But a mofo with some claws on his hand and very little enhanced strength can just stab thru him?
They constantly show wolverine shred thru 2 foot thick steel like it's butter. Hell, it takes a high powered diamond tip titanium drill or laser an hour or two to do that. Where do these guys get that kind of strength? Their bios at best say they can lift between 800 and 1500 lbs.
Both of those mofos should be dismembered and thrown off planet by any hulk in existence.
I like Punisher as much as the next man, but, he should have been dead or retired years ago. How long can you go around killing your enemies before they either kill you or you run out of villains? His comic should have been demoted to annual status a long time ago.
Can you elaborate please.
Some of the points you brought up are part of the reason why Wolverine and Hulk have never been my favorite characters to read about.
This last point you made is where Marvel could make itself a better company as opposed to DC.
Characters like Punisher and a few others are characters that should make appearance sparingly...because the daily run and gunning would have wore him down.
One of the best stories I read recently was the Punisher X-mas special...that shit was either.
Marvel should stick to flagships for monthly releases...supporting on quartley releases and holiday team ups with stories like that X-mas special.
Ok I see what you're saying....
The whole thing about Black Lantern Spectre should be some str8-up bullshit...... The Spectre is supposed the wrath of God, WRATH OF GOD NOW, incarnate - and you're(BN writers) telling me that B.L. rings are strong enough to take him over?
GTFOH!
Ok I see what you're saying....
The whole thing about Black Lantern Spectre should be some str8-up bullshit...... The Spectre is supposed the wrath of God, WRATH OF GOD NOW, incarnate - and you're(BN writers) telling me that B.L. rings are strong enough to take him over?
DC Defense Brigade!
"Halt! Ignore all parts of the story that do not make comic sense. Please stick only to those parts that are "hot"...Thank you!"
I'd rather not look. If I'm going to get abused I'd rather not know about it in advance. Just let it happen & forget it ever happened.
Okay.
Is there anyone in the Marvel universe who you personally feel could beat Daken?
Dude,
What kind of question is this? What are the boundaries?
No boundaries...I pick...
Molecule Man
Powers and abilities
Owen Reece gained superhuman powers by mutation through exposure to radiation from an experimental particle generator, which (as later revealed) also opened a "pinhole" into the dimension of the Beyonders, irradiating him with the energy that infuses a Cosmic Cube. As the Molecule Man, he has the psionic ability to manipulate all forms of matter on a subatomic level, and to manipulate all known forms of energy and to convert matter into energy or energy into matter. He can use his power to reconfigure all forms of matter into different substances and forms and can change matter to energy and back again, e.g.: the creation of powerful force fields and energy beams. He is able to manipulate some of the most powerful and most durable materials within the Marvel Universe including destroying and reforming Captain America's shield, Thor's enchanted hammer Mjolnir, and the Silver Surfer's surfboard During this time, Reece also destroyed Iron Man's armor but is unable to reform it at this time due to difficulty with understanding the complicated circuitry and technology. However, over time, Reece's skills have increased considerably, as shown during the Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars mini-series. He can now manipulate complex pieces of technology with ease and can also open hyperspace portals, allowing him to travel at speeds much faster than light. As a result of the accident in which he gained his powers, the Molecule Man has a series of jagged scars radiating from the bridge of his nose in a lightning-like pattern. He can use his powers to conceal the scars at will.
Although the energies that gave Owen Reece his powers came from the same power source as the Cosmic Cubes, Owen Reece generally does not use this capability to the same extent as "true" Cosmic Cubes do, limiting himself to manipulation of "mere" matter and energy. Regardless he has been able to effortlessly recreate an entire galaxy even in his regular state,[18] and on a later occasion unleashed his 'darkest aspect', which possessed sufficient might to fight, and overpower, the Beyonder in a more than 3-dimensional battle, which in turn was claimed by Kubik to be far less than his full potential.
Originally, the Molecule Man subconsciously imposed mental blocks on himself to prevent his using his powers to their full potential. Hence, he believed his powers were ineffective on organic molecules. Although he overcame this mental block in the past, for unknown reasons he is again unable to control organic molecules. Also the Molecule Man formerly had a psychological dependency on using a steel rod ("wand") to focus his powers but he subsequently learned how to direct his powers without it. While the Living Tribunal has stated that the Molecule Man's power is practically limitless, Reece himself has stated it to be below that of Eternity and the Tribunal. It is unknown how he compares to the Celestials, as Kubik similarly once claimed that these space-gods possess power several orders above its own.
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