Child support goes from $276 to $660 after job loss

[Megazell]

BULLSHIT CHILD SUPPORT SYSTEM DONT CARE ABOUT THE NON CUSTODIAL parent PERIOD! THE JUDGES DONT WANT TO HEAR NONE OF THAT SHIT.

Then I guess the men that win their cases must be supermen.

First off - It's a magistrate that views your case not a judge.

Second - If I listen to cats like you - I would not have custody of my kid like I do right now.

Stay stuck if you like.

If a magistrate disregard key issue or evidence that weighed in on my daughters life concerning child support in less then 7 days I will have a Inspector General on that shit pronto - With not a dollar spent.

 

[bkenshin]

Then I guess the men that win their cases must be supermen.

First off - It's a magistrate that views your case not a judge.

Second - If I listen to cats like you - I would not have custody of my kid like I do right now.

Stay stuck if you like.

If a magistrate disregard key issue or evidence that weighed in on my daughters life concerning child support in less then 7 days I will have a Inspector General on that shit pronto - With not a dollar spent.

c/s

It is sad that you guys would rather bitch & complain about your situation and claim to know what you can't do, but when you have someone trying to give you solid advice that works (I know b/c I know him & his plight personally) most are the first to become naysayers. Well like the man said... stay stuck if you like.

 

[OnnaReal]

c/s

It is sad that you guys would rather bitch & complain about your situation and claim to know what you can't do, but when you have someone trying to give you solid advice that works (I know b/c I know him & his plight personally) most are the first to become naysayers. Well like the man said... stay stuck if you like.

Every case is different, state laws are different. I'm happy for your friend's success. But his case is overwhelmingly the exception.

I know some "exceptions" as well. The common thread in their wins are the failures of women [drugs, criminal actions, infidelity]. The influence of "what's best for the child" in the eyes of the court plays a lot into the outcome of your case.

If you can present your case in your court in a way that lets the court agree your solution is best for the child, you "win".

As I stated in earlier post, I met in seminar with the opposing forces of the Illinois child collection services [don't recall official office name] and Jeffrey Leving, the Father's Rights author and lawyer. What they made clear is the state agency and courts clearly do NOT favor the father, but there are exceptions. They stated some of the legal channels available to fathers active in pursuing fair support and access for thier children. They also stated the facts of their actions when a father doesn't work to protect his rights and his children's welfare.

I've been to Congressional Rep Danny Davis' Fathers Day sessions, which are intended to empower dads of divorce or paternity. Even here, while there are exceptions noted, the judges direct comments confirm men are at a disadvantage in their courts without good representation [whether you buy it or become it], good documentation and [key, their words], a judge willing to listen.

So, I ask that you and your exceptional friend continue to point out what works in your area, but be open to understanding it simply doesn't ALWAYS work.

I, for my part, will continue to point out what exposures there are in the system of child support services and failures of this system to truly keep the welfare of the child first.

 

[Laughing Man]

Then I guess the men that win their cases must be supermen.

First off - It's a magistrate that views your case not a judge.

Second - If I listen to cats like you - I would not have custody of my kid like I do right now.

Stay stuck if you like.

If a magistrate disregard key issue or evidence that weighed in on my daughters life concerning child support in less then 7 days I will have a Inspector General on that shit pronto - With not a dollar spent.

It is very rare the case goes in the man's favor

95% of the time, it goes in the mother's favor in the States

You have to be the most messed up type of crackhead, child killing piece of shit to lose the kids if you are a woman, hell, even that bitch that shot her preacher husband in the back as he slept got her kids back

The courts are not geared for men, period

 

[4North1Side2]

i have to pay 1200 a month they take it out my check,300 a week ,my exwife say its not here doin,but see is the lazy one that got on welfare when we broke up,now see dont even get half of that money a month and my kids still need things,welfare took my tax checks this year and my rebate check . my kids still ask me to by every thing they need or want ,i cant do it all .i tell my kids that i dont have the money ask your mother and they say you no welfare takes the money and give her mybe 80 a week ,but thats not my fault,i told her when we broke up that i would give her 200 a week for the kids ,and she still went behind my back and got on welfare.now am between jobs and the payments are backin up,i can bearly take care of my self and beside the three kids i have by her i have 2 others,but they mother has a job and take what i give her because she no`s that when i got i give with no questions asked. as a man i say take care of your kids, but if i cant take care of myself how can i take care of them?if i had to do all over again i would still have my kids,they are the light of my life.

LOL I really hope your on a public computer or at work.

 

[Adam Knows]

wow that's fucked up. was it a male or female judge, and what would be the motivation to kick a dude harder when he's already down?

 

[big pimp]

It is very rare the case goes in the man's favor

95% of the time, it goes in the mother's favor in the States

You have to be the most messed up type of crackhead, child killing piece of shit to lose the kids if you are a woman, hell, even that bitch that shot her preacher husband in the back as he slept got her kids back

The courts are not geared for men, period

C/S.

 

[big pimp]

Then I guess the men that win their cases must be supermen.

First off - It's a magistrate that views your case not a judge.

Second - If I listen to cats like you - I would not have custody of my kid like I do right now.

Stay stuck if you like.

If a magistrate disregard key issue or evidence that weighed in on my daughters life concerning child support in less then 7 days I will have a Inspector General on that shit pronto - With not a dollar spent.

U got lucky.

 

[BRUCE LEROY]

Just some thoughts...
1. Watch who you get involved with
2. Always strap up
3. Don't piss off the mom. (let her talk all the shit she wants)
4. Remember - courts always favor the mom.
5. I wonder if joint custody of kids helps avoid child support
6. Try to avoid court ordered child support - pay the shit direct

 

[elchoccolatte]

Its dumb shit like this that causes men to say fuck getting married

This shit, among other things are causing marriage rates to keep dropping

How is he going to pay double when he has no job, what are you going to do, throw him in jail, then he pays nothing

Retards

Then the shit accumulates...

 

[Upgrade Dave]

From the other side

I have one female friend who has two children with a dude who left her for another chick while she was pregnant with the second. They got back together and broke up again, with him going back to the other chick, who is now pregnant. I've been telling her from jump to take him to the local CS office and get it withdrawn from his check. They need to do it now while they're getting along and before the new chick drops. As I have told her, he may love their children but the one in his face everyday is the one that will get fed first. Right now, he's got it but what about when his current girl in out for maternity leave?

We have a mutual friend who went through a similar situation and I gave her the same advice. Two years later, she's telling me she wishes she had taken my advice. Her son's father gives her what he wants, when he wants. I tried to tell her that shit was going to happen when they broke up and she found someone new.

I have another friend who's daughter's father got mad at her and decided he wasn't going to buy his daughter a coat this winter.

I tell my friends, male and female-custodial and non-custodial, that they should go set up the payments through official channels while everybody's getting along. Even while they're still together (if they aren't married). As a woman, you do not want the man to give you money when he wants. As a man, you don't want a judge in your business and you don't want her to go do it without your knowledge.

 

[KunningLinguist]

From the other side

I have one female friend who has two children with a dude who left her for another chick while she was pregnant with the second. They got back together and broke up again, with him going back to the other chick, who is now pregnant. I've been telling her from jump to take him to the local CS office and get it withdrawn from his check. They need to do it now while they're getting along and before the new chick drops. As I have told her, he may love their children but the one in his face everyday is the one that will get fed first. Right now, he's got it but what about when his current girl in out for maternity leave?

We have a mutual friend who went through a similar situation and I gave her the same advice. Two years later, she's telling me she wishes she had taken my advice. Her son's father gives her what he wants, when he wants. I tried to tell her that shit was going to happen when they broke up and she found someone new.

I have another friend who's daughter's father got mad at her and decided he wasn't going to buy his daughter a coat this winter.

I tell my friends, male and female-custodial and non-custodial, that they should go set up the payments through official channels while everybody's getting along. Even while they're still together (if they aren't married). As a woman, you do not want the man to give you money when he wants. As a man, you don't want a judge in your business and you don't want her to go do it without your knowledge.

never happens man....women only go down there when they are mad at men...its a form of payback...my sons mother didnt put me on CS until I got married....my son was 5 yrs old by this time...thats how the shit goes

im so glad i got my vasectomy...

 

[KunningLinguist]

Just some thoughts...
1. Watch who you get involved with
2. Always strap up
3. Don't piss off the mom. (let her talk all the shit she wants)
4. Remember - courts always favor the mom.
5. I wonder if joint custody of kids helps avoid child support
6. Try to avoid court ordered child support - pay the shit direct

not pissing off women once the realationship ends is damn near impossible...once you get another chick----game over

you have to have joint 'physical custody' to avoid CS (i think)...the kids have to actually live with you for a certain amount of time during the year...not that 2 weekend a month shit

 

[Rick Ronson]

Its set up so they don't have to support the bitches
cause they know the bitches make poor decisions
which is evident everytime they come in the court
room. Niggas need to stop nutting in bitches like
that unless you know 110% shes a winner, and that
has nothing to do with how she looks or the size of
her ass. Every broke bitch in the hood knows how to
make her ass look appealing cause they know niggas
are weak and the ass is their meal ticket.

I have stood back and watched bitches I used to date bring niggas down.

Saying to myself...daaaaaaaamn that coulda been me.

Dont be a victim.....only the smart survive.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

never happens man....women only go down there when they are mad at men...its a form of payback...my sons mother didnt put me on CS until I got married....my son was 5 yrs old by this time...thats how the shit goes

im so glad i got my vasectomy...

If by "never happens" you mean two people going and getting the order done together, it does happen. When The Wife and I were going to split about 5 years ago, we did it. Then we didn't, I lost my job and the shit started accruing (which I agree is bullshit), so we had it dropped. I've told both of the two females I mentioned that if they do it at least they will never have that argument anymore.

 

[TB1996]

you can derail ANY summons to court for child support by filing a "claim of right" to support your child (food, clothing and sheltor), into the county records office and filing a certified copy of that into the child support summons hearing.

 

[troutwine]

The state is the pimp, the woman is the ho, and the, whose paying is the john, and women just keep falling for the prostitute role, only to get pennies out of it

Have you been reading Tariq Nasheed books?

I was just reading "Play or Be Played" last night, and he brought up that analogy.

 

[big pimp]

i done sucked the grizzle out of the child support bone. its the BIGGEST scam the courts run. i have helped numerous people, including myself with this situation by exposing the frauds. how all this got started was at the hands of your "honorary negro" bill clinton. in 1996, he signed off on the bradley amendment, which effectively brought back the FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT. the fugitive slave act was a act which enabled the feds or any state to cross borders to get runaway slaves. bradley amendment brought this back under the guise of child support. child support is SLAVERY,because slavery is CONSENSUAL. once you expose that, then it turns into peonage. im not going too deep into it, but lets get back to the bradley amendment. this act made it impossible for judges to forgive any back support under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. it used to be that if you went to jail, got laid off or fired, became a prisoner of war, etc. the judge would forgive that amount, and start over with reasonable payments. not anymore, clinton stopped that shit under the guise of helping families. see, the courts are corporations, that do business with other corporations (child support collection agencies, jails, etc.) they got this act passed so that they can make money off of men being incarcerated and they get a cut out of the collections and the feds made it where the states gets grants for every dollar they collect of child support. has NOTHING to do with children's well being.

This racist put more black men in jail with his child support laws he started in the 90s.

 

[PDQ21]

Im paying $120 per wk
$55 every other wk for tutoring

$25 every month for karate that he goes to on just on Saturdays

It cost $30 just to bring him home every other wknd when I have him

Plus all the money I spend on him just cause thats my lil man and feel guilty cause I dont spend enough time with him anymore


CRAZY

My son is almost 9 I dont plan to have anymore kids its too expensive but i dont like babies anyway

 

[PDQ21]

I cut the state out tho i pay it straight to her through checks and or receipts of course

 

[parisian]

stop impregnating these hoes

 

[lexdiamonnyc]

damn, some fucked up stories in this thread........

I have custody of both of my kids and I don't collect child support from the ex........It was ordered, but when the judge said that he thought $10 a week was fair, I almost lost it in the court room...........after we got out I just told her to keep her $10........this is in Jersey,btw.....


rewind back to when she had our daughter(oldest), she was living in Cali and got on welfare, well the state came after me, right off the bat the judge had me paying $350 a week........ mean while shorty's sitting at home not doing shit, mind you, this is an "Educated Strong Black Woman" as she likes to call herself........anyway once we got everything settled, the case closed, they still took my wages for 3 months, and I don't see them paying me back a penny....and until recently that shit was still on my credit report like I owed the state of Cali money......my lawyer had to get involved to get it removed.....but still no money back


fast forward 3 drama filled years later, she relocated to Jersey and we now have 2 kids (boy and girl), and I have custody of them


she's currently working as a waitress where she makes $40 a day in tips on a good day, she moves every other month, see her kids maybe once every other week.....never calls but I make it a point to call her and let the kids talk to her.....


I'm not gonna lie, it's hard as fuck to be a single dad, but you know what?....I rather survive on 3hrs of sleep and work 12hr days and KNOW that my kids are good, I get alot of support from the fam(mostly help with babysitting), and it's still very difficult.....but, and it's a big BUT...I have peace of mind, I know where my kids are, what they do, who's around them, etc.......and it's all worth it!


the irony in all this, I'm just an ex-military guy who happens to be a hard worker and a good dad(I try!), she's the "Strong Educated Black Woman" who has a great education, graduated top of her class, but has her degree framed up on the wall collecting dust because she doesn't want to work in Journalism(that's what her degree is in), or in NYC....wtf??? me no educated make $70K+, her have education and can't crack $25k/yr........ life is so crazy, you can't make this shit up, cuz it don't make sense!!!!!!!


karma is a motherfucker too, seriously!!

 

[big pimp]

damn, some fucked up stories in this thread........

I have custody of both of my kids and I don't collect child support from the ex........It was ordered, but when the judge said that he thought $10 a week was fair, I almost lost it in the court room...........after we got out I just told her to keep her $10........this is in Jersey,btw.....


rewind back to when she had our daughter(oldest), she was living in Cali and got on welfare, well the state came after me, right off the bat the judge had me paying $350 a week........ mean while shorty's sitting at home not doing shit, mind you, this is an "Educated Strong Black Woman" as she likes to call herself........anyway once we got everything settled, the case closed, they still took my wages for 3 months, and I don't see them paying me back a penny....and until recently that shit was still on my credit report like I owed the state of Cali money......my lawyer had to get involved to get it removed.....but still no money back


fast forward 3 drama filled years later, she relocated to Jersey and we now have 2 kids (boy and girl), and I have custody of them


she's currently working as a waitress where she makes $40 a day in tips on a good day, she moves every other month, see her kids maybe once every other week.....never calls but I make it a point to call her and let the kids talk to her.....


I'm not gonna lie, it's hard as fuck to be a single dad, but you know what?....I rather survive on 3hrs of sleep and work 12hr days and KNOW that my kids are good, I get alot of support from the fam(mostly help with babysitting), and it's still very difficult.....but, and it's a big BUT...I have peace of mind, I know where my kids are, what they do, who's around them, etc.......and it's all worth it!


the irony in all this, I'm just an ex-military guy who happens to be a hard worker and a good dad(I try!), she's the "Strong Educated Black Woman" who has a great education, graduated top of her class, but has her degree framed up on the wall collecting dust because she doesn't want to work in Journalism(that's what her degree is in), or in NYC....wtf??? me no educated make $70K+, her have education and can't crack $25k/yr........ life is so crazy, you can't make this shit up, cuz it don't make sense!!!!!!!


karma is a motherfucker too, seriously!!

TAKE HER BACK TO COURT TO MAKE HER PAY U CHILD SUPPORT.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

see even though your dad is a fuck up this is the type of shit that is wrong...
yes your dad fucked up but why should your mother get paid for raising her own child???
I'm not sure of the circumstances but answer that question please.

Actually the state did the exact right thing with the exception of sending all the money to the mother instead of the (now grown) child. To not do so encourages scoundrels to just wait out the system.

 

[big pimp]

No it doesn't. The state doesn't even TAKE the money out. The COMPANY he works for does. THEY can charge up to 5 dollars to take it out. The state don't charge SHIT. If your company is telling you that, they are lying. This is what I mean by niggas being uneducated on the process.

YOURE WRONG I KNOW JOBS CHARGE TO PROCESS AND THE STATE . U NEED TO EDUCATED YOURESELF.

 

[big pimp]

this topic gives me hard feelings toward women. to the point where i feel ZERO sympathy for their asses when something happens to them..the courts and the police usually act on their behalf no questions asked. I pay child support too for my daughter. but, at least i can say i have been on my payments for yrs, and my situation is stable.

COSIGN.

 

[yureeka9]

Just damn...

 

[big pimp]

This is why its important to vote... A lot of these crazy judges get voted in year after year..

This man caught a raw deal...

I voted but obama aint going to do shit.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

YOURE WRONG I KNOW JOBS CHARGE TO PROCESS AND THE STATE . U NEED TO EDUCATED YOURESELF.

You stupid motherfucker...who do you think I work for??

Wait, I stand corrected, I forgot that in all states, federal law has mandated that they charge $25 a year and that is only for people not receiving any government assistance. WOW what profit. We burn that in long-distance calls a day.

 

[unda_line]

I want to know what happens when a father loses his job (Like a half million did last month) and has no income. Will he be responsible for those months too?

If the father was with the woman they would have to change their lifestyle to accommodate the real life situation...

I know the answer is to go to court to modify the payments...but that isn't always as easy as it seems when he might be thousands of miles away from her, in another state or locked up.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

Actually the state did the exact right thing with the exception of sending all the money to the mother instead of the (now grown) child. To not do so encourages scoundrels to just wait out the system.

See, my common sense tells me that the money should be sent to the child, but when I think about it, it makes sense to send it to the mother. Basically, they look at it like the father owed support back then and the mother had to take other resources to cover the child. So the father was "loaned" the money by virtue of not paying and now must pay it back to her.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

I want to know what happens when a father loses his job (Like a half million did last month) and has no income. Will he be responsible for those months too?

If the father was with the woman they would have to change their lifestyle to accommodate the real life situation...

I know the answer is to go to court to modify the payments...but that isn't always as easy as it seems when he might be thousands of miles away from her, in another state or locked up.

Yes, you are responsible for the months that you are unemployed because if the child was with you, you would still be responsible or taking care of him. You would have to show 6 months of changed income before most courts will look at modification. If she's in another state, you can use long-arm or UIFSA and her state gives YOUR state jurisdiction to modify and enforce the case, so you don't have to go to her state and can appear in your local court.

ADVICE TO BROTHERS: Don't do child support private. EVER. Always sign up with the state. It is to your benefit. Well, unless you are a sorry piece of shit not planning on taking care of your seed.

 

[big pimp]

You stupid motherfucker...who do you think I work for??

Wait, I stand corrected, I forgot that in all states, federal law has mandated that they charge $25 a year and that is only for people not receiving any government assistance. WOW what profit. We burn that in long-distance calls a day.

You stupid motherfucker who do u work for since you think you know it all.or are you one of them brother's working for the fuckup state child support system.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

You stupid motherfucker who do u work for since you think you know it all.or are you one of them brother's working for the fuckup state child support system.

I work in the family courts, i've forgotten more family law than you'll ever know and can state cases and precedents in my sleep. Show me where the state is charging NCP's for services other than the $25 I mentioned earlier. Federal law prohibits charging of extraneous fees and doing so will get your federal funding nixed. And that's how offices get money cause there's no profit in C/S.

The only things you have to pay for with the state is a DNA test and court costs. Show me where the state is making profit off child support. Orrrrrrr shut the fuck up nigga. And take care of your kids.

 

[big pimp]

I work in the family courts, i've forgotten more family law than you'll ever know and can state cases and precedents in my sleep. Show me where the state is charging NCP's for services other than the $25 I mentioned earlier. Federal law prohibits charging of extraneous fees and doing so will get your federal funding nixed. And that's how offices get money cause there's no profit in C/S.

The only things you have to pay for with the state is a DNA test and court costs. Show me where the state is making profit off child support. Orrrrrrr shut the fuck up nigga. And take care of your kids.

Ok nigga I take care of my kids. And good for you with youre state job. $25 from 13.000 and more people that's not a profit.That is profit.