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Charles Barkley: LeBron James will never be a top-five NBA great
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People don't want to admit it tho@KingTaharqa Come get your boy
When you break down Lebron's game, what does he do well?
3pt shooting - not a good shooter from behind the arc.
Catch and shoot- not a good catch and shoot player
Mid range jumper - has never developed a mid range game
inside Post moves - is not a good post player
Playing off the ball - he still struggles when asked to do this
Lebron mainly scores off bulldozing to the rim, put backs off rebounds, lob passes and occasional outside shooting.
What he is tho is a great passer, has a good bball IQ and very good defensively. But a skillfull player he has never been
Wait, so what about the 'showtime' lakers? So the players in the 80s weren't as skilled as the players in the early 60s(we know they were more athletic)? Bruh, you do know racial quotas during Oscar's peak season kept talent OUT of the league, don't you? Talent kept out AND and inflated pace? Come on man. Shit on todays era. I get it. It's cool, but let's pace adjust the 80s numbers.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...st-triple-double-machine-in-recorded-history/
Magic has 4 triple double seasons with pace adjustment. Please don't say the 60s were more skilled than the 80s. Please don't go there. Please. Seriously. Don't do it. Have you even watched the 60s film? Jesus fucking christ it's hard on the eyes.
PACE POINTS REBOUNDS ASSISTS
D. Green 2016 GSW 99.6 19.2 13.3 10.4
R. Westbrook 2016 OKC 96.8 34.0 11.3 14.9
R. Westbrook 2015 OKC 95.7 41.1 10.6 12.5
L. James 2013 MIA 90.7 37.5 11.2 10.1
L. James 2009 CLE 88.7 40.8 10.9 10.4
J. Kidd 2008 NJN 91.5 16.0 11.4 14.7
J. Kidd 2007 NJN 91.4 18.6 11.7 13.2
J. Kidd 2006 NJN 89.8 19.1 10.4 12.1
J. Kidd 2005 NJN 89.1 21.0 10.8 12.1
J. Kidd 2002 NJN 91.8 20.7 10.2 13.8
G. Hill 1997 DET 84.5 30.9 13.0 10.5
D. Walker 1990 WSB 99.4 12.9 12.0 10.9
M. Johnson 1989 LAL 100.1 28.7 10.1 16.4
M. Johnson 1983 LAL 103.8 21.1 10.9 13.2
M. Johnson 1982 LAL 103.1 22.5 11.7 11.6
M. Johnson 1981 LAL 102.7 27.2 10.9 10.8
T. Boerwinkle 1975 CHI 99.7 13.8 15.6 11.1
Players who have averaged a pace-adjusted triple-double
W. Chamberlin 1964 115.1 33.3 20.2 4.6 14.5
O. Robertson 1962 124.9 26.7 10.8 9.9 14.2
So we got players from the 70s all the way up to the 2010s. Pace adjusted. Who really has the impressive stats?
60-80s players are way more skilled then players today; and if you going to adjust numbers like that, ok cool; then there shouldnt be no argument from you are others about stephs #s this year, in regards to his mvp; his adjusted numbers are more impressive than any nba player in like the last 15years, actually longer...
http://www.businessinsider.com/awesome-stephen-curry-is-awesome-2016-2
And whether you adjust pace or not, if you have been watching basketball since the 70s or 80s; you would never say that todays nba player is more skilled then those players back in the day; And lets take it a step further; What would LBJ do in steph body
; meaning put his skill set in steph body and what he do??? Now put stephs skill set in LBJ body, and what would he do.....
He's greater than Barkley
60-80s players are way more skilled then players today; and if you going to adjust numbers like that, ok cool; then there shouldnt be no argument from you are others about stephs #s this year, in regards to his mvp; his adjusted numbers are more impressive than any nba player in like the last 15years, actually longer...
http://www.businessinsider.com/awesome-stephen-curry-is-awesome-2016-2
And whether you adjust pace or not, if you have been watching basketball since the 70s or 80s; you would never say that todays nba player is more skilled then those players back in the day; And lets take it a step further; What would LBJ do in steph body
60 players were not more skilled in general. Watch the film. Watch Russell's offense.
Watch how they shot. The wing play was terrible an sloppy as shit. Players dribbled with one fucking hand. We are talking QUOTA era. Before Red had faith in black players, white folks said 'black' ball was unskilled. They created the fucking myth that cacs had more skills. More fundamentals. Here we are in 2016 keeping that myth alive. Those other arguments of your are for another time. I just wanted to kill that Oscar Robertson and Russell( although you don't argue for him) BS.
Simple equation: Pace + Quota = Inferior Ball
Those are facts. I've proven the pace part, and the quota part is a well-know fact even RUSSELL addressed.
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It was 60-80s, dont just cherry pick on 60s; Now we are only talking about greats I thought; Show me a guard thats considered great right now that is more skilled then the Big O; There are average players in every area; Plenty of players right now that cant shoot, dribble or pass; so thats stupid as well; There was no Russell Big O BS; simple fact is no one has done it; now like I said before, if you wanna start going to "pace" numbers then thats cools; shut the fuck up about Curry and his numbers, because there is no comparison then...anybody can make #s look they way they want; so again like I said, dont use those pace numbers to prove your point, then talk shit about other points that make Currys numbers look astronomical...shit is retarded....60 players were not more skilled in general. Watch the film. Watch Russell's offense.
Those other arguments of your are for another time. I just wanted to kill that Oscar Robertson and Russell( although you don't argue for him) BS.
Simple equation: Pace + Quota = Inferior Ball
Those are facts. I've proven the pace part, and the quota part is a well-know fact even RUSSELL addressed.
Please don't compare Oscar to jordan
I actually love Oscar def in my top 7 but I would never compare him with Jordan...
Man look how soft the game was back in the 60's plus they was slow as shit and couldn't shoot worth a shit...
Too many white boys in the game back then, so all stats have to be taken with a grain of salt!!!
To think this was two of the better teams in 1967
LeBron is great, but he can't shoot, can't post and takes far too many breaks on defense. Draymond got him for 34 and 10.
Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Tim, Russell, Wilt in any order are still above LeBron on skill/all around players.
Folks forget about Tim, just because he is quiet.
I just don't see how LeBron could be seen better than Duncan or Wilt. The other four will NEVER be moved off the mountain
Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Tim, Russell, Wilt in any order are still above LeBron on skill/all around players.
Folks forget about Tim, just because he is quiet.
I just don't see how LeBron could be seen better than Duncan or Wilt. The other four will NEVER be moved off the mountain
Check the vid RR posted. Matter of fact, check more videos from the 60s. Shit is just
Big O didn't have wing comp. Period. Plenty of players in the 60s couldn't shoot, dribble, or pass. Go look at film. Stop trying to throw the quota era in with the 80s. If you are going to argue for Curry and pace, than LBJ is up there too and he has don't it FOR YEARS. Curry would be insane with the 60s pace. And please don't have him play against those players.
Did you see how slow the closeouts were in the 60s? It's like they played in quicksand. Cats pounding the ball with one hand and moving slow as fuck. Damn. You see Bill try to play offense? He was 6'9" and long and couldn't shoot a good percentage. Shit makes you cringe like watching TT play offense.
Ducan is a great system player who inherited a team that was great before he got there and will be great still after he is gone... To be top five you have to have a combonation of team accomplishments, own personal hardware and stats...
Ducan has 2 MVP's and 3 finals MVP very good but was never considered the greatest player in his era and never had those killer stats...
In comparison LeBron already have 4 MVP's, 3 finals MVP's was the best player in his era, by far and could wind up as the top three scorer, top three assist and one of the top re-bounders... Make no mistake about it LeBron is on his way to being the all time great...
Don't kill the messenger, just check the video and tell me some of those chicks in the WNBA could'nt get in with work back then...Are yall old enough to have played Intellivision?
Check the vid RR posted. Matter of fact, check more videos from the 60s. Shit is just
I try not to compare the eras anymore... but considering how few black players there were in the 60s.. it's like segregated baseball to me. Most NBA teams in the 60s had 3-4 black players max.
When you do a top 10 list from the 50s.. 8 of them are white.
I'm saying that clip looked like Intellivision. I don't know if you're old enough to have played that shit..but it was slow as stick men.. that was in the advent gaming.
Thats my point on how watered down that shit was, enough that I take those records back then with a grain of salt..
Ok caught my lacking, but yeah they look like robots especially them white boys...
This is crazy. Duncan was the anchor of championship teams that spanned 3 decades and widely considered the greatest PF of all time.
I will give him that title and easily top ten, but that top five spot, in my book take a little bit more... Put it this way, think of your greatest Tim Duncan moment and tell me what you come up with....
Ok caught my lacking, but yeah they look like robots especially them white boys...
You see how they were moving around. You got Wilt out there shooting free throws underhanded.. PGs who cant use their off hands.. man.. look at the exchange at the 1:00 mark.. that was an easy trap and dude even think about trapping right there. This shit shit looks like a different sport... (they were hitting those mid-range shots though)
Eewwll u a 80s baby?
I know gene like 42
I know gene like 42
Oh. Gene is older than me man. Gene copped the Intellivision the year is came out
While drinking whiskey and holding his sonOh. Gene is older than me man. Gene copped the Intellivision the year is came out
His son is your age
The air balls and those klunks had me dying, and not one dunk...
I know it was different era but got damn them boys looked SAWFT as shit!
The air balls and those klunks had me dying, and not one dunk...
I know it was different era but got damn them boys looked SAWFT as shit!
Running up the court dribbling hard as fuck with one hand and their heads down. That shit looks like when I'm in a third world country and you see a court with people who just learned how to play as adults
Yeah. You also know the history of the game. How did white people refer to above the rim play? Russell spoke of quotas. Red from the Celtics is the first one to really take the risk with black players and look what that led to. What year was the first all-black starting five for major college hoops? Think about high school? How many wing players who weren't giants didn't get a chance?
Baseball and football were also fucked up. That's why we say Ruth and them should have an * next to their records. But cats keep talking about a blatantly racist era. All those players were pioneers. Deserve their respect. My questions is how many black players didn't make it for the quota...
Word up, but CAC's always seem to over look that shit...
Yep.
Duncan is the best power forward PERIOD. it's debatable that Bron is the best Small Forward vs Bird. Folks hate Bird because he was white, but the passing, shooting , and rebounding were all more dominant than LeBron on paper.
Now skill vs skill Duncan was not as exciting, but his game is far more complete on BOTH ends of the court vs LeBron.
LeBron is special, but at the best of the best you can't overlook LeBron's major shooting deficiencies
IMO Duncan is the best of his era...his only competition was Kobe, and I think that Duncan was just far more consistent ( he very had those down years like Kobe did), and his skill set was far more efficient and he played better defense
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