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Family in SUV issues statement in New York City biker road rage incident
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NEW YORK (WABC) -- The Lien family, who was traveling in the SUV that ran over a motorcyclist on the Henry Hudson Parkway before a frightening chase and beating, released a statement through their lawyer Thursday morning.

The frightening incident was recorded on a helmet camera and went viral.

Here is the full text of the statement, which appears to have been written by Alexian Lien's wife:

" Our plan last Sunday was to celebrate our wedding anniversary by having a nice family day out with our two-year-old daughter. Unfortunately, instead, we were placed in grave danger by a mob of reckless and violent motorcyclists.

"Our sympathies go out to the injured motorcyclist and his family. However, we were faced with a life-threatening situation, and my husband was forced under the circumstances to take the actions that he did in order to protect the lives of our entire family. Our fear for our lives was confirmed when the incident ended with the ruthless and brutal attack on my husband, me, and, most importantly, our two-year-old child. We know in our hearts that we could not have done anything differently, and we believe that anyone faced with this sort of grave danger would have taken the same course of action in order to protect their family.

" We would like to thank the brave citizens who risked their own safety to intervene on our behalf. They truly helped save our lives and prevented my husband from suffering further injury. We also appreciate and are moved by the outpouring of love and support so many have expressed here in New York and around the country.

" We would ask that the public and the media to respect our privacy at this difficult time and allow my husband to recover from his injuries. From here on forward we would ask that any further inquiries regarding this unfortunate incident be directed to our lawyers Nicholas J. Massimo and Frank C. Panetta."

NEW YORK (WABC) -- The NYPD has released new photos in the search for a biker who used his helmet to smash the window of an SUV before a brutal assault that followed a frightening clash between a group of motorcycle riders and the driver of the SUV on the Henry Hudson Parkway.

Investigators also released photos of two witnesses with whom they would like to interview. CLICK HERE TO SEE THE PHOTOS.
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Anyone with information regarding this incident is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-577-TIPS (8477).

Meanwhile, biker Edwin Mieses, whose relatives say was just trying to help a fellow biker, may be paralyzed for life and could lose his leg.

Friends and family gathered Wednesday night at St. Luke's Hospital, where the 32-year-old Mieses remains in a medically-induced coma.

"An accident is an accident," witness Jerome Davis said. "If something happens, you stop right there. It's an accident. You think and stop. You don't keep reacting on."

The story began with the now-viral video that was posted on YouTube, which shows the group of dozens of bikers swarming the highway and surrounding the black SUV, driven by Alexian Lien.

The Lien family released a statement about the incident Thursday morning, in which they expressed sympathy for Mieses but said they were placed in grave danger.

CLICK HERE for the full text of the statement

On the video, biker Christopher Cruz is seen pulling in front of the SUV and slowing down, and he gets bumped from behind.

That set off the chain of events that ended with Lien being beaten in front of his wife and 2-year-old daughter, after he ran over Mieses while desperately trying to get away from the bikers.

Authorities confirm that detectives went the Bellport, Suffolk County, home of the 37-year-old motorcyclist who shot the video. They recovered a GoPro helmet camera, two laptop computers, a cell phone and a digital camera, which they will scour for any potential new evidence that was not posted.
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Detectives also interviewed the person who shot the video as part of the continuing investigation. No charges were filed.

Mieses wife, Dayana, says her husband was just trying to help Cruz after the initial accident, and now he may never walk again. Supporters are calling for Lien to be charged.

"A man got ran over," said Jose, who attended the rally. "A man got paralyzed. He's in this hospital. He's in a coma. It wasn't because he was trying to hurt anybody. It wasn't because he's an evil person. It was because he tried to extinguish a situation that could have got worse, and did become worse."

Organizers collected money for Mieses' family, and they hoped to spread the message that biker clubs are not gangs.

Cruz was arraigned Wednesday on charges of reckless driving and unlawful imprisonment. His attorney, H. Benjamin Perez, said his client denied all the allegations.

"He will come back to fight this case and clear his name," he said.

Prosecutors served notice that they intend to take the case against Cruz to a grand jury, a sign that more serious charges are likely.

A second suspect, Allen Edwards, 42, of Jamaica, Queens, surrendered to police at the 33rd Precinct Tuesday night. It is believed he is the man who punched the rear window of the SUV with his fists at the end of the video.

He had been held and questioned overnight Tuesday, and police initially said he would be charged with reckless endangerment, criminal mischief and menacing. But the office declined to prosecute at this time, pending further investigation of the entire incident.

Anyone with information regarding the incident is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-577-TIPS (8477).
 
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exactly, the crazed one was the driver of the vehicle. they just detained dude, his wife and kid was in no presence of danger other than his own wreckless driving doing 100+ in a range with a baby in the car:smh:

So could this all have been avoided if the biker didn't "bike-check"?

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NYC Biker: Range Rover driver was a maniac!




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Guy is fulllllll of shit ..... he is as clueless on TV as he is on the road.
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I saw the video. from about 10 different cameras.

Bikers illegally undertook and overtook the SUV and they were upset that the SUV didn't pull over and give them the entire road...

So one of the bikers pulled in front of him and put on brakes suddenly trying to make him stop.

The driver (Asian) had no idea what was going on and thought this was a hostile gang robbery and bumped the biker, causing him to fall over.

All motorcycles and the SUV then stopped. The bikers got off their bikes and started beating on the SUV and the driver, (very correctly) took off, running over some bikes and one biker in the process.

The bikers then chased him down until he was hemmed in by traffic, smashed his windows out, dragged him out of the car and beat him severely.

Every biker that can be identified should be charged with attempted murder.

But they won't be... Because they are black.:eek::smh::angry:

This is why i carry a class III automatic rifle in my vehicle.
Have him recount the order of events he just described in reverse. Lying asshole.
You're buddy's idea to brake check a "maniac" didn't turn out to well did it?
Admit it, you're gang backed someone into a corner and didn't give them any alternative but to fight back. Take your lumps.
Fuck that piece of shit. The video shows it all. It shows them break checking the SUV causing the accident. Swarming the SUV then chasing then attacking it. This guy is full of shit.
Those bikers are fucking idiots, they think they can do what ever the fuck they want just because they got around 400 idiots on bikes with them. If they would have surround me like that, I would have done same thing, they are lucky its not in TX, we got lots of guns.
The amount of time this punk spent looking down and saying "uhm" makes him look like a liar.
"Ummm ... and then .. ummmm.. and ummmm". Sounds convincing.
:hmm:
that was the shittiest dave chappelle skit ever
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So could this all have been avoided if the biker didn't "bike-check"?

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probably yes, if the biker didnt slow down to bike check as i know, but if you didnt know it maybe as the driver said he thought to put his family in danger or whats another reason a bike might slow down possibly, :rolleyes:a problemed bike, maybe to tighten a helmet, a missed shift in a gear or any other possibility, which the biker would of still got ran over because the driver supposably interpreted the event wrong.
 
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Yall still going at this? You need some ice cream?
 
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peace



Wyllin:smh: from the brake checks on the highway to them ALL coming to a total stop on the WSH:hmm:

Damn, he caught one b4 he ran em over on some MadMax shit?

U could tell the cac driver panicked as he zoomed way passed '25th, which is layered with them boys once u past the McDs & '58th where he had a chance to take it up B'Way to get someone's attn.
Definitely an Uptown/Bx thing with all them dirtbikes thrown in there too.

probably yes, if the biker didnt slow down to bike check as i know, but if you didnt know it maybe as the driver said he thought to put his family in danger or whats another reason a bike might slow down possibly, :rolleyes:a problemed bike, maybe to tighten a helmet, a missed shift in a gear or any other possibility, which the biker would of still got ran over because the driver supposably interpreted the event wrong.

at which point the bike would pull over to the shoulder to do all that and not purposefully get in front of a vehicle to make such adjustments, because the biker would know that to be dangerous
 
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at which point the bike would pull over to the shoulder to do all that and not purposefully get in front of a vehicle to make such adjustments, because the biker would know that to be dangerous

well he did look right(thats where the shoulder is) isnt that what your suppose to do before going off to the shoulder if you can make it there without the bike stalling completely in the middle lane, i mean whats the rules ya got 2 seconds to get out the lane or prepare for my pirrellis
 
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well he did look right(thats where the shoulder is) isnt that what your suppose to do before going off to the shoulder if you can make it there without the bike stalling completely in the middle lane, i mean whats the rules ya got 2 seconds to get out the lane or prepare for my pirrellis

ok..you're right
 
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probably yes, if the biker didnt slow down to bike check as i know, but if you didnt know it maybe as the driver said he thought to put his family in danger or whats another reason a bike might slow down possibly, :rolleyes:a problemed bike, maybe to tighten a helmet, a missed shift in a gear or any other possibility, which the biker would of still got ran over because the driver supposably interpreted the event wrong.

Didn't they start hitting the SUV with helmets and try to open the door? That is when he bolted, at least that is the story I heard.
 
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Didn't they start hitting the SUV with helmets and try to open the door? That is when he bolted, at least that is the story I heard.

that was after he ran over 2 people and lead a 5 mile chase
 
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Damn. Why the fuck would he even go on CNN if he couldn't articulate his side of the story? It just makes him look stupid.
 
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Damn. Why the fuck would he even go on CNN if he couldn't articulate his side of the story? It just makes him look stupid.

i mean he aint gonna snitch on his fellow rider cause he gotta go back to the hood, but everybody aint gonna resist that chance for fame
 
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this was truly messed up. But had they have not created this mess by stopping short in front of the range and blocking up the whole damn highway this would have never happened.
I have biker friends and no i don't agree with the shenanigans that they do to the walking public and other motorist. Being stopped on the highway while rushing somewhere to be dead stopped by this bullshit is annoying. What if the driver was actually a crazed person, a whole lot of bodies could have been spread across that highway with that baby tank OR A CONCEALED WEAPON. What started out as an accident caused by the motorcyclist turned crazy when they surrounded the truck. Homeboy panicked from fear.
 
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so your saying they hit the suv with a helmet after he ran over 2 of the riders and kept gassin it
 
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this was truly messed up. But had they have not created this mess by stopping short in front of the range and blocking up the whole damn highway this would have never happened.
I have biker friends and no i don't agree with the shenanigans that they do to the walking public and other motorist. Being stopped on the highway while rushing somewhere to be dead stopped by this bullshit is annoying. What if the driver was actually a crazed person, a whole lot of bodies could have been spread across that highway with that baby tank OR A CONCEALED WEAPON. What started out as an accident caused by the motorcyclist turned crazy when they surrounded the truck. Homeboy panicked from fear.


probably yes, if the biker didnt slow down to bike check as i know, but if you didnt know it maybe as the driver said he thought to put his family in danger or whats another reason a bike might slow down possibly, a problemed bike, maybe to tighten a helmet, a missed shift in a gear or any other possibility, which the biker would of still got ran over because the driver supposably interpreted the event wrong.
 
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Bottom line
Asians can't drive and bikers are jerks
 
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Bottom line
Asians can't drive and bikers are jerks

True...a lot of bikers are assholes.

On that same day I was on that same road on the way back to Massachusetts....

I'm doing 65 in the slow lane,3 bikes went pass me...on my right,flying.

Scared the fuck out of me because it was unexpected...as they zig-zagged thru lanes all I could say was 'motherfuckers'.
 
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No, that was immediately after he got brake-checked into an accident.

Bullshit and stop it. Nothing supports your claim. And when this fucktard is caught on tape a couple years from now bragging about he ran over a bunch of- excuse me "gang"- of bikes, cause he knew he could... Take a deep look at yourself in the mirror.

I'm amazed at how some of y'all can't pause even for a second to express remorse over the injured biker. Y'all sound exactly like these racists posting in the ny post comments section. Some real self hate. And if you can't see this is absolutely colored by race ur blind. Listen to the choice of words (father of 2-aspiring rapper- like he doesnt do shit else, he doesn't put his kids to bed, love his wife and mother... None if it). A bike gang hogging the road, "who do they think they are... I would've run over all of'm; bullshit! You'd run over all of them if they were black but youd give it slightly more consideration if they were white, and you know it. White banker vs. black/ Latino aspiring rapper. And y'all fall for it every time. Ones out with his family... The other part of a gang. So, the gang member biker couldnt have been trying to be helpful and the banker couldn't have had road rage. Y'all didn't even pause for a second to consider. And dude is paralyzed... Smfh. Easy apply stereotype situation.
 
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Bullshit and stop it. Nothing supports your claim. And when this fucktard is caught on tape a couple years from now bragging about he ran over a bunch of- excuse me "gang"- of bikes, cause he knew he could... Take a deep look at yourself in the mirror.

I'm amazed at how some of y'all can't pause even for a second to express remorse over the injured biker. Y'all sound exactly like these racists posting in the ny post comments section. Some real self hate. And if you can't see this is absolutely colored by race ur blind. Listen to the choice of words (father of 2-aspiring rapper- like he doesnt do shit else, he doesn't put his kids to bed, love his wife and mother... None if it). A bike gang hogging the road, "who do they think they are... I would've run over all of'm; bullshit! You'd run over all of them if they were black but youd give it slightly more consideration if they were white, and you know it. White banker vs. black/ Latino aspiring rapper. And y'all fall for it every time. Ones out with his family... The other part of a gang. So, the gang member biker couldnt have been trying to be helpful and the banker couldn't have had road rage. Y'all didn't even pause for a second to consider. And dude is paralyzed... Smfh. Easy apply stereotype situation.

stop. just stop.

i feel sorry for your mother and your father.
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we dont even have to stereotype.
Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver’s license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorney’s Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show.
Mieses was sentenced to jail in 2004 for distribution of cocaine, in 2001 for operating without a license, in 2000 for possession of a firearm, and in 1999 for possession of marijuana, receiving stolen property, destruction of property and attaching plates, according to court records.
- See more at: http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio...has_long_criminal_record#sthash.DXqGnLF4.dpuf

in several more days, we can expect more rap sheets are gonna come out showing what pieces of shit these guys are. that type of hobby attracts a certain demographic, usually those from the criminal underworld. the RR driver is a stand-up guy. he went to Columbia, comes from an underprivileged background, and is the shining example of what a first generation immigrant is. he's accomplished what i couldn't (i.e. get into private equity in the tech sector) and i know how hard it is to get there.
 
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dont get the arguments
its just this simple

two idiots met
and as usual
idiotic results happened...

point blank...

lets remove the biker and place him in a vehicle...
can you rear end a car?

it was road rage which turned out for the worst for all parties...

remember going down south back in those summer days...and they said dont swat at the wasps...they gonna swarm...

personally if im riding with the fam, just pull da fuck over and let them fly by, why subject myself to danger/problems by lowering myself to idiot behavior....

nigga moments...grow..

my only suprise is, the asian guy is able to walk and talk after getting caught...
 
Just heard on the news that the family of that paralyzed biker has hired celebrity attorney Gloria Aldred to represent them..... hmmmm. I was already calling bullshit on the wife's claims about the innocence of her husband and the hooligans with him, but now I really don't believe her.

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stop. just stop.

i feel sorry for your mother and your father.
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we dont even have to stereotype.

- See more at: http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio...has_long_criminal_record#sthash.DXqGnLF4.dpuf

in several more days, we can expect more rap sheets are gonna come out showing what pieces of shit these guys are. that type of hobby attracts a certain demographic, usually those from the criminal underworld. the RR driver is a stand-up guy. he went to Columbia, comes from an underprivileged background, and is the shining example of what a first generation immigrant is. he's accomplished what i couldn't (i.e. get into private equity in the tech sector) and i know how hard it is to get there.



That's not the narrative? You stop. I understand saying the driver was probably scared-bc I'm sure he was- but the way everyone has dismissed the dude who was gravely injured is very disturbing. He did not deserve to be paralyzed... And half the people saying f'm are only looking at two things; and you damn well know it. So you stop.
 
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That's not the narrative? You stop. I understand saying the driver was probably scared-bc I'm sure he was- but the way everyone has dismissed the dude who was gravely injured is very disturbing. He did not deserve to be paralyzed... And half the people saying f'm are only looking at two things; and you damn well know it. So you stop.


So you agree the driver was scared.. whose actions instilled that fear in him? Was it not initiated by an illegal act? The other biker was definitely in the wrong place at the wrong time
 
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dont get the arguments
its just this simple

two idiots met
and as usual
idiotic results happened...

point blank...

lets remove the biker and place him in a vehicle...
can you rear end a car?

it was road rage which turned out for the worst for all parties...

remember going down south back in those summer days...and they said dont swat at the wasps...they gonna swarm...

personally if im riding with the fam, just pull da fuck over and let them fly by, why subject myself to danger/problems by lowering myself to idiot behavior....

nigga moments...grow..

my only suprise is, the asian guy is able to walk and talk after getting caught...

I agree with you.

People on here are acting like these wild savages caught up to the SUV raped the wife and threw the baby in the river.
 
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Bullshit and stop it. Nothing supports your claim. And when this fucktard is caught on tape a couple years from now bragging about he ran over a bunch of- excuse me "gang"- of bikes, cause he knew he could... Take a deep look at yourself in the mirror.

I'm amazed at how some of y'all can't pause even for a second to express remorse over the injured biker. Y'all sound exactly like these racists posting in the ny post comments section. Some real self hate. And if you can't see this is absolutely colored by race ur blind. Listen to the choice of words (father of 2-aspiring rapper- like he doesnt do shit else, he doesn't put his kids to bed, love his wife and mother... None if it). A bike gang hogging the road, "who do they think they are... I would've run over all of'm; bullshit! You'd run over all of them if they were black but youd give it slightly more consideration if they were white, and you know it. White banker vs. black/ Latino aspiring rapper. And y'all fall for it every time. Ones out with his family... The other part of a gang. So, the gang member biker couldnt have been trying to be helpful and the banker couldn't have had road rage. Y'all didn't even pause for a second to consider. And dude is paralyzed... Smfh. Easy apply stereotype situation.

First of all, I am just saying what was reported. I know it was not on the camera but the driver apparently has witnesses. If it IS "bullshit" we will find that out eventually but until then, the driver bolted because he was being attacked. Now if that biker was not riding with no license he would not be paralyzed. If he wasn't part of the group who decided to stop and terrorize the family he would not have been paralyzed. If he thought putting his bike in the way of the driver's escape route was a good idea, he was stupid.

...and exactly what does this have to do with self-hate??? Was that a black guy who got paralyzed? I thought he was Hispanic, but I guess I was wrong about that. Even so, being black doesn't make him right. And calling him out for it does not mean I hate myself.
 
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First of all, I am just saying what was reported. I know it was not on the camera but the driver apparently has witnesses. If it IS "bullshit" we will find that out eventually but until then, the driver bolted because he was being attacked. Now if that biker was not riding with no license he would not be paralyzed. If he wasn't part of the group who decided to stop and terrorize the family he would not have been paralyzed. If he thought putting his bike in the way of the driver's escape route was a good idea, he was stupid.

...and exactly what does this have to do with self-hate??? Was that a black guy who got paralyzed? I thought he was Hispanic, but I guess I was wrong about that. Even so, being black doesn't make him right. And calling him out for it does not mean I hate myself.

There are Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many ifs in your reply- which is my point. We're very quick to dismiss one party before all the if's have been answered. Biker was Hispanic... They're disposable too, same as black to some. I never said the bikers were right... In any of my posts, I've always maintained the video isn't black and white. But some of y'all- maybe not you- are so quick to assume the absolute worst its disturbing.

This was not a gang. There was a method to there madness (not saying it was right). And I'm not dismissing this dude didn't suffer from severe road rage.
 
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PHOTO: Biker Edwin Mieses pictured moments after he was run over by Range Rover in harrowing chase


The photo shows a member of the massive biker pack that terrorized a young family on the West Side Highway last Sunday.


By Beth Stebner / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Thursday, October 3, 2013, 6:46 PM
Updated: Thursday, October 3, 2013, 10:38 PM


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Edwin Mieses shown just moments after being run over by a Range Rover SUV being driven by Alexian Lien after an altercation on New York's West Side Highway.


Lying face down on the West Side Highway and surrounded by his biker gang friends, 32-year-old Edwin Mieses is pictured moments after he was run over by a Range Rover.

In the photo, Mieses can be seen holding the hand of another biker, his legs bent unnaturally.

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Photo of Edwin Mieses at St Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital, where he remains in a medically induced coma.

Mieses was part of a vicious bike gang that pursued a Manhattan couple and brutally beat the husband, 33-year-old Alexian Lien.

The motorcyclist was run over by Lien as he tried to escape the pack, and remains in a medically induced coma at St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center.


His injuries are severe — the biker had both legs broken, bruised lungs, and spinal fractures. His family said previously they are fearful their son will never walk again.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-side-highway-article-1.1475764#ixzz2glMNdNzo
 
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Dude that got paralyzed shouldn't even have been on the road. So much fAil
 
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