Carbs are what make you fat!

Fruit is the shit, no doubt about it. But, you should mixed some leafy greens and whole grains into the mix. Fruit is not the nutritional end all be all.

thats why fruit is 80.

veggies, nuts and seeds makes up the other 20.
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Everybody should read:
Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health
By Gary Taubes
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http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/1400033462/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283192752&sr=1-1#reader_1400033462
 
the food in the US is also loaded with crap. thats why in-shape foreigners who come to the US and eat roughly the same amount of food end up getting fatter...

Motherfuckers in Europe (particularly France and other Mediterranean countries) tend to cook their own food from scratch. They also don't get their carbs from Wonder Bread, French Fries and Pizza, and they walk. Not to mention that a lot of their fats are in the form of olive oil, which is high in mono-unsaturated fat and Omega-6 fatty acids. Americans drive everywhere and eat processed flour, saturated fats and trans fats like they are going out of style. When a foreigner comes over here and starts doing the same, of course they are going to suffer the same fate.
 
the food in the US is also loaded with crap. thats why in-shape foreigners who come to the US and eat roughly the same amount of food end up getting fatter.

go to somewhere like France where they've been eating a relatively stable diet for a long time and you see them in fact eating carbs and not getting fat. as soon as they adopt the US diet they get fat.

Someone posted a video in the fitness section that scientists predicted that 80% of english men will be fat by 2020. I know it's not France but considering that they are neigboring countries...they aint' far from it either.

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=508707
 
the food in the US is also loaded with crap. thats why in-shape foreigners who come to the US and eat roughly the same amount of food end up getting fatter.

go to somewhere like France where they've been eating a relatively stable diet for a long time and you see them in fact eating carbs and not getting fat. as soon as they adopt the US diet they get fat.

For real,

People eat Carbs like crazy over seas. The Chinese eat rice everyday and they don't have an obesity problem. The Italians, French, and Faggot Spaniards eat cheese, pasta, bread, rice like mad and they don't have a obesity problem. Why? Because they make their stuff naturally. If you buy a baguette in France you only got a day to eat it fresh; the next day it's stale and could spoil.

Slice Bread that could last 2-3 weeks in the fridge ain't natural.

You don't see any recorded history about different Cultures throughout history, who have been eating Carbs for centuries, having an obesity problem.


In the US, it's not Carbs you should watch out for. It's stuff that ain't natural that makes you fat.
 
This is pure quackery. Every scientific and medical research body agrees that carbs should be the foundation of the human diet. Moreover, ketosis will ruin your kidneys by forcing them to deal with all of the nitrogen released by the breakdown of protein that makes ketone bodies (fats, carbs and ketone bodies are composed of carbon, nitrogen and oxygen, while protein comprises carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen.) That nitrogen has to be stripped off protein in order to synthesize ketone bodies, and your kidneys have to remove it. When you force yourself into ketosis for a long time, you place a huge stress on your kidneys. Eventually that will catch up to you.

I don't know where you get your information, but nothing you said was valid, except that ketoacidosis is harmful. And, do you know what Ketoacidosis is? It's a high concentration of ketone bodies in the blood, caused by the inability to metabolize carbs. Thus the body must rely on fats and protein as its primary fuel source, and the deamination of aminoacids (removing the nitrogen) floods your bloodstream with urea.

Warning: Don't listen to these nutritionally ignorant wing-nuts on BGOL. If you have questions about nutrition, take a look at the American Dietetic Association website: http://www.eatright.org/ .

I agree with 99% of what you've said in this post but the minute you disqualify everyone else's input, you sound funny. How does one discern whether or not you're a quack also?
 
Someone posted a video in the fitness section that scientists predicted that 80% of english men will be fat by 2020. I might be wrong tho.


The English eat a lot of Processed foods, just like in the US. They have the same problems with fast food chains and unnatural products.
 
For real,

People eat Carbs like crazy over seas. The Chinese eat rice everyday and they don't have an obesity problem. The Italians, French, and Faggot Spaniards eat cheese, pasta, bread, rice like mad and they don't have a obesity problem. Why? Because they make their stuff naturally. If you buy a baguette in France you only got a day to eat it fresh; the next day it's stale and could spoil.

Slice Bread that could last 2-3 weeks in the fridge ain't natural.

You don't see any recorded history about different Cultures throughout history, who have been eating Carbs for centuries, having an obesity problem.


In the US, it's not Carbs you should watch out for. It's stuff that ain't natural that makes you fat.

True, true. These countries also eat a much smaller portion than we do as well. I've done a 1,800 - 2,300 calorie per day diet and a CKD Keto diet. I've had great success with each but since I'm in the gym 6 times a week, Keto was sooooooo far better.
 
This is pure quackery. Every scientific and medical research body agrees that carbs should be the foundation of the human diet. Moreover, ketosis will ruin your kidneys by forcing them to deal with all of the nitrogen released by the breakdown of protein that makes ketone bodies (fats, carbs and ketone bodies are composed of carbon, nitrogen and oxygen, while protein comprises carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen.) That nitrogen has to be stripped off protein in order to synthesize ketone bodies, and your kidneys have to remove it. When you force yourself into ketosis for a long time, you place a huge stress on your kidneys. Eventually that will catch up to you.

I don't know where you get your information, but nothing you said was valid, except that ketoacidosis is harmful. And, do you know what Ketoacidosis is? It's a high concentration of ketone bodies in the blood, caused by the inability to metabolize carbs. Thus the body must rely on fats and protein as its primary fuel source, and the deamination of aminoacids (removing the nitrogen) floods your bloodstream with urea.

Warning: Don't listen to these nutritionally ignorant wing-nuts on BGOL. If you have questions about nutrition, take a look at the American Dietetic Association website: http://www.eatright.org/ .


How do the Inuit survive? Their diet is over 70% fat, and dont suffer heart disease, diabetes, etc ... better call all those scientific and medical research bodies for an explanation, because we all know that they are never wrong. About anything. Ever. Maybe I should switch to margarine like they say... or avoid avocados and fatty fish... the food pyramid is how we should all eat, because we all know how healthy the Western diet is :hmm:
 
Motherfuckers in Europe (particularly France and other Mediterranean countries) tend to cook their own food from scratch. They also don't get their carbs from Wonder Bread, French Fries and Pizza, and they walk. Not to mention that a lot of their fats are in the form of olive oil, which is high in mono-unsaturated fat and Omega-6 fatty acids. Americans drive everywhere and eat processed flour, saturated fats and trans fats like they are going out of style. When a foreigner comes over here and starts doing the same, of course they are going to suffer the same fate.

The French eat butter like MAD. Even the butter in the US isn't really natural.
 
Everybody is different...Great for you. I truly wish I could eat like you without bloating and gaining extra lbs. Fruits for me is like Chinese food, the more I eat, the hungrier I get...What a coincidence they are both packed with carbs.

i used to do a low carb diet for almost 2 years with phenomenal results. my cholesterol, blood pressure, triglycerides and all other vitals were great (even though i never had issues with these vitals anytime in my life).

i put on tons of muscle while strength training and life was great!

the only thing is, eating that way got old, quick, and the amount of fat and grease CAN'T good good in the long-run. :smh:

you made it sound like my body is different and anybody else would gain fat eating tons of fruit. that is just a big misconception in the low carb community. don't believe that shit for one minute!

eat tons of fruit and veggies and watch how quick you lose body fat.
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True, true. These countries also eat a much smaller portion than we do as well. I've done a 1,800 - 2,300 calorie per day diet and a CKD Keto diet. I've had great success with each but since I'm in the gym 6 times a week, Keto was sooooooo far better.

I see what your saying. But don't try to stay on Keto too long brutha.
 
i used to do a low carb diet for almost 2 years with phenomenal results. my cholesterol, blood pressure, triglycerides and all other vitals were great (even though i never had issues with these vitals anytime in my life).

i put on tons of muscle while strength training and life was great!

the only thing is, eating that way got old, quick, and the amount of fat and grease CAN'T good good in the long-run. :smh:

you made it sound like my body is different and anybody else would gain fat eating tons of fruit. that is just a big misconception in the low carb community. don't believe that shit for one minute!

eat tons of fruit and veggies and watch how quick you lose body fat.
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I fully understand and agree. Personally if I eat fruits or veggies', I become extremely hungry which starts the nasty cycle of eating everything until full instead of watching portion control.

I feel that low-carb diets work exceptionally well for Women and Men who live sedentary lifestyles.

I see what your saying. But don't try to stay on Keto too long brutha.

Thanks, I treat myself to a cheat day once per a week. I eat so much damn much that I become sick of sweets which helps me adjust back to Keto the following day. The major downside of Keto is that you become constipated something awful...Your allowed to have no more than 20g of carbs per day, some people can go as far as 50g per day but I'm hardcore with it. So I digest absolutely nothing with carbs except a protein shake.
 
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I've done a 1,800 - 2,300 calorie per day diet and a CKD Keto diet
I never heard about the CKD Keto diet but I do understand about the 1,800-2,300 cal per day thing.In June I was consuming 1,200 a day,if that and thats when I got down to what I call my pre-teen weight 111-20,just to see if I could do it and maintain it.

I was snoop dogg baby boy skinny...no muslce in sight.
 
You need SOME carbs in your diet. Despite what was said, your brain does need a ready source of carbs to function properly, and ketosis will tear up your liver. Low carb diets are not all bad, but should not be sustained for a long period of time (I was told ~8 weeks by professors in my classes.)

The problem is people sit on they asses all day and don't workout. Hell if you just got up and moved you could help combat obesity with that one step. At least it would not be as bad as it is now. Portion control, healthy foods, and exercise and you will be str8. :yes:
 
I never heard about the CKD Keto diet but I do understand about the 1,800-2,300 cal per day thing.In June I was consuming 1,200 a day,if that and thats when I got down to what I call my pre-teen weight 111-20,just to see if I could do it and maintain it.

I was snoop dogg baby boy skinny...no muslce in sight.

Crazy, I did 1,200 a couple of times and said fuck the gym. I got the current Muscle & Fitness mag beside me right now with Stallone being interviewed.

Stallone
"The best shape I was ever in was probably Rambo III, and that was in the stickfight scene. I was 178lbs with very low bodyfat."

Have you done some drastic diets in the past?
Oh, yeah. In Rocky III I got down to 164lbs and my bodyfat was about 3.2%. I became almost bulimic from my desire to keep my calories to about 900 a day. I got away with it because of my youth. But today? That could be fatal.
 
Is cooking with Olive Oil bad for you when on a diet.

From a weight loss board

Olive oil is one of the healthiest fats you can ingest-it protects your heart, lowers bad cholesterol levels, contains omega-3's which can raise your good cholesterol, it promotes healthy skin, hair and nails, and tastes great on just about anything. If you use a lot of butter, or other oils, try switching to olive oil. you don't need to use a lot, but if you are someone who avoids fats currently, you will find that adding Olive oil to some of your foods will increase the amount of time you are sated from them.
 
From a weight loss board

Olive oil is one of the healthiest fats you can ingest-it protects your heart, lowers bad cholesterol levels, contains omega-3's which can raise your good cholesterol, it promotes healthy skin, hair and nails, and tastes great on just about anything. If you use a lot of butter, or other oils, try switching to olive oil. you don't need to use a lot, but if you are someone who avoids fats currently, you will find that adding Olive oil to some of your foods will increase the amount of time you are sated from them.

props
 
Is cooking with Olive Oil bad for you when on a diet.

olive oil is not really good for you. the mediterranean diet turns out to basically be good because of the other stuff - vegetables, a smal amount of fish. the olive oil is NOT good for you but the veggies balance it out.

that said its better than the crap oils in american supermarkets like corn or canola.

i'm eating a salad w/ olive oil right now..
 
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. If high fructose corn syrup was indigestible, then you would pass it in feces, undigested, like fiber and other indigestible carbs. It is highly digestible. It's broken down into monosaccharides in your small intestine (actually, the process of breaking it down begins in your mouth, as soon as the salivary amylase in your spit mixes with it.) Then it's absorbed, though a combination of active transport and facilitated diffusion, right through the intestinal wall.

High fructose corn syrup is bad for you because it represents a lot an extreme and unnecessary source of empty calories and has an extremely high glycemic load. It's not natural fructose (i.e. fruit sugar.) It's corn syrup that has been subjected to a process that converts it's glucose into fructose (which is the sweetest monosaccharide.)

that boy studied his anatomy & physiology
 
Thanks, I treat myself to a cheat day once per a week. I eat so much damn much that I become sick of sweets which helps me adjust back to Keto the following day. The major downside of Keto is that you become constipated something awful...Your allowed to have no more than 20g of carbs per day, some people can go as far as 50g per day but I'm hardcore with it. So I digest absolutely nothing with carbs except a protein shake.

this is what i did when i did the low carb for 2 years, only i ate what i wanted for 2 days instead of one.

it's called the Anabolic Diet for body builders, where i kept my carbs to 40 grams maximum per day, monday thru friday. then on saturday and sunday, i "carbed up" and i ate whatever i wanted. then, monday morning i went right back to the low carb eating. as long as i went right back, i would stay in ketosis.

what this did was loaded my system with carbs which "stuffed" my muscles with glycogen and gave me an INCREDIBLE pump in the gym when i lifted! people thought i was on steroids because i packed on muscle so quick!

i just got tired of eating all that meat (grease) and stopped. :dunno:

thanks to NinjaspiT and this thread, i now am on a raw food diet. i've been on the raw food diet for the past 11 months where all i eat is raw fruits, vegetables nuts, seeds and sprouts. this way of eating IS BY FAR the best i have ever felt in my life! this shit actually reverses the aging process and heals all types of ailments all by itself!

people are telling me that i look like i did in high school decades ago!
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this is what i did when i did the low carb for 2 years, only i ate what i wanted for 2 days instead of one.

it's called the Anabolic Diet for body builders, where i kept my carbs to 40 grams maximum per day, monday thru friday. then on saturday and sunday, i "carbed up" and i ate whatever i wanted. then, monday morning i went right back to the low carb eating. as long as i went right back, i would stay in ketosis.

what this did was loaded my system with carbs which "stuffed" my muscles with glycogen and gave me an INCREDIBLE pump in the gym when i lifted! people thought i was on steroids because i packed on muscle so quick!

i just got tired of eating all that meat (grease) and stopped. :dunno:

thanks to NinjaspiT and this thread, i now am on a raw food diet. i've been on the raw food diet for the past 11 months where all i eat is raw fruits, vegetables nuts, seeds and sprouts. this way of eating IS BY FAR the best i have ever felt in my life! this shit actually reverses the aging process and heals all types of ailments all by itself!

people are telling me that i look like i did in high school decades ago!
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Major props! I'm trying to do it like you. 2 years of low-carbs takes extreme committment and willpower.

I'm going to get around to the raw diet in a few months. I just want to add on some more muscle first.

My george foreman grill gets mad play so I don't consume much grease. I think I empty the grease tray like almost every 2 days.
 
Major props! I'm trying to do it like you. 2 years of low-carbs takes extreme committment and willpower.

I'm going to get around to the raw diet in a few months. I just want to add on some more muscle first.

My george foreman grill gets mad play so I don't consume much grease. I think I empty the grease tray like almost every 2 days.

yeah man, the raw food way of living is nothing short of miraculous. :yes:

if you want to make it easy on yourself, s l o w l y add raw fruits and veggies over time, more and more. after a while, your body wil want more and more of it and less of the non healthy foods.

then, switching to 100% raw will be a breeze.

the shit takes mad self-discipline and commitment though.
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EXCESS carbs do make you fat. The more carbs you eat the more the glucose in the carbs is turned into glycogen and fat. Carbs are meant to be taken moderately rather than in excess. You would be shocked as to how much carbohydrates are put per unit volume in processed food, one processed meal can give your body enough glucose to last you two days
 
Carbs.....fat..... its the calories you are consuming that counts. Try going 1500 to lose weight. Write down what you put in your mouth, you'd be surprised.:yes:
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http://ezinearticles.com/?Carbohydrate-Sensitivity-Explored---Another-National-Epidemic&id=860233

Carbohydrate Sensitivity Explored - Another National Epidemic

If you've ever heard someone say they are a carbohydrate addict, they probably aren't far off the mark. Carbohydrate sensitivity is a relatively new phenomenon, in terms of it being the national epidemic that it is. With the increasing consumption of packaged, refined and sweetened foods over the past decades, there has been a corresponding decrease in whole, unprocessed foods. Eating a diet consisting of heavily refined foods, which includes a high-carbohydrate content, will cause you to gain weight and eventually develop carbohydrate sensitivity.

This carbohydrate-craving trend most likely occurred from decades of misconceptions about diet as well as through misleading advertising and diet fads. Consider this: we are eating over twelve times the amount of sugar our great grandparents were consuming in the early part of the century. That's roughly equivalent to 160 pounds of sugar per person per year. Now, imagine filling up your living room or garage with those 160 of those one pound packages you buy at the grocery store-really get a mental picture of it. Let's say you don't eat as much as others, and cut it in half. It's still a hefty pile, isn't it? You see, most people have no idea that they're eating so much sugar. Much of it is hidden in processed foods as well as their beverages.

Chalk it up to a lack of relevant health education by our government, or just a lack of impetus on the part of individuals to do their own research, but whatever the cause of this health crisis, the bottom line is this. Sugar is lethal in large doses. It may not kill you the way heroin might in a single overdose, but its chronic strain on the pancreas and the body will trigger diseases that will most certainly destroy you. Before it does that though, eaten out of moderation sugar will first cause you to become overweight.

Inside the body, carbohydrates are converted to glucose (sugar). Translated, that means carbohydrates equal sugar, and for those of you who are already overweight, those complex carbohydrates will also be stored as fat. This is called carbohydrate sensitivity. I know-- it's not fair! But here are the facts: your body isn't supposed to eat all the sweet stuff you've put into it, and if you are sensitive to carbs, it means your body has gotten out of whack.

What is Carbohydrate Sensitivity?

Carbohydrate sensitivity is connected to the pancreas and insulin production, but I'll get to that a little later. Here's a number to shake you up. Did you know that up to 40% of a person's carbohydrate intake during a meal can be converted and stored as fat? Multiply that times a few meals a day, and you see the outcome: a bulging waistline. The problem with a high-carbohydrate diet is that it's devastating to your natural metabolic processes.

This means that when you become carbohydrate sensitive, your body can no longer burn fat effectively, and those moderate to low-glycemic and complex carbohydrates get stored as fat. Many people walk around completely unaware that they're metabolically challenged from their carbohydrate intake. I know that I was completely ignorant for years, which was at least partly due to my misconception that I had to be overweight to be carbohydrate sensitive. Wrong. I was just extremely active and things looked all right on the outside. Slowly but surely, I'd reach for the carb every time over the protein.

I was carbohydrate addicted. The beginning of my real education on the subject and my change in diet was when I learned about insulin in the body and a low-glycemic approach to eating.

Insulin Loves Glucose

Before you start yawning and think, oh boy, now it's getting technical and here's where I sign off, please don't! Learning about the glucose-insulin response just might change your life.

Your hormone insulin really loves glucose. Inside your body, glucose is a byproduct of carbohydrate breakdown. When you eat carbohydrates, your body breaks it down into a form of sugar called glucose. Now I'll keep it simple here for the layman.

Insulin is like an escort. It escorts the sugar into your muscle cells, where it's then used to produce energy. We need energy, so we can thank both insulin and glucose for their terrific partnership-that is, when they have a normal relationship.

Now, complex carbohydrates make the insulin release more slowly from the pancreas, which is what you want. You want a slow courtship of insulin and glucose. Let's say you eat simple sugars or highly processed foods containing sugar. Those carbohydrates break down very fast into glucose. What happens then is that insulin levels rise rapidly in order to escort more glucose into the tissues and your bloodstream is quickly bombarded with excess insulin. If you didn't understand how it works before this, can you see how that this kind of chronic situation in the body will absolutely lead to diabetes? Remember, diabetes spares no one when it comes to diet and lifestyle induced diabetes.

Your body can normally handle occasional overloads of simple carbohydrates and store them as extra glucose, rather than fat. But many people have abused their systems for so long-through simply eating too many refined carbohydrates or living with other problematic factors such as chronic stress-that their bodies start to work against nature. Essentially, their once normal and healthy metabolism begins to malfunction, and their compromised bodies store carbohydrates as fat instead of burning glucose for energy.

Once you've become carbohydrate sensitive it tends to go downhill. Even a balanced meal of chicken or pork, some potatoes or bread, and a nice array of vegetables don't get metabolized correctly. This kind of meal in and of itself shouldn't be fattening. However, you can become so sensitive to the bread and the potatoes in your meal that you will deposit even the carbohydrates and protein as body fat. And if you eat a piece of bread or a small plate of pasta, your body will send your insulin levels soaring, reacting as strongly as if you had eaten a piece of cake.

To add insult to injury, your intake of sugar also raises your cholesterol. Now, you can understand why so many people struggle to lose weight and promote better health, even when they switch to a "healthier" diet.

Other Factors Triggering Carbohydrate Sensitivity

Lack of exercise

Glucose is stored in the muscles, and if you have a low percentage of muscle and a high percentage of fat-where can glucose go? One of the most important things you can do to overcome this sensitivity is to change your body composition by exercising. This will preserve and enhance lean muscle mass which will help lower your body fat and raise your metabolism.

Chronic Stress

Our bodies deal with stress by raising cortisol levels, a hormone secreted from our adrenal glands. This, in turn, triggers the release of glucose from its "storage "depots" and into the bloodstream. Insulin levels also increase so glucose (which you remember is dearly loved by insulin) can be escorted from the blood to those working muscles that need it for energy.

But when stress is constant, high glucose and insulin are also constant. Being under acute stress is the same as if you had eaten a piece of cake--and experiencing chronic anxiety and stress is like eating cake all day long. The result is insulin resistance inside the insulin receptors on the cells-they simply don't recognize insulin anymore. The escort glucose might as well be an imposter now.

To add insult to injury even further, stress spikes insulin levels as if we ate the cake, and then we do eat cake--giving the insulin response system a double whammy.

Serotonin Hormone

Serotonin, one of your brain's central neurotransmitters, is involved in regulating your appetite and hunger. If you have too little serotonin, you will crave carbohydrates and feel depressed. Increasing your serotonin blunts your yen for carbohydrates. Serotonin is also a mood regulator and increases your sense of well-being. Not surprisingly, when this hormone is stimulated you eat less, gain less, and burn more calories.

How Do You Know if You're Carbohydrate Sensitive?

If you're a woman, the odds are you'll become carbohydrate sensitive sooner and more easily than a man will. While men tend to use carbohydrates for energy, women tend to store them as fat. This is especially true as women age. Menopausal women tend to be more prone: they don't have enough estrogen stores to deal with cortisol and its tendency to make the body store fat. It's just female biology.

Factors That Might Indicate Carbohydrate Sensitivity

--You crave carbohydrates

--You are overweight or obese

--You don't exercise very much or at all

--You're a woman and over forty

--You suffer from chronic or bouts of depression and compulsive overeating (serotonin or other neurotransmitter imbalance, possibly)

--You have been over-stressed for some time

--You are hormonally challenged and under a doctor's care

--You react negatively to eating sugar, i.e., you become tired, groggy, and your mental response becomes sluggish

--You reach for carbohydrates over protein most or all of the time

--Your diet doesn't consist mostly of whole foods, especially low to moderate glycemic foods

If you identify with the signs, consider that you might have a problem, but don't despair. I promise you can learn how to stop this heart-breaking cycle and get off the carbohydrate-sugar rollercoaster forever.
 
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