Carbs are what make you fat!

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Standard disclaimer: I'm not a nutritionist (thank God) and I take no responsibility for anyone doing something stupid and hurting themselves. The following information works for me, it stems from what I've read and tried, from years of intense interest in the subject, and by examining the available information from a standpoint of extreme skepticism.

Americans are getting fatter each year. Adult-onset diabetes is epidemic. The diet industry is a multibillion-dollar monster and growing as fast Americans' bulging stomachs. There are good reasons for all this and much of it stems from misinformation and the inherent complexity of the problem. Most people can't handle multivariable problems and so they buy into gross simplifications and the diet and especially food industries prey on their beliefs.

The USDA Food Pyramid is a complete joke and is partly to blame. For instance, bananas are almost all carbohydrate and are fattening. Chemically, potatoes don't belong with those green vegetables like broccoli at all. They need to be moved in with the bread and cereals. And look at the tip: "Fats, Oils and Sweets". Well, your body processes sweets as if they were in the Bread, Cereal, Rice and Pasta group. It's precisely this non-intuitive reality that screws people up, confuses them and destroys their health.

The last time they overhauled the Food Pyramid it was changed radically from what came before, like, threw the whole thing out and completely replaced it. The bottom line is that it's ad-hoc guesswork. It reminds me of those maps from the Middle Ages that show the edge of the world where the sea dragons live.

Obesity is unhealthy. It's not beautiful or natural. It's a symptom of illness. If you're obese, besides putting great stain on your cardiovascular system and joints, you're toting around large amounts of pesticides and other toxins in your fat cells that your body stored there instead of excreting.

CONVENTIONAL WISDOM

What is conventional wisdom in nutrition? It basically goes like this: eating fat makes you fat. Butter, salt, cholesterol, fatty foods, saturated fat will all kill you or at least make you fat. Diet and low-fat foods will help you lose weight.

I think this is all crap and there is tons of evidence out there to support that claim.

Conventional wisdom about nutrition and diet is either confused (in the easy case of carbohydrates where the ill-informed always go off about simple vs. complex) or just plain wrong (in the complex case of the many different types of fats and oils).

The average person doesn't know beans about nutrition and I've felt for some years that neither does the typical nutritionist or doctor. Although I've found doctors have admitted it - they're simply not trained in that area - I can't imagine you'd find a nutritionist who would. If you want someone well-versed in the way mammal bodies react to food, you'll have to talk to a molecular biologist or a farm veterinarian. The nutritionists would have you believe the way to fatten up livestock would be to feed them fatty foods. The vet (or any livestock farmer) will tell you that the way to do it is to feed them grain. You know. The stuff they make bread and pasta out of: carbohydrate.

First of all, most people don't know the following: All sugars are carbohydrate and all carbohydrates are sugar. They're two different words for the same thing. So get that straight. When somebody tells you they're on a high carbohydrate diet, it means they're on a high sugar diet. To your body, there is NO difference between simple and complex carbohydrates - it all ends up as glycogen in your bloodstream, so the minute you hear someone differentiate in the context of nutrition (and in the same breath NOT differentiate between types of fats), or start talking about "refined sugars," treat what they have to say with skepticism.

People don't realize that foods long considered healthy, like corn, peas, rice and potatoes, are almost entirely sugar and have very little nutritional value. Doritos are made of corn. Doritos will make you fat. There's no real mystery. Starch = sugar = carbohydrate -- to your body it's all the same stuff. On WebMD I recently read an article by a nutritionist who said "get plenty of carbohydrates but cut back on starchy foods" and I laughed out loud. Those nutrition websites are always a source of endless hilarity.

Secondly, there is real confusion about all the different kinds of fats and oils. Part of the problem is all the contradictory studies. It's really difficult to control for nutritional studies on people, and many of the studies are funded by the food corporations that have their own agendas. The amount of money in "low-fat" and "diet" foods, the amount of money to be made by keeping the public ignorant, is just obscene.

Nutrients and the way the body uses them involve really complex processes. But there's one thing we do know: when you eat carbohydrates your body turns it into glycogen which is dumped into your bloodstream. This is the same for all carbohydrates, simple or complex: the only difference is how long it takes the body to process them. Complex, like in fruit, sit in your stomach for awhile, while simple, like in Coke, get into your bloodstream through the walls of your cheeks and tongue before you even swallow, but it's all glycogen in the end.

Your body can't handle much sugar in your blood, so the pancreas begins pumping out insulin which tells your fat cells to absorb the blood-sugar, to "load up" -- to fatten up. This happens rapidly. Minutes after drinking a can of soda or beer, the fat is going directly onto your thighs and elsewhere. You're drinking yourself fat.

It was a great coup for the breakfast cereal industry to convince Americans in the 70s that their product was health food. Soda pop, fruit juice and breakfast cereal are the main reasons child obesity has taken off in the last thirty years.

Here's what my studying has led me to believe: EATING FAT DOES NOT MAKE YOU FAT. Eating an excess of carbohydrates does.

Saturated fat, completely contrary to the conventional wisdom which has utterly demonized it, is the healthy fat. Lard. Butter. Nuts. This is the fat our bodies evolved to eat. It's completely natural, unmodified by technology, and the consumption of which is absolutely necessary for survival. Saturated fat only becomes unhealthy if you fry it and the oil is modified by the high heat.

If you are overweight, you are compounding your health problems by restricting saturated fat intake and at the same time probably replacing healthy saturated fat with modified hydrogenated oils in "low-fat" foods that are slowly killing you.

There are many type of fats and oils. The most dangerous are what are called trans fats. Those are what French fries are deep fried in; what you get when you heat up vegetable oil. Long term effects on the human body are unknown, but there is increasing links to stroke and heart disease.

OBESITY: IT'S ABOUT THE CARBOHYDRATES

Our increasingly sedentary natures don't help, and the ingestion of incredibly dangerous trans fats and other harmful fats have much to do with our declining health, but obesity in Western society is mainly about carbohydrates.

At the turn of the century the average American ate two pounds of sugar. Do you know what it is now? 160 pounds, and for many of us it's probably twice that. The human body didn't evolve to handle that kind of input. The pancreas works overtime to flood your system with insulin several times a day, every day. By the end of each day, it's completely exhausted and your bloodstream is still jacked up with dangerously elevated levels of sugar. Eventually your pancreas functionality is borderline to failure and you've got adult-onset diabetes. Eventually it fails for good and suddenly you're a diabetic.

A study about a year ago got a lot of press. It showed that a child who drank two cans of soda a day WILL be overweight. That's two cans of soda, not "lots of high fat foods."

At the turn of the century something like 2 or 3 percent of people were dying from heart attacks and stroke. What is it now? 70% and rising? You don't go from 2% to 70% with a slight decline in lifetime physical activity. But what about a typical lifetime sugar (carbohydrate) consumption increase of eight thousand percent?

What do YOU think the connection is?

I've come to the conclusion that healthy diet means emulating, as closely as possible, the way our ancestors ate; eating the foods we literally evolved to eat. And I'm telling you right now that's not hydrogenated oil process cheese spread and non-dairy whip topping. It's the foods that were available in our ancestral environment: fruit and berries and lean meat and eggs and butter and cheese and cold, clear water.

Education and carefully conducted studies are the key. Unfortunately even once something has been determined scientifically, it takes at least a decade -- probably two -- for it to filter down and become common knowledge. I mean, how many of you still think eating whole eggs is unhealthy because of their cholesterol when it was determined unambiguously three years ago that dietary cholesterol has NO effect on blood level cholesterol? The cholesterol you eat is broken down and doesn't get into your bloodstream undigested. Whole eggs are about the healthiest thing a person can eat.

WHAT TO DO IF YOU'RE FAT - STEP BY STEP

I'll keep this brief and won't offer much justification, as I've already gone on too long.

1) Go buy a big bottle of Evening Primrose Oil 500mg gelcaps from Costco. Start slow and work up to about four a day. You should find your cravings for carbohydrates drastically diminished and your overall appetite reduced almost immediately. This is natural oil, like you find in eggs and fish. It's not a drug. It's food and you can't overdose. You can take this stuff every day for the rest of your life and you'll be healthier for it. Taking regular spoonfuls of Cod Liver Oil or other fish oil is also beneficial.

2) No soda pop. None. And no fruit juice or beer. Swear off those things permanently. They're liquid obesity. Little or no calories should come from your drinks. Make water your official beverage. Get a Brita and keep cold water in the fridge.

3) Cut back absolutely as much as practical bread, cereal, pasta, rice, peas and anything made from corn or potatoes. Eat more nuts, fruit, cheese, green vegetables and lean meat.

4) Never eat margarine again. Only butter. If you have to fry, use butter. Don't use vegetable oils. If you have to deep-fry, use peanut or palm oil. NEVER eat a product that has the word "hydrogenated" in its ingredient list. Scan the ingredients list of foods you buy for this word. You can read this little thing about butter.

5) Never eat NutraSweet, Aspartame, Sorbitol or any of those chemical sweeteners. Regular soda is healthier than diet soda. If you need sweet, use sugar --the Evening Primrose Oil should reduce sugar cravings anyways. Use Google and look up "Nancy Markle" and "Betty Martini" to find out about NutraSweet.

6) Forget about drinking milk for health and cut back of you drink lots. It's not healthy. Most adults can't digest it, and you get virtually no calcium from it - it's not chelated, not bio-available. If you're worried about calcium, eat broccoli, which contains massive amounts and has plenty of other excellent nutrients.

7) Stop eating in the evening. Get your eating over with at least four hours before you go to bed. If you can, stop reading or watching TV while eating so you break the association between those activities.

What about exercise? If you keep your house clean, vacuum regularly, that kind of thing, you're probably already getting enough exercise. But it's hard to get too much; try going for walks now and then. I know that sounds glib, but diet is the crucial thing.

If you do these things, you will approach your ideal weight and become much healthier in the process. If what I've just told you changes your life, tell me about it. I'm always happy to hear that what I rant about to people works. Email me at allanoneNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthling.net.

Here's a book for you. It's the de-facto authority on fats and oils.
Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill: The Complete Guide to Fats, Oils, Cholesterol and Human Health by Udo Erasmus

It's hard to find but if you can get it, Beyond the Zone by Brian Peskins is a fascinating read and will change the way you think about what you eat. His basic thesis is that conventional wisdom in nutrition (eating fat makes you fat, margarine is healthier than butter, eggs are unhealthy, saturated fat is unhealthy) is causing skyrocketing obesity, strokes and heart attacks.

I also suggest having a look at The Zone books, the work of Dr. Barry Sears. The Zone is a bit complicated, but the science is correct. A previous poster said "The Dr. Sears Web site has some info, but seems to have strayed from its original message to some outlandish claims about fish oil." That's funny. What's actually happened is he hasn't strayed at all: he's elaborated and incorporated some of Peskin's research into his own. Now, he's completely on topic.

And finally, one last thing: Unlike all the other types of nutrients, you will never find a minimum daily requirement for carbohydrates. The shocking fact is: you don't need ANY! Absolutely ALL the carbohydrates your body needs can be derived by your body from digested fats and proteins -- the body is an amazing molecular assembly factory. I'd like the carbohydrate promoters to put THAT in their collective pipe and smoke it.

Allan

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Silly post. 1st of all everyone already knows about over eating carbs, and nobody at all is going to read all of that bullshit.
 
This is Bullshit.

The Carb Fad is Bullshit.

If you are a SERIOUS Lifter, A SERIOUS Runner, or both, --> YOU NEED CARBS.
 
yes but they also keep you going,keeping you thinking straight also.

I dare anyone to cut carbs out of their diet totally for one month and watch what happens.:lol:Your going to go crazy,say "fuck the whole idea" or be sick.

You need carbs,just make it wheat.
 
yes but they also keep you going,keeping you thinking straight also.

I dare anyone to cut carbs out of their diet totally for one month and watch what happens.:lol:Your going to go crazy,say "fuck the whole idea" or be sick.

You need carbs,just make it wheat.

LOL How do you think cavemen got by?
 
http://ezinearticles.com/?How-Do-Carbs-Make-You-Gain-Weight?&id=2686387

How do Carbs make you gain weight?

Carbs are the main reason for increasing the body weight and not fats. The source of carbs doesn't matter, whether it is sugar, fruit, bread, or vegetable. Carbs get digested quickly and are converted into blood glucose in no time. Just after you have a carb-rich meal, there is a shoot in the sugar level in the blood, and your pancreas start producing insulin in large amounts to take care of the excess sugar in the blood.

Consuming fat doesn't lead to an increase in the blood glucose and thus, the insulin levels are also maintained. The insulin hormone is responsible for fat storage in the body and so it is important that its level is maintained in the body. As fats do not trigger insulin production, they are not accumulated as body fat. Insulin flushes the excess glucose out of the blood stream. It is first converted into starch which is called glycogen. Glycogen is stored in the muscles and in the liver. But there is a limitation to the amount of glycogen that can be stored in the body and so the excess amount is stored in the form of fat.

This is how the body weight increases. When the glucose level in the blood comes down to normal after around 90 minutes, the level of insulin is still the maximum. As the insulin is still present in the bloodstream, it continues its process of converting glucose into fat. As a result of this, the glucose level in the blood falls below normal, making you feel hungry again. So, when you eat a snack rich in carbohydrates, the whole process makes you even hungrier. Thus, irony of the situation is that although you are eating and getting fat, you are still hungry and want more. It is a vicious cycle of gaining weight and getting hungry. It is very difficult to come out of this cycle and avoid overeating.

Cutting Carbs for Losing Weight: So, you have loaded extra fat onto your body and now its time to pull it off. Here you face difficulties, since a carbohydrate rich diet does not allow you to lose the excess weight. Now, it's time to use the stored fat as a fuel. The body will use this fat as energy only when you cut off the supply of fuel, i.e. the blood glucose. There are two diet plans available to cut off the glucose supply. A low-fat diet is about starving and having a very low-calorie food. The other plan is to reduce the intake of starch and sugar from which the glucose is made, and to fill the void with another fuel, i.e. fat.

The latter plan has an upper hand on the traditional diet plan as it has two advantages. The first is that you don't have to starve and the second is that by feeding on fats, the body will not search for glucose and start to use its own stored fat. Eating carbs limits your capacity of using fat. When you are on a diet, you increase your blood glucose, which in turn, stimulates the release of insulin. Even low concentration of insulin inhibits the process of breaking up fat by activating fat synthesis. In other words, when you resort to a low-fat diet which is based on carbohydrates, your body is forced into the fat-building mode and not the fat-burning mode.

In a series of articles available at http://www.generationweightloss.blogspot.com. Michael Desire recommends weight loss programs, which are going to let his readers in on the dieting techniques that work, and advise them to avoid dieting techniques that are both unhealthy and counterproductive.
 
controversial take on things. will read it a bit further

Nothing controversial about it.

http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/sugar.htm

Sugars effect on your health

The average American consumes an astounding 2-3 pounds of sugar each week, which is not surprising considering that highly refined sugars in the forms of sucrose (table sugar), dextrose (corn sugar), and high-fructose corn syrup are being processed into so many foods such as bread, breakfast cereal, mayonnaise, peanut butter, ketchup, spaghetti sauce, and a plethora of microwave meals.

In the last 20 years, we have increased sugar consumption in the U.S. 26 pounds to 135 lbs. of sugar per person per year! Prior to the turn of this century (1887-1890), the average consumption was only 5 lbs. per person per year! Cardiovascular disease and cancer was virtually unknown in the early 1900's
 
and nobody at all is going to read all of that bullshit.



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yes but they also keep you going,keeping you thinking straight also.

I dare anyone to cut carbs out of their diet totally for one month and watch what happens.:lol:Your going to go crazy,say "fuck the whole idea" or be sick.

You need carbs,just make it wheat.

To expound on this a little, you are correct carbs are needed by the body and to try to cut them out of your diet isn't going to work...

The key to eating carbs isn't just about eating wheat or whole wheat carbs b/c if you're not careful those
are bad for you too...What you want out of your
carbs is:

1.) for them to come from sprouted grains, not
enriched flour, or whole wheat flour b/c in those
forms all the natural nutritional value of the grain is
removed in the case of enriched and neither added
or removed in the case of whole...

2.) avoid any bread, pasta, etc that has any of the
following listed in it's ingredients: hydrogenated oil which is chemically modified oil that is unhealthy for the body, high fructose corn syrup b/c it is indigestible by our bodies and gets stored as fat, refined sugar for the same reason as high fructose corn syrup

3.) the best thing to do is read the labels and look for sprouted grain based carbs w/out all the processed chemicals...i would recommend organic breads and pastas that use sprouted grains, natural palm or coconut oils, and that are gluten free...
 
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Carbohydrates Make You Fat, and Perhaps Sick
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3658957&page=1

Carbohydrate Chemistry

Taubes said that after rereading years of scientific research, he has found proof that for the last half century, science has just gotten it wrong: It's not fat that is making Americans fat, he said, it is the base of the food pyramid, the complex carbohydrates, foods such as bread, pasta, potatoes. It's the starches we were told we needed that make us pudgy.

It's simple chemistry, said Taubes. Carbs spike insulin. Insulin creates sugar. And sugar packs on the pounds.

"The grains are carbohydrates," Taubes said. "They're refined carbohydrates. You take off the shell and all the protein and the vitamins, and you refine it down, and you end up with something that its primary effect on the body, immediate effect, is to raise insulin levels. And if you raise insulin levels, what that does is drive calories into your fat tissue. Raising insulin literally works to make you accumulate fat. This is one of these phenomena that for some reason the medical research establishment has chosen to consider irrelevant to why we get obese."
 
To expound on this a little, you are correct carbs are needed by the body and to try to cut them out of your diet isn't going to work...

The key to eating carbs isn't just about eating wheat or whole wheat carbs b/c if you're not careful those
are bad for you too...What you want out of your
carbs is:

1.) for them to come from sprouted grains, not
enriched flour, or whole wheat flour b/c in those
forms all the natural nutritional value of the grain is
removed in the case of enriched and neither added
or removed in the case of whole...

2.) avoid any bread, pasta, etc that has any of the
following listed in it's ingredients: hydrogenated oil which is chemically modified oil that is unhealthy for the body, high fructose corn syrup b/c it is indigestible by our bodies and gets stored as fat, refined sugar for the same reason as high fructose corn syrup

3.) the best thing to do is read the labels and look for sprouted grain based carbs w/out all the processed chemicals...i would recommend organic breads and pastas that use sprouted grains, natural palm or coconut oils, and that are gluten free...


You do not need carbs to live.
 
Silly post. 1st of all everyone already knows about over eating carbs, and nobody at all is going to read all of that bullshit.


And next up....Water makes you wet???:eek:


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*two cents*

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_grams_of_carbs_are_recommended_per_day

Grams of Carbs Recommended Per Day

If you are trying to lose weight, 20-70 grams are recommended - depending on your level of activity. See the link, further down this page, listed under Related Links.

If you are not trying to lose weight, 180-230 grams are sometimes recommended. However, for health there is no minimum daily carbohydrate requirement.
 
Carbs don't make you fat; eating more calories than you burn makes you fat. You can get fat from eating protein & fats too. If you ate 4000cals of protein everyday, you'll get fat...and fuck up your kidneys.
 
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Fat has far more kcalories/ gram than carbs (9kcal/gram vs. 4kcal/gram.) Moreover, anything will be stored as fat if your kcalorie intake exceeds your daily energy expenditure. Carbs are also the preferred fuel for your brain and central nervous system. Additionally, whole grains are loaded with fiber and vitamins, especially the B vitamins: thiamine, riboflavin, niacin and folate (and a bunch of other vitamins and minerals as well.) So, if you cut out carbs completely, you're fucking up. You will force yourself into ketosis. That may enable you to make some impressive short term weight loss, but it likely incur some nutritional deficiencies and it wreaks absolute havoc on your kidneys. Once you've damaged your kidneys sufficiently, then you'll really be in a world of shit.

As for me, I don't eat a lot of bread, pasta and sweets, but I get ample carbs from vegetables, fruits and oatmeal.
 
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Carbs don't make you fat; eating more calories than you burn makes you fat. You can get fat from eating protein & fats too. If you ate 4000cals of protein everyday, you'll get fat...and fuck up your kidneys.

Do you know how insanely hard that is to eat for your typical American to eat 4,000 cals of protein? Your typical American doesn't eat the recommended protein intake per day.

Fat has far more kcalories/ gram than carbs (9kcal/gram vs. 4kcal/gram.) Moreover, anything will be stored as fat if your kcalorie intake exceeds your daily energy expenditure. Carbs are also the preferred fuel for your brain and central nervous system. Additionally, whole grains are loaded with fiber and vitamins, especially the B vitamins: thiamine, riboflavin, niacin and folate (and a bunch of other vitamins and minerals as well.) So, if you cut out carbs completely, you're fucking up. You will force yourself into ketosis. That may enable you to make some impressive short term weight loss, but it likely incur some nutritional deficiencies and it wreaks absolute havoc on your kidneys. Once you've damaged your kidneys sufficiently, then you'll really be in a world of shit.

As for me, I don't eat a lot of bread, pasta and sweets, but I get ample carbs from vegetables, fruits and oatmeal.

The brain can use carbs or ketones as the body's preferred fuel.

I'm not telling you guys to completely cut out carbs but shedding light on one of the many reasons why Americans continue to pack on fat a alarming rate. I've did a straight no carb (well 6 grams per day) for 2 weeks which produced the best state I have been in mind and body. I usually do a CKD keto diet.
 
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LOL How do you think cavemen got by?

whatever they ate probably was high in fat and I dont know about the sugar aspect,maybe they ate bee's honey,not everyday but enough to make it work for them.Their enviroment would also play apart to.
 
...high fructose corn syrup b/c it is indigestible by our bodies and gets stored as fat

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. If high fructose corn syrup was indigestible, then you would pass it in feces, undigested, like fiber and other indigestible carbs. It is highly digestible. It's broken down into monosaccharides in your small intestine (actually, the process of breaking it down begins in your mouth, as soon as the salivary amylase in your spit mixes with it.) Then it's absorbed, though a combination of active transport and facilitated diffusion, right through the intestinal wall.

High fructose corn syrup is bad for you because it represents a lot an extreme and unnecessary source of empty calories and has an extremely high glycemic load. It's not natural fructose (i.e. fruit sugar.) It's corn syrup that has been subjected to a process that converts it's glucose into fructose (which is the sweetest monosaccharide.)
 
These are excerpts from my fitness jounal...

Monday 8-9-10

Weight:199.8lbs

Notes:
Operation Bulk is a fail. I originally intended to bulk for 6 months, gained fat so fast that I figured I'd be ok with 3 months... 2 months was enough. I was sitting at 204.2lbs (clothed) this past Saturday. Not a good look at all. My abs are almost completely gone.

Almost a full year of dieting and conditioning, I understand my body type and what isn't for me. As of today I'm on a absolutely no carbs diet for 2 weeks than carb cycling their after. 3 day full body split with 10 minutes of cardio after lifting and 5 minutes sauna. Tues and Wed will be light cardio for a hour so that I'm not burning muscle and Saturday reserved for traps, forearms, and calves.



Not even a week past by...

8-14-10 Saturday

Weight:191.2lbs

Notes:
Geez, I didn't expect this type of weight loss...I did not lose any strength but my muscles do look flat due to the drain of glycogen. My Wife was very impressed as I was dressing today. The abs are coming back! Just gotta get rid of this spongey lower abdominal fat I developed while bulking.
 
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Fat has far more kcalories/ gram than carbs (9kcal/gram vs. 4kcal/gram.) Moreover, anything will be stored as fat if your kcalorie intake exceeds your daily energy expenditure. Carbs are also the preferred fuel for your brain and central nervous system. Additionally, whole grains are loaded with fiber and vitamins, especially the B vitamins: thiamine, riboflavin, niacin and folate (and a bunch of other vitamins and minerals as well.) So, if you cut out carbs completely, you're fucking up. You will force yourself into ketosis. That may enable you to make some impressive short term weight loss, but it likely incur some nutritional deficiencies and it wreaks absolute havoc on your kidneys. Once you've damaged your kidneys sufficiently, then you'll really be in a world of shit.

As for me, I don't eat a lot of bread, pasta and sweets, but I get ample carbs from vegetables, fruits and oatmeal.

Dietary carbohydrate isnt actually necessary... dietary protein can be converted to glucose. You can live just fine with absolutely no dietary carbohydrates. On the other hand, you cannot live without fat and protein.

Ketosis is perfectly safe... I think you may be getting that confused with ketoacidosis, which is dangerous.
 
The brain can use carbs or ketones as the body's preferred fuel.

No it doesn't. The brain and central nervous system use ketones as fuel (by tearing down the protein in your body) in times of fasting and/or starvation. The preferred fuel of the brain and central nervous system is carbohydrate.

That's from the point of view of registered dietitians, not some quack body builder.
 
ok then.

80 percent of my diet is fruit. apples, oranges, bananas, grapes etc. this IS basically all water and sugar.

so, by your equation sugar = carbohydrate = body fat, then i should be a complete blob then on the brink of high blood pressure and diabetes right?
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whatever they ate probably was high in fat and I dont know about the sugar aspect,maybe they ate bee's honey,not everyday but enough to make it work for them.Their enviroment would also play apart to.

Exactly why these diets work! Your using fat as energy.
 

No it doesn't. The brain and central nervous system use ketones as fuel (by tearing down the protein in your body) in times of fasting and/or starvation. The preferred fuel of the brain and central nervous system is carbohydrate.

That's from the point of view of registered dietitians, not some quack body builder.
Dietitians will also tell you to eat 6-11 servings of grains daily :smh::smh:
 

No it doesn't. The brain and central nervous system use ketones as fuel (by tearing down the protein in your body) in times of fasting and/or starvation. The preferred fuel of the brain and central nervous system is carbohydrate.

That's from the point of view of registered dietitians, not some quack body builder.

Registered dietitians also tell you that milk is a great source of calcium... :rolleyes:
 
ok then.

80 percent of my diet is fruit. apples, oranges, bananas, grapes etc. this IS basically all water and sugar.

so, by your equation sugar = carbohydrate = body fat, then i should be a complete blob then on the brink of high blood pressure and diabetes right?
:rolleyes:

Everybody is different...Great for you. I truly wish I could eat like you without bloating and gaining extra lbs. Fruits for me is like Chinese food, the more I eat, the hungrier I get...What a coincidence they are both packed with carbs.
 
Dietary carbohydrate isnt actually necessary... dietary protein can be converted to glucose. You can live just fine with absolutely no dietary carbohydrates. On the other hand, you cannot live without fat and protein.

Ketosis is perfectly safe... I think you may be getting that confused with ketoacidosis, which is dangerous.

This is pure quackery. Every scientific and medical research body agrees that carbs should be the foundation of the human diet. Moreover, ketosis will ruin your kidneys by forcing them to deal with all of the nitrogen released by the breakdown of protein that makes ketone bodies (fats, carbs and ketone bodies are composed of carbon, nitrogen and oxygen, while protein comprises carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen.) That nitrogen has to be stripped off protein in order to synthesize ketone bodies, and your kidneys have to remove it. When you force yourself into ketosis for a long time, you place a huge stress on your kidneys. Eventually that will catch up to you.

I don't know where you get your information, but nothing you said was valid, except that ketoacidosis is harmful. And, do you know what Ketoacidosis is? It's a high concentration of ketone bodies in the blood, caused by the inability to metabolize carbs. Thus the body must rely on fats and protein as its primary fuel source, and the deamination of aminoacids (removing the nitrogen) floods your bloodstream with urea.

Warning: Don't listen to these nutritionally ignorant wing-nuts on BGOL. If you have questions about nutrition, take a look at the American Dietetic Association website: http://www.eatright.org/ .
 
the food in the US is also loaded with crap. thats why in-shape foreigners who come to the US and eat roughly the same amount of food end up getting fatter.

go to somewhere like France where they've been eating a relatively stable diet for a long time and you see them in fact eating carbs and not getting fat. as soon as they adopt the US diet they get fat.
 
I don't know where you get your information, but nothing you said was valid, except that ketoacidosis is harmful. And, do you know what Ketoacidosis is? It's a high concentration of ketone bodies in the blood, caused by the inability to metabolize carbs. Thus the body must rely on fats and protein as its primary fuel source, and the deamination of aminoacids (removing the nitrogen) floods your bloodstream with urea.
Right,this is the primary thing that causes kidney disease in diabetics.
When it happens,you either lose alot of weight fast of retain that fluid.Usually you drop the weight,along with muscle from uncontrolled blood sugars.
 
And it is, stupid


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Humans don't absorb much of milk... Your better off eating broccoli for a source of calcium.

http://www.antiaginglifeextension.com/health_matters_minutes/articles/milk.asp?a=1563&c=&p

The Shocking Truth About Milk . . .
Your Worst Source of Calcium

Does that mean that we have been fooled and milk has no calcium? Not at all. Milk contains a lot of calcium but in a form that is most difficult for humans to absorb. As a result, the calcium passes right through your system and is excreted as waste.

Only in raw milk is the calcium easily absorbable. Raw milk, however, is just about impossible to obtain, as most states have out-lawed the sale of raw milk.
 
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