BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... 76ers win (AGAIN)

[cranrab]

ummm, fakers haven't won in philly since 2000? 6 consecutive losses?

tobe, ALL WORLD nba superstar goes 7-27 FGA (25%)?

tobe, ALL WORLD defensive stopper, who if you listen to dumb fu-ks on BGOL, guards the opposing team's BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER, watched as a REAL scorer goes for 34 on 10-23 shooting (43%)...

tobe held himself to 3 TOs and 4 PFs, so not too bad in that respect...

ho hum...

on a side note, kcal 9 easily has THE DUMBEST television broadcaster doing the games with stu... he also does the sunday night football broadcasts on WESTWOOD 1 radio...

oh, did i mention that MR. CLUTCH , tobe, took and bricked the fakers final shot of the game?

bring some more of your MYTHICAL facts, so they can be debunked all season long...

 

[xfactor]

ummm, fakers haven't won in philly since 2000? 6 consecutive losses?

tobe, ALL WORLD nba superstar goes 7-27 FGA (25%)?

tobe, ALL WORLD defensive stopper, who if you listen to dumb fu-ks on BGOL, guards the opposing team's BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER, watched as a REAL scorer goes for 34 on 10-23 shooting (43%)...

tobe held himself to 3 TOs and 4 PFs, so not too bad in that respect...

ho hum...

on a side note, kcal 9 easily has THE DUMBEST television broadcaster doing the games with stu... he also does the sunday night football broadcasts on WESTWOOD 1 radio...

oh, did i mention that MR. CLUTCH , tobe, took and bricked the fakers final shot of the game?

bring some more of your MYTHICAL facts, so they can be debunked all season long...

Yes I saw some of this game and have a few thoughts...

1) Why does Wobe Bryant continue to try to go 1 on 5 and try to make buckets... especially when he was shooting 5-55 in the game last night?

2) A.I. 2nd (Igoudala) only a 2nd year player...made Bryant look like a player that has to take a 20 somethin shots just to get 15 ppg (Ben Gordon)

3) The team only seems to win when they have strong play from Odom and Smush Parker... (but why does everyone say the team goes as far as Wobe takes them? )

4) How come Devean George doesnt get any credit for actually being a good player?

 

[cranrab]

3) The team only seems to win when they have strong play from Odom and Smush Parker... (but why does everyone say the team goes as far as Wobe takes them?

you didn't hear it from me , but lamar odom has been unhappy with his role since game 1...

the problem as i understand it, is that while lamar odom possesses enough ball handling skills (for a big man) to be versatile (and keeps his defenders guessing), he doesn't want to be FORCED into the role of a playmaker...

4) How come Devean George doesnt get any credit for actually being a good player?

devean george gets the short end of the stick from fair weather know nothing L.A. fans... the man is a slasher, finisher, rebounder, hustles for loose balls, and can knock down open shots with range... what more could you ask of a role player?

 

[Jae-Henchman951]

LOL all GREAT players got haters who dedicate threads and convos to demean them LOL the boy still averagin 34 5 & 6 nigga got one bad game and u jump on it nigga puts down 5 good ones b4 and you stay quiet Jordan had haters and still do and we all know hes the greatest Shaq got haters so do Lebron so pile yourself in the Kobe basket and cry at the end of the year when he throws up MVP numbers again like he does consistently dumb fukks(1 game in the reg season dont mean shit for the whole year couch potatoes)

 

[Havoc]

ummm, fakers haven't won in philly since 2000? 6 consecutive losses?

tobe, ALL WORLD nba superstar goes 7-27 FGA (25%)?

tobe, ALL WORLD defensive stopper, who if you listen to dumb fu-ks on BGOL, guards the opposing team's BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER, watched as a REAL scorer goes for 34 on 10-23 shooting (43%)...

tobe held himself to 3 TOs and 4 PFs, so not too bad in that respect...

ho hum...

on a side note, kcal 9 easily has THE DUMBEST television broadcaster doing the games with stu... he also does the sunday night football broadcasts on WESTWOOD 1 radio...

oh, did i mention that MR. CLUTCH , tobe, took and bricked the fakers final shot of the game?

bring some more of your MYTHICAL facts, so they can be debunked all season long...

You, sir, are truly pathetic. Do you realize that you have dedicated an entire thread to a single individual?

Did he refuse to sign an autograph for your son? Did you make a gay surrender that he refused? Do you wish that you favorite basketball player was making as much as him? If your reason for hating Kobe Bryant is not one previously listed, then please explain yourself.

It can't be about skill or talent; Kobe has already proven himself in those departments. It can't be about leadership qualities simply because most analysts agree that Kobe is slowly (but surely) becoming a leader among a team of mediocre players. It can't be about conforming to a certain style of playing; Kobe has already learned and adjusted to the triangle offense (even though he's already had exposure to it before). What is it about Kobe Bryant that drives you envy (or whatever it is) him so much?

 

[Havoc]

Yes I saw some of this game and have a few thoughts...

1) Why does Wobe Bryant continue to try to go 1 on 5 and try to make buckets... especially when he was shooting 5-55 in the game last night?

2) A.I. 2nd (Igoudala) only a 2nd year player...made Bryant look like a player that has to take a 20 somethin shots just to get 15 ppg (Ben Gordon)

3) The team only seems to win when they have strong play from Odom and Smush Parker... (but why does everyone say the team goes as far as Wobe takes them? )

4) How come Devean George doesnt get any credit for actually being a good player?

Most of these are not true. Devean George is a good player, but Smush Parker is better. You should add:

5) Why isn't Kwame Brown being attacked for his piss-poor performance. His first cop out was that the management at Chicago was bad, and so he was never allowed to blossom as a player. Assuming Scottie Pippen, Phil Jackson, and Kareem Abdul-Jabar are not all incompetent players/coaches, and know a lot about the game of basketball, Kwame should be a much better player under their tutelage. What's the deal with Kwame Brown?

Kobe Bryant was NOT shooting 5-55 (9%) last night. It was actually 7-27 (26%), even though that's still far below his capabilities. Prior to that game, he was averaging 35.3 points a game, with a FG percentage of 51.4. Afterwards, his stats were 31.3 and 46.3, respectively. Last time I checked, that wasn't bad at all.

I think it's best to hold off the comments for all players until further down the road, as it is hard to make accurate judgement calls based on the first five games of the season.

 

[cranrab]

LOL all GREAT players got haters who dedicate threads and convos to demean them LOL the boy still averagin 34 5 & 6 nigga got one bad game and u jump on it

so if we're haters, does that make homo nutsack riders like you lovers? or do you prefer your more common names of queer and faggot? simp...

nigga puts down 5 good ones b4

5 good ones? and the fakers record was what? obvious you never played a high level (if any) of organized athletics... keep reading them box scores and sportscenter, FAN boy...

still MORE funny is that you refer to 5 games, but as usual, fakers fans wanna wipe the memory of those 66 previous shit bird games he played in without shaquille o'neal LAST SEASON...

your own words make it clear your into following what TOBE puts up, and not the team does...

 

[cranrab]

You, sir, are truly pathetic. Do you realize that you have dedicated an entire thread to a single individual?

and you entered, read, and responded to this "pathetic" thread... tell me, did you also deem the NUMEROUS terrell owens threads (that were dedicated to a single individual) "pathetic" also? or how 'bout the threads that were "dedicated" to pete rose (sr. and jr.), bill romanowski, and rafael palmeiro?

don't get hysterical and let your emotions run away with you, in an adult discussion, H...

Did he refuse to sign an autograph for your son?

no, but he did treat make-a-wish sickle cell children like SHIT... but FAN boys wouldn't know such things, would they?

Did you make a gay surrender that he refused?

i'm not gay, so if i ever did make a gay overture to tobe, it would have been on behalf of his OBVIOUSLY MANY cake boy FANS that he has...

Do you wish that you favorite basketball player was making as much as him?

with few exceptions, i don't really care about player salaries...

If your reason for hating Kobe Bryant is not one previously listed, then please explain yourself.

only simple individuals reduce things down to motives of hate, jealousy, envy, etc... there is no hate, just love of AMERICAN basketball... and since DAY 1, tobe has been NOTHING except an example of teen euro basketball...

It can't be about skill or talent; Kobe has already proven himself in those departments.

only to the casual fans and lemmings who regurgitate what they read... would you (could you even be capable?) of sitting down and dissecting game film and PROVING to me that i am wrong?

tell me, H, what is (and has been) the fakers +/- with tobe on/off the floor?
if you don't know, why are you even writing, when you should be doing more reading to LEARN THE GAME? BTW, if you think i am referring to W/L when i write +/-, you are ALREADY lost, so don't even try...

It can't be about leadership qualities simply because most analysts agree that Kobe is slowly (but surely) becoming a leader among a team of mediocre players.

see, that's what's called A LOGICAL FALLACY, H... how 'bout you, yourself, H... w/o referring to "most analysts", can YOU, HAVOC, offer up an opinion in your own words that doesn't rely on regurgitation? a conclusion that was reached based on FACTS and PERSONAL OBSERVATION aided by an EXPERT understanding of the game? can you? or are you a sheep, a fraud, a poseur who just repeats shit he hears because you aren't able (or haven't tried?) to form YOUR OWN educated conclusions?

i've said from DAY 1, if you LOVE tobe, GREAT. the league needs FANS like you. if you get excited by the way he dunks the ball, GREAT...

but don't ever make the enormous error of mistaking what tobe does on the floor as BASKETBALL... that's like saying what president george bush does in the white house is christianity...

H,

you are worthy of a reply because at least you had the courage to post your pre-season prediction in my other thread...

 

[Jae-Henchman951]

so if we're haters, does that make homo nutsack riders like you lovers? or do you prefer your more common names of queer and faggot? simp...



5 good ones? and the fakers record was what? obvious you never played a high level (if any) of organized athletics... keep reading them box scores and sportscenter, FAN boy...

still MORE funny is that you refer to 5 games, but as usual, fakers fans wanna wipe the memory of those 66 previous shit bird games he played in without shaquille o'neal LAST SEASON...

your own words make it clear your into following what TOBE puts up, and not the team does...

HOMIE YOU THE SAME CRABBY PAT(CRANRAB)THAT WAS TALKIN SHIT LIKE 7 MONTHS AGO BOUT D WADE BETTER THAN KOBE THE FUCK I REALLY THINK THAT YOU TRIED REALLY HARD TO PERFECT YOUR GAME TRIED OUT FOR THE LAKERS DURING TRAINING CAMP AND WHEN KOBE WAS A YOUNGER PLAYER LIKE 19-20 HE DUNKED ON YOU MADE YOU FALL AND YOU SAID "PUNK KID" AND NEVER PICKED A BBALL UP AGAIN NIGGA YOU LIKE CRAIG SAGER NOT ATHLETIC BUT ALWAYS GOT A COMMENT SHUT YO BITCH ASS UP YOU AINT NEVER PLAYED SHIT BUT IN THE PARKS HOMIE NIGGA I WAS ALL IVY LEAGUE OUT HERE IN CALI 3 YEARS IN A ROW SOPH TO SENIOR PLAYIN PG AND SG WENT TO A JC(RIVERSIDE COMMUNITY COLLEGE) AND GOT TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME MY FIRST YEAR COMING OFF THE BENCH GETTIN SIGNIFICANT PT AND 2ND YEAR STARTING DONT SO STFU WIT THAT MAN GET A KOBE BLOW UP DOLL AND IMITATE U SUCKIN HIS DICK CUZ YOUR OBSESSION IS SICKENING U FUKKIN WINDOW SHOPPER

 

[cranrab]

I WAS ALL IVY LEAGUE OUT HERE IN CALI 3 YEARS IN A ROW SOPH TO SENIOR PLAYIN PG AND SG WENT TO A JC(RIVERSIDE COMMUNITY COLLEGE) AND GOT TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME MY FIRST YEAR COMING OFF THE BENCH GETTIN SIGNIFICANT PT AND 2ND YEAR STARTING

on here talking about some HIGH SCHOOL and JUCO ball shit in white trash RIVERSIDE??? hey, that's a great accomplishment... more power to you... XF, you seeing what this clown is putting down as his credentials?

BTW, IVY LEAGUE in CA? WTF? sorry, when we played for STATE in CA there wasn't no such thing as IVY league... REAL schools were 4a and 5a... out of curiousity, what great HS program did you come from? DIAMELS, you laughing @ what dude wrote too?

did you ever make it to DIV 1? obviously not, 'cause you would've learned there that cherry picking and run outs don't equal or make a player great...

ORIGINAL MAN, this is a great example of what happens when BGOL cats start posting on the SPORTS board...

MAN GET A KOBE BLOW UP DOLL AND IMITATE U SUCKIN HIS DICK CUZ YOUR OBSESSION IS SICKENING U FUKKIN WINDOW SHOPPER

@ you sensitive tobe fans who "out" yourselves... always writing some HOMO shit... cupcake bitches who get their panties in a twist when i talk TRUTH about their boyfriend... relax, i know you first caught feelings for him when your daddy bought you happy meals and watched games with you...

i don't know why i expect tobe's twinkie FANboys to be a MAN and come with FACTS... funny how when other threads down AI, TD, KG or shaquille o'neal, i don't stalk the poster and write some GAY shit in their thread... but these tobe jock supporters STAY in my threads with their QUEER comments...



i guess that's their way of coping with THE FACTS that dispelled the MYTHS of tobe as:

1) super talented on offense (again, cherry picks and run outs are NOT examples of talent)

2) super talented on defense (again, does NOT always guard the opponent's BEST offensive player)

3) a clutch shooter (if you jacking up 25+ shots per game, you're BOUND to shoot a big 1 sooner or later)... faker fans should refer to robert horry and derek fisher as CLUTCH shooters

 

[Jae-Henchman951]

North High 94-97 and riverside POLY 98 you fuck look it up Ivy league has riverside and moreno valley schools there you didnt even play ball or if you did it was back in the 60's but the ivy league was back then too reggie miller came from there so did baron davis his freshman year as well as some football stars such as chris claiborne starting MLB for the Rams. Since it dont exist I guess this patch from 98 the year I was at poly awarding us for going undefeated in league play that year isnt real either<img src="http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/JaeHenchman/130743.jpg" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com"> so is this an imaginary league I made up? so now you see im not just some unathletic fuck speakin shit unlike you Mark Cuban(just without the money) go on ahead sit all day on that computer look it up you got all the time in the world between jackin off and eating. lol im not even gonna compete wit you man like I said your a couch potatoe its not as if I challenged you to a game of one on one you would actually accept and we would play and if we did most likely ill run you with quite ease. but just be easy lil homie and get off them kobe nuts and kobe is not my fav. player man even though the legend retired I still say hes the best and that nigga is Jordan. and no the Lakers aint my fav team its dont go by favs and all that shit man if you know bball inside and out you know the real not these crazy off the wall facts u make up and jump on just cuz a nigga has one bad game u sure was quiet during the game winners and throwing up 39, 37, 37 and 28 shooting above 50%

 

[cranrab]

man if you know bball inside and out you know the real not these crazy off the wall facts u make up and jump on

i'm happy to hear you characterize them as "crazy off the wall" because they are the TYPICAL bullshit WORD FOR WORD you and others post on BGOL...

for example, does "guards the other teams best player" sound familiar to you?

just cuz a nigga has one bad game u sure was quiet during the game winners and throwing up 39, 37, 37 and 28 shooting above 50%

ho hum... again, you make yourself an OBVIOUS FANboy...

SO WHAT if he dropped those numbers, son? interesting that the fakers LOST 2 of those 4 games... to the SUNS and TWOLVES... but then, all you FANboys care about is AN INDIVIDUAL'S stat column and NOT the game of basketball... if you cared about BASKETBALL, you'd be honest enough to assess tobe's game accurately, instead of with this phony aura of mystique you surround him in...

and as far as 1 bad game goes, you'd know i've broken down MANY games over the YEARS, not just 1...

so, as i told HAVOC, you're a FAN, GOOD for you... keep upping your boy's INDIVIDUAL statistics...

 

[cranrab]

North High 94-97 and riverside POLY 98 you fuck look it up Ivy league has riverside and moreno valley schools there you didnt even play ball or if you did it was back in the 60's but the ivy league was back then too reggie miller came from there so did baron davis his freshman year as well as some football stars such as chris claiborne starting MLB for the Rams. Since it dont exist I guess this patch from 98 the year I was at poly awarding us for going undefeated in league play that year isnt real either so is this an imaginary league I made up?

i was gonna stick to the thread and leave this alone, but it made me crack up laughing so bad i had to say something...

this BGOL "al (i scored 3 touchdowns in a single game) bundy" is actually talking about his HS accomplishments (which i won't even question)... actually posted a picture of a patch... what next, your letterman jacket?

yes, reggie miller is from riverside and still has a home and family there... SO WHAT?

baron davis may have been there (i'll take your word for it), but answer this: "why did he leave?" was it because he knew the comp level was trash and had to search out a conference that would give him better pub?

and, sigh... "undefeated in league play" is only indicative of the comp level in the league you were in... answer me this:

"how many players from the HS squad you "played" on went to a div 1 program?"
"how many players from the IVY league you were in went on to a div 1 program?"
"how many players from the JUCO squad you "played" on went on to a div 1 program?"
"how many players from the JUCO league you were in went ton to a div 1 program?"

for an NCAA example, princeton and penn boast good records every season because the comp level they face in the NCAA ivy league is not substantial... didn't mean to burst your bubble... keep your head up...

 

[xfactor]

Most of these are not true. Devean George is a good player, but Smush Parker is better. You should add:

5) Why isn't Kwame Brown being attacked for his piss-poor performance. His first cop out was that the management at Chicago was bad, and so he was never allowed to blossom as a player. Assuming Scottie Pippen, Phil Jackson, and Kareem Abdul-Jabar are not all incompetent players/coaches, and know a lot about the game of basketball, Kwame should be a much better player under their tutelage. What's the deal with Kwame Brown?

Kobe Bryant was NOT shooting 5-55 (9%) last night. It was actually 7-27 (26%), even though that's still far below his capabilities. Prior to that game, he was averaging 35.3 points a game, with a FG percentage of 51.4. Afterwards, his stats were 31.3 and 46.3, respectively. Last time I checked, that wasn't bad at all.

I think it's best to hold off the comments for all players until further down the road, as it is hard to make accurate judgement calls based on the first five games of the season.

Brown and Chicago? You must mean Washington.

But about Kwame... He does not understand the game. That's his deal. Like most highschool players (including Kobe) they dont understand basic fundamentals of the game and rely on pure athleticism to get by. Kwame is just not an intelligent enough player to be effective (12 and 8) as a Laker.


My 5-55 FG/FGA was an exaggeration of course. But Bryant has been playing for 9 seasons, any assessment of him at this point in time would be accurate. Maybe he can change around his approach to the game, improve his decision making, cut down on TO's, and improve his piss poor defense this season under Jackson's tutiledge, but I doubt it.

 

[Diamels]

North High 94-97 and riverside POLY 98 you fuck look it up Ivy league has riverside and moreno valley schools there you didnt even play ball or if you did it was back in the 60's but the ivy league was back then too reggie miller came from there so did baron davis his freshman year as well as some football stars such as chris claiborne starting MLB for the Rams. Since it dont exist I guess this patch from 98 the year I was at poly awarding us for going undefeated in league play that year isnt real either<img src="http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/JaeHenchman/130743.jpg" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com"> so is this an imaginary league I made up? so now you see im not just some unathletic fuck speakin shit unlike you Mark Cuban(just without the money) go on ahead sit all day on that computer look it up you got all the time in the world between jackin off and eating. lol im not even gonna compete wit you man like I said your a couch potatoe its not as if I challenged you to a game of one on one you would actually accept and we would play and if we did most likely ill run you with quite ease. but just be easy lil homie and get off them kobe nuts and kobe is not my fav. player man even though the legend retired I still say hes the best and that nigga is Jordan. and no the Lakers aint my fav team its dont go by favs and all that shit man if you know bball inside and out you know the real not these crazy off the wall facts u make up and jump on just cuz a nigga has one bad game u sure was quiet during the game winners and throwing up 39, 37, 37 and 28 shooting above 50%

Question: when did Baron live in Riverside? From what I understand he grew up with his grandparents in Los Angeles and ended up going to Crossroads in Santa Monica

 

[xfactor]

HOMIE YOU THE SAME CRABBY PAT(CRANRAB)THAT WAS TALKIN SHIT LIKE 7 MONTHS AGO BOUT D WADE BETTER THAN KOBE

JH :

Sorry to bust your bubble, but Dwyane Wade is a much better player than Kobe Bryant (and its just Wade's 3rd season ). Have you ever watched the positive impact that Wade has on the game as opposed to the detriment Bryant has to the game when he's on the floor for his team?

Like C said, you must be one of those fans that only watches the ball during games, reads the box score, or ESPN highlights and actually think an average to good player (like Kobe) is a budding Hall of Famer

I WAS ALL IVY LEAGUE OUT HERE IN CALI 3 YEARS IN A ROW SOPH TO SENIOR PLAYIN PG AND SG WENT TO A JC(RIVERSIDE COMMUNITY COLLEGE) AND GOT TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME MY FIRST YEAR COMING OFF THE BENCH GETTIN SIGNIFICANT PT AND 2ND YEAR STARTING DONT SO STFU WIT THAT MAN GET A KOBE BLOW UP DOLL AND IMITATE U SUCKIN HIS DICK CUZ YOUR OBSESSION IS SICKENING U FUKKIN WINDOW SHOPPER

I dont know whether to or at this... A JUCO legend trying to talk about how he is so knowledgable about the game. You obvious have a strong passion for the game. Funny you posted your resume on the sports board like this but with these credentials, I'm sure you'd make a fine NBA Head Coach one day or better yet, a lead game analyst for TNT sports.

 

[Diamels]

Read Jae

 

[xfactor]

Read Jae

D,

He must have been talking about Baron Davidson

 

[cranrab]

Question: when did Baron live in Riverside? From what I understand he grew up with his grandparents in Los Angeles and ended up going to Crossroads in Santa Monica

see? if i had asked, i'd have been dubbed a hater... again...

 

[cranrab]

since someone dropped reggie miller's name...

Ivy league has riverside and moreno valley schools there you didnt even play ball or if you did it was back in the 60's but the ivy league was back then too reggie miller came from there

while i was digging up a picture of my 1989 NIT wristwatch to post (true, not as impressive as going undefeated in a cactus league) i coincidentally stumbled across this mention of reggie miller (whose sister was a better player)...

charley rosen provides a good look at how myths are built... could you imagine if reggie miller had played in a major market?

Miller wasn't that good

Everybody seems to be getting all weepy and genuflective because Reggie Miller's number is being hung in the rafters at Conseco Fieldhouse. While the honor is certainly appropriate, and while Miller is just as certainly bound for enshrinement in Springfield, too much of the hoopla surrounding his career is undeserved.

Yes, he was a wonderful shooter — as his lifetime field goal accuracy of 47.1 percent clearly demonstrates. At the same time, his reputation as being one of the all-time deadly clutch shooters is a stretch. The truth is that many (if not most) of Miller's most dramatic win-or-lose shots came against the Knicks, and were justly celebrated by the influential New York media. Yet there are 28 other teams in the league, and in clutch situations against them, Reggie hit some and made some but in no way was he a lock in the end-game. Contrary to what Shakespeare's Marc Antony has to say about the permanently retired Julius Caesar, too many NBA hoop-hounds recall Miller's positives and forget the rest.

And what about Miller's defense? He was a master of the flop, so much so that he made Vlade Divac look like a stand-up kind of guy. Miller's defense was so inadequate that he needed to chump the league's referees to keep him on the floor. With the collusion of the Big Whistles, charges were turned into blocks (and vice versa), swan dives into fouls, while kickings and scratchings were totally ignored.

Some insiders claim that one of the reasons why Larry Bird stepped down as Indiana's coach was because he couldn't abide the dishonest way that Reggie played defense.

Also, Miller is fondly remembered as being a level-headed player who always exerted a calming and savvy influence on his teammates. Balderdash! The young Reggie was wild, selfish, and only partially domesticated. He garnered a rep for being a wise senior citizen only by virtue of having survived for so long.

For sure, give the man his due. But, at the same time, beware of letting painful reality get trumped by myopic sentimentality.

 

[Jae-Henchman951]

Lol At You Niggas Tryin To Jump On Me Yes Baron Lived In La Played At North His Freshman Year Had To Leave Becuz Of Administration Problems He Was Recruited By Our Coach Which Was Illegal He Arranged An Apartment For Him And One Of His Family Members Out Here To Stay At Baron Was Still Coming Out Here During His Ucla Days And Early Nba Years Becuz Of His Girlfriend Who Was A Student At North And Went On To Ucr Dont Question Me And Go By Some Sorry As Bio You Found On The Internet. And Reggie Millers Fam Does Not Stay Here In Riverside No More Been Years Since They Did His Parents Are Friends With My Family His Father And My Mother Were Co-workers At The Hospital Out Here Since You Think You Know Your Facts. 2nd Are You Sitting At The Computer Waiting For My Responses Like A Loser? Cuz You Coming Back So Quickly Couch Potatoe No Letterman Jacket For Me Buddy Becuz I Went To Poly One Year Dont Rep That School. Damn How Many People Went D1 During My Years In Bball Heres A Quick List For You. Dylan Pope Navy, Marvin Lea Pepperdine, Jimmy Miggins Pepperdine, Josh Kipper Sdsu, Mark Visi Ucr, Cant Remember Dudes First Name But Last Is Braxton Played For Asu, Kendall Edwards Fresno State Is That Good Enough For You? And We Went Undefeated With That Competition What Bitch Ass School You Went To? I Showed My Proof But You Cant Say Shit Lil Homie

 

[Jae-Henchman951]

AND AS I SAID YOU GUYS HAVE TO HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST KOBE TO SAY RIDICULOUS SHIT LIKE DWADE IS BETTER IS CRAZY LETS SEE HOW WELL HIS NUMBERS ARE DURING SHAQS DEPARTURE WHENEVER HE FINALLY RETIRES HE BENEFITS FROM PLAYING WITH HIM ANYBODY WOULD DAMON JONES DID SO STFU WIT THAT AT LEAST SAY RAY ALLEN IS BETTER WHO IN MY OPINION IS THE NUMBER 2 SG IN THE LEAGUE CRABBY PAT GOT HIS LITTLE INTERNET SPORT BUDDIES TO PILE UP IN THIS THREAD AND SWEAT AS THEY TYPE IN ANGER NOT ONE OF YOU FUCKS EVER PLAYED REAL COMPETITIVE BBALL OUTSIDE OF NBA LIVE ON PS2 AS I SAID DONT QUESTION MY ATHLETIC ABILITY CUZ OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS DONT HAVE NONE ILL DISCREDIT ANYTHING YOU FUCKS SAY CUZ YOU GO BY INTERNET MYTHS AND HEAR SAY KEEP COMMENTING CUZ IM DONE NO POINT ARGUIN WIT FOOLS AND WITLESS FANATICS LETS SEE HOW BAD KOBE SUCKS AT THE END OF THE YEAR

 

[cranrab]

CRABBY PAT GOT HIS LITTLE INTERNET SPORT BUDDIES TO PILE UP IN THIS THREAD AND SWEAT AS THEY TYPE IN ANGER

note to self: add paranoid to pathetic and moronic to the list of tobe fan attributes...

yeah JH, me, XF and D were all in the same chat room when i asked them if they would attack you with FACTS... happy now?

NOT ONE OF YOU FUCKS EVER PLAYED REAL COMPETITIVE BBALL OUTSIDE OF NBA LIVE ON PS2 AS I SAID DONT QUESTION MY ATHLETIC ABILITY CUZ OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS DONT HAVE NONE

i'll give you that... none of us were ever in mighty leagues from riverside, as you claim you were in... bet it was hard playing with all the dust and tumbleweeds blowing through the gym... and how could we have hoped to compete with a sterling JUCO baller...

LETS SEE HOW BAD KOBE SUCKS AT THE END OF THE YEAR

why wait til the end of the season? he has a 9 season body of work that exposes his sorry scripted habits... but i'm sure you aren't able to fathom that with all the weed you smoke, genius...

now go run along and entertain us some more with the phone cam picks of the local hood rats and chicken heads outside your front door...

 

[Havoc]

Brown and Chicago? You must mean Washington.

But about Kwame... He does not understand the game. That's his deal. Like most highschool players (including Kobe) they dont understand basic fundamentals of the game and rely on pure athleticism to get by. Kwame is just not an intelligent enough player to be effective (12 and 8) as a Laker.


My 5-55 FG/FGA was an exaggeration of course. But Bryant has been playing for 9 seasons, any assessment of him at this point in time would be accurate. Maybe he can change around his approach to the game, improve his decision making, cut down on TO's, and improve his piss poor defense this season under Jackson's tutiledge, but I doubt it.

I did in fact mean Washington, but I was thinking of the rift between Kwame Brown and Michael Jordan (Jordan came to mind when I thought of Chicago).

I agree that most players that make attempt to jump from high school to the NBA are not ready for the transition. I think that I would rather see a Kobe that spent four years in college (under Coach K, of course) than the Kobe we see today. Something tells me that the Lakers would have five rings (the one they gave to the Spurs, plus the one they allowed the Pistons, who were the better team that year, to get), plus an awesome center by the name of Shaquille O'Neal.

 

[Havoc]

see? if i had asked, i'd have been dubbed a hater... again...

YOU ARE A HATER! Anyone else that waited until a player performed badly deserves the same thing.

 

[Havoc]

JH :

Sorry to bust your bubble, but Dwyane Wade is a much better player than Kobe Bryant (and its just Wade's 3rd season ). Have you ever watched the positive impact that Wade has on the game as opposed to the detriment Bryant has to the game when he's on the floor for his team?

Like C said, you must be one of those fans that only watches the ball during games, reads the box score, or ESPN highlights and actually think an average to good player (like Kobe) is a budding Hall of Famer




I dont know whether to or at this... A JUCO legend trying to talk about how he is so knowledgable about the game. You obvious have a strong passion for the game. Funny you posted your resume on the sports board like this but with these credentials, I'm sure you'd make a fine NBA Head Coach one day or better yet, a lead game analyst for TNT sports.

It should be painfully obvious why you shouldn't compare Dwyane Wade with Kobe Bryant; HE HASN'T DONE ENOUGH YET! If he continues the path that he's on now, he'll be a great player, no doubt, quite possibly better than Kobe (assuming he can win three championships; a player "much better" than Kobe and one with Shaq, no less!), Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, Chauncey Billups (he's definintely slept on a lot), and many others.

Also, it's not like Dwyane Wade is surrounded by the same "talent" as Kobe Bryant. I'm afraid I'll have to give D. Wade some more years before I rank him as high as Kobe or AI. It's only his third year, and while everything's looking great so far, it wouldn't be fair to ignore nine years of improvement and hard work just because one's more popular than the other.

I can promise you that the first sight of trouble on the horizon for D. Wade and his name will be shitted on, just like Kobe's.

 

[ebonymanej]

you guys may or may not be hating on kobe.....but I didn't see a thread started when tim duncan went 3 for 18 in the loss against the wizzards or any mention of d. wade missing a shot to tie the game in the loss to the pacers....my point is the no player is without flaws or bad performances ...however kobe is the only player singled out with these threads....but please don't stop this shit is very entertaining

 

[RunawaySlave]

Miller wasn't that good

Everybody seems to be getting all weepy and genuflective because Reggie Miller's number is being hung in the rafters at Conseco Fieldhouse. While the honor is certainly appropriate, and while Miller is just as certainly bound for enshrinement in Springfield, too much of the hoopla surrounding his career is undeserved.

Yes, he was a wonderful shooter — as his lifetime field goal accuracy of 47.1 percent clearly demonstrates. At the same time, his reputation as being one of the all-time deadly clutch shooters is a stretch. The truth is that many (if not most) of Miller's most dramatic win-or-lose shots came against the Knicks, and were justly celebrated by the influential New York media. Yet there are 28 other teams in the league, and in clutch situations against them, Reggie hit some and made some but in no way was he a lock in the end-game. Contrary to what Shakespeare's Marc Antony has to say about the permanently retired Julius Caesar, too many NBA hoop-hounds recall Miller's positives and forget the rest.

And what about Miller's defense? He was a master of the flop, so much so that he made Vlade Divac look like a stand-up kind of guy. Miller's defense was so inadequate that he needed to chump the league's referees to keep him on the floor. With the collusion of the Big Whistles, charges were turned into blocks (and vice versa), swan dives into fouls, while kickings and scratchings were totally ignored.

Some insiders claim that one of the reasons why Larry Bird stepped down as Indiana's coach was because he couldn't abide the dishonest way that Reggie played defense.

Also, Miller is fondly remembered as being a level-headed player who always exerted a calming and savvy influence on his teammates. Balderdash! The young Reggie was wild, selfish, and only partially domesticated. He garnered a rep for being a wise senior citizen only by virtue of having survived for so long.

For sure, give the man his due. But, at the same time, beware of letting painful reality get trumped by myopic

I did not write this article.....
But I sure wish I did. Because
I've been saying this shit since
1990

Cran may or may not hate Kobe, but I
hate Reggie Miller with a passion

He, John Stockton and Karl Malone
were very detrimental to the game
with all the flopping and acting....

Now Miller has a protege....James Jones​

 

[cranrab]

oh well...

YOU ARE A HATER! Anyone else that waited until a player performed badly deserves the same thing.

if i gotta be a hater, at least i'm in GREAT company...

let's see, in RECENT memory alone i can include:

1. chucky atkins
2. caron butler
3. shaquille o'neal (must be jealous of tobe because tobe got to sit home during the playoffs last season)
4. charley rosen
5. coach winter (must be envious of tobe having to wear fewer rings on his hands)
6. coach jackson (must hate tobe for still having empty fingers to put championship rings on)

i'm glad i remembered to include the part about shaquille o'neal, because people with short memories seem to forget that the man has taken his team to the NBA PLAYOFFS EVERY YEAR OF HIS CAREER. no need for whiny excuse makers talking 'bout "but he...

...had new players"
...had new coaches"
...had a new team"

 

[cranrab]

where you been, son?

you guys may or may not be hating on kobe.....my point is the no player is without flaws or bad performances ...but please don't stop this shit is very entertaining

GOOD to hear from you EMEJ... did you know goldie opened up his own club in chino? he told me he's got the ONLY spot in chino as a matter of fact...

I didn't see a thread started when tim duncan went 3 for 18 in the loss against the wizzards or any mention of d. wade missing a shot to tie the game in the loss to the pacers....however kobe is the only player singled out with these threads....

that's because there aren't any MYTHs surrounding the GAME of those players... tobe has glaring flaws and gaping holes in his game that his fans are not capable of (or interested in) acknowledging...

 

[cranrab]

now, back to basketball...

5) Why isn't Kwame Brown being attacked for his piss-poor performance. His first cop out was that the management at Chicago was bad, and so he was never allowed to blossom as a player. Assuming Scottie Pippen, Phil Jackson, and Kareem Abdul-Jabar are not all incompetent players/coaches, and know a lot about the game of basketball, Kwame should be a much better player under their tutelage. What's the deal with Kwame Brown?

by all measure, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with kwame brown... sometimes people don't live up to others' expectations of them...

the wizards saw this HUGE child and expected grown up things from him... too bad kwame brown was never allowed to fulfill HIS OWN potential...

your words seem to suggest that coach jackson and assistants pippen and abdul-jabbar should be able to impart at least some of their knowledge upon kwame brown... unfortunately, basketball doesn't work like that; knowledge of the game is not magically created nor absorbed through osmosis or proximity...

kwame brown never posted tremendous productivity with the wizards, and from the games i've watched, he's in way over his head with the fakers... he's tentative on offense (could be the learning curve due to the triangle), and unsure of himself on defense...

i posted this on OCTOBER 17, before the season opened:

"coach jackson has added plenty of size to the roster to absorb PFs on dribble penetration since tobe has never been able to guard even his own shadow... you know they have chris mihm, corie blount, and kwame brown, right?"

corie blount has been waived due to a persistent injury, so the bad news for kwame brown is that he gets to be the fall guy for tobe's matador D... despite averaging FEWER minutes, kwame brown is averaging almost TWICE the number of PFs since he was last a regular starter...

but this is nothing new... the list of teammates who've grumbled over having to "take 1 for the team" due to tobe's poor defense is long and distinguished:

1. samaki walker
2. horace grant
3. shaquille o'neal
4. brian grant
5. karl malone
6. shaquille o'neal
7. devean george

 

[xfactor]

AT LEAST SAY RAY ALLEN IS BETTER WHO IN MY OPINION IS THE NUMBER 2 SG IN THE LEAGUE CRABBY PAT GOT HIS LITTLE INTERNET SPORT BUDDIES TO PILE UP IN THIS THREAD AND SWEAT AS THEY TYPE IN ANGER :

Atleast you understand that Ray Allen is a better player at the SG position than Kobe. And nobody is piling up against you, we are just trying to give you a better insight on the game you love.

NOT ONE OF YOU FUCKS EVER PLAYED REAL COMPETITIVE BBALL OUTSIDE OF NBA LIVE ON PS2 AS I SAID DONT QUESTION MY ATHLETIC ABILITY CUZ OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS DONT HAVE NONE ILL

JH... so you saying that all those years of dominating with my created player on NBA Live wouldnt give me enough credibility to talk serious basketball with even the greatest NBA legends?

 

[ebonymanej]

Re: where you been, son?

No i didn't know that ...I haven't talked to goldie for a minute i'll email him him and touch bases with him ...that last time I saw him is when he had the launch party for his magazine. that's good to hear he is a good brother thanks for the info

 

[cranrab]

careful now

At least you understand that Ray Allen is a better player at the SG position than Kobe.

don't put words in the JH's mouth, he might hyperventilate and accuse you of assaulting him again... he ISN'T saying ray ray is a better player... JH is saying that kobe is his #1 choice for SG, and that ray allen is his #2 choice for SG....

Originally Posted by Jae-Henchman951
AT LEAST SAY RAY ALLEN IS BETTER WHO IN MY OPINION IS THE NUMBER 2 SG IN THE LEAGUE

i have no problem with his opinion on that... i disagree completely, and feel that would be foolish, but half the fun in being a fan is getting to speculate about things like that...

interesting, however, that coach jackson prefers to use tobe at the SF position (as do i) due to his size and athleticism...

he's still got me wondering how i can trump that damned "undefeated" high school patch of his though... all i could find was my 1988 NCAA tournament medallion gotta keep looking...

 

[Havoc]

Re: oh well...

if i gotta be a hater, at least i'm in GREAT company...

let's see, in RECENT memory alone i can include:

1. chucky atkins
2. caron butler
3. shaquille o'neal (must be jealous of tobe because tobe got to sit home during the playoffs last season)
4. charley rosen
5. coach winter (must be envious of tobe having to wear fewer rings on his hands)
6. coach jackson (must hate tobe for still having empty fingers to put championship rings on)

i'm glad i remembered to include the part about shaquille o'neal, because people with short memories seem to forget that the man has taken his team to the NBA PLAYOFFS EVERY YEAR OF HIS CAREER. no need for whiny excuse makers talking 'bout "but he...

...had new players"
...had new coaches"
...had a new team"

It's great and all to go to the playoffs every year, but unless you're winning, it's kind of like having a thousand solutions that don't work to a single problem. I love Shaquille O'Neal as a player. His impact on the game of basketball is the standard that all the other players should judge their game by.

However, his words off the court are getting annoying. OK, Kobe Bryant decided(erroneously) that it was much safer to snitch on someone else than to get in trouble by yourself. The word "childish" is starting to come to mind when I hear things like "I don't remember his name" or "unlike some players". All right, we get it, you don't like Kobe anymore. Both players are still making millions, still getting endorsements, and still playing basketball (quite well, too). I'm anxious to see the LAKERS/HEAT (or as the media will call it "Shaq vs. Kobe) game on Christmas day.

1. chucky atkins
2. caron butler
3. shaquille o'neal (must be jealous of tobe because tobe got to sit home during the playoffs last season)
4. charley rosen
5. coach winter (must be envious of tobe having to wear fewer rings on his hands)
6. coach jackson (must hate tobe for still having empty fingers to put championship rings on)

For the record: Phil Jackson actually has more than enough rings for all of his fingers. He played basketball too (won two rings), and he coached the Bulls for six (rings) and the Lakers for three (rings).

I would never consider Chucky Atkins and Caron Butler "great" company. Tex Winter's actually sympathizes with Kobe (after all, it was Phil Jackson that chose to feed Shaq's ego instead of Kobe's). He also thinks that while Kobe is one of the best players in the NBA, he's not The One (I reluctantly agree).

I don't know what Shaq's problem is, other than the fact that he probably never liked Kobe from the beginning. I think it's safe to say that when he returns, Antoine Walker will have to step down his role a notch because Jason Williams will be looking to pass the ball to Shaq (who you already know is going to demand it). The impression I've gotten from you is that Dwyane Wade is better than Kobe, if not the same. In that sense, Shaq still has a Kobe on his team in terms of skill. His role players have gotten a little bitter, but he ultimately has the same guard that he had before (the same one he had since he's been in the NBA).

Charly Rosen actually has no problem giving Kobe the ball when the game is on the line, a role that usually goes to players that have proven themselves in such situations:

"1. Kobe Bryant: The league's rarest combination of talent, hoop-time genius, strength, quickness, hops, and inside-outside flexibility. Sure, he remains a post-pubescent egomaniac; but with a game on the line, he's as wise and as inexorable as Father Time. Besides, he's already been there and done that on numerous occasions."
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/rosen/030501.html