Bill Simmons going in on Rasheed Wallace

Peace,

Nah, bruh. Rodman fooled you cats into believing he was the best rebounder of all time because he sacrificed the rest of his game to do it. 'Sheed (again, the major caveat here is "If he wanted to") could score on opponents AT WILL. At his prime, he ran up and down the court like a gazelle, ate up cats in the post, and regularly buried mid-range Js. I'm telling you, 'Sheed could have been GREAT.

With all that being said Rodman >>>>>>>> Sheed and it is not even close... on reality..not on potential...
 
Peace,

Nah, bruh. Rodman fooled you cats into believing he was the best rebounder of all time because he sacrificed the rest of his game to do it. 'Sheed (again, the major caveat here is "If he wanted to") could score on opponents AT WILL. At his prime, he ran up and down the court like a gazelle, ate up cats in the post, and regularly buried mid-range Js. I'm telling you, 'Sheed could have been GREAT.

yea he robbed us but more importantly he robbed himself of that. hope he is ok with that and i hope that in the future he doesnt look back and wish he would have done it differently.

he's probably the 1st player i can say for his position had absolutely no flaw in his game.
you can't name a thing that rasheed wallace cant do offensively and defensively skill wise.
you can say all day and night that he cant play hard consistently and you'll be absolutely right about that too
 
With all that being said Rodman >>>>>>>> Sheed and it is not even close... on reality..not on potential...

career wise yup
if it was a big game and both of them were going to play as hard and be as driven to win as they both could possibly be.
i would take sheed and call rodman a cab to wherever he wanted to go

edit: with sheed its not about potential as far as his skills not being honed enough to do it. the only reason i say the stuff i say with certainty is because ive seen sheed do these things. he has the skillset, he doesnt have to work to achieve the level. he is on the level. his mind just never was. his basketball skills were mature but his mind never did
 
With all that being said Rodman >>>>>>>> Sheed and it is not even close... on reality..not on potential...

yep

I mean what the fuck are you sacrificing if you crash the boards and D up all game and you are on winning teams?? :confused::lol:
 
You know what else kills me about Sheed. He has all the talent in the world but isn't motivated! Now a player like Antonio McDyess who had two critical knee injuries played with major heart every game, and his injury hindered his greatness!!! Sheed just didn't want it! How fair is that!?
 
yep

I mean what the fuck are you sacrificing if you crash the boards and D up all game and you are on winning teams?? :confused::lol:

Peace,

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Peace,

Nah, bruh. Rodman fooled you cats into believing he was the best rebounder of all time because he sacrificed the rest of his game to do it. 'Sheed (again, the major caveat here is "If he wanted to") could score on opponents AT WILL. At his prime, he ran up and down the court like a gazelle, ate up cats in the post, and regularly buried mid-range Js. I'm telling you, 'Sheed could have been GREAT.

How do you fool someone into being a great rebounder lol? He knew where the ball was going to be before the ball even released a niggas hands. :lol: That dude had a talent for rebounds. And I agree Rasheed would've been great. No he COULD'VE been great. But you said the greatest of all time and that I disagree with. He wouldn't have even been the greatest pf in the 1995 draft. That would go to his Celtic teammate.

Sheed actually does have a high basketball IQ, that nigga is just lazy

Bottom line is he could have been a career 20 and 10 guy instead of a 14.6 and 6.7 guy and you combine 20 and 10 with the ring and thats hall of fame

He leads the league in tech's every year. That's a dumb ass basketball player right there. Constantly giving up points on some bullshit temper tantrum?
 
:lol: exactly

challenge them to find a weakness in his game not his mindset and i BET they cant. there's none to be found

Oh please. :lol: You dudes talking about a motivated Sheed like he was a Create a Player in NBA Live or some shit. :lol: A motivated Sheed would be Dirk Nowitzki. Which is great don't get me wrong but the greatest power foward of all time? What's the difference between this fake dream sequence of Rasheed Wallace ya'll bringing up and Dirk Nowitzki now? Aside from probably interior defense?
 
How do you fool someone into being a great rebounder lol? He knew where the ball was going to be before the ball even released a niggas hands. :lol: That dude had a talent for rebounds.

No, I mean that I hear cats saying "Rodman was the greatest rebounder of all time.." and they completely forget about Wilt, Russ, Moses, etc. Imagine if one of those cats has just focused exclusively on defense and rebounding and not put any energy into scoring the ball.

And I agree Rasheed would've been great. No he COULD'VE been great. But you said the greatest of all time and that I disagree with. He wouldn't have even been the greatest pf in the 1995 draft. That would go to his Celtic teammate.

We might just have to disagree on this one. Sheed has more offensive ability than KG.

He leads the league in tech's every year. That's a dumb ass basketball player right there. Constantly giving up points on some bullshit temper tantrum?

That comes more from his apathy than from a legitimate lack of basketball IQ. That cat just doesn't give a fuck.
 
Oh please. :lol: You dudes talking about a motivated Sheed like he was a Create a Player in NBA Live or some shit. :lol: A motivated Sheed would be Dirk Nowitzki. Which is great don't get me wrong but the greatest power foward of all time? What's the difference between this fake dream sequence of Rasheed Wallace ya'll bringing up and Dirk Nowitzki now? Aside from probably interior defense?

Man Sheed is a better defender now than Dirk :hmm::lol:
 
and that hurt his career how??

he may have only had 6 points but he would finish the night with 17 rebounds so everything was ok :lol:

Exactly. And some of these niggas put up 20 points a game and give up 25 on the other end of the court. Rodman may score about 6 points a night but he was giving up about 6 on the other end of the court unless you were a superstar and he'd still hold your ass in check to your average and snag down 17 boards and some blocks and a occasional steal. Niggas must've forgot how bad Rodman use to be. I remember that shit just like it was yesterday even though I was just a young N.
 
Man Sheed is a better defender now than Dirk :hmm::lol:

I disagree with that. They're about on the same level now. Dirk is only a liability when he's out there at the 5. He doesn't embarass himself against the opposing teams power foward. And he's out there for 40 minutes. Sheed is only out there for 20.
 
career wise yup
if it was a big game and both of them were going to play as hard and be as d

The problem is that you have to go on his potential all the time. You knew every game Rodman was going to D his man up and grab 20 rebounds... yeah..Sheed could every so often get off... but dude takes not just quarters off...dude takes games..weeks off... you could watch a game and forget that he was out on the floor...and not because he had a quiet 20 like Joe Dumars used to do... but because the ninja just decided to take it easy for that game..he did that shit on my pistons all the time... I think you lose respect for Sheed when he actually plays for your own team....ol half ass playing muthafucka :angry:
 
No, I mean that I hear cats saying "Rodman was the greatest rebounder of all time.." and they completely forget about Wilt, Russ, Moses, etc. Imagine if one of those cats has just focused exclusively on defense and rebounding and not put any energy into scoring the ball.



We might just have to disagree on this one. Sheed has more offensive ability than KG.



That comes more from his apathy than from a legitimate lack of basketball IQ. That cat just doesn't give a fuck.

But Rodman put effort into defense too. He wasn't just grabbing boards. He put 110% on defense and rebounding. And he was 6'8. Wilt? Russ? Moses? Them cats are all 7 footers.

And you're right. Sheed has more ability but what is he great at that would lead you guys to believe he'd be even better if he was "motivated"? KG had a great mid range jumpshot. Sheed has a inconsitent streaky jumpshot. KG was a great passer. Sheed is a good passer. Sheed has a lot of weapons in his arsenal but is he great at any one of them? He has a post game.


And your point about his tech's coming from apathy may be correct. But I can't sit here and say he has a great basketball IQ or one better than Duncan or KG when he consistently does dumbshit to put his team in a hole.
 
The problem is that you have to go on his potential all the time. You knew every game Rodman was going to D his man up and grab 20 rebounds... yeah..Sheed could every so often get off... but dude takes not just quarters off...dude takes games..weeks off... you could watch a game and forget that he was out on the floor...and not because he had a quiet 20 like Joe Dumars used to do... but because the ninja just decided to take it easy for that game..he did that shit on my pistons all the time... I think you lose respect for Sheed when he actually plays for your own team....ol half ass playing muthafucka :angry:

:lol:

And then you have to see him nonchalantly not giving a fuck during the post game interview. I used to think, "Muhfucka care about the fucking game like you care about arguing with the ref!"
 
The problem is that you have to go on his potential all the time. You knew every game Rodman was going to D his man up and grab 20 rebounds... yeah..Sheed could every so often get off... but dude takes not just quarters off...dude takes games..weeks off... you could watch a game and forget that he was out on the floor...and not because he had a quiet 20 like Joe Dumars used to do... but because the ninja just decided to take it easy for that game..he did that shit on my pistons all the time... I think you lose respect for Sheed when he actually plays for your own team....ol half ass playing muthafucka :angry:

:lol: Said weeks off. Its true though. :lol: I just think that's his nature though. I don't think he's this lazy muthafucka who's unmotivated. I think he wants to win a ring. I think he wants to do well. He's just not capable of doing much more. That's just my opinion though.
 
:lol: Said weeks off. Its true though. :lol: I just think that's his nature though. I don't think he's this lazy muthafucka who's unmotivated. I think he wants to win a ring. I think he wants to do well. He's just not capable of doing much more. That's just my opinion though.

He's like that big, naturally strong kid that you grew up with who could beat everybody's ass if he really wanted to but it's just not in him.
 
Exactly. And some of these niggas put up 20 points a game and give up 25 on the other end of the court. Rodman may score about 6 points a night but he was giving up about 6 on the other end of the court unless you were a superstar and he'd still hold your ass in check to your average and snag down 17 boards and some blocks and a occasional steal. Niggas must've forgot how bad Rodman use to be. I remember that shit just like it was yesterday even though I was just a young N.

Rodman gets shittin on so much, like playing D and rebounding is a bad thing :lol:

Him, Kemp, and Iverson were my favorite players coming up

Peace,

You do realize that you shit on the Mavs more than anyone on this board, right? :lol:

thats cuz I have seen it all the good the bad and the ugly :lol:
 
I disagree with that. They're about on the same level now. Dirk is only a liability when he's out there at the 5. He doesn't embarass himself against the opposing teams power foward. And he's out there for 40 minutes. Sheed is only out there for 20.

Yeah Dirk is decent out there on D now, you just cant abuse him
 
But Rodman put effort into defense too. He wasn't just grabbing boards. He put 110% on defense and rebounding. And he was 6'8. Wilt? Russ? Moses? Them cats are all 7 footers.

But that's what I'm saying, though. ALL he cared about was defense and rebounding. Now take a cat like Barkley who had a nose for rebounding but also put his heart out on the deck offensively. Imagine if Bark only cared about rebounding. Better yet, imagine if Dwight Howard only cared about rebounding and blocks, and never focused on shit else.
 
But that's what I'm saying, though. ALL he cared about was defense and rebounding. Now take a cat like Barkley who had a nose for rebounding but also put his heart out on the deck offensively. Imagine if Bark only cared about rebounding. Better yet, imagine if Dwight Howard only cared about rebounding and blocks, and never focused on shit else.

You talk about a player in Barkley who is just a more talented guy in addition to being a beast on the boards

Then Howard is stronger and more athletic than everyone at his position

Rodman found his purpose and niche and stuck to the script he got several rings and awards for it
 
Oh please. :lol: You dudes talking about a motivated Sheed like he was a Create a Player in NBA Live or some shit. :lol: A motivated Sheed would be Dirk Nowitzki. Which is great don't get me wrong but the greatest power foward of all time? What's the difference between this fake dream sequence of Rasheed Wallace ya'll bringing up and Dirk Nowitzki now? Aside from probably interior defense?

:lol: you sound stupid

aside from interior defense, which is a small thing right? which is a weakness in dirks game right? the same weakness that sheed does not have right? so if sheed has same skills as dirk plus more how could he just be a dirk?
sheed has more post game than dirk could ever wish to.
sheed can pass better
dirk can shoot better
defensive side of the ball is no contest at ll
dirk is not even in the same category as sheed is in that regard its not even close if you look at ot objectionally

for the record im not even a sheed fan but damn im not gonna front on his skills
 
The problem is that you have to go on his potential all the time. You knew every game Rodman was going to D his man up and grab 20 rebounds... yeah..Sheed could every so often get off... but dude takes not just quarters off...dude takes games..weeks off... you could watch a game and forget that he was out on the floor...and not because he had a quiet 20 like Joe Dumars used to do... but because the ninja just decided to take it easy for that game..he did that shit on my pistons all the time... I think you lose respect for Sheed when he actually plays for your own team....ol half ass playing muthafucka :angry:

thats because you know how truly good rasheed wallace is and you want to reap the benefits of his talent:lol: am i right?

theres no problem with what i said, if both were giving maximum effort (sheed has done it so we can say it can be done not a hope or a wish he has done it at times) who would you take.
and my answer using common sense is sheed.
given the same exact effort sheed could d his man and grab 20 boards too
but he could also dish out 7 assists block 4 shots and score 35 points
rodman cant
 
You talk about a player in Barkley who is just a more talented guy in addition to being a beast on the boards

Then Howard is stronger and more athletic than everyone at his position

Rodman found his purpose and niche and stuck to the script he got several rings and awards for it

Peace,

Believe me, I'm in no way shitting on Rodman. I have the same amount of respect for that cat as most of you do. I'm just saying: most good rebounders aren't as pathologically focused on rebounding as he was. My point about Bark was that he likely could have had Rodman's rebounding numbers if he sacrificed other aspects of his game.
 
Chris Webber >>>>>>> Rasheed Wallace
CWebb = another colossal waste of talent joining Sheed.

i lived in Portland for a minute and i remember Rashweed and his boys ran that town. The JailBlazers were the only game in town and the city loved those ninjas despite it being a team of knuckleheads and Rashweed was the biggest one.

Paul Allen bought a radio station and converted it into a hip hop station for Sheed and the Blazers just to keep them happy. Sheed was more concerned about spinning records and DJing on the weekends, having fun with his boys than playing ball.

Top 5 Talent
Top 5 Basketball IQ
Bottom 5 Will
Bottom 5 Work Ethic

the game came to easy for him. he never had to put in work. dame shame. coulda been one of the best.
 
The problem is that you have to go on his potential all the time. You knew every game Rodman was going to D his man up and grab 20 rebounds... yeah..Sheed could every so often get off... but dude takes not just quarters off...dude takes games..weeks off... you could watch a game and forget that he was out on the floor...and not because he had a quiet 20 like Joe Dumars used to do... but because the ninja just decided to take it easy for that game..he did that shit on my pistons all the time... I think you lose respect for Sheed when he actually plays for your own team....ol half ass playing muthafucka :angry:

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Eewwll you summed it up right here man! If he could have played with the intesity that he had from the trade deadline in 04' to the end of the finals that year we coulda had a 3 peat!
 
thats because you know how truly good rasheed wallace is and you want to reap the benefits of his talent:lol: am i right?

Naw homie..it is bigger than that. There is a difference between wanting to see someone play up to their potential and then seeing a mofo just completely shut it down. Dude sleep walks through too many games... this mofo will give you 4 points and 3 rebounds too many games man.... do just doesnt underachieve slightly... he will completely shut it down and produce little to nothing..
 
CWebb = another colossal waste of talent joining Sheed.

i lived in Portland for a minute and i remember Rashweed and his boys ran that town. The JailBlazers were the only game in town and the city loved those ninjas despite it being a team of knuckleheads and Rashweed was the biggest one.

Paul Allen bought a radio station and converted it into a hip hop station for Sheed and the Blazers just to keep them happy. Sheed was more concerned about spinning records and DJing on the weekends, having fun with his boys than playing ball.

Top 5 Talent
Top 5 Basketball IQ
Bottom 5 Will
Bottom 5 Work Ethic

the game came to easy for him. he never had to put in work. dame shame. coulda been one of the best.

C-Webb played to his potential more than Sheed did and put up better numbers
 
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