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. I would trade Deng though.
it was confirm deng will miss the first month of next season
The Bulls won't win a chip unless GarPaxDorf are willing to pay the tax for it.
Of course. He's not getting surgery on his wrist until after the Olympics.
Its been said they would pay the luxury tax for a champion squad but we still lack in the scoring department with the squad we got and can only upgrade through vet exceptions.
I expect them to trade for picks and re-build through the draft so they can get both youth and rookie contracts.
I hope that they employ that strategy this year because I feel like they could get a couple of players who would be solid rotation guys(Barton,Lamb,Jenkins,Miller,etc.)
With this new CBA, it's all about the money.
I don't think we can get that guy with the Mid-level exception (5 million). I thought it could be Ray Allen, but he's gettin' old. Maybe if Rose was good to play next season, he'd be a good quick fix. But next season will most likely be a wash, and I don't think we should sign an old guy for 2-3 years and let him waste his health the first year, then when Rose comes back the 2nd year, the guy's a year older and more beat down and we're still stuck in the same situation.
Any other name that's worth getting (Harden, Gordon, etc.) will be given better offers than we can give.
We can't even afford to bring everybody back as far as the benchmob. We might lose Asik (we can match any offer given to him because of his Bird rights, but if its too much money, we might have to trade him), Brewer's gone, Kyle might be gone and CJ will probably be back. JL3 is a toss-up. And then they gotta give Taj his extension before July. So all we got guaranteed are our starters, Taj and Jimmy. Scal will probably take a coaching role.
We got two exceptions, we can give someone 2 million, and someone 5 million. And they're probably going to use those to get a back-up for Rose and a replacement for Asik. (I'm thinking Mayo and KG). Then we got our own draft pick, which will be most likely for a 2 guard.
That's why I'm saying we gotta build through the draft so we can get the guys we need for cheap, and this year, they'll be some nice guys to go get. Thibbs might not play rookies enough, but he gone learn today.
Besides, we don't need to be putting pressure on Rose, especially on his comeback season. Because if Rose gets hurt or has a bad night, then we're fucked. We don't need that. We need a gang of cats who can score because that's what it takes to beat the Heat, like OKC Game 1.
Miami's biggest strength is scoring easy baskets, and sometimes we don't score our easy baskets. Our defenses are neck-and-neck, but that late game offense is what wins games. Games we lost were because we couldn't score or got outscored.
If we assembled a gang of good scorers, anybody could heat up on any given night. We don't need to depend on 2-3 guys and then hope our bench can help. We need a team of different weapons, a team of specialists. Attackers, mid-range, 3pt guys, post, creators - and all willing to play Thibbs defense. Then we'd be good.
So I could see us trading Asik for a draft pick or 2 (maybe to the Cavs). Kyle for a draft pick. Or Deng for a decent guy and a good draft pick.
i would do this move in a heartbeat if andre drummond will be available.
im tired of that faggit always getting hurt in the playoffs.
do everything in their power to trade for shumpert when his rookie contract expires, because he would be the 5th highest paid player but hes the BEST player on the knicks and best SG in the east besides wade.
picture this line up lbop in 2014-2015 season.
Rose/reke
Shumpert / kobe
butler/harrison barnes
gibson/asik/drummond
that white nigga from overseas
coach sloan.
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Get that inconsistent nigga outta here please!!
Get that inconsistent nigga outta here please!!
Deng about to get shopped 
Hate to see it go down, but it makes sense. We gotta get rid of somebody - costs too much to amnesty Boozer, we ain't getting a better center than Noah, and Gibson has too much potential for us to just give him away. Deng also has a big contract. He has trade value for making the all-star reserves last year, plays good D. I think his injury limited his scoring ability. Even though I fear that after his surgery, he might come back a beast, but it's the only way.
They're saying Sacramento, Toronto and Golden State are potential takers but I only see the Sacarmento deal working with Tyreke, #5, and Salmons for Deng and #29.
Portland may also be interested.
In other news, I read the Thunder might sell their pick (#28) since they're satisfied with their young core, I hope we get that too. Can't wait for next Thursday.
Hate to see it go down, but it makes sense. We gotta get rid of somebody - costs too much to amnesty Boozer, we ain't getting a better center than Noah, and Gibson has too much potential for us to just give him away. Deng also has a big contract. He has trade value for making the all-star reserves last year, plays good D. I think his injury limited his scoring ability. Even though I fear that after his surgery, he might come back a beast, but it's the only way.
They're saying Sacramento, Toronto and Golden State are potential takers but I only see the Sacarmento deal working with Tyreke, #5, and Salmons for Deng and #29.
Portland may also be interested.
In other news, I read the Thunder might sell their pick (#28) since they're satisfied with their young core, I hope we get that too. Can't wait for next Thursday.
Deng about to get shopped
Hate to see it go down, but it makes sense. We gotta get rid of somebody - costs too much to amnesty Boozer, we ain't getting a better center than Noah, and Gibson has too much potential for us to just give him away. Deng also has a big contract. He has trade value for making the all-star reserves last year, plays good D. I think his injury limited his scoring ability. Even though I fear that after his surgery, he might come back a beast, but it's the only way.
They're saying Sacramento, Toronto and Golden State are potential takers but I only see the Sacarmento deal working with Tyreke, #5, and Salmons for Deng and #29.
Portland may also be interested.
In other news, I read the Thunder might sell their pick (#28) since they're satisfied with their young core, I hope we get that too. Can't wait for next Thursday.
Toronto has the best to offer. They have good young players and cap space. Better picks too. Maybe we could get derozan??? Lol doubt it.
deng for harden straight up
Deng about to get shopped
Hate to see it go down, but it makes sense. We gotta get rid of somebody - costs too much to amnesty Boozer, we ain't getting a better center than Noah, and Gibson has too much potential for us to just give him away. Deng also has a big contract. He has trade value for making the all-star reserves last year, plays good D. I think his injury limited his scoring ability. Even though I fear that after his surgery, he might come back a beast, but it's the only way.
They're saying Sacramento, Toronto and Golden State are potential takers but I only see the Sacarmento deal working with Tyreke, #5, and Salmons for Deng and #29.
Portland may also be interested.
In other news, I read the Thunder might sell their pick (#28) since they're satisfied with their young core, I hope we get that too. Can't wait for next Thursday.
All b/c Paxson signed another overpriced post-player
Evans is better than Derozan. Derozan is just a cheaper option.
OKC wouldn't do that. For one Deng plays the same position as Durant. Harden is younger and he gives them a ballhandler to run the offense when they want to take Westbrook out or play him off the ball.
harden playing ass right now in the finals.
they get deng so durant won't have to stick the other teams star.
lu will do that.
that way we can finally have a SG we been needing. also one that is ROSE AGE
fair trade IMO
rose/cj
uncle rip / haden
jimmy/harden
booz/gibson
noah/asik
smooth.
This ain't 2k nigga okc would spit in our face with that bullshit. If we can deal with the kings then fine. Ill take Evans and salmons.
This Rose injury got niggas real delusional. The Bulls are not making any major moves this off-season whether it be via trade or FA.
The Bulls are built around the ability of Rose. You can't reconstruct a team in one year. This would be silly to blow the team up because Rose is out for next season. The Bulls know that FA doesnt win championships. The only FA to lead a team to a championship is Shaq and there aint any Shaq's out there.
The Bulls are not going to amnesty Boozer. It is highly unlikely that anyone would trade for him. The only teams desperate enough are Brooklyn and CHarlotte but they both have young PF that they are developing in Humphries and Biyombo so they wont trade for him.
In reality we need Boozer more this year then ever. Rose at best will be out until late March and Deng will be out until Christmas so Boozer will get as many shots as he wants. And we'll need the scoring.
The Bulls have a great player and will stack as many good pieces to put around him for the long term. Paxson and Foreman are playing Chess. This is why we have shelved away that Charlotte pick until and we'll have Mirotic available in 2014. This will allow us to rebuild w/o rebuilding.
The Bulls be looking to draft a combo guard or a scoring two (i.e. Tu Holloway or Doron Lamb). Neither is a quick fix and Foreman and Paxson knows this. The Bulls will take the best player available as they should.
They will try to add a player that resembles Derrick's skills set just to keep continuity until he returns. This will likely mean Will Bynum for two years with the 2 mil exception and Beasley for two years with the 5 mil exception.
People need to realize that this is a two-year injury for Derrick and the Bulls will not over reacted as we are not contending next year. We will see some players cycled out of the organization with Korver, CJ and Brewer likely gone.
We will see a lot more of Butler and this years 1st (likely Doron Lamb). Also remember that Asik regressed last year because he couldnt work on his game last summer as he was rehabbing a broken leg. Asik will take another step scoring and will likely get 8-10 points next year. Butler, Asik and Taj will be better players due to the further development by the time Derrick is for real back in October of 2013.
Paxson and Foreman knows that it does not make sense to sacrifice talent like Taj and Asik is an overreaction to Rose's injury. We have to face the fact that we will be a borderline 8th seed next year.
It may be best for us to blow next year, develop young players and get a high draft pick in 2013 (Shabazz Muhammad). Derrick will be at full strength for 2013-14. We would have developed the young guys (Butler, Asik and the 2012 pick), Taj would have supplanted Boozer at the 4 and then we will add Charlotte's lottery pick in 2014 and have Mirotic coming over.
We are set for the future and will be a contender for years to come but we have to be realistic and recognize that we're going to suck next year. This is what happens when youre franchise player suffers a major injury.
The Bulls are built around the ability of Rose. You can't reconstruct a team in one year. This would be silly to blow the team up because Rose is out for next season. The Bulls know that FA doesnt win championships. The only FA to lead a team to a championship is Shaq and there aint any Shaq's out there.
The Bulls are not going to amnesty Boozer. It is highly unlikely that anyone would trade for him. The only teams desperate enough are Brooklyn and CHarlotte but they both have young PF that they are developing in Humphries and Biyombo so they wont trade for him.
In reality we need Boozer more this year then ever. Rose at best will be out until late March and Deng will be out until Christmas so Boozer will get as many shots as he wants. And we'll need the scoring.
The Bulls have a great player and will stack as many good pieces to put around him for the long term. Paxson and Foreman are playing Chess. This is why we have shelved away that Charlotte pick until and we'll have Mirotic available in 2014. This will allow us to rebuild w/o rebuilding.
The Bulls be looking to draft a combo guard or a scoring two (i.e. Tu Holloway or Doron Lamb). Neither is a quick fix and Foreman and Paxson knows this. The Bulls will take the best player available as they should.
They will try to add a player that resembles Derrick's skills set just to keep continuity until he returns. This will likely mean Will Bynum for two years with the 2 mil exception and Beasley for two years with the 5 mil exception.
People need to realize that this is a two-year injury for Derrick and the Bulls will not over reacted as we are not contending next year. We will see some players cycled out of the organization with Korver, CJ and Brewer likely gone.
We will see a lot more of Butler and this years 1st (likely Doron Lamb). Also remember that Asik regressed last year because he couldnt work on his game last summer as he was rehabbing a broken leg. Asik will take another step scoring and will likely get 8-10 points next year. Butler, Asik and Taj will be better players due to the further development by the time Derrick is for real back in October of 2013.
Paxson and Foreman knows that it does not make sense to sacrifice talent like Taj and Asik is an overreaction to Rose's injury. We have to face the fact that we will be a borderline 8th seed next year.
It may be best for us to blow next year, develop young players and get a high draft pick in 2013 (Shabazz Muhammad). Derrick will be at full strength for 2013-14. We would have developed the young guys (Butler, Asik and the 2012 pick), Taj would have supplanted Boozer at the 4 and then we will add Charlotte's lottery pick in 2014 and have Mirotic coming over.
We are set for the future and will be a contender for years to come but we have to be realistic and recognize that we're going to suck next year. This is what happens when youre franchise player suffers a major injury.
Yes. Harden's value is much higher than Deng's value. Luol was an All Star. Harden isn't far off himself, is more versatile and much younger and less injury prone. And makes less money.
I don't think that we'll see that pick til 2015 or 16 barring a miracle for the Bobcats. Here are the conditions attached to it:top-12 protected in 2013, top-10 in 2014, top-8 in 2015, unprotected in 2016.
Mirotic isn't likely to come until 2014. As for Boozer if Reinsdorf wants to save money now would be the time to amnesty him since more teams have cap room. And I think that the possibility of moves is about not paying the luxury tax and most importantly not being a team that pays it regularly since there is a huge penalty for doing so.
It would be unprotected in the 2016 draft. That'll be about the time that Jabari Parker is back from his religious thing.
I don't think Parker is going to go on a mission. I could easily be wrong. I think the bigger question is what does the NBA do with the age limit. If they make it 3 years between now and next year's draft then yes he'll be in the draft. If they make it 2 years maybe we luck up and Andrew Wiggins is in the draft or Okafor provided that Wiggins doesn't decide to graduate a year early.
Chicago wolverines
Rose
Reke
Parker
Gibson
White boi
Rose
Reke
Parker
Gibson
White boi
It ain't even about next year, it's about the year after that we gotta build for. I don't think anybody will argue that.
Deng is as good as gone though.
Deng, Rose, Noah and Boozer contracts put us in the luxury and the FO don't want to pay the luxury unless its for a champion.
Even if our current squad was Finals bound, we can't afford to keep everybody. So we gotta re-tool.
Off-loading Deng gives us the most options. More options than just trying to add guys with exceptions.
Me personally, I'm thinkin' we should buy the Thunder pick and then holla at NO about getting Gordon, maybe Ariza, draft Barton, use our exception on a big man. Keep CJ and Asik.
True but lets be real Lu ain't no real allstar. He's decent but its because of our record. Its no different than when ak47 went over melo. The east really has a big dropoff after melo and LBJ that's the only reason he made it. You tell me Deng is better than harden we straight pulling our suits off and fighting in the thunder front office. Harden starting iis easily 20+ ppg. Deng at his ceiling is 17 and some defense. Lu is a rich mans iggy.
Harden can't stick nobody like deng can
But I rather have harden and I know for a fact they would take Lu over thabo in terms of defense
But I rather have harden and I know for a fact they would take Lu over thabo in terms of defense
So I hope the Thunder shares the same sudden opinion on Harden like many people in these forums. Thibs will make him into a monster.
Speaking of Thibs I ran into this:
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aw its a wrap
anytime u see Dr Andrews.
its over with.
focus on jabari parker.
anytime u see Dr Andrews.
its over with.
focus on jabari parker.
These cats are going all out to make sure he gets back right.
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