Brooklyn Queens Interborough Express Rail Project

[Gemini]

Governor Kathy Hochul and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority released a first analysis of the recently-revived project to run mass transit along freight rail lines in Brooklyn and Queens known as the Interborough Express.

The governor promoted her signature infrastructure initiative during a Thursday, Jan. 20, press conference at the Brooklyn Army Terminal near the southern end of the underused infrastructure she hopes to upcycle to passenger transport.

“Now we have an opportunity — a once-in-a-generation opportunity — to make the investments that should have been made all alone,” Hochul said. “But also to just reimagine some of the infrastructure that has been lying fallow for so many years that no one saw the possibilities of.”


The 2020-commissioned feasibility study for the MTA by consultancy firm AECOM offered an early look on how the new line — dubbed the IBX — could shape out over the coming years.

The IBX will run from the Bay Ridge-Sunset Park waterfront through central and eastern Brooklyn, and up to Jackson Heights, Queens, along 14 miles of freight rail right of way.

The scheme would connect 17 subway lines on its route and serve between 74,000-88,000 riders every weekday for a roughly 40 minute journey end-to-end, according to the report.

Passenger rail first rolled out on these tracks in 1876 as part of the New York and Manhattan Beach Railway, but the line was converted to freight operations in 1924 and currently carries no more than three freight trips per day.

The MTA’s Long Island Rail Road owns 11 miles of track operated by the New York and Atlantic Railway, while three miles at the northern end in Queens are owned by Florida-based freight company CSX.

AECOM looked at three modes of transport for the new route and how they would fit in with the current industrial trains: A regular rail line, light rail, and bus rapid transit.

A trolley or a bus would need to be physically separated from the existing trail lines, according to Federal Railroad Administration regulations, while a heavy passenger rail would not have to do that.

That takes up more space so those two modes would have to run above the freight track or on existing streets for some tighter portions of the line.

A passenger train would largely run along the western side of the tracks, but make a quick switch over to the east around East New York, before going back.



Any project would also have to account for the Buckeye Pipeline, which carries jet fuel to LaGuardia and JFK airports and runs along the line, and occupies one of four tubes of the route’s East New York Tunnel.


Hochul first announced the project in her State of the State address on Jan. 5, but her scheme chopped off a section extending further to the Bronx that was part of the so-called Triboro originally proposed by the non-profit Regional Plan Association in the 1990s.


The new report claims that there would not be enough space on the Hell Gate Line to carry the new service every 5-15 minutes in addition to Amtrak, freight, and the planned Metro-North service there.

To accommodate more trains, the MTA would have to build costly new tracks and bridges.

The study’s findings will feed into the MTA’s upcoming environmental review of the project, which could unlock federal funding, the agency’s chairperson and chief executive officer Janno Lieber told reporters.

The transit guru was hesitant to give a specific cost for the IBX, but said it would be in the “single-digit billions,” or below $10 billion.

Lieber said the environmental review could put the IBX on pace to become part of the MTA’s next five-year capital plan starting in 2025, and construction would take three to five years.

A separate study by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is looking at building a freight tunnel across the harbor to New Jersey, which would increase the daily freight traffic to up to 21 trains by 2035.

The AECOM study has accounted for the IBX to run alongside such increased freight traffic, Lieber said.

Hochul unveils more details about Interborough Express in new study | amNewYork

Governor Kathy Hochul and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority released their first analysis of the Interborough Express project.

www.amny.com

 

[Gemini]

 

[HeavyArmz]

Governor Kathy Hochul and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority released a first analysis of the recently-revived project to run mass transit along freight rail lines in Brooklyn and Queens known as the Interborough Express.

The governor promoted her signature infrastructure initiative during a Thursday, Jan. 20, press conference at the Brooklyn Army Terminal near the southern end of the underused infrastructure she hopes to upcycle to passenger transport.

“Now we have an opportunity — a once-in-a-generation opportunity — to make the investments that should have been made all alone,” Hochul said. “But also to just reimagine some of the infrastructure that has been lying fallow for so many years that no one saw the possibilities of.”


The 2020-commissioned feasibility study for the MTA by consultancy firm AECOM offered an early look on how the new line — dubbed the IBX — could shape out over the coming years.

The IBX will run from the Bay Ridge-Sunset Park waterfront through central and eastern Brooklyn, and up to Jackson Heights, Queens, along 14 miles of freight rail right of way.

The scheme would connect 17 subway lines on its route and serve between 74,000-88,000 riders every weekday for a roughly 40 minute journey end-to-end, according to the report.

Passenger rail first rolled out on these tracks in 1876 as part of the New York and Manhattan Beach Railway, but the line was converted to freight operations in 1924 and currently carries no more than three freight trips per day.

The MTA’s Long Island Rail Road owns 11 miles of track operated by the New York and Atlantic Railway, while three miles at the northern end in Queens are owned by Florida-based freight company CSX.

AECOM looked at three modes of transport for the new route and how they would fit in with the current industrial trains: A regular rail line, light rail, and bus rapid transit.

A trolley or a bus would need to be physically separated from the existing trail lines, according to Federal Railroad Administration regulations, while a heavy passenger rail would not have to do that.

That takes up more space so those two modes would have to run above the freight track or on existing streets for some tighter portions of the line.

A passenger train would largely run along the western side of the tracks, but make a quick switch over to the east around East New York, before going back.



Any project would also have to account for the Buckeye Pipeline, which carries jet fuel to LaGuardia and JFK airports and runs along the line, and occupies one of four tubes of the route’s East New York Tunnel.


Hochul first announced the project in her State of the State address on Jan. 5, but her scheme chopped off a section extending further to the Bronx that was part of the so-called Triboro originally proposed by the non-profit Regional Plan Association in the 1990s.


The new report claims that there would not be enough space on the Hell Gate Line to carry the new service every 5-15 minutes in addition to Amtrak, freight, and the planned Metro-North service there.

To accommodate more trains, the MTA would have to build costly new tracks and bridges.

The study’s findings will feed into the MTA’s upcoming environmental review of the project, which could unlock federal funding, the agency’s chairperson and chief executive officer Janno Lieber told reporters.

The transit guru was hesitant to give a specific cost for the IBX, but said it would be in the “single-digit billions,” or below $10 billion.

Lieber said the environmental review could put the IBX on pace to become part of the MTA’s next five-year capital plan starting in 2025, and construction would take three to five years.

A separate study by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is looking at building a freight tunnel across the harbor to New Jersey, which would increase the daily freight traffic to up to 21 trains by 2035.

The AECOM study has accounted for the IBX to run alongside such increased freight traffic, Lieber said.

Hochul unveils more details about Interborough Express in new study | amNewYork

Governor Kathy Hochul and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority released their first analysis of the Interborough Express project.

www.amny.com

10 billy for an entire new line, but putting up protective barriers in 25% of train stations will run 7 billy.

Docs show costs and challenges of subway track safety

Transit systems in Europe and Asia use platform doors.

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Documents obtained by ‪NY1 detail the challenges and costs the MTA would face. A study conducted for the MTAfound that platform doors could be installed in just over a quarter of subway stops — 128 stations out of 472.

But only once the MTA has train cars that are all the same size — a milestone that will take another decade. Today, with train models of various sizes, only 41 of the 128 stations could get platform doors.

Other issues include proper clearance under the Americans with Disabilities Act, columns too close to the platform edge and no space for platform door equipment. The cost of installing platform doors at those 128 stations would be $7 billion.

 

[Princenubian]

Governor Kathy Hochul and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority released a first analysis of the recently-revived project to run mass transit along freight rail lines in Brooklyn and Queens known as the Interborough Express.

The governor promoted her signature infrastructure initiative during a Thursday, Jan. 20, press conference at the Brooklyn Army Terminal near the southern end of the underused infrastructure she hopes to upcycle to passenger transport.

“Now we have an opportunity — a once-in-a-generation opportunity — to make the investments that should have been made all alone,” Hochul said. “But also to just reimagine some of the infrastructure that has been lying fallow for so many years that no one saw the possibilities of.”


The 2020-commissioned feasibility study for the MTA by consultancy firm AECOM offered an early look on how the new line — dubbed the IBX — could shape out over the coming years.

The IBX will run from the Bay Ridge-Sunset Park waterfront through central and eastern Brooklyn, and up to Jackson Heights, Queens, along 14 miles of freight rail right of way.

The scheme would connect 17 subway lines on its route and serve between 74,000-88,000 riders every weekday for a roughly 40 minute journey end-to-end, according to the report.

Passenger rail first rolled out on these tracks in 1876 as part of the New York and Manhattan Beach Railway, but the line was converted to freight operations in 1924 and currently carries no more than three freight trips per day.

The MTA’s Long Island Rail Road owns 11 miles of track operated by the New York and Atlantic Railway, while three miles at the northern end in Queens are owned by Florida-based freight company CSX.

AECOM looked at three modes of transport for the new route and how they would fit in with the current industrial trains: A regular rail line, light rail, and bus rapid transit.

A trolley or a bus would need to be physically separated from the existing trail lines, according to Federal Railroad Administration regulations, while a heavy passenger rail would not have to do that.

That takes up more space so those two modes would have to run above the freight track or on existing streets for some tighter portions of the line.

A passenger train would largely run along the western side of the tracks, but make a quick switch over to the east around East New York, before going back.



Any project would also have to account for the Buckeye Pipeline, which carries jet fuel to LaGuardia and JFK airports and runs along the line, and occupies one of four tubes of the route’s East New York Tunnel.


Hochul first announced the project in her State of the State address on Jan. 5, but her scheme chopped off a section extending further to the Bronx that was part of the so-called Triboro originally proposed by the non-profit Regional Plan Association in the 1990s.


The new report claims that there would not be enough space on the Hell Gate Line to carry the new service every 5-15 minutes in addition to Amtrak, freight, and the planned Metro-North service there.

To accommodate more trains, the MTA would have to build costly new tracks and bridges.

The study’s findings will feed into the MTA’s upcoming environmental review of the project, which could unlock federal funding, the agency’s chairperson and chief executive officer Janno Lieber told reporters.

The transit guru was hesitant to give a specific cost for the IBX, but said it would be in the “single-digit billions,” or below $10 billion.

Lieber said the environmental review could put the IBX on pace to become part of the MTA’s next five-year capital plan starting in 2025, and construction would take three to five years.

A separate study by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is looking at building a freight tunnel across the harbor to New Jersey, which would increase the daily freight traffic to up to 21 trains by 2035.

The AECOM study has accounted for the IBX to run alongside such increased freight traffic, Lieber said.

Hochul unveils more details about Interborough Express in new study | amNewYork

Governor Kathy Hochul and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority released their first analysis of the Interborough Express project.

www.amny.com

Meanwhile for me to get from The B-X to my Ozone park gig is 2hrs thru every borough but Staten Island.

I know they not trying to fu@$ up that $16 round trip over the Whitestone or Throggs.

You know how much cars would reduce if there was an easier way than those bridges.

No put a line where there’s already mad public transport. FOH.

‘Carry on……

 

[militantmidget]

For my NYC ppls, does this make any sense. Don't most ppl work in Manhattan?

How does a rail line from queens to Brooklyn help alleviate traffic?

 

[shaddyvillethug]

WAIT

YALL ARE BUILDING A RAIL TO CONNECT QUEENS TO BROOKLYN BUT NOT MANHATTAN?


lmaoooo

 

[Gemini]

 

[housefly]

For my NYC ppls, does this make any sense. Don't most ppl work in Manhattan?

How does a rail line from queens to Brooklyn help alleviate traffic?

I was thinking the same thing. Aint shit going on on that line. Bay Ridge,Maspeth, New lots FOH trips to no where.

 

[Dr. Truth]

It will take 100 years to make that. Meanwhile the Japanese would have that shit done in a year LOL we can’t even build a bullet train from the Bay to LA that runs through nothingness. NY ain’t building no new system in that congestion

 

[knightmelodic]

Here's how it works:

You neglect a piece of infrastructure until it becomes unusable all the while pocketing the funds that were supposed to be used for upkeep and maintenance, kicking back a portion to whatever think tank provides a survey that says, yup, unsafe.

After a suitable period you say, hey, we could be using that ____, and commission another survey on just how to do that, taking a kickback from the think tank for the business.

You collude with merchants and other politicians to get the new project passed making sure the right people get a taste. Away we go. Oh, and you pocket big kickbacks from whatever construction firm gets the bid.

Rinse and repeat.

BTW, this all is a way of manipulating real estate prices because ain't nobody building shit in a Black neighborhood but once enough whites move in, more police presence, crime rates fall and real estate values climb we golden.

Shit, I remember when walking through Red Hook without a plug was a death sentence. Now white mommies watch their spanish nannies play with their kids.

 

[knightmelodic]

For my NYC ppls, does this make any sense. Don't most ppl work in Manhattan?

How does a rail line from queens to Brooklyn help alleviate traffic?

Because there is only one subway that goes from Brooklyn to Queens and that's the G line. But they neutered it so much it's like 30% of what it used to be. Another brilliant move by the MTA by pulling up tracks and switches that they now need. Idiots.

So, yes, it will help with mass transit but it's mainly there for white people to get into manhattan from the neighborhoods they have gentrified.

**edit** what I meant to say was white people get from gentrified neighborhood to gentrified neighborhood without going through black neighborhoods or using trains that are usually full of Black people in that part of BK

As for vehicular traffic. Yikes. Brooklyn and Queens are the largest boroughs but only have old, skinny highways as direct connections - the BQE and The Jackie. Both of which are best avoided if possible for many reasons.
You can use The Belt but that means going around the entire edge of both boroughs.

But as I said, this is for white gentrified neighborhoods.

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

It will take 100 years to make that. Meanwhile the Japanese would have that shit done in a year LOL we can’t even build a bullet train from the Bay to LA that runs through nothingness. NY ain’t building no new system in that congestion

Wonder if the FAA has anything to do with preventing that

 

[A to Dah K]

Good more job security for me

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Here's how it works:

You neglect a piece of infrastructure until it becomes unusable all the while pocketing the funds that were supposed to be used for upkeep and maintenance, kicking back a portion to whatever think tank provides a survey that says, yup, unsafe.

After a suitable period you say, hey, we could be using that ____, and commission another survey on just how to do that, taking a kickback from the think tank for the business.

You collude with merchants and other politicians to get the new project passed making sure the right people get a taste. Away we go. Oh, and you pocket big kickbacks from whatever construction firm gets the bid.

Rinse and repeat.

BTW, this all is a way of manipulating real estate prices because ain't nobody building shit in a Black neighborhood but once enough whites move in, more police presence, crime rates fall and real estate values climb we golden.

Shit, I remember when walking through Red Hook without a plug was a death sentence. Now white mommies watch their spanish nannies play with their kids.

What’s a plug?????

nyc slang???

 

[A to Dah K]

Meanwhile for me to get from The B-X to my Ozone park gig is 2hrs thru every borough but Staten Island.

I know they not trying to fu@$ up that $16 round trip over the Whitestone or Throggs.

You know how much cars would reduce if there was an easier way than those bridges.

No put a line where there’s already mad public transport. FOH.

‘Carry on……

Bronx and far roc nobodies cares about

 

[blackbull1970]

Because there is only one subway that goes from Brooklyn to Queens and that's the G line. But they neutered it so much it's like 30% of what it used to be. Another brilliant move by the MTA by pulling up tracks and switches that they now need. Idiots.

So, yes, it will help with mass transit but it's mainly there for white people to get into manhattan from the neighborhoods they have gentrified.

As for vehicular traffic. Yikes. Brooklyn and Queens are the largest boroughs but only have old, skinny highways as direct connections - the BQE and The Jackie. Both of which are best avoided if possible for many reasons.
You can use The Belt but that means going around the entire edge of both boroughs.

But as I said, this is for white gentrified neighborhoods.

Im from NYC, currently living in Las Vegas.

What you wrote was what I was going to say in regards to gentrification.

Its not just NYC that is doing stuff like this, all the metro cities in the US are investing in mass transit and public works projects that benefit white folks.

And a lot of this money is coming from Biden infrastructure bill and the tax revenue collected from recreational marijuana sales.

None of the money will make it toward the Black community, the same as FDR’s “New Deal”, Eisenhower’s Interstate/Highway projects and Johnson’s Great Society initiative.

 

[A to Dah K]

For my NYC ppls, does this make any sense. Don't most ppl work in Manhattan?

How does a rail line from queens to Brooklyn help alleviate traffic?

Brooklyn is the new manhattan
“Atlantic yards” will be home to a lot of new shit. We start a huge foundation right across from Atlantic terminal in 3 weeks

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Im from NYC, currently living in Las Vegas.

What you wrote was what I was going to say in regards to gentrification.

Its not just NYC that is doing stuff like this, all the metro cities in the US are investing in mass transit and public works projects that benefit white folks.

And a lot of this money is coming from Biden infrastructure bill and the tax revenue collected from recreational marijuana sales.

None of the money will make it toward the Black community, the same as FDR’s “New Deal, Eisenhower Interstate/Highway project and Johnson’s Great Society initiative.

Biden lied?

 

[Da Backshot Champ]

Meanwhile for me to get from The B-X to my Ozone park gig is 2hrs thru every borough but Staten Island.

I know they not trying to fu@$ up that $16 round trip over the Whitestone or Throggs.

You know how much cars would reduce if there was an easier way than those bridges.

No put a line where there’s already mad public transport. FOH.

‘Carry on……

I feel ya pain. I used to have to travel from my building on Tryon Ave. down the street from Montefiore to Marine Park, Brooklyn on public transportation, ouch. Did that shit for a year then got another gig in Downtown BK before Manhattan. As much as motherfuckers bitch about traffic in DC and LA, I'm like motherfucker, you ever drive in NYC in the morning? I drive from Canarsie to Jamaica now, the Belt Pkwy is full of shitheads with no road etiquette.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

I feel ya pain. I used to have to travel from my building on Tryon Ave. down the street from Montefiore to Marine Park, Brooklyn on public transportation, ouch. Did that shit for a year then got another gig in Downtown BK before Manhattan. As much as motherfuckers bitch about traffic in DC and LA, I'm like motherfucker, you ever drive in NYC in the morning? I drive from Canarsie to Jamaica now, the Belt Pkwy is full of shitheads with no road etiquette.

Yea I used to stay on 125 n st nick

had to travel to Far rock wit a couple tokens

smh

 

[knightmelodic]

What’s a plug?????

nyc slang???

A connection, someone who will keep the hard boys off you.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

A connection, someone who will keep the hard boys off you.

I think I know what u are describing

 

[Gemini]

 

[babygwirl18]

Notice how they don’t include the G train on the map, which runs from Queens to Brooklyn, a similar route. It’s probably the least crowded train.

 

[HeavyArmz]

Because there is only one subway that goes from Brooklyn to Queens and that's the G line. But they neutered it so much it's like 30% of what it used to be. Another brilliant move by the MTA by pulling up tracks and switches that they now need. Idiots.

So, yes, it will help with mass transit but it's mainly there for white people to get into manhattan from the neighborhoods they have gentrified.

As for vehicular traffic. Yikes. Brooklyn and Queens are the largest boroughs but only have old, skinny highways as direct connections - the BQE and The Jackie. Both of which are best avoided if possible for many reasons.
You can use The Belt but that means going around the entire edge of both boroughs.

But as I said, this is for white gentrified neighborhoods.

Bruh, did you even look at the map? Majority of those neighborhoods are majority white neighborhoods. All the predominantly black neighborhoods already have train lines that go into Manhattan. This line would help people move around BK and Queens. Specifically for Black people, it would be helpful to go from Bed-Stuy to Flatbush easily.

 

[knightmelodic]

Bruh, did you even look at the map? Majority of those neighborhoods are majority white neighborhoods. All the predominantly black neighborhoods already have train lines that go into Manhattan. This line would help people move around BK and Queens. Specifically for Black people, it would be helpful to go from Bed-Stuy to Flatbush easily.

Yes, I looked at the map. You can already go from Bed to Flat easily. I used to do it regularly. In more than one way. But you know what's missing from that map? The G. And I'm not so sure the people in Maspeth and whatnot want grade-level trains because as we know there are a lot of boneyards in that section of Queens.
Take a look at some of the old subway maps and proposals and you'll see there were els in place already. Plus the L was originally supposed to swoop west once it hit Canarsie and go along the bottom of BK to the ferry at Boerum Pl, connecting all those lines.

But at the end of the day it will be about graft and corruption, nothing more nothing less.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

So is it better to live in Queens or Brooklyn if u worked in Manhattan????

 

[ViCiouS]

So is it better to live in Queens or Brooklyn if u worked in Manhattan????

same shit

 

[dade305]

Im from NYC, currently living in Las Vegas.

What you wrote was what I was going to say in regards to gentrification.

Its not just NYC that is doing stuff like this, all the metro cities in the US are investing in mass transit and public works projects that benefit white folks.

And a lot of this money is coming from Biden infrastructure bill and the tax revenue collected from recreational marijuana sales.

None of the money will make it toward the Black community, the same as FDR’s “New Deal”, Eisenhower’s Interstate/Highway projects and Johnson’s Great Society initiative.

Redline 2.0???

 

[shaddyvillethug]

same shit

????

East New York is like living in Astoria????

 

[ViCiouS]

????

East New York is like living in Astoria????

East New York is like Elmhurst
Williamsburg is like Astoria
Brooklyn hts - LIC
same shit

 

[shaddyvillethug]

East New York is like Elmhurst
Williamsburg is like Astoria
Brooklyn hts - LIC
same shit

What about the bronx

If I worked in Manhattan, besides Manhattan, what’s the best out the 3 to stay in for a cleaner commute back and forth?

Queens , Brooklyn , Bronx?

they all can’t be equal.

I’m looking to move out this shithole by May.

I’m weighing my options between New York and Vegas

 

[yureeka9]

New York just trying to spend all that infrastructure money.

 

[TimRock]

What about the bronx

If I worked in Manhattan, besides Manhattan, what’s the best out the 3 to stay in for a cleaner commute back and forth?

Queens , Brooklyn , Bronx?

they all can’t be equal.

I’m looking to move out this shithole by May.

I’m weighing my options between New York and Vegas

Bronx has an express train (the 6 i believe) that goes from Bx to Manhattan. I haven't been to NY in 3 years, but when i lived in the Bx, my commute to manhattan was much shorter than when i lived in BK, because of the 6 train. There are express trains in Brooklyn (Q?) but from where i traveled from it was still a long ride. Certain stations are just too major to skip over for an express train, so taking it was probably only a 5 to 10 minute difference from the regular train line (D or B). There'd be a bottleneck going over the bridge which would eventually cause all trains traveling that line to catch up to each other.

 

[World B Free]