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General Staff: Entire Russian unit refuses to take part in hostilities after suffering losses in Kharkiv Oblast
ANASTASIIA KALATUR - FRIDAY, 10 JUNE 2022, 06:53 The personnel of a motor rifle brigade from the 1st Army Corps of the Russian Armed Forces has refused to continue to take part in the war in Ukraine after suffering losses during fighting with the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Kharkiv Oblast.
Russians withdraw Buryat troops from Sievierodonetsk because theyre dropping like flies - Haidai
ALYONA MAZURENKO - THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022, 20:13 Serhii Haidai, the head of the Luhansk Oblast Military Administration, has reported that the Russians have withdrawn the remaining Buryat troops from Sievierodonetsk because they are significantly weaker than the Ukrainian troops.
The combat in the East is taking a toll on both sides. Ukraine needs more equipment while Russia needs troops.
This was almost a month ago but still true:
Translation of Girkin's latest assessment of what is going on:
Just in a week or two, the battle for the initiative will commence. In military lingo this means *to decide* who will be advancing, and who will be defending. Who can put pressure, attack. Prior to that, we were attacking. We practically smashed our foreheads in Donbas at the strongpoints of the adversary. Naturally, the enemy preserved their reserves, they did not fight for every meter. Yet now they are fighting literally for every meter trying to stop us, especially since now they… after our troops broke through the first line of defence which went on the Rubizhne – Severodonetsk – Popasna – Svetlodarsk line, and then to Avdiivka. We first bit a piece of Rubizhne – I emphasise “bit”, then broke through the frontline at Popasna. They started withdrawing troops where a “cauldron” could have formed. They’ve prepared Lysychansk and Severodonetsk for a circle defence, in addition to the fact that they didn’t want to leave the reinforced Zolotoye area which is also comfortable. They are holding on to this area and don’t want to give it up, fighting for it fiercely, even at the danger of an encirclement. We are trying to cut them off, in fact we don’t even need to go too far there, we need to get through to Siverskyi Donetsk and cut off that whole group… But we are unable to do it.
Ukrainians are leaning on Bakhmut and Soledar, which is the second line of their defence they started constructing back in 2015, and never stopped. They continue building field fortifications. Therefore, by leaning on these fortifications they are counting on stopping and exhausting us. The Donetsk infantry is 70% gone, at least the professionals, they are constantly reinforced… The mobilisation started again, but… We *Russians* also have large losses, I won’t be saying how large. This way they locked our main forces in a battle for Donbas. If I was them, I would keep saving up a part of the forces the same way they are saving them up now, I would have created a couple of strike groups, and I would have attacked now, right around mid-June, perhaps at the end – I don’t know how prepared they are, what cohesion they have.
On the other hand, if I was our generals, after realising that defeating the Donbas group is not working, I would have continued attempts to encircle Lysychansk to at least cut off part of the group that is located there and destroy it. Meanwhile I would have saved up some troops also and prepared a strike in a less reinforced area. So I’m waiting for a battle for the initiative. Either we start advancing somewhere with fresh forces that are urgently being formed, or it will be Ukraine who already created a strike group. They’ve definitely created it in Kherson, near Mykolaiv. There is data that they have everything ready for an advance. Can we hold it, it’s a big question, since defending there (and Ukrainians know it very well) are the same Donetsk militias, the “mobiki”, who have f*ck all equipment. The same “mobiki” were defending at Kharkiv – Ukrainians attacked with fairly small forces and forced them to the border. We had to deploy from reserves professional Russian BTGs to at least prevent the enemy from reaching the border at its full length. The same situation is in Kherson. If I was Ukrainians I would have attacked. So I’m waiting for them to attack. Either at Kherson or Kryvyi Rih. Maybe they’ll strike sooner, maybe later. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe in a month. But it’s definitely happening.
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Just in a week or two, the battle for the initiative will commence. In military lingo this means *to decide* who will be advancing, and who will be defending. Who can put pressure, attack. Prior to that, we were attacking. We practically smashed our foreheads in Donbas at the strongpoints of the adversary. Naturally, the enemy preserved their reserves, they did not fight for every meter. Yet now they are fighting literally for every meter trying to stop us, especially since now they… after our troops broke through the first line of defence which went on the Rubizhne – Severodonetsk – Popasna – Svetlodarsk line, and then to Avdiivka. We first bit a piece of Rubizhne – I emphasise “bit”, then broke through the frontline at Popasna. They started withdrawing troops where a “cauldron” could have formed. They’ve prepared Lysychansk and Severodonetsk for a circle defence, in addition to the fact that they didn’t want to leave the reinforced Zolotoye area which is also comfortable. They are holding on to this area and don’t want to give it up, fighting for it fiercely, even at the danger of an encirclement. We are trying to cut them off, in fact we don’t even need to go too far there, we need to get through to Siverskyi Donetsk and cut off that whole group… But we are unable to do it.
Ukrainians are leaning on Bakhmut and Soledar, which is the second line of their defence they started constructing back in 2015, and never stopped. They continue building field fortifications. Therefore, by leaning on these fortifications they are counting on stopping and exhausting us. The Donetsk infantry is 70% gone, at least the professionals, they are constantly reinforced… The mobilisation started again, but… We *Russians* also have large losses, I won’t be saying how large. This way they locked our main forces in a battle for Donbas. If I was them, I would keep saving up a part of the forces the same way they are saving them up now, I would have created a couple of strike groups, and I would have attacked now, right around mid-June, perhaps at the end – I don’t know how prepared they are, what cohesion they have.
On the other hand, if I was our generals, after realising that defeating the Donbas group is not working, I would have continued attempts to encircle Lysychansk to at least cut off part of the group that is located there and destroy it. Meanwhile I would have saved up some troops also and prepared a strike in a less reinforced area. So I’m waiting for a battle for the initiative. Either we start advancing somewhere with fresh forces that are urgently being formed, or it will be Ukraine who already created a strike group. They’ve definitely created it in Kherson, near Mykolaiv. There is data that they have everything ready for an advance. Can we hold it, it’s a big question, since defending there (and Ukrainians know it very well) are the same Donetsk militias, the “mobiki”, who have f*ck all equipment. The same “mobiki” were defending at Kharkiv – Ukrainians attacked with fairly small forces and forced them to the border. We had to deploy from reserves professional Russian BTGs to at least prevent the enemy from reaching the border at its full length. The same situation is in Kherson. If I was Ukrainians I would have attacked. So I’m waiting for them to attack. Either at Kherson or Kryvyi Rih. Maybe they’ll strike sooner, maybe later. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe in a month. But it’s definitely happening.
Igor Girking predicts a "battle for the initiative" - 10 June 2022 • WarTranslated
Igor Girkin comes out with another overview of the situation in Donbas and predicts an upcoming “battle for the initiative” to decide who will be defending and attacking. Mentions a Ukrainian strike group in Kherson direction which is now prepared for the advance, the only question is – when...
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General Staff: Entire Russian unit refuses to take part in hostilities after suffering losses in Kharkiv Oblast
ANASTASIIA KALATUR - FRIDAY, 10 JUNE 2022, 06:53 The personnel of a motor rifle brigade from the 1st Army Corps of the Russian Armed Forces has refused to continue to take part in the war in Ukraine after suffering losses during fighting with the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Kharkiv Oblast.www.yahoo.com
Russians withdraw Buryat troops from Sievierodonetsk because theyre dropping like flies - Haidai
ALYONA MAZURENKO - THURSDAY, 9 JUNE 2022, 20:13 Serhii Haidai, the head of the Luhansk Oblast Military Administration, has reported that the Russians have withdrawn the remaining Buryat troops from Sievierodonetsk because they are significantly weaker than the Ukrainian troops.
The combat in the East is taking a toll on both sides. Ukraine needs more equipment while Russia needs troops.
This was almost a month ago but still true:
mannnn a few things I’ve learned
Russia ain’t about to run out of artillery
President Z, needs to stop listening to Boris Johnson….this shit might’ve been over now
Ukraine probably lose way more land than now vs coming to the negotiating table in March. If they stop listening to Joh
the EU have more finger pointing than a lil bit
Biden talk all that shit But he still wants to buy Russia oil
Turkey didn’t back off demands against Sweden and Finland….
Washington trying to find an exit ramp from Ukraine
i know this one might not be believable but them Ukrainians lie way more than the Russians
mannnn a few things I’ve learned
Russia ain’t about to run out of artillery
President Z, needs to stop listening to Boris Johnson….this shit might’ve been over now
Ukraine probably lose way more land than now vs coming to the negotiating table in March. If they stop listening to Joh
the EU have more finger pointing than a lil bit
Biden talk all that shit But he still wants to buy Russia oil
Turkey didn’t back off demands against Sweden and Finland….
Washington trying to find an exit ramp from Ukraine
i know this one might not be believable but them Ukrainians lie way more than the Russians
They aren't going to run out of artillery shells but they are running out of current or even adequately maintained equipment. This shit is like something from the Onion. Also, I'm old enough to remember when it was insinuated on here and twitter that Russia was "saving" the good stuff for later.
:This is for the "sanctions actually help Russia" crowd...
So, 2014 was because of EU aspirations but now we not only have a Ukrainian EU candidacy on the cards but NATO expansion as well (Sweden, Finland). Turkey is not in a position to do anything about Finland or Sweden. Erdogan is flailing (he threatened Greece today
) because their economy is fucked. He wants concessions on the PPK and Gülen supporters for his domestic audience. You can tell how serious he is about blocking the process by the speed/ease at which it is progressing everywhere but Russophile twitter
Senate committee passes bipartisan resolution supporting Finland, Sweden joining NATO - UPI.com
The Senate committee on foreign relations has passed a bipartisan resolution supporting Finland and Sweden joining NATO amid Russia's ongoing aggression in Europe.
www.upi.com
As for the EU, I don't think you are reading the tealeaves correctly. There was outrage when Macron said this a few days back:
French President Emmanuel Macron has sparked a new wave of criticism and incomprehension over his calls to avoid humiliating Russia in Ukraine, showing up splits in the Western alliance.
Speaking to French media last Friday, Macron reiterated his belief that Russian leader Vladimir Putin must be given an exit from what he called his "historic and fundamental mistake" of invading Ukraine.
"We must not humiliate Russia so that the day when the fighting stops we can build an exit ramp through diplomatic means," the French head of state said, reprising an argument he made in early May.
Macron draws new wave of criticism over call not to 'humiliate' Russia
French President Emmanuel Macron has sparked a new wave of criticism and incomprehension over his calls to avoid humiliating Russia in Ukraine, showing up splits in the Western alliance.
www.france24.com
Just like when Kissinger said it, they aren't talking about avoiding "humiliating" putin because he is in a position of strength. This idea of providing him an exit stems from the exact opposite. Putin has fucked around with his 45D chess and now has Ukraine on the path to EU membership.
EU countries aren't about to vote in favor of them joining and then not back them against Russia. You can tell it is starting to get to Putin as this is completely out of character for him:
Putin compares himself to a famous historical figure, worrying experts about his ambitions
“Putin has been tearing off a lot of masks — what he’s revealing rather consistently is Russia’s new imperial ambitions,” one expert said.
www.nbcnews.com
He maintained for months with a straight face the he was only "denazifying" Ukraine with his wagner nazis but now that shit is out of control, he has just said fuck it.
I'm also shocked that one of the usual idiots on here hasn't posted yet bout the Russian/Nicaraguan military partnership that is going to bring the war to the West and really humble the US.
I guess Girkin et al aren't the only ones a little more sober these days...
They aren't going to run out of artillery shells but they are running out of current or even adequately maintained equipment. This shit is like something from the Onion. Also, I'm old enough to remember when it was insinuated on here and twitter that Russia was "saving" the good stuff for later.
This is for the "sanctions actually help Russia" crowd...
So, 2014 was because of EU aspirations but now we not only have a Ukrainian EU candidacy on the cards but NATO expansion as well (Sweden, Finland). Turkey is not in a position to do anything about Finland or Sweden. Erdogan is flailing (he threatened Greece today
Senate committee passes bipartisan resolution supporting Finland, Sweden joining NATO - UPI.com
The Senate committee on foreign relations has passed a bipartisan resolution supporting Finland and Sweden joining NATO amid Russia's ongoing aggression in Europe.
As for the EU, I don't think you are reading the tealeaves correctly. There was outrage when Macron said this a few days back:
French President Emmanuel Macron has sparked a new wave of criticism and incomprehension over his calls to avoid humiliating Russia in Ukraine, showing up splits in the Western alliance.
Speaking to French media last Friday, Macron reiterated his belief that Russian leader Vladimir Putin must be given an exit from what he called his "historic and fundamental mistake" of invading Ukraine.
"We must not humiliate Russia so that the day when the fighting stops we can build an exit ramp through diplomatic means," the French head of state said, reprising an argument he made in early May.
Macron draws new wave of criticism over call not to 'humiliate' Russia
French President Emmanuel Macron has sparked a new wave of criticism and incomprehension over his calls to avoid humiliating Russia in Ukraine, showing up splits in the Western alliance.
Just like when Kissinger said it, they aren't talking about avoiding "humiliating" putin because he is in a position of strength. This idea of providing him an exit stems from the exact opposite. Putin has fucked around with his 45D chess and now has Ukraine on the path to EU membership.
You can tell it is starting to get to Putin as this is completely out of character for him:
Putin compares himself to a famous historical figure, worrying experts about his ambitions
“Putin has been tearing off a lot of masks — what he’s revealing rather consistently is Russia’s new imperial ambitions,” one expert said.
He maintained for months with a straight face the he was only "denazifying" Ukraine with his wagner nazis but now that shit is out of control, he has just said fuck it.
I'm also shocked that one of the usual idiots on here hasn't posted yet bout the Russian/Nicaraguan military partnership that is going to bring the war to the West and really humble the US.
Man I’ve heard all of that EU chatter, it’s laughable to be honest
They dudes stay blaming each other for this and for that, not doing this not doing that…
hell they got some nations looking over their shoulders like mannn fuck this EU jerkoff fest
NBC news coverage…. Come on Brotha Zod, u way way more intelligent that
shit they might’ve well like Ukraine in the EU, it’s a mess so it would fit right in
What is wrong with NBC?
Hailing Peter the Great, Putin draws parallel with mission to 'return' Russian lands
Russian President Vladimir Putin paid tribute on Thursday to Tsar Peter the Great on the 350th anniversary of his birth, drawing a parallel between what he portrayed as their twin historic quests to win back Russian lands.
Also, do you realize how wild it is that you are dismissing Ukraine joining the EU? Literally 2014 was over an "aspiration" for Ukraine to do this and now we are talking about it in addition to NATO expansion. Truly unprecedented shit but I am all for it.
What is wrong with NBC?
Hailing Peter the Great, Putin draws parallel with mission to 'return' Russian lands
Russian President Vladimir Putin paid tribute on Thursday to Tsar Peter the Great on the 350th anniversary of his birth, drawing a parallel between what he portrayed as their twin historic quests to win back Russian lands.www.reuters.com
Also, do you realize how wild it is that you are dismissing Ukraine joining the EU? Literally 2014 was over an "aspiration" for Ukraine to do this and now we are talking about it in addition to NATO expansion. Truly unprecedented shit but I am all for it.
oh I don’t know what’s wrong with NBC
that was something a member did me in another thread. I just want to return the favor
for as the EU history, shit before March I didn’t know shit about it
I’m just picking up our other bgol members slack…
Partisan attacks are ramping up in occupied areas.
“Rashists Get ready! Raving partisans are coming for you”
" We'll find every creature that tortured our people in the basements, launched rockets or pointed artillery! You'll never find peace on our land. Death to occupiers!"
“Be ready! We know all of your patrol routes! Kherson is Ukraine”
“Rashists Get ready! Raving partisans are coming for you”
" We'll find every creature that tortured our people in the basements, launched rockets or pointed artillery! You'll never find peace on our land. Death to occupiers!"
“Be ready! We know all of your patrol routes! Kherson is Ukraine”
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I can't wait for TASS to explain what "secrets" are in this plant.
Speaking of that, what happened to the secret VIPS who were all fighting at the Azovstal plant? Recall, the russian and russophile narrative was that the defenders of the plant were fighting to the death and would never surrender as they were guarding super nazi Ukrainians along with covid bio lab secrets, NATO generals and more Hunter Biden secrets. You can look at the DPR and see what they would do if they actually captured anything they thought people would care about...Also, where do you find these accounts?
This one had it all:anti-vaccine, Scott Ritter, etc. Its also funny because you see how Russia animates a lot of the conservative social media in the US.
Sooooo let’s see I’m no Rhodes Scholar or anything… but seem like this could be a fake true story.
If I say I found refuge in a building and protecting civilians
all while evading an attacker
I really can’t go anywhere, probably only one way out….
the attacker, won’t seek to harm me because I have innocent civilians with me…
he don’t want those people blood on his hands
it would seem like I’m hiding with the innocent civilians
Some will say I’m trapped but I say I control this area…
in all, they both are right… Ukraine still controls that area, Russia likely have them surrounded, especially if they can’t access an escape route
if I remember correctly at The azovstal plant there’s wasn’t many roads leaving the plant
so I’m sure this azot plant is the same…
If I say I found refuge in a building and protecting civilians
all while evading an attacker
I really can’t go anywhere, probably only one way out….
the attacker, won’t seek to harm me because I have innocent civilians with me…
he don’t want those people blood on his hands
it would seem like I’m hiding with the innocent civilians
Some will say I’m trapped but I say I control this area…
in all, they both are right… Ukraine still controls that area, Russia likely have them surrounded, especially if they can’t access an escape route
if I remember correctly at The azovstal plant there’s wasn’t many roads leaving the plant
so I’m sure this azot plant is the same…
I can't wait for TASS to explain what "secrets" are in this plant.
Also, where do you find these accounts?
anti-vaccine, Scott Ritter, etc. Its also funny because you see how Russia animates a lot of the conservative social media in the US.
Only time will tell if this azot plant reflect its bigger brother in the south
Hunter Biden Man U better leave that along…
biolabs, well at first there wasn’t none, folks on here call others every name under the sun…Pentagon was denying it to end, Until China said what they said then all of sudden the congress lady admit to them.
Which was funny as hell
So will there be more information I’m not sure.
Hell I’m just a black muddafuck who’s cutting grass in the Da Boot.
now I must say I’m waiting for those fucking details Avozstal secrets too
You are going to be waiting a while as flooding the space with bullshit is their MO.Only time will tell if this azot plant reflect its bigger brother in the south
Hunter Biden Man U better leave that along…
biolabs, well at first there wasn’t none, folks on here call others every name under the sun…Pentagon was denying it to end, Until China said what they said then all of sudden the congress lady admit to them.
Which was funny as hell
So will there be more information I’m not sure.
Hell I’m just a black muddafuck who’s cutting grass in the Da Boot.
now I must say I’m waiting for those fucking details Avozstal secrets too
I guarantee that the Russians who are 100% not impacted by the sanctions (they are actually benefitting from them according to the idiot class) will ask for sanction relief in exchange for the "convicted" DPR prisoners.Notice that the same techniques used to spread covid disinformation are being used now with Ukraine.
This is a longer read but it will give you more insight into what is going on:
Since its 2008 incursion into Georgia (if not before), there has been a remarkable evolution in Russia's approach to propaganda. This new approach was on full display during the country's 2014 annexation of the Crimean peninsula. It continues to be demonstrated in support of ongoing conflicts in Ukraine and Syria and in pursuit of nefarious and long-term goals in Russia's “near abroad” and against NATO allies.
In some ways, the current Russian approach to propaganda builds on Soviet Cold War–era techniques, with an emphasis on obfuscation and on getting targets to act in the interests of the propagandist without realizing that they have done so.1 In other ways, it is completely new and driven by the characteristics of the contemporary information environment. Russia has taken advantage of technology and available media in ways that would have been inconceivable during the Cold War. Its tools and channels now include the Internet, social media, and the evolving landscape of professional and amateur journalism and media outlets.
Distinctive Features of the Contemporary Model for Russian Propaganda
- High-volume and multichannel
- Rapid, continuous, and repetitive
- Lacks commitment to objective reality
- Lacks commitment to consistency.
Contemporary Russian propaganda has at least two other distinctive features. It is also rapid, continuous, and repetitive, and it lacks commitment to consistency.
Interestingly, several of these features run directly counter to the conventional wisdom on effective influence and communication from government or defense sources, which traditionally emphasize the importance of truth, credibility, and the avoidance of contradiction.3 Despite ignoring these traditional principles, Russia seems to have enjoyed some success under its contemporary propaganda model, either through more direct persuasion and influence or by engaging in obfuscation, confusion, and the disruption or diminution of truthful reporting and messaging.
We offer several possible explanations for the effectiveness of Russia's firehose of falsehood. Our observations draw from a concise, but not exhaustive, review of the literature on influence and persuasion, as well as experimental research from the field of psychology. We explore the four identified features of the Russian propaganda model and show how and under what circumstances each might contribute to effectiveness. Many successful aspects of Russian propaganda have surprising foundations in the psychology literature, so we conclude with a brief discussion of possible approaches from the same field for responding to or competing with such an approach.
Russia's “Firehose of Falsehood” Propaganda Model
Russia's propaganda model is high-volume and multichannel, and it disseminates messages without regard for the truth. It is rapid, continuous, and repetitive, and it does not commit to consistency.
www.rand.org
You are going to be waiting a while as flooding the space with bullshit is their MO.
Notice that the same techniques used to spread covid disinformation are being used now with Ukraine.
This is a longer read but it will give you more insight into what is going on:
Since its 2008 incursion into Georgia (if not before), there has been a remarkable evolution in Russia's approach to propaganda. This new approach was on full display during the country's 2014 annexation of the Crimean peninsula. It continues to be demonstrated in support of ongoing conflicts in Ukraine and Syria and in pursuit of nefarious and long-term goals in Russia's “near abroad” and against NATO allies.
In some ways, the current Russian approach to propaganda builds on Soviet Cold War–era techniques, with an emphasis on obfuscation and on getting targets to act in the interests of the propagandist without realizing that they have done so.1 In other ways, it is completely new and driven by the characteristics of the contemporary information environment. Russia has taken advantage of technology and available media in ways that would have been inconceivable during the Cold War. Its tools and channels now include the Internet, social media, and the evolving landscape of professional and amateur journalism and media outlets.
Distinctive Features of the Contemporary Model for Russian Propaganda
We characterize the contemporary Russian model for propaganda as “the firehose of falsehood” because of two of its distinctive features: high numbers of channels and messages and a shameless willingness to disseminate partial truths or outright fictions. In the words of one observer, “[N]ew Russian propaganda entertains, confuses and overwhelms the audience.”2
- High-volume and multichannel
- Rapid, continuous, and repetitive
- Lacks commitment to objective reality
- Lacks commitment to consistency.
Contemporary Russian propaganda has at least two other distinctive features. It is also rapid, continuous, and repetitive, and it lacks commitment to consistency.
Interestingly, several of these features run directly counter to the conventional wisdom on effective influence and communication from government or defense sources, which traditionally emphasize the importance of truth, credibility, and the avoidance of contradiction.3 Despite ignoring these traditional principles, Russia seems to have enjoyed some success under its contemporary propaganda model, either through more direct persuasion and influence or by engaging in obfuscation, confusion, and the disruption or diminution of truthful reporting and messaging.
We offer several possible explanations for the effectiveness of Russia's firehose of falsehood. Our observations draw from a concise, but not exhaustive, review of the literature on influence and persuasion, as well as experimental research from the field of psychology. We explore the four identified features of the Russian propaganda model and show how and under what circumstances each might contribute to effectiveness. Many successful aspects of Russian propaganda have surprising foundations in the psychology literature, so we conclude with a brief discussion of possible approaches from the same field for responding to or competing with such an approach.
Russia's “Firehose of Falsehood” Propaganda Model
Russia's propaganda model is high-volume and multichannel, and it disseminates messages without regard for the truth. It is rapid, continuous, and repetitive, and it does not commit to consistency.
Yea we know Russia bullshit PR firms are A1
but seems like Ukraine PR firms do quite well also
hell Washington even amid they twisted stories to stay ahead of Russia
so fabricated stories is here to stay
on the subject of partisans...
Behind Enemy Lines, Scouts Help Ukrainians Execute Deadly Strikes
A nascent insurgency made up of civilians or former soldiers provided information that aided Ukraine’s attack on two Russian bases, according to a senior Ukrainian military official.
www.nytimes.com
Behind Enemy Lines, Scouts Help Ukrainians Execute Deadly Strikes
A nascent insurgency made up of civilians or former soldiers provided information that aided Ukraine’s attack on two Russian bases, according to a senior Ukrainian military official.
Behind Enemy Lines, Scouts Help Ukrainians Execute Deadly Strikes (Published 2022)
A nascent insurgency made up of civilians or former soldiers provided information that aided Ukraine’s attack on two Russian bases, according to a senior Ukrainian military official.
Yea we know Russia bullshit PR firms are A1
but seems like Ukraine PR firms do quite well also
hell Washington even amid they twisted stories to stay ahead of Russia
so fabricated stories is here to stay
Versions of this quote have been around forever regarding the Soviets/Russians:
“The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.”
This sinking of the Moskva is a great example of it in action. Crew of 500+ and hit with two 1,800lb + anti ship cruise missiles but the official line is still that one died and 27 are missing...
Parent Of Missing Moskva Sailor Says He's Been Questioned By Russian Security And Had Laptop Seized
The father of one of the sailors who is feared to have died in the sinking of the Moskva in April, suspects that authorities are trying to halt him from seeking answers about their fate.
www.rferl.org
The problem is that the russians and russophiles would like to have it both ways. This is TASS accurately reporting on Ukranian casualties using Zelensky as the source:
About 2,500-3,000 Ukrainian servicemen were killed and 10,000 injured since the start of Russia’s special military operation, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky said.
"Judging by the figures that we have, we believe we had lost from 2,500 to 3,000 servicemen. <…> We have 10,000 injured, it’s hard to say how many of them will survive," he said in fragment of an interview to CNN, released on Friday.
Now, it can't be we have killed 2,500-3,000 troops and even Zelensky admits it AND , simultaneously, Zelensky spends all of his time exaggerating losses and the threat of defeat etc. to get more weapons and money from the West.
Notice when Zelensky said recently up to 100 Ukrainian troops daily are dying now in the East, it was amplified widely by pro russian social media. Of course, the part where he also said 300+ Russians were dying daily was ignored:
The daily casualties of the Ukrainian armed forces amount to about 60-100 servicemen killed and around 500 injured, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky said in an interview to the Newsmax television.
"The most difficult situation is in the east of Ukraine and southern Donetsk and Lugansk," he said. "The situation is very difficult; we're losing 60-100 soldiers per day as killed in action and something around 500 people as wounded in action."
You see dumb shit like this across the board from the Russians. How many times have you seen pictures from pro russian social media celebrating the capture of of "western equipment" like this
:Recall the posts of Russians and Chechens with Javelin CLUs thinking they have captured the system?
Apparently, that wasn't good enough so we got this from TASS:The much-touted Javelin and NLAW man-portable anti-tank missile systems supplied by NATO countries to Ukraine have performed poorly on the battlefield and created numerous setbacks, a captured Ukrainian POW said in a video released by Russia’s Defense Ministry on Thursday.
"US military aid, to my mind, has been overhyped because the much-touted ATWS [anti-tank weapon systems] and grenade launchers, their Javelins and NLAWs that were heavily promoted, failed to prove their worth in practice. They suffered setbacks, with normally one out of four weapons firing and instances of duds or blasts 50 meters away from the target," the Ukrainian POW said.
Consider that we have visual confirmation of 700+ tank kills and something like 1,300+ other armored vehicles in large part due to the works of NLAWs and Javelins and the need for this article becomes apparent.
The Russians actually got a bit greedy this time as they tried to also deflect from the issues with the high dud rate for their artillery.If you want accurate information from the "russian" perspective, people like Girkin and some of the other ultra nationalists are way better than the hoteps and contrarians on twitter. For example, this is Girkin today reacting to some of the data from FIRMS showing that either Ukraine has some weapons that were delivered unannounced or there is siginifact partisan/sabatoge activity going on behind the Russian lines:
For Wagner group and other russian mercenaries, look at "reverse side of the medal" on telegram. Be warned these are actual nazis so you will get some wild shit on there when translated.
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Versions of this quote have been around forever regarding the Soviets/Russians:
“The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.”
This sinking of the Moskva is a great example of it in action. Crew of 500+ and hit with two 1,800lb + anti ship cruise missiles but the official line is still that one died and 27 are missing...
Parent Of Missing Moskva Sailor Says He's Been Questioned By Russian Security And Had Laptop Seized
The father of one of the sailors who is feared to have died in the sinking of the Moskva in April, suspects that authorities are trying to halt him from seeking answers about their fate.
The problem is that the russians and russophiles would like to have it both ways. This is TASS accurately reporting on Ukranian casualties using Zelensky as the source:
About 2,500-3,000 Ukrainian servicemen were killed and 10,000 injured since the start of Russia’s special military operation, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky said.
"Judging by the figures that we have, we believe we had lost from 2,500 to 3,000 servicemen. <…> We have 10,000 injured, it’s hard to say how many of them will survive," he said in fragment of an interview to CNN, released on Friday.
Now, it can't be we have killed 2,500-3,000 troops and even Zelensky admits it AND , simultaneously, Zelensky spends all of his time exaggerating losses and the threat of defeat etc. to get more weapons and money from the West.
Notice when Zelensky said recently up to 100 Ukrainian troops daily are dying now in the East, it was amplified widely by pro russian social media. Of course, the part where he also said 300+ Russians were dying daily was ignored:
The daily casualties of the Ukrainian armed forces amount to about 60-100 servicemen killed and around 500 injured, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky said in an interview to the Newsmax television.
"The most difficult situation is in the east of Ukraine and southern Donetsk and Lugansk," he said. "The situation is very difficult; we're losing 60-100 soldiers per day as killed in action and something around 500 people as wounded in action."
You see dumb shit like this across the board from the Russians. How many times have you seen pictures from pro russian social media celebrating the capture of of "western equipment" like this
Recall the posts of Russians and Chechens with Javelin CLUs thinking they have captured the system?
The much-touted Javelin and NLAW man-portable anti-tank missile systems supplied by NATO countries to Ukraine have performed poorly on the battlefield and created numerous setbacks, a captured Ukrainian POW said in a video released by Russia’s Defense Ministry on Thursday.
"US military aid, to my mind, has been overhyped because the much-touted ATWS [anti-tank weapon systems] and grenade launchers, their Javelins and NLAWs that were heavily promoted, failed to prove their worth in practice. They suffered setbacks, with normally one out of four weapons firing and instances of duds or blasts 50 meters away from the target," the Ukrainian POW said.
Consider that we have visual confirmation of 700+ tank kills and something like 1,300+ other armored vehicles in large part due to the works of NLAWs and Javelins and the need for this article becomes apparent.
If you want accurate information from the "russian" perspective, people like Girkin and some of the other ultra nationalists are way better than the hoteps and contrarians on twitter. For example, this is Girkin today reacting to some of the data from FIRMS showing that either Ukraine has some weapons that were delivered unannounced or there is siginifact partison/sabatoge ativity going on behind the Russian lines:
For Wagner group and other russian mercenaries, look at "reverse side of the medal" on telegram. Be warned these are actual nazis so you will get some wild shit on there when translated.
I don’t know much about the wager group or anything
shit actually I felt and thought, all them fuckers are/were Nazi…
Russia, Germany, Poland, Great Britain etc
I look at them like white folks look at most black folks…. One bad all is bad so fuck em
far as the weapons, seem like President Z and his public ops aka public relations team does the heavy lifting of whining for weapons…
They had to fire that milf with the glasses because she fabricated her stories.
Her ass was possible to be setting up corridors but she chilling on a beach
(Not really on a beach, but she just had been)
Zman had to tell mainstream media, y’all please stop airing these stories, because it’s not true.
Just like their account of Russian generals killed, I think 3 have appeared after Ukraine MOD claimed they were killed….
President Z, said 60-100 troops
Then his right hand man said 100-200
Seems like don’t know what the hell is going on….
Yup strait outta there
Russia likely to seize all of Luhansk in coming weeks, U.S. official says
Russia is likely to seize control of the entire Luhansk region of Ukraine within a few weeks, a senior U.S. defense official said, as Ukraine sustains heavy casualties and its supplies of ammunition dwindle.
Such a move would leave Russia short of its war aims of capturing all of Luhansk and Donetsk, which together make up the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine. But it would still amount to a win for Russian forces and create a new de facto front line that could last for some time.
Russian troops had not been able to make advances in the city’s south as of Friday, according to the latest intelligence update from Britain’s Defense Ministry, released Saturday. But they are combining artillery firepower with airstrikes to overwhelm Ukrainian defenses, the ministry said. Ukraine has called for faster deliveries of Western arms to its outgunned military.
Russia’s progress remains incremental overall and is coming at great cost to its own forces in terms of deaths and injuries, the U.S. defense official said.
Ukrainian forces have been fighting a very effective “mobile area defense,” in which Russia presses forward with its assault as Ukrainian forces fall back, only for Ukrainian forces to then rebound and take back land.
“The Ukrainians are doing a really good job here,” the U.S. official said.
Russia is likely to seize control of the entire Luhansk region of Ukraine within a few weeks, a senior U.S. defense official said, as Ukraine sustains heavy casualties and its supplies of ammunition dwindle.
Such a move would leave Russia short of its war aims of capturing all of Luhansk and Donetsk, which together make up the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine. But it would still amount to a win for Russian forces and create a new de facto front line that could last for some time.
Russian troops had not been able to make advances in the city’s south as of Friday, according to the latest intelligence update from Britain’s Defense Ministry, released Saturday. But they are combining artillery firepower with airstrikes to overwhelm Ukrainian defenses, the ministry said. Ukraine has called for faster deliveries of Western arms to its outgunned military.
Russia’s progress remains incremental overall and is coming at great cost to its own forces in terms of deaths and injuries, the U.S. defense official said.
Ukrainian forces have been fighting a very effective “mobile area defense,” in which Russia presses forward with its assault as Ukrainian forces fall back, only for Ukrainian forces to then rebound and take back land.
“The Ukrainians are doing a really good job here,” the U.S. official said.
Some details of the death of Major General Roman Kutuzov.
It is reported that his Kutuzov headquarters consisting of the APC, two "Tigers" and a communication machine moved to the front edge in the area of Nikolaevka. The column almost immediately fell under the artillery fire of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Presumably, the 44th Separate Art Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired at the management group.
For several days (June 4-5), the brigade division conducted reconnaissance of the front edge with the use of UAVs, and technical means of radio interception. As a result of comprehensive intelligence, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to establish the estimated location of the unit of the Russian Armed Forces. And already on June 5, the 3rd Battery of the 1st Art Division of the 44th Oabre struck, as a result of which General Roman Kutuzov died.
Would this hamper the NATO bid even more.on the subject of partisans...
Behind Enemy Lines, Scouts Help Ukrainians Execute Deadly Strikes
A nascent insurgency made up of civilians or former soldiers provided information that aided Ukraine’s attack on two Russian bases, according to a senior Ukrainian military official.
Behind Enemy Lines, Scouts Help Ukrainians Execute Deadly Strikes (Published 2022)
A nascent insurgency made up of civilians or former soldiers provided information that aided Ukraine’s attack on two Russian bases, according to a senior Ukrainian military official.
almost give the notion of being Terrorist state
Building a Lasting Settlement for Ukraine
Current Western strategy in Ukraine is not conducive to peace because it does not deal with some essential aspects of the current conflict. It does not deal with the rights of Russian speakers in Ukraine, and it does not address the thirty-year failure to set up a pan-European security system that includes Russia. Both are issues of primary importance to Russia. The relationship between them may not be obvious to many in the West, but for Russia, they illustrate a mindset of promoting Western interests and values at the expense of Russia’s.
It is precisely because of this mindset that the West was caught flat-footed when Russia suddenly seized the initiative to assert its interests through military means. This has left the West in a quandary, with few palatable options. Its preferred means of coercion—economic sanctions—are bound to become less and less effective over time, just as they have been in other countries, which have always found workable substitutes to reduce dependence on the West. Russia’s importance in providing the world with essential commodities, such as oil, gas, grains, and fertilizer, gives it even more economic clout.
At the same time, the political isolation that the West has sought to impose, while it has a certain public relations appeal, further limits the West’s ability to get Russia to cooperate on other issues of vital importance, and forces Russia into new alliances that will invariably be anti-Western. Henry Kissinger has recently argued that institutionalizing such animosity would be historically unprecedented and should be avoided at all costs.
Meanwhile, despite the rhetoric from Kyiv, the war has not brought Ukraine any closer to a resolution of its own internal conflicts. The rise of Ukrainian patriotic fervor is quite real, yet it often reflects the same regional disparities that have divided Ukraine since its independence. No matter how the military conflict ends, therefore, old resentments are likely to resurface, with Russian-speakers once again being blamed for their supposedly divided loyalties. As the popular Ukrainian journalist Mikhail Dubinyanski recently put it, “it took but a moment for the front lines to stabilize, for the traditional internal hate to re-emerge.”
A lasting settlement must recognize that this conflict will not end with the withdrawal of Russian troops. A settlement must, therefore, address three vital aspects of the conflict simultaneously, or it will not last. First, the competition between Russia and the West over Ukraine, which is clearly not going to end after the fighting stops. Second, the conflict between Russian and Ukrainian elites over their respective national and cultural differences, which is only going to intensify after the war. Third, the conflict between Ukraine’s western and eastern halves, which current patriotic enthusiasm has temporarily masked.
Our proposal does not seek to end these conflicts, which are endemic, but rather to shift the competition from the military arena, with its concomitant dangers of escalation, to the arenas of economic well-being and soft power. In essence, this is the kind of competition that the West was engaged in with the Soviet Union during the heyday of détente after it decided that coexistence was preferable to mutually assured destruction.
In exchange for the cessation of hostilities and the withdrawal of its forces, Russia would be obliged to not annex the regions it currently occupies and agree to hold a status referendum there under international supervision, some ten to twenty years from now. Ukraine, for its part, would accept its temporary loss of control over Novorossiya (the regions of Donbass, Lugansk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, and Nikolayev), with the proviso that their status will be ultimately determined by the referendum outcome.
In addition, NATO would formally pledge not to consider Ukraine for membership. In deference to Ukraine, however, there would be no formal pledge of Ukrainian neutrality. This would permit Ukraine to receive a wide variety of defensive military assistance and training from other countries, short of permanent foreign bases and weapons systems capable of striking Russian territory. Ukraine’s security concerns would be further allayed by a formal pledge by Russia that it will not object to European Union (EU) membership for Ukraine, opening the door to the multi-year assistance with investments and reforms that Ukraine will desperately need to recover.
Russian security, meanwhile, would be bolstered by international recognition of Novorossiya (some of the mechanisms used to defuse the dispute over the Free Territory of Trieste and Saarland might apply). A demilitarized zone on both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian border could be created and security further enhanced by the commitment of several key states to ensure the borders of both Ukraine and Novorossiya.
Sweeteners for Ukraine
A Ukrainian state that is able to pursue the post-2014 nationalist agenda. To obtain Western security guarantees, Russia will have to give up its goal of fully de-Nazifying Ukraine.
The firm prospect of EU membership in the foreseeable future. Russia may draw some scant comfort, however, from the fact that the regime that will be built in Ukraine will then be Europe’s headache (as some are beginning to realize).
Multi-year aid and defensive weapons assistance for Ukraine.
The possibility that regions now lost could eventually rejoin Ukraine if Kyiv provides them with appealing reasons to do so. This will, of course, depend on the policies that Kyiv adopts toward those regions, but Ukrainian authorities will have the better part of two decades, and significant Western assistance, to make their case.
Sweeteners for Russia
The loss of Ukrainian territory—Crimea permanently, Novorossiya perhaps only temporarily.
No NATO membership for Ukraine.
Western sanctions lifted on Russia, Belarus, and Novorossiya. One can reasonably assume that the regions within Novorossiya will be more naturally drawn to Russia. The EU should therefore not repeat the mistake that it made in 2013 of forcing Ukrainians to choose between European and Eurasian economic integration. This time around, everything should be done to create a free trade zone that encourages these regions to become a vital bridge linking both.
Finally, there is the possibility of Novorossiya eventually choosing to join Russia, should it prove to be more appealing and successful than Ukraine. No doubt, the West will do everything in its power over the next ten to twenty years to ensure that this is not the case.
The West should welcome such a shift in the focus of competition since it regards economic success and soft power as areas of traditional strength. Russia too should also welcome it, since it argues that at heart Russians and Ukrainians share a cultural and spiritual bond that goes much deeper than economics. This would be a chance to prove or disprove this argument. Ukrainian nationalists should also welcome it since it would give them two decades in which to build a broad base of support within Ukraine for their view that Russians and Ukrainians have nothing in common and to propagate this view through cultural ties and exports to Novorossiya. Moreover, they will be able to do so among a much more homogenous Ukrainian population, with the blessing and financial support of the West.
Finally, there is the not inconsiderable security advantage that Europe and the world would derive from establishing a framework in which Russia and the West can compete in ways that would be potentially mutually beneficial, rather than assuredly mutually destructive.
It will be objected that such a settlement rewards Russian aggression. In an imperfect world, however, the morality of punishing Russia (without, mind you, ensuring its withdrawal) must be weighed against the morality of allowing further suffering in Ukraine, especially when the alternative not only stops the bloodshed but also offers a mechanism whereby, under more auspicious conditions, Ukraine could potentially regain its territories. Time, however, is of the essence. The longer settlement negotiations are delayed, the more territory that Ukraine is likely to lose to Novorossiya.
Another likely objection will no doubt be that Russian officials cannot ever be trusted to keep their word. Those who feel this way have a ready-made objection to any form of negotiations, and not just with Russia. The only thing we would point out is that by putting the status referendum a good way off into the future, the means of its implementation will be negotiated not by those who unleashed this war, but by a post-Putin Russian leadership. The type of relationship we will have with those future Russian leaders is still very much in the West’s hands to determine.
nationalinterest.org
Current Western strategy in Ukraine is not conducive to peace because it does not deal with some essential aspects of the current conflict. It does not deal with the rights of Russian speakers in Ukraine, and it does not address the thirty-year failure to set up a pan-European security system that includes Russia. Both are issues of primary importance to Russia. The relationship between them may not be obvious to many in the West, but for Russia, they illustrate a mindset of promoting Western interests and values at the expense of Russia’s.
It is precisely because of this mindset that the West was caught flat-footed when Russia suddenly seized the initiative to assert its interests through military means. This has left the West in a quandary, with few palatable options. Its preferred means of coercion—economic sanctions—are bound to become less and less effective over time, just as they have been in other countries, which have always found workable substitutes to reduce dependence on the West. Russia’s importance in providing the world with essential commodities, such as oil, gas, grains, and fertilizer, gives it even more economic clout.
At the same time, the political isolation that the West has sought to impose, while it has a certain public relations appeal, further limits the West’s ability to get Russia to cooperate on other issues of vital importance, and forces Russia into new alliances that will invariably be anti-Western. Henry Kissinger has recently argued that institutionalizing such animosity would be historically unprecedented and should be avoided at all costs.
Meanwhile, despite the rhetoric from Kyiv, the war has not brought Ukraine any closer to a resolution of its own internal conflicts. The rise of Ukrainian patriotic fervor is quite real, yet it often reflects the same regional disparities that have divided Ukraine since its independence. No matter how the military conflict ends, therefore, old resentments are likely to resurface, with Russian-speakers once again being blamed for their supposedly divided loyalties. As the popular Ukrainian journalist Mikhail Dubinyanski recently put it, “it took but a moment for the front lines to stabilize, for the traditional internal hate to re-emerge.”
A lasting settlement must recognize that this conflict will not end with the withdrawal of Russian troops. A settlement must, therefore, address three vital aspects of the conflict simultaneously, or it will not last. First, the competition between Russia and the West over Ukraine, which is clearly not going to end after the fighting stops. Second, the conflict between Russian and Ukrainian elites over their respective national and cultural differences, which is only going to intensify after the war. Third, the conflict between Ukraine’s western and eastern halves, which current patriotic enthusiasm has temporarily masked.
Our proposal does not seek to end these conflicts, which are endemic, but rather to shift the competition from the military arena, with its concomitant dangers of escalation, to the arenas of economic well-being and soft power. In essence, this is the kind of competition that the West was engaged in with the Soviet Union during the heyday of détente after it decided that coexistence was preferable to mutually assured destruction.
In exchange for the cessation of hostilities and the withdrawal of its forces, Russia would be obliged to not annex the regions it currently occupies and agree to hold a status referendum there under international supervision, some ten to twenty years from now. Ukraine, for its part, would accept its temporary loss of control over Novorossiya (the regions of Donbass, Lugansk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, and Nikolayev), with the proviso that their status will be ultimately determined by the referendum outcome.
In addition, NATO would formally pledge not to consider Ukraine for membership. In deference to Ukraine, however, there would be no formal pledge of Ukrainian neutrality. This would permit Ukraine to receive a wide variety of defensive military assistance and training from other countries, short of permanent foreign bases and weapons systems capable of striking Russian territory. Ukraine’s security concerns would be further allayed by a formal pledge by Russia that it will not object to European Union (EU) membership for Ukraine, opening the door to the multi-year assistance with investments and reforms that Ukraine will desperately need to recover.
Russian security, meanwhile, would be bolstered by international recognition of Novorossiya (some of the mechanisms used to defuse the dispute over the Free Territory of Trieste and Saarland might apply). A demilitarized zone on both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian border could be created and security further enhanced by the commitment of several key states to ensure the borders of both Ukraine and Novorossiya.
Sweeteners for Ukraine
A Ukrainian state that is able to pursue the post-2014 nationalist agenda. To obtain Western security guarantees, Russia will have to give up its goal of fully de-Nazifying Ukraine.
The firm prospect of EU membership in the foreseeable future. Russia may draw some scant comfort, however, from the fact that the regime that will be built in Ukraine will then be Europe’s headache (as some are beginning to realize).
Multi-year aid and defensive weapons assistance for Ukraine.
The possibility that regions now lost could eventually rejoin Ukraine if Kyiv provides them with appealing reasons to do so. This will, of course, depend on the policies that Kyiv adopts toward those regions, but Ukrainian authorities will have the better part of two decades, and significant Western assistance, to make their case.
Sweeteners for Russia
The loss of Ukrainian territory—Crimea permanently, Novorossiya perhaps only temporarily.
No NATO membership for Ukraine.
Western sanctions lifted on Russia, Belarus, and Novorossiya. One can reasonably assume that the regions within Novorossiya will be more naturally drawn to Russia. The EU should therefore not repeat the mistake that it made in 2013 of forcing Ukrainians to choose between European and Eurasian economic integration. This time around, everything should be done to create a free trade zone that encourages these regions to become a vital bridge linking both.
Finally, there is the possibility of Novorossiya eventually choosing to join Russia, should it prove to be more appealing and successful than Ukraine. No doubt, the West will do everything in its power over the next ten to twenty years to ensure that this is not the case.
The West should welcome such a shift in the focus of competition since it regards economic success and soft power as areas of traditional strength. Russia too should also welcome it, since it argues that at heart Russians and Ukrainians share a cultural and spiritual bond that goes much deeper than economics. This would be a chance to prove or disprove this argument. Ukrainian nationalists should also welcome it since it would give them two decades in which to build a broad base of support within Ukraine for their view that Russians and Ukrainians have nothing in common and to propagate this view through cultural ties and exports to Novorossiya. Moreover, they will be able to do so among a much more homogenous Ukrainian population, with the blessing and financial support of the West.
Finally, there is the not inconsiderable security advantage that Europe and the world would derive from establishing a framework in which Russia and the West can compete in ways that would be potentially mutually beneficial, rather than assuredly mutually destructive.
It will be objected that such a settlement rewards Russian aggression. In an imperfect world, however, the morality of punishing Russia (without, mind you, ensuring its withdrawal) must be weighed against the morality of allowing further suffering in Ukraine, especially when the alternative not only stops the bloodshed but also offers a mechanism whereby, under more auspicious conditions, Ukraine could potentially regain its territories. Time, however, is of the essence. The longer settlement negotiations are delayed, the more territory that Ukraine is likely to lose to Novorossiya.
Another likely objection will no doubt be that Russian officials cannot ever be trusted to keep their word. Those who feel this way have a ready-made objection to any form of negotiations, and not just with Russia. The only thing we would point out is that by putting the status referendum a good way off into the future, the means of its implementation will be negotiated not by those who unleashed this war, but by a post-Putin Russian leadership. The type of relationship we will have with those future Russian leaders is still very much in the West’s hands to determine.
Building a Lasting Settlement for Ukraine
A lasting settlement must recognize that this conflict will not end with the withdrawal of Russian troops.
nationalinterest.org