Biden is the least electable candidate — here's why
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That’s costanza a stone cold dumb fucking troll
Neither of you can justify it, you just don't like him and throw around slurs without understanding or caring about their meaning.
mf so
You Trump fuckers get on my nerves
You Trump fuckers get on my nerves
Bernie and Warren are the best bets by far my guy
Lmao. Bernie would get crushed once the middle of the country discovered he’s a socialist jew that sided with the Castros. Folks in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are not for all the far left stuff. They’re just not.
Nobody is falling for that white supremacist, russian intel fake ADOS movement
Biden is just a sleeze ball that Obama needed to run and be quiet in order to secure the presidency
Now that he's out front he's exposing himself to be unqualified for the main stage
Now that he's out front he's exposing himself to be unqualified for the main stage
By what definition is Cornell West America’s top black academic?
If the Dems run someone saying they;re going to make gasoline illegal and outlaw private health insurance, Trump is getting four more years. No way we’re going to be that dump (I hope)
Nah...
As a professor and an academic, he is an
intelligent brotha.
As far as political matters are concerned,
he's a yessah massah... boot licking coon.
If Rembrandt dont know that much by
now, he don't even deserve to be in
this bgol discussion.
Media wants Trump more than anything
They give him favorable coverage and too many Americans believe the media
Its basically on white ppl
Black ppl vote correctly
Lmao.
That’s why the only person other than Biden to consistently beat Trump in the polls going back to 2016 is.............. Bernie Sanders.
A Biden candidacy is Hillary Clinton 2.0, a redux 2016 candidate, with all of it's loooosing tactics. How soon Democratic party shotcallers forget why they lost to con-man sociopath Drumpf
Originally posted by Muckraker10021 on Nov 16, 2016
Hillary lost because she had NO compelling message; all she did was point at Trump and say, I'm not him, vote for me.
She also had the baggage of all the 25 years of Billary drama. Bill's sexual escapades, the self-enriching machinations of the Clinton Foundation, her duplicitous neo-liberal Wall St. friendly financial policies, her extremely late opposition to the TPP and acknowledgement that NAFTA destroyed millions of peoples lives. Voter suppression of Black & brown votes also hurt her; in North Carolina the Black vote was down 8% from 2012 levels. All of the above was not enough to cause her to lose the POTUS if she had carried the white blue collar vote in the key states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin & Michigan that Obama won twice.
The voters that the Hillary made NO attempt to reach, rejecting the advice of her husband (total stupidity) were the white male voters (so-called blue collar) who have lost their manufacturing jobs over the past 20 years due to corporate greed and globalization. You have $$$$$ profitable companies sending factories overseas for one reason only — they can make even more money because the foreign workers make $10 dollars per day instead of $20 bucks an hour.
The Democrats have to reach these blue collar white male voters. Obama won a plurality of their vote in 2008 and 2012.
Hillary lost them anywhere from 12% to 34% to Trump. In Michigan 90,000 voters voted for everyone except Hillary. They left her box blank and they DID NOT vote for Trump.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/watch-michael-moore-drops-some-hard-truths-about-how-democrats-have-ignored-the-midwest/
The blue-collar "Bubba" vote DID NOT majority vote for McCain or RMoney, they went for a Black guy named Barack Hussein Obama. Bill Clinton also won the "Bubba" vote in 1992 and 1996. Jesse Jackson won the "Bubba" vote when he ran in the Democratic party primaries in the 1980's. Guys making base hourly pay of $15 to $50 an hour should not be voting 66% for RepubliKlans as they do when a Democratic candidate literally ignores them as Hillary did. "Bubba's" are called Reagan democrats for a reason; they are traditionally Democratic voters from union households. They got conned by RayGun in 1980 and voted for him, who then decimated unions nationwide. Then reich-wing RepubliKlan talk radio & FOX FAKE news started in the 1990's (Rush, Savage, Levine, Hannity, O'Really, etc.) and the 24/7 Joseph Goebbels style propaganda broadcast began. The Democratic party had no effective response to the 24/7 digital brownshirts that the RepubliKlan unleashed. They had no spine, no backbone; they were afraid to even call the digital brownshits like Rush, O'Really, etc. the fucking liars that they were. Remember when on FAKE it used to be Hannity & Colmes and Colmes who was supposed to be the Democrat surrogate just sat there like an idiot as Hannity spewed out demonstrably false lie after lie. That whole thing was a premeditated set up by FAKE boss Roger Ailes to make Liberals look like buffoons. Colmes made millions. When they didn't need him anymore they cut him from the program. So to sum up, Democrats should compete for the "Bubba" vote, not just give it to the RepubliKlans. If Bernie Sanders was the Democratic candidate, he would of carried the "Bubba" vote in a landslide.
In 2008 Obama received 43% of the total white vote. Obama got the highest percentage of ALL white votes--43%--of any Democrat candidate since Bill Clinton managed to get 44% in 1996. John Kerry (2004) and Al Gore (2000) managed just 41% and 42% respectively. Obama won 39% of ALL the white vote in 2012
Below from: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/upshot/why-trump-won-working-class-whites.html
The truth was that Democrats were far more dependent on white working-class ("Bubba") voters than many believed.
In the end, the bastions of industrial-era Democratic strength among white working-class voters fell to Mr. Trump. So did many of the areas where Mr. Obama fared best in 2008 and 2012. In the end, the linchpin of Mr. Obama’s winning coalition broke hard to the Republicans.
The Wyoming River Valley of Pennsylvania — which includes Scranton and Wilkes-Barre — voted for Mr. Trump. It had voted for Mr. Obama by double digits.
Youngstown, Ohio, where Mr. Obama won by more than 20 points in 2012, was basically a draw. Mr. Trump swept the string of traditionally Democratic and old industrial towns along Lake Erie. Counties that supported Mr. Obama in 2012 voted for Mr. Trump by 20 points.
Hillary also COULD NOT generate the excitement and buzz that Obama created with voters in 2008 and 2012.
Obama Re-Election rally, Sept. 2012, Madison WI. Look at that fucking crowd!
Trump is now our so-called President because he 'won' the slave era electoral college NOT the popular vote that he lost by millions.
Look at the three states below which gave Trump the electoral college victory.
In each State Trump won the vote by less than 1%
How stupid do you have to feel if you wasted your vote on the Green party or Libertarian party because you "didn't like" Hillary??????
Trump got a total of 62,985,106 votes nationwide 45.9%
Hillary got a total of 65,953,625 votes nationwide 48.1%
Barack Obama in 2008 when the U.S. population was smaller got 69,498,516 votes 52.9%
Too many voters are just stupid.
Trump exploited their ignorance
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Drumpf's Moronic "They-Killing-Themselves-With-Heroin Opioids & Meth" Voters
Originally posted by Muckraker10021 on Nov 16, 2016
Hillary lost because she had NO compelling message; all she did was point at Trump and say, I'm not him, vote for me.
She also had the baggage of all the 25 years of Billary drama. Bill's sexual escapades, the self-enriching machinations of the Clinton Foundation, her duplicitous neo-liberal Wall St. friendly financial policies, her extremely late opposition to the TPP and acknowledgement that NAFTA destroyed millions of peoples lives. Voter suppression of Black & brown votes also hurt her; in North Carolina the Black vote was down 8% from 2012 levels. All of the above was not enough to cause her to lose the POTUS if she had carried the white blue collar vote in the key states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin & Michigan that Obama won twice.
The voters that the Hillary made NO attempt to reach, rejecting the advice of her husband (total stupidity) were the white male voters (so-called blue collar) who have lost their manufacturing jobs over the past 20 years due to corporate greed and globalization. You have $$$$$ profitable companies sending factories overseas for one reason only — they can make even more money because the foreign workers make $10 dollars per day instead of $20 bucks an hour.
The Democrats have to reach these blue collar white male voters. Obama won a plurality of their vote in 2008 and 2012.
Hillary lost them anywhere from 12% to 34% to Trump. In Michigan 90,000 voters voted for everyone except Hillary. They left her box blank and they DID NOT vote for Trump.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/watch-michael-moore-drops-some-hard-truths-about-how-democrats-have-ignored-the-midwest/
The blue-collar "Bubba" vote DID NOT majority vote for McCain or RMoney, they went for a Black guy named Barack Hussein Obama. Bill Clinton also won the "Bubba" vote in 1992 and 1996. Jesse Jackson won the "Bubba" vote when he ran in the Democratic party primaries in the 1980's. Guys making base hourly pay of $15 to $50 an hour should not be voting 66% for RepubliKlans as they do when a Democratic candidate literally ignores them as Hillary did. "Bubba's" are called Reagan democrats for a reason; they are traditionally Democratic voters from union households. They got conned by RayGun in 1980 and voted for him, who then decimated unions nationwide. Then reich-wing RepubliKlan talk radio & FOX FAKE news started in the 1990's (Rush, Savage, Levine, Hannity, O'Really, etc.) and the 24/7 Joseph Goebbels style propaganda broadcast began. The Democratic party had no effective response to the 24/7 digital brownshirts that the RepubliKlan unleashed. They had no spine, no backbone; they were afraid to even call the digital brownshits like Rush, O'Really, etc. the fucking liars that they were. Remember when on FAKE it used to be Hannity & Colmes and Colmes who was supposed to be the Democrat surrogate just sat there like an idiot as Hannity spewed out demonstrably false lie after lie. That whole thing was a premeditated set up by FAKE boss Roger Ailes to make Liberals look like buffoons. Colmes made millions. When they didn't need him anymore they cut him from the program. So to sum up, Democrats should compete for the "Bubba" vote, not just give it to the RepubliKlans. If Bernie Sanders was the Democratic candidate, he would of carried the "Bubba" vote in a landslide.
In 2008 Obama received 43% of the total white vote. Obama got the highest percentage of ALL white votes--43%--of any Democrat candidate since Bill Clinton managed to get 44% in 1996. John Kerry (2004) and Al Gore (2000) managed just 41% and 42% respectively. Obama won 39% of ALL the white vote in 2012
Below from: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/upshot/why-trump-won-working-class-whites.html
The truth was that Democrats were far more dependent on white working-class ("Bubba") voters than many believed.
In the end, the bastions of industrial-era Democratic strength among white working-class voters fell to Mr. Trump. So did many of the areas where Mr. Obama fared best in 2008 and 2012. In the end, the linchpin of Mr. Obama’s winning coalition broke hard to the Republicans.
The Wyoming River Valley of Pennsylvania — which includes Scranton and Wilkes-Barre — voted for Mr. Trump. It had voted for Mr. Obama by double digits.
Youngstown, Ohio, where Mr. Obama won by more than 20 points in 2012, was basically a draw. Mr. Trump swept the string of traditionally Democratic and old industrial towns along Lake Erie. Counties that supported Mr. Obama in 2012 voted for Mr. Trump by 20 points.
Hillary also COULD NOT generate the excitement and buzz that Obama created with voters in 2008 and 2012.
Obama Re-Election rally, Sept. 2012, Madison WI. Look at that fucking crowd!
Trump is now our so-called President because he 'won' the slave era electoral college NOT the popular vote that he lost by millions.
Look at the three states below which gave Trump the electoral college victory.
In each State Trump won the vote by less than 1%
How stupid do you have to feel if you wasted your vote on the Green party or Libertarian party because you "didn't like" Hillary??????
Trump got a total of 62,985,106 votes nationwide 45.9%
Hillary got a total of 65,953,625 votes nationwide 48.1%
Barack Obama in 2008 when the U.S. population was smaller got 69,498,516 votes 52.9%
Too many voters are just stupid.
Trump exploited their ignorance
Drumpf's Moronic "They-Killing-Themselves-With-Heroin Opioids & Meth" Voters
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And there’s a reason Republicans were praying Bernie won. They have 30 years of shit on Bernie waiting to unleash it, in case Dems are dumb enough to nominate him. Bernie has never been attacked from the left or right.
Just the fact he said on camera that he was going to raise everyone’s taxes ended his campaign.
For the Democratic party uppermost shot callers (F.D.R.) Franklin Delano Roosevelt ‘liberalism’ has been long been replaced by neo-liberalism, authoritarianism and fealty to moneyed elites— corporatism. The “Democratic Party” of John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, and Lyndon B. Johnson is long dead. The hollow shell that remains that insist on maintaining the moniker “Democratic Party” is currently led overwhelmingly by politicos who bow at the altar of authoritarianism — corporate power.
Current “Democratic” leaders give speeches that contain echoes of prior “Democratic Party” leaders like J.F.K. principled defense of liberal values
— But today's speeches are just vacuous homilies dispensed to the party’s base voters like catnip as the candidate speeds to another closed door fund raiser with millionaires and billionaires. Joe Biden is most comfortable in these corporatism country clubs who gave us Democratic leaders and consiglieres like the “Billary Clintons”, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, Jon Corzine, Michael Bloomberg, et al.
These people and other “democrats?” that if you follow politics you can easily name, are horrified at the prospect of a Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and other prospective candidates that share their true progressive values about how to rescue AmeriKKKa from neo-fascism of Trump.
These corporate democrats don’t want any radical change in the status quo. They want to keep their preferential 15% wall st. taxation rate on their paper trading profits. They were all opposed to the $15 a hour minimum wage, until they were dragged kicking and screaming there by base democratic voters. None of the corporatist democrats spoke out against the ending of net-neutrality rules that Trump passed. None of them are for the restoration of free college tuition at State Universities for qualified students which was normal from the end of WW2 till the 1970’s. Look up the list of famous notable Americans from politics and all fields who graduated from the State of California University system and the State of New York University system including New York City university system; people like Colin Powell, Henry Kissinger and thousands more who graduated college with NO debt.
The corporate centrist Democrats including reprehensible Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel have derided the majority of the “Democratic Party” base voters, the most loyal supporters who call themselves liberals and progressives — Rahm calls them all “fucking retarded” — http://tinyurl.com/zwh5vmx
Hillary was the embodiment of these “corporate democrats” and is a close friend of Emanuel and embodies his values and disdain for non-low information “Democratic” base voters who overwhelmingly support non-corporate candidates like Senator Sanders or Senator Warren. Thanks to the SCOTUS Citizens United decision our politics are ruled by unlimited amounts of money; whose origins are legally allowed to be secret “Dark Money”. If this reality is not abruptly halted it will destroy what is left of liberalism in America and turn the U.S.A. into a total corporate controlled plutocracy. These are the people Joe Biden is riding or dying with.
A Biden candidacy is Hillary Clinton 2.0, a redux 2016 candidate, with all of it's loooosing tactics. How soon Democratic party shotcallers forget why they lost to con-man sociopath Drumpf
Originally posted by Muckraker10021 on Nov 16, 2016
Hillary lost because she had NO compelling message; all she did was point at Trump and say, I'm not him, vote for me.
She also had the baggage of all the 25 years of Billary drama. Bill's sexual escapades, the self-enriching machinations of the Clinton Foundation, her duplicitous neo-liberal Wall St. friendly financial policies, her extremely late opposition to the TPP and acknowledgement that NAFTA destroyed millions of peoples lives. Voter suppression of Black & brown votes also hurt her; in North Carolina the Black vote was down 8% from 2012 levels. All of the above was not enough to cause her to lose the POTUS if she had carried the white blue collar vote in the key states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin & Michigan that Obama won twice.
The voters that the Hillary made NO attempt to reach, rejecting the advice of her husband (total stupidity) were the white male voters (so-called blue collar) who have lost their manufacturing jobs over the past 20 years due to corporate greed and globalization. You have $$$$$ profitable companies sending factories overseas for one reason only — they can make even more money because the foreign workers make $10 dollars per day instead of $20 bucks an hour.
The Democrats have to reach these blue collar white male voters. Obama won a plurality of their vote in 2008 and 2012.
Hillary lost them anywhere from 12% to 34% to Trump. In Michigan 90,000 voters voted for everyone except Hillary. They left her box blank and they DID NOT vote for Trump.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/watch-michael-moore-drops-some-hard-truths-about-how-democrats-have-ignored-the-midwest/
The blue-collar "Bubba" vote DID NOT majority vote for McCain or RMoney, they went for a Black guy named Barack Hussein Obama. Bill Clinton also won the "Bubba" vote in 1992 and 1996. Jesse Jackson won the "Bubba" vote when he ran in the Democratic party primaries in the 1980's. Guys making base hourly pay of $15 to $50 an hour should not be voting 66% for RepubliKlans as they do when a Democratic candidate literally ignores them as Hillary did. "Bubba's" are called Reagan democrats for a reason; they are traditionally Democratic voters from union households. They got conned by RayGun in 1980 and voted for him, who then decimated unions nationwide. Then reich-wing RepubliKlan talk radio & FOX FAKE news started in the 1990's (Rush, Savage, Levine, Hannity, O'Really, etc.) and the 24/7 Joseph Goebbels style propaganda broadcast began. The Democratic party had no effective response to the 24/7 digital brownshirts that the RepubliKlan unleashed. They had no spine, no backbone; they were afraid to even call the digital brownshits like Rush, O'Really, etc. the fucking liars that they were. Remember when on FAKE it used to be Hannity & Colmes and Colmes who was supposed to be the Democrat surrogate just sat there like an idiot as Hannity spewed out demonstrably false lie after lie. That whole thing was a premeditated set up by FAKE boss Roger Ailes to make Liberals look like buffoons. Colmes made millions. When they didn't need him anymore they cut him from the program. So to sum up, Democrats should compete for the "Bubba" vote, not just give it to the RepubliKlans. If Bernie Sanders was the Democratic candidate, he would of carried the "Bubba" vote in a landslide.
In 2008 Obama received 43% of the total white vote. Obama got the highest percentage of ALL white votes--43%--of any Democrat candidate since Bill Clinton managed to get 44% in 1996. John Kerry (2004) and Al Gore (2000) managed just 41% and 42% respectively. Obama won 39% of ALL the white vote in 2012
Below from: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/upshot/why-trump-won-working-class-whites.html
The truth was that Democrats were far more dependent on white working-class ("Bubba") voters than many believed.
In the end, the bastions of industrial-era Democratic strength among white working-class voters fell to Mr. Trump. So did many of the areas where Mr. Obama fared best in 2008 and 2012. In the end, the linchpin of Mr. Obama’s winning coalition broke hard to the Republicans.
The Wyoming River Valley of Pennsylvania — which includes Scranton and Wilkes-Barre — voted for Mr. Trump. It had voted for Mr. Obama by double digits.
Youngstown, Ohio, where Mr. Obama won by more than 20 points in 2012, was basically a draw. Mr. Trump swept the string of traditionally Democratic and old industrial towns along Lake Erie. Counties that supported Mr. Obama in 2012 voted for Mr. Trump by 20 points.
Hillary also COULD NOT generate the excitement and buzz that Obama created with voters in 2008 and 2012.
Obama Re-Election rally, Sept. 2012, Madison WI. Look at that fucking crowd!
Trump is now our so-called President because he 'won' the slave era electoral college NOT the popular vote that he lost by millions.
Look at the three states below which gave Trump the electoral college victory.
In each State Trump won the vote by less than 1%
How stupid do you have to feel if you wasted your vote on the Green party or Libertarian party because you "didn't like" Hillary??????
Trump got a total of 62,985,106 votes nationwide 45.9%
Hillary got a total of 65,953,625 votes nationwide 48.1%
Barack Obama in 2008 when the U.S. population was smaller got 69,498,516 votes 52.9%
Too many voters are just stupid.
Trump exploited their ignorance
Drumpf's Moronic "They-Killing-Themselves-With-Heroin Opioids & Meth" Voters
I normally agree and cosign your political
posts but this one, I cant.
My personal belief is, Biden is so
high in polling because he was Obama's
right hand man and MOST people in the
country liked the way they ran things.
Biden is very popular right now so I see
no reason to not back him.
Who else you got in mind... Bernie?
Warren?
I want whoever can take on trump, toe
to toe... whomever that may be.
Why so much hate for @Rembrandt Brown ? Dude makes interesting/thoughtful posts... can't sit around agreeing with each other all day lol
I think the socialism scare thing is mostly played out at this point tbh. The flagship policies he's pushing actually poll really well throughout the States last I checked. Also, you're looking for ideological consistency from "heartland" folks who elected a billionaire conman, serial philanderer from New York bc he tickled all their racist bones. There was an obvious interest in a more a populist approach tho... it's just that the uglier version won out once Dems trotted out the establishment-incarnate candidate.
@muckraker10021 I've been calling Biden the T1000 version of Hillary... he has all the same problems she did packaged into a slightly more charming drunk uncle persona. Not the move
Yeah somebody is wearing the hell out of it.
The thing is the democrats dont need a perfect candidate. Maybe Biden is not the perfect candidate but pollings indicate he's not the only candidate that's polling higher than Trump.
Trump`s numbers are not favorable for reelection, his numbers are down and dont forget he would not have won the last election without outside help from Russia.
Meaning whoever gets the nomination isn't as important as Democratic voters showing up to vote Trump out. All Trump has is his base. He has not gained favor with any other demographic.
Trump`s numbers are not favorable for reelection, his numbers are down and dont forget he would not have won the last election without outside help from Russia.
Meaning whoever gets the nomination isn't as important as Democratic voters showing up to vote Trump out. All Trump has is his base. He has not gained favor with any other demographic.
This is sad but true. So many women went for Trump simply because many women don't support women. I actually heard a woman criticize Hilary for staying with Bill. I knew she was in trouble then. I heard another say a Woman just can't do that job. This sounds crazy until you look at the big picture concerning Women. A woman once told me she was naturally deceptive and inferior to men. I asked where did she get that from and she said the Bible
America is fucked in the head in a major way.
I keep telling you when it comes to trump don’t trust polls. Trump has a lot of secret supporters that why he won the last election when Hilary looks like she had it in the bag. Polls mean shit at his point.
I'd rather vote for the man who was responsible for negatively affecting millions of Black lives than Trump.
#jimcrowJoe 2020 and beyond
#jimcrowJoe 2020 and beyond
Thats your king?
Funny his Chinese ass doesnt call Japanese, or blacks, or Latinos "Our"
So what?
Democrats were praying Republicans would be stupid enough to make Trump their nominee. Shit doesn’t turn out the way you expect based on assumptions, especially when you underestimate how powerful a populist from the left can be.
WTF?? The one thing I like about the current status is not paying this.
Why does he want to bring the fee back??
I expect Biden will have a 'correction' to what he really meant. Because other candidates want a medicare for all. This, again, shows how out of touch the man is.
Why does he want to bring the fee back??
I expect Biden will have a 'correction' to what he really meant. Because other candidates want a medicare for all. This, again, shows how out of touch the man is.
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1. I don't know if you noticed, but white older males are not the standard of excellence/competence/achievement. Joe looked bad on stage at the debate vs. all the youth around him.
It's old school thinking that sees him as the only 1 to go strong vs. Trump. Trump will shrink like a violet vs. Harris or Warren in a debate.
4. His relationships with GOP didn't do squat during the Obama years. GOP had all initiatives to get out of recession ON LOCK after the 1st 2 years he was in office. Obama had to show how EVERYTHING was paid for. And the sequester imposed by Congress chopped $$$ from every area of government.
Cenk's kickable face distracts me...
Lol @ you.
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