Bhutto has been assassinated.

clearly the risks she took to try to gain power was foolish....
...This woman had attempts on her life before and barely had adequate security....

This woman cared only enough to line her pockets and with the US she saw an opportunity to exploit what was left of that country. Musharraf may not have been the greatest there but, for honourable motives or just to maintain his position, he is trying to straighten up a little.

This woman was hit with bribery and corruption charges, exiled from the country, chose to go back, told that there would be attempts on her life, and still went back.

I hate to see loss of life as much as I hate to see ignorance on this board about important government changing/regime changing issues, but honestly it was this woman's greed that put her in harm's way.

Sad thing is now retaliations are likely to start and the number of people to be killed over this is just gonna sky rocket.
 
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ditto
 
This assassination has only come at the worse time possible. With elections taking place there in January and one of the main candidates murdered, this will only make the region unstable especially with talks with India about the Kashmir province and also with afghanistan in the north.
 
i'm hearing alot of negative views towards bhutto and i just wanna know if this is from personal knowledge or from things that have been reported on in the media?
 
man some of you cats know more about world affairs than some of my former classmates at PolySci :smh:
i was talking on the phone with one of them a little earlier about this and dude was so blunt about the silver lining of all this :hmm:
great thread folks, another demontration of why bgol is so unique
 
appearances can be deceiving that bitch was as corrupt as musharraf

Musharaf and the military leaders killed that bitch. Bush sent her over there as if Musharraf's crew was going to allow her to steal their nation back. GTFOH Bush and the neocons have the most fuckin ludicrous designs on foreign policy. Total fuckery. They want to rob the world blind but forgot the part where you pretend to be helping people.

Killing her is Musharraf telling Bush to go fuck himself.

WTF does Bush have to do with this shit? Every thing is fucking Bush. You think the attempts on her life when she was president way before Bush was Bush's faults also? You think because she left the country and went into exile those people had given up trying to kill her.

The woman was a courageous woman and wanted to serve her people. She lived and died for what she believed. Stop tainted her legacy with the Bush crap.
 
i'm hearing alot of negative views towards bhutto and i just wanna know if this is from personal knowledge or from things that have been reported on in the media?

Never been to Pakistan, don't want to go to that shithole of a country. But I believe in being informed and learning about people of the world. I also believe firmly that from history we can learn today's politics. I've just followed her career from before her first election as president. And I knew about her father's dictatorship. I may be wrong, but I think he was hung.
 
The first of three attempts to end her life happend only hours after she returned about 2 months back. This was no surprise to no one.

Your life was in danger if you hung with or around her. She was targeted for TERMINATION and everyone knew it!!!
 
i'm hearing alot of negative views towards bhutto and i just wanna know if this is from personal knowledge or from things that have been reported on in the media?

you decide for yourself homie...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

and for all those people saying how they would never allow a woman to run their country...well she did, she got elected but was removed as it states on the wiki article
 
Never been to Pakistan, don't want to go to that shithole of a country. But I believe in being informed and learning about people of the world. I also believe firmly that from history we can learn today's politics. I've just followed her career from before her first election as president. And I knew about her father's dictatorship. I may be wrong, but I think he was hung.

i hadnt heard too much about her until after she was exiled and the media painted her as someone who was loved by her people, so i paid attention whenever there was anything on her in the news. plus, i liked the fact that even though she knew people wanted her dead, she still wouldnt stop speaking. now, i hear all these people saying she was greedy and a crook, which seems contradictory to her actions after she came back from exile. a greedy person doesnt put their life on the line to insure her people have free elections, but since im not well versed on her history, i would like to hear the more knowledgeable brothers take on how she was so corrupt. (backed up with fact, of course)
 
Saw a story of her on 60 mins a couple of months ago......Said to myself it wont be long before they take her out......R.I.P.
 
no disespect to that woman since she's dead but she was shady
we're on bgol so let me tell you that it has ben reported in certain circles that in 1990, she threw some pussy to F. Mitterrand the french president who was in a visit in Pakistan, to push him to sell to her country a second nuclear plant... and since F. Mitterand was a well known sex fiend...
on another hand, B. Bhutto's husband which she appointed at the head of the State Investment Ministry earned himself the nickname "Mr 10%" the percentage he cut for himself for any financial ruling he had to make
i won't even get on how she never proceed to any agrarian reform during her tenure as PM, but she kept buying for herself and her family land after land in the rural areas...
anyway let's see how things will unfold from here in that part of the world, but it's not looking good at all
 
+ Sonia Ghandi

errm SONIA has never been a PRIME MINISTER due to the complexities of Indian poltics whic hare dominated by the right wing BKP who are very skeptical of SONIAs foreign birth

she is Italian born and took Indian citizenship in early 1980's
 
U.S. backed murder????

'Surge' Of US Special Forces Expected In Pakistan In Early 2008

In the wake of the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, a 'surge' of US Special Forces for Pakistan's remote tribal lands is unlikely to face heavy opposition from President Musharraf, who will be busy trying to stop his own name, and that of his political party, from being linked with Bhutto's assassins.

The shock of Bhutto's death, so close to the January 8 elections which were tipped to see her elected prime minister, is also likely to lessen public opposition to the increase of US troops inside Pakistan.

This report, published today in The Australian newspaper, appeared on the Murdoch media portal news.com.au within half an hour of the confirmation of the announcement of Bhutto's death (excerpts) :

US Special Forces are to increase their presence in Pakistan amid assessments that the country is to become the central battlefield for al-Qaida as it is driven from Iraq.

"Pakistan should be carefully watched because it could prove to be a significant flashpoint in the coming year," US think tank Strategic Forecasting said in an evaluation of al-Qaida's tactics as the Islamist group comes under mounting pressure in Iraq.

With the "rapid spread of Talibanisation" in Pakistan's insurgent northwest, the country would become "especially important if the trend in Iraq continues to go against the jihadis and they are driven from Iraq", the assessment said.

"As the global headquarters for the al-Qaida leadership, Pakistan has long been a significant stronghold on the ideological battlefield."

The Stratfor assessment coincided with reports from Washington suggesting US Special Forces would expand their presence in Pakistan in the new year.

The boost in US forces was part of an effort to train and support Pakistan's army in its fight to stem the al-Qaida and Taliban-linked insurgency.

The Washington reports reflected Pentagon frustration with the Pakistani counter-insurgency effort, and said the head of the US Special Operations Command, Admiral Eric T. Olson, had made a series of visits to the country for discussions with senior military leaders.

"The first US (Special Forces) personnel could be on the ground in Pakistan early in the new year", the report said.

US Central Command chief Admiral William Fallon said the US forces would provide training and mentoring based on the US experience with the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan.

...the US reports coincided with the disclosure of an ambitious 15-year "anti-terror investment plan" for Pakistan that has been high on the agenda of US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte in recent visits to Islamabad.


They are going to be tryin to send yall to fuckin Pakistan now to fight "Al Qaeda". :no:
 
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Yall are smoking crack. That bitch didnt give a fuck about anyone but herself. She didnt return to build a better Pakistan. She returned to try a power grab with US backing. That bitch bled Pakistan dry when she ran it. Mother Theresa she was not.
Courageous? :smh: Yall are wylin out. Was Fujimori courageous too? She was worse than him.

Charges of corruption




French, Polish, Spanish and Swiss documents have fueled the charges of corruption against Bhutto and her husband. Bhutto and her husband faced a number of legal proceedings, including a charge of laundering money through Swiss banks. Her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, spent eight years in prison on similar corruption charges. Zardari, released from jail in 2004, has suggested that his time in prison involved torture; human rights groups have supported his claim that his rights were violated.[14]

A 1998 New York Times investigative report[15] indicates that Pakistani investigators have documents that uncover a network of bank accounts, all linked to the family's lawyer in Switzerland, with Asif Zardari as the principal shareholder. According to the article, documents released by the French authorities indicated that Zardari offered exclusive rights to Dassault, a French aircraft manufacturer, to replace the air force's fighter jets in exchange for a 5% commission to be paid to a Swiss corporation controlled by Zardari. The article also said a Dubai company received an exclusive license to import gold into Pakistan for which Asif Zardari received payments of more than $10M into his Dubai-based Citibank accounts. The owner of the company denied that he had made payments to Zardari and claims the documents were forged.

Bhutto maintained that the charges leveled against her and her husband were purely political.[16][17] "Most of those documents are fabricated," she said, "and the stories that have been spun around them are absolutely wrong." An Auditor General of Pakistan (AGP) report supports Bhutto's claim. It presents information suggesting that Benazir Bhutto was ousted from power in 1990 as a result of a witch hunt approved by then-president Ghulam Ishaq Khan. The AGP report says Khan illegally paid legal advisers 28 million Rupees to file 19 corruption cases against Bhutto and her husband in 1990-92.[18]

The assets held by Bhutto and her husband have been scrutinized. The prosecutors have alleged that their Swiss bank accounts contain ÂŁ740 million.[19] Zardari also bought a neo-Tudor mansion and estate worth over ÂŁ4 million in Surrey, England, UK.[20][21] The Pakistani investigations have tied other overseas properties to Zardari's family. These include a $2.5 million manor in Normandy owned by Zardari's parents, who had modest assets at the time of his marriage.[15] Bhutto denied holding substantive overseas assets.


Bhutto and her husband until recently continued to face wide-ranging charges of official corruption in connection with hundreds of millions of dollars of "commissions" on government contracts and tenders. But because of a power-sharing deal brokered in October 2007 between Bhutto and Musharraf, she and her husband had been granted amnesty.[19] If it stands, this development could trigger a number of Swiss banks to 'unlock' accounts that were frozen in the late 1990s.[15][19] The executive order could in principle be challenged by the judiciary, although the judiciary's future was uncertain due to the same recent developments.

Switzerland

On 23 July 1998, the Swiss Government handed over documents to the government of Pakistan which relate to corruption allegations against Benazir Bhutto and her husband.[22] The documents included a formal charge of money laundering by Swiss authorities against Zardari. The Pakistani government had been conducting a wide-ranging inquiry to account for more than $13.7 million frozen by Swiss authorities in 1997 that was allegedly stashed in banks by Bhutto and her husband. The Pakistani government recently filed criminal charges against Bhutto in an effort to track down an estimated $1.5 billion she and her husband are alleged to have received in a variety of criminal enterprises.[23] The documents suggest that the money Zardari was alleged to have laundered was accessible to Benazir Bhutto and had been used to buy a diamond necklace for over $175,000.[24]

The PPP has responded by flatly denying the charges, suggesting that Swiss authorities have been misled by false evidence provided by Islamabad.

On 6 August 2003, Swiss magistrates found Bhutto and her husband guilty of money laundering.[25] They were given six-month suspended jail terms, fined $50,000 each and were ordered to pay $11 million to the Pakistani government. The six-year trial concluded that Bhutto and Zardari deposited in Swiss accounts $10 million given to them by a Swiss company in exchange for a contract in Pakistan. The couple said they would appeal. The Pakistani investigators say Zardari opened a Citibank account in Geneva in 1995 through which they say he passed some $40 million of the $100 million he received in payoffs from foreign companies doing business in Pakistan.[26]


In October 2007, Daniel Zappelli, chief prosecutor of the canton of Geneva, said he received the conclusions of a money laundering investigation against former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto on Monday, but it was unclear whether there would be any further legal action against her in Switzerland. [27]

Poland

The Polish Government has given Pakistan 500 pages of documentation relating to corruption allegations against Benazir Bhutto and her husband. These charges are in regard to the purchase of 8,000 tractors in a 1997 deal.[28][29] According to Pakistani officials, the Polish papers contain details of illegal commissions paid by the tractor company in return for agreeing to their contract.[30] It was alleged that the arrangement "skimmed" Rs 103 mn rupees ($2 million) in kickbacks.[31] "The documentary evidence received from Poland confirms the scheme of kickbacks laid out by Asif Zardari and Benazir Bhutto in the name of (the) launching of Awami tractor scheme," APP said. Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari allegedly received a 7.15 percent commission on the purchase through their front men, Jens Schlegelmilch and Didier Plantin of Dargal S.A., who received about $1.969 million for supplying 5,900 Ursus Tractors.[32]

France

Potentially the most lucrative deal alleged in the documents involved the effort by Dassault Aviation, a French military contractor. French authorities indicated in 1998 that Bhutto's husband, Zardari, offered exclusive rights to Dassault to replace the air force’s fighter jets in exchange for a five percent commission to be paid to a corporation in Switzerland controlled by Zardari.[33]

At the time, French corruption laws forbade bribery of French officials but permitted payoffs to foreign officials, and even made the payoffs tax-deductible in France. However, France changed this law in 2000. [34]

Western Asia

In the largest single payment investigators have discovered, a gold bullion dealer in the Western Asia was alleged to have deposited at least $10 million into one of Zardari's accounts after the Bhutto government gave him a monopoly on gold imports that sustained Pakistan's jewellery industry. The money was allegedly deposited into Zardari's Citibank account in Dubai.

Pakistan's Arabian Sea coast, stretching from Karachi to the border with Iran, has long been a gold smugglers' haven. Until the beginning of Bhutto's second term, the trade, running into hundreds of millions of dollars a year, was unregulated, with slivers of gold called biscuits, and larger weights in bullion, carried on planes and boats that travel between the Persian Gulf and the largely unguarded Pakistani coast.

Shortly after Bhutto returned as prime minister in 1993, a Pakistani bullion trader in Dubai, Abdul Razzak Yaqub, proposed a deal: in return for the exclusive right to import gold, Razzak would help the government regularize the trade. In November 1994, Pakistan's Commerce Ministry wrote to Razzak informing him that he had been granted a license that made him, for at least the next two years, Pakistan's sole authorized gold importer. In an interview in his office in Dubai, Razzak acknowledged that he had used the license to import more than $500 million in gold into Pakistan, and that he had travelled to Islamabad several times to meet with Bhutto and Zardari. But he denied that there had been any corruption or secret deals. "I have not paid a single cent to Zardari," he said.

Razzak claims that someone in Pakistan who wished to destroy his reputation had contrived to have his company wrongly identified as the depositor. "Somebody in the bank has cooperated with my enemies to make false documents," he said
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto#Charges_of_corruption
 
WTF does Bush have to do with this shit? Every thing is fucking Bush. You think the attempts on her life when she was president way before Bush was Bush's faults also? You think because she left the country and went into exile those people had given up trying to kill her.
Learn how to read. She went back to Pakistan only because of assurances from the US State Dept.

Official: U.S. forced Pakistan to allow Bhutto back


Did I say the attempts on her life were due to Bush brainiac? No. Many people wanted her dead. Who had the most to gain from her death? Musharaff and Taliban types. Who oversaw her security? Musharaff.

Why would Bush want the bitch he slid in to try to be his puppet want her dead?
I guess he could have wanted to give Musharaff and Friends a reason to clamp down on fundamentalists and stay dictator longer and this is the perfect environment for that. I think he wanted a more western thinking person controlling Pakistan.



The woman was a courageous woman and wanted to serve her people. She lived and died for what she believed. Stop tainted her legacy with the Bush crap.

That bitch wanted to serve her pockets. Yup she lived and died trying to be a political hack. Her legacy was tainted way before this dipshit.
 
i hadnt heard too much about her until after she was exiled and the media painted her as someone who was loved by her people, so i paid attention whenever there was anything on her in the news. plus, i liked the fact that even though she knew people wanted her dead, she still wouldnt stop speaking. now, i hear all these people saying she was greedy and a crook, which seems contradictory to her actions after she came back from exile. a greedy person doesnt put their life on the line to insure her people have free elections, but since im not well versed on her history, i would like to hear the more knowledgeable brothers take on how she was so corrupt. (backed up with fact, of course)

You bought in to the propaganda. She didn't come back to setup free elections that SHE wouldnt be running in. Get it?

Read up. There are plenty of links and info in this thread.
 
Learn how to read. She went back to Pakistan only because of assurances from the US State Dept.

Official: U.S. forced Pakistan to allow Bhutto back


Did I say the attempts on her life were due to Bush brainiac? No. Many people wanted her dead. Who had the most to gain from her death? Musharaff and Taliban types. Who oversaw her security? Musharaff.

Why would Bush want the bitch he slid in to try to be his puppet want her dead?
I guess he could have wanted to give Musharaff and Friends a reason to clamp down on fundamentalists and stay dictator longer and this is the perfect environment for that. I think he wanted a more western thinking person controlling Pakistan.





That bitch wanted to serve her pockets. Yup she lived and died trying to be a political hack. Her legacy was tainted way before this dipshit.

People dont' want to hear that Makk. The media propped her up like some kind of angel before and after her return. I've never seen CNN give this much coverage to the assassination of a political figure in another country before. They even show her picture with 1953 - 2007 and the sad ass music. No mention of her previous corruption.

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who the fuck is bhutto? who the fuck cares?.

Ah YES, another "ignant ass negroe", hey fam you need to leave the "little box" you live in and get to know the WORLD which you live.


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Let me put it this way. You know that "little war" in Afghanistan? it just got a whole lot complicated. Pakistan and India are both enemies of each other and NUCLEAR power states, if the RADICALS succeed in CONTROLLING Pakistan with a nuclear arnenal at their disposal, you can KISS your black ass good bye :hmm: ........nuff said!

Bhutto was PAKISTAN hope for a MODERN transition into a new dawn/her dead today will mark a step back for PEACE and tranquility in that REGION. RADICAL islam has "won" another round.


Here's the CNN VIDEO link:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/pakistan.bhutto/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

Damn, this shit is crazy. She was a tough woman, she new the risk of returning to her country and yet she came back anyways! Props to her and her family, her destiny was NOT fulfilled.:smh:
 
You bought in to the propaganda. She didn't come back to setup free elections that SHE wouldnt be running in. Get it?

Read up. There are plenty of links and info in this thread.

been checking those out, and asking different opinions. some folks believe that those corruption charges were trumped up to get her out of office, while others say she was doing no different than most politicians but was overly scrutinized because she was female. i would like to find one of her books to get a better idea of who she was. :yes:
 

Ah YES, another "ignant ass negroe", hey fam you need to leave the "little box" you live in and get to know the WORLD which you live.


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Let me put it this way. You know that "little war" in Afghanistan? it just got a whole lot complicated. Pakistan and India are both enemies of each other and NUCLEAR power states, if the RADICALS succeed in CONTROLLING Pakistan with a nuclear arnenal at their disposal, you can KISS your black ass good bye :hmm: ........nuff said!

Bhutto was PAKISTAN hope for a MODERN transition into a new dawn/her dead today will mark a step back for PEACE and tranquility in that REGION. RADICAL islam has "won" another round.


Here's the CNN VIDEO link:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/pakistan.bhutto/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

Damn, this shit is crazy. She was a tough woman, she new the risk of returning to her country and yet she came back anyways! Props to her and her family, her destiny was NOT fulfilled.:smh:

this was how she was portrayed to me as well, but apparently there are numerous allegations of corruption against her. :smh:
 
People dont' want to hear that Makk. The media propped her up like some kind of angel before and after her return. I've never seen CNN give this much coverage to the assassination of a political figure in another country before. They even show her picture with 1953 - 2007 and the sad ass music. No mention of her previous corruption.

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The amount of coverage was phenomenal. I was waiting for the discussion about all the alleged corruption with her regime..but I guess that wasn't apart of the script.
 
People dont' want to hear that Makk. The media propped her up like some kind of angel before and after her return. I've never seen CNN give this much coverage to the assassination of a political figure in another country before. They even show her picture with 1953 - 2007 and the sad ass music. No mention of her previous corruption.

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CNN is fuckin propaganda. Shit even the news hour on pbs is propaganda too now
 
been checking those out, and asking different opinions. some folks believe that those corruption charges were trumped up to get her out of office, while others say she was doing no different than most politicians but was overly scrutinized because she was female. i would like to find one of her books to get a better idea of who she was. :yes:
so you think the Pakistani Govt trumped up Swiss Govt Money Laundering charges?

believe what you want to
 
The amount of coverage was phenomenal. I was waiting for the discussion about all the alleged corruption with her regime..but I guess that wasn't apart of the script.
man you know better than that
I guarantee you the producers go over shit like that with a govt official before hand.

I cut that trash off after 5 minutes since it was just the same shit over and over and over. No substance. CNN-I was better but not much
 
so you think the Pakistani Govt trumped up Swiss Govt Money Laundering charges?

believe what you want to

im just getting both sides and trying to be objective about a topic im genuinely interested in. as far as im concerned it's all propaganda and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. :hmm:
 
CNN bitch ask if we should have a US presence in Pakistan. Brace yourselves and families. I'm not playing. This will only get worse.
 
man you know better than that
I guarantee you the producers go over shit like that with a govt official before hand.

I cut that trash off after 5 minutes since it was just the same shit over and over and over. No substance. CNN-I was better but not much

Yeah..it was weak 'analysis'...pretty much just running the same loop over and over again and then talking about a loss for democracy, etc etc... but seems like journalists and reporters don't are not advised to ask the hard-hitting questions...
 
Yeah..it was weak 'analysis'...pretty much just running the same loop over and over again and then talking about a loss for democracy, etc etc... but seems like journalists and reporters don't are not advised to ask the hard-hitting questions...
the shit aint journalism - its entertainment or just str8 up propaganda

do you really think many of the more learned reporters dont know the difference between fluff and asking the tough questions? Look at Christani Amanpour. That bitch sold the fuck out. Look at Charlene Hunter Gault - she became invisible.
 
this was how she was portrayed to me as well, but apparently there are numerous allegations of corruption against her. :smh:

Ish HAPPENS, that does not MEANS she was "not qualify" for the leadership position. It was a simple choice, Bhutto or Musharraf? Long term........I'll take the non RADICAL approach here fam
 
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