Why...why is this always funny?
Can someone get the people who write this a 3 picture deal? I was more entertained in 4 min then the entirety of some 3 hour blockbusters.
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BGOL review .. BATMAN V SUPERMAN... (thoughts, summary, spoilers)
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Why...why is this always funny?
Can someone get the people who write this a 3 picture deal? I was more entertained in 4 min then the entirety of some 3 hour blockbusters.
It crazy,the Hitler video was gone,for a few years and all of a sudden Batman vs Superman brought it back...
Whoever,thought Deadpool would be a light years better than Batman vs Superman,because I know I wasn't....
Whoever,thought Deadpool would be a light years better than Batman vs Superman,because I know I wasn't....
soon as he said " Mein Fuhrer " i was like ...
"Don't worry, Zack Snyder isn't directing the Wonder Woman movie"
I know man... It's always funny. This has been going on for years.
It crazy,the Hitler video was gone,for a few years and all of a sudden Batman vs Superman brought it back...
Whoever,thought Deadpool would be a light years better than Batman vs Superman,because I know I wasn't....
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4.0 out of 5 stars
A Thought-Provoking and Impressive Achievement
By WR--Reckless Traveler on March 28, 2016
I’m a little bit troubled by what I feel to be a lack of legitimate reviews on this movie. There is a very well established network of print and social media where the general public should be able to trust professional and well-educated individuals to share their honest assessment of art, literature and film without promoting a non-related agenda. Art is one of the cornerstones of civilized society, and it’s important that every artist, no matter how big or small, have their contribution judged on its own merits. I has been disturbed to witness the negative social media campaign aimed at Batman v Superman since the film’s production was announced. Most of the criticisms I have read on this film have not been of a scholarly variety, and although I do not think this film is a “masterpiece” by any means, it is not a bad film, in fact I found it very interesting and thought provoking.
If “Batman v Superman” is only worthy of a 29% approval rating on Rottentomatoes.com, why is the viewer assessment of this film sitting at 7.2/10 on IMDB.com? Furthermore, the box office has been tremendous. There are indications that this film has fans, but according to my Facebook news feed, most media sources list this as a “disappointment” or a “train-wreck,” but, again, they do not provide scholarly arguments and rely instead on hysterical generalizations. It’s almost as if these reviews come from media sources that are owned by a corporation that produces its own rival super hero films.
But let’s focus on BvS instead of conspiracies. By far the best part of this movie is Affleck as Batman. There has never been a Batman on screen quite like this. Affleck’s version is the grittiest and nastiest Batman we’ve ever seen. BvS introduces Batman as a figure terrifying to both police and criminals. The first time we see him, he’s hiding from a police officer in a ceiling (very much the physical representation of a bat). When the officer happens to see Batman, he’s so scared that he fires a couple shots as Batman scurries away.
Now, that is a very interesting scene and it establishes the kind of universe we’re dealing with here. In virtually every other Batman film, Batman is an aid to the police. Sometimes they work together directly, sometimes they have a kind of gentleman’s agreement. However, in BvS, Batman is clearly a vigilante that the cops are concerned about.
This is a theme that hasn’t been addressed in other comic book films. Are super heroes actually heroes, or are they entities with too much power that threaten to infringe on civil liberties? I find this question interesting because it has corollaries in real life. Obviously there are no super heroes, but there are entities with power that claim to be “protecting you” while arguably working towards your enslavement. How much leeway do you give entities like that? Do you let them gain power to the point where you’re essentially committing suicide simply by opposing them?
Batman begins to view Superman as a threat. During the course of the film, this assessment is mainly due to the manipulation of Lex Luthor, but it remains a fascinating dynamic. Honestly, in all the negative reviews you’ve read of BvS, how many have complained that Batman wasn’t portrayed as “tough enough” to handle Superman? I’ve actually seen the film, and I think the battle is quite convincing. Both Affleck and Cavill bring an almost super-human physicality to their roles.
Batman comes to view his fight with Superman as his “legacy” fight. He reveals this in a conversation with Alfred, played to perfection by Jeremy Irons. In another discussion with Alfred (these discussions are also a highlight) Batman acknowledges that he and Alfred are “Criminals,” which, to me, makes him a more sympathetic Batman than others we’ve seen. One of the main criticisms of Snyder’s vision of this comic book universe is an apparent willingness for his super heroes to shed the blood of their victims. I attribute this anger to a kind of “innocence fallacy” where these fans think Batman is justified in performing his acts of vigilantism as long as he does so non-lethally. The question becomes: what attacks and defenses is Batman allowed to use to appease this need? A punch to the chest can be a lethal attack, yet most fans are content to watch their superhero smash villains repeatedly. Is the line at breaking the skin? A punch to the face with draw blood from the nose, eyes, and mouth. If a villain attempts to stab Batman, can he turn the knife back on the attacker? Is Batman not allowed to shoot somebody, even if that person is about to kill an innocent party?
There is always a cry to “take comic books more seriously,” to “perceive them as art,” to “perceive them as adult.” That’s fine, but there have been dozens of comic book movies now and sooner or later some filmmaker had to amp up the realism to the point where audiences start to squirm. Snyder has given us a Batman who is aware he is a criminal, but continues on in the name of justice. Why is that an issue? Although this Batman does appear to be willing to kill his enemies, this isn’t overtly portrayed in the movie. Actually, after the backlash to “Man of Steel” there is a lot of dialogue about how certain fights are happening in “uninhabited areas.”
Personally, I find the cartoon nature of the Avengers films to be boring. “Batman V Superman” has a lot more I can sink my teeth into. Yes, there are some problems with this film, I wasn’t a big fan of Jesse Eisenberg’s performance for example. He lacked the physicality of the other leads, and had a propensity for repeating his lines off into silence (blame the director and writers there). Actually there are a couple little narrative quirks like that which plague the film. Dream sequences are used too frequently. The first scene of Wayne being lifted up by bats is a divergence from the realism Snyder is otherwise determinedly pursuing. I did like the other sequence, however, featuring Superman and Batman soldiers. My other issue was the prevalence of cryptic messages scrawled or painted on: Superman’s statue, Robin’s suit, Newspaper clippings, and returned checks (all in the same handwriting more or less).
Overall, however, I thought this was an artistic film which was both ambitious and well-realized. It’s fun to watch Luthor brainwash the two combatants. Also, this is the first Batman film where Wayne gets a role as super detective (when he sneaks around in Luthor’s mansion). I’m not sure who the figure was leaning out of the computer monitor at him (at the end of the future soldier sequence), but I think that scene suggests some of Batman’s rage against Superman was the result of psychic manipulation on the part of another meta human. The denouement the Batman/Superman battle was well conceived. Wonder Woman was also exceptionally well realized, and brought a shot of life (and humor) into the movie.
The long and short of it is that there is plenty in Batman V Superman that is worthy of sincere critical discussion. I’m disappointed to think we live in a society where all reviews are bought and paid for and serve only the purpose of corporate agenda instead of overall greater human awareness and understanding as sometimes seems to be the case.
4.0 out of 5 stars
A Thought-Provoking and Impressive Achievement
By WR--Reckless Traveler on March 28, 2016
I’m a little bit troubled by what I feel to be a lack of legitimate reviews on this movie. There is a very well established network of print and social media where the general public should be able to trust professional and well-educated individuals to share their honest assessment of art, literature and film without promoting a non-related agenda. Art is one of the cornerstones of civilized society, and it’s important that every artist, no matter how big or small, have their contribution judged on its own merits. I has been disturbed to witness the negative social media campaign aimed at Batman v Superman since the film’s production was announced. Most of the criticisms I have read on this film have not been of a scholarly variety, and although I do not think this film is a “masterpiece” by any means, it is not a bad film, in fact I found it very interesting and thought provoking.
If “Batman v Superman” is only worthy of a 29% approval rating on Rottentomatoes.com, why is the viewer assessment of this film sitting at 7.2/10 on IMDB.com? Furthermore, the box office has been tremendous. There are indications that this film has fans, but according to my Facebook news feed, most media sources list this as a “disappointment” or a “train-wreck,” but, again, they do not provide scholarly arguments and rely instead on hysterical generalizations. It’s almost as if these reviews come from media sources that are owned by a corporation that produces its own rival super hero films.
But let’s focus on BvS instead of conspiracies. By far the best part of this movie is Affleck as Batman. There has never been a Batman on screen quite like this. Affleck’s version is the grittiest and nastiest Batman we’ve ever seen. BvS introduces Batman as a figure terrifying to both police and criminals. The first time we see him, he’s hiding from a police officer in a ceiling (very much the physical representation of a bat). When the officer happens to see Batman, he’s so scared that he fires a couple shots as Batman scurries away.
Now, that is a very interesting scene and it establishes the kind of universe we’re dealing with here. In virtually every other Batman film, Batman is an aid to the police. Sometimes they work together directly, sometimes they have a kind of gentleman’s agreement. However, in BvS, Batman is clearly a vigilante that the cops are concerned about.
This is a theme that hasn’t been addressed in other comic book films. Are super heroes actually heroes, or are they entities with too much power that threaten to infringe on civil liberties? I find this question interesting because it has corollaries in real life. Obviously there are no super heroes, but there are entities with power that claim to be “protecting you” while arguably working towards your enslavement. How much leeway do you give entities like that? Do you let them gain power to the point where you’re essentially committing suicide simply by opposing them?
Batman begins to view Superman as a threat. During the course of the film, this assessment is mainly due to the manipulation of Lex Luthor, but it remains a fascinating dynamic. Honestly, in all the negative reviews you’ve read of BvS, how many have complained that Batman wasn’t portrayed as “tough enough” to handle Superman? I’ve actually seen the film, and I think the battle is quite convincing. Both Affleck and Cavill bring an almost super-human physicality to their roles.
Batman comes to view his fight with Superman as his “legacy” fight. He reveals this in a conversation with Alfred, played to perfection by Jeremy Irons. In another discussion with Alfred (these discussions are also a highlight) Batman acknowledges that he and Alfred are “Criminals,” which, to me, makes him a more sympathetic Batman than others we’ve seen. One of the main criticisms of Snyder’s vision of this comic book universe is an apparent willingness for his super heroes to shed the blood of their victims. I attribute this anger to a kind of “innocence fallacy” where these fans think Batman is justified in performing his acts of vigilantism as long as he does so non-lethally. The question becomes: what attacks and defenses is Batman allowed to use to appease this need? A punch to the chest can be a lethal attack, yet most fans are content to watch their superhero smash villains repeatedly. Is the line at breaking the skin? A punch to the face with draw blood from the nose, eyes, and mouth. If a villain attempts to stab Batman, can he turn the knife back on the attacker? Is Batman not allowed to shoot somebody, even if that person is about to kill an innocent party?
There is always a cry to “take comic books more seriously,” to “perceive them as art,” to “perceive them as adult.” That’s fine, but there have been dozens of comic book movies now and sooner or later some filmmaker had to amp up the realism to the point where audiences start to squirm. Snyder has given us a Batman who is aware he is a criminal, but continues on in the name of justice. Why is that an issue? Although this Batman does appear to be willing to kill his enemies, this isn’t overtly portrayed in the movie. Actually, after the backlash to “Man of Steel” there is a lot of dialogue about how certain fights are happening in “uninhabited areas.”
Personally, I find the cartoon nature of the Avengers films to be boring. “Batman V Superman” has a lot more I can sink my teeth into. Yes, there are some problems with this film, I wasn’t a big fan of Jesse Eisenberg’s performance for example. He lacked the physicality of the other leads, and had a propensity for repeating his lines off into silence (blame the director and writers there). Actually there are a couple little narrative quirks like that which plague the film. Dream sequences are used too frequently. The first scene of Wayne being lifted up by bats is a divergence from the realism Snyder is otherwise determinedly pursuing. I did like the other sequence, however, featuring Superman and Batman soldiers. My other issue was the prevalence of cryptic messages scrawled or painted on: Superman’s statue, Robin’s suit, Newspaper clippings, and returned checks (all in the same handwriting more or less).
Overall, however, I thought this was an artistic film which was both ambitious and well-realized. It’s fun to watch Luthor brainwash the two combatants. Also, this is the first Batman film where Wayne gets a role as super detective (when he sneaks around in Luthor’s mansion). I’m not sure who the figure was leaning out of the computer monitor at him (at the end of the future soldier sequence), but I think that scene suggests some of Batman’s rage against Superman was the result of psychic manipulation on the part of another meta human. The denouement the Batman/Superman battle was well conceived. Wonder Woman was also exceptionally well realized, and brought a shot of life (and humor) into the movie.
The long and short of it is that there is plenty in Batman V Superman that is worthy of sincere critical discussion. I’m disappointed to think we live in a society where all reviews are bought and paid for and serve only the purpose of corporate agenda instead of overall greater human awareness and understanding as sometimes seems to be the case.
‘Batman v Superman’ Slows But Still Cruising to 2nd Weekend Win at Box Office
The nation’s No. 1 movie “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” slowed down considerably as it began its second weekend at the U.S. box office, but still had plenty in the tank to cruise to another victory. The DC Comics superhero epic starring Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill was tops and delivered $15,3 million from a market-high 4,256 theaters on Friday and is heading for more than $50 million over the three days for Warner Bros. The Friday number is off about 80 percent from its $81 million opening day in the U.S., but that included nearly $28 million in Thursday night previews. The projected weekend figure would be a roughly 70 percent dropoff from its $166 million debut last weekend, which included Easter Sunday. Given its weak reviews (29 percent positive on Rotten Tomatoes) and so-so “B” CinemaScore, that’s about what can be expected. It’s in line with drop of the three “Twilight” movies, big openers with similarly soft notices. The last Superman movie “Man of Steel” fell 64 percent in its second weekend in 2013, and the last Batman film, “The Dark Knight Rises,” dropped 61 percent in 2012.
Warner Bros. executives won’t be fretting too much. Their Zack Snyder-directed blockbuster has already amassed $588 million globally, topping the entire runs of “Ant-Man,” “Thor” and “Captain America,” and delivered on goals the studio had in mind for the kickoff film in DC Comics Universe. The PG-13-rated superhero saga added $19 million from overseas on Friday to lift its international total to $363 million. Its domestic total is nearly $225 million. Disney Animation’s “Zootopia” will be a distant second with around $20 million in its fifth weekend after bringing in an estimated $5.6 million Friday, building domestic total to an impressive $261 million. “God’s Not Dead 2” earned $2.9 million on its first day in release in 2,320 theaters and is looking at $8.4 million, a little under projections, over the three days for Pure Flix Entertainment. It received an “A” CinemaScore from first-night audiences.
The sequel to the 2014 indie hit is leading another faith-based film, Sony’s “Miracles From Heaven,” for fourth after the Jennifer Garner drama added another $2.1 million in on Friday which projects to a $7.5 million third weekend. Both were running behind “My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2,” which will take third with around $11 million in its second weekend. The Nia Vardalos romantic comedy took in $2.8 million Friday for Universal. “Meet the Blacks,” an R-rated comedy that is the weekend’s only other new wide release, was in ninth and should top $4 million over the three days for Freestyle Entertainment, after managing $1.4 million Friday from just 1,014 theaters. Lionsgate dropped “Allegiant: The Divergent Series” more than 700 theaters in its third week and it managed $1.7 million from 3,018 locations. It will be sixth with around $5.6 million and has slogged to $56 million so far, and the third of four films in the franchise will be the lowest-grossing by far.
http://www.thewrap.com/batman-v-superman-slows-but-still-cruising-in-2nd-weekend-at-box-office/
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Man, I gots some stock in these fools!
Justice League Already Doomed...........YOU KNOW THE REST
Like a Kryptonite mist rolling over the land, the release of Batman v Superman in China has deadened the country’s theaters, driving away moviegoers and contributing to the demise of what should have been a hale and hearty Qing Ming Festival holiday box office weekend.
The superhero pic’s not so super 82.1 percent drop in revenue on Friday and Saturday from the same days last weekend is the biggest I can recall for a wide release in the decade since I’ve been following Middle Kingdom grosses. A plummet of that magnitude in North America would qualify as the fourth biggest second-weekend drop since such statistics have been recorded, worse even than BvS star Ben Affleck’s own box office disaster Gigli, which fell 81.9 percent in its second frame in 2003.
What ought to have been at least a $175 million China haul for Batman v Superman (Marvel’s Avengers – Age of Ultron earned $236 million there) will instead be a comparatively meager tally in the low $90 millions, less than Marvel’s ‘minor’ pictures Ant-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy earned from their respective 2015 and 2014 PRC releases.
It’s nearly impossible to overstate the seriousness of this as a financial setback for Warner Bros’ DC unit and its Justice League franchise. Not only will the rapid Chinese demise of Batman v Superman crimp the picture’s worldwide gross and greatly diminish its profitability, it has also soured the massive PRC audience on future Justice League releases.
Where Marvel has built an enthusiastic and ever increasing fan base in China for its Cinematic Universe by gradually building from success to success, Batman v Superman has, in one fell swoop, burned any goodwill that might have existed there for the DC franchise. Here are some typical comments on the film from China’s mtime.com movie fan forum:
ChatBigMountain: “Batman v Superman ignores the basic rules of story logic and insults the viewer’s intelligence.”
RushesNine: “True abuse from beginning to end.”
E-Flash: “A bloated, sluggish and clumsy facial paralysis.”
Additional comments on Douban, where the pic has scored a mediocre 6.7 average rating, characterized the pic as too “dark”, ”dull”, and “confusing” to be enjoyed.
Although its projected 90+ million box office gross may not look so bad compared to prior superhero releases, it’s important to put the number into context. The film will capture a market share of barely 1 percent of China’s 2016 box office, a dismal, 5-year low-water mark for superhero movies there. Only a few comic book films have fared worse, and those were all released in the years prior to the current superhero boom.
Source: Pacific Bridge Pictures analysis
Batman v Superman would probably have fared even worse in China this weekend were it not for the surprisingly tepid audience response to this weekend’s debuts of three locally made films, The Bodyguard, Chongqing Hotpot, and Who Sleeps My Bro. Each of the three earned less than $10 million on their opening Friday, setting up what looks to be an unusually soggy April at mainland theaters.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain...-82-percent-in-second-weekend/2/#523cd0ad5bc8
The nation’s No. 1 movie “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” slowed down considerably as it began its second weekend at the U.S. box office, but still had plenty in the tank to cruise to another victory. The DC Comics superhero epic starring Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill was tops and delivered $15,3 million from a market-high 4,256 theaters on Friday and is heading for more than $50 million over the three days for Warner Bros. The Friday number is off about 80 percent from its $81 million opening day in the U.S., but that included nearly $28 million in Thursday night previews. The projected weekend figure would be a roughly 70 percent dropoff from its $166 million debut last weekend, which included Easter Sunday. Given its weak reviews (29 percent positive on Rotten Tomatoes) and so-so “B” CinemaScore, that’s about what can be expected. It’s in line with drop of the three “Twilight” movies, big openers with similarly soft notices. The last Superman movie “Man of Steel” fell 64 percent in its second weekend in 2013, and the last Batman film, “The Dark Knight Rises,” dropped 61 percent in 2012.
Warner Bros. executives won’t be fretting too much. Their Zack Snyder-directed blockbuster has already amassed $588 million globally, topping the entire runs of “Ant-Man,” “Thor” and “Captain America,” and delivered on goals the studio had in mind for the kickoff film in DC Comics Universe. The PG-13-rated superhero saga added $19 million from overseas on Friday to lift its international total to $363 million. Its domestic total is nearly $225 million. Disney Animation’s “Zootopia” will be a distant second with around $20 million in its fifth weekend after bringing in an estimated $5.6 million Friday, building domestic total to an impressive $261 million. “God’s Not Dead 2” earned $2.9 million on its first day in release in 2,320 theaters and is looking at $8.4 million, a little under projections, over the three days for Pure Flix Entertainment. It received an “A” CinemaScore from first-night audiences.
The sequel to the 2014 indie hit is leading another faith-based film, Sony’s “Miracles From Heaven,” for fourth after the Jennifer Garner drama added another $2.1 million in on Friday which projects to a $7.5 million third weekend. Both were running behind “My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2,” which will take third with around $11 million in its second weekend. The Nia Vardalos romantic comedy took in $2.8 million Friday for Universal. “Meet the Blacks,” an R-rated comedy that is the weekend’s only other new wide release, was in ninth and should top $4 million over the three days for Freestyle Entertainment, after managing $1.4 million Friday from just 1,014 theaters. Lionsgate dropped “Allegiant: The Divergent Series” more than 700 theaters in its third week and it managed $1.7 million from 3,018 locations. It will be sixth with around $5.6 million and has slogged to $56 million so far, and the third of four films in the franchise will be the lowest-grossing by far.
http://www.thewrap.com/batman-v-superman-slows-but-still-cruising-in-2nd-weekend-at-box-office/
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Man, I gots some stock in these fools!
Justice League Already Doomed...........YOU KNOW THE REST
Like a Kryptonite mist rolling over the land, the release of Batman v Superman in China has deadened the country’s theaters, driving away moviegoers and contributing to the demise of what should have been a hale and hearty Qing Ming Festival holiday box office weekend.
The superhero pic’s not so super 82.1 percent drop in revenue on Friday and Saturday from the same days last weekend is the biggest I can recall for a wide release in the decade since I’ve been following Middle Kingdom grosses. A plummet of that magnitude in North America would qualify as the fourth biggest second-weekend drop since such statistics have been recorded, worse even than BvS star Ben Affleck’s own box office disaster Gigli, which fell 81.9 percent in its second frame in 2003.
What ought to have been at least a $175 million China haul for Batman v Superman (Marvel’s Avengers – Age of Ultron earned $236 million there) will instead be a comparatively meager tally in the low $90 millions, less than Marvel’s ‘minor’ pictures Ant-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy earned from their respective 2015 and 2014 PRC releases.
It’s nearly impossible to overstate the seriousness of this as a financial setback for Warner Bros’ DC unit and its Justice League franchise. Not only will the rapid Chinese demise of Batman v Superman crimp the picture’s worldwide gross and greatly diminish its profitability, it has also soured the massive PRC audience on future Justice League releases.
Where Marvel has built an enthusiastic and ever increasing fan base in China for its Cinematic Universe by gradually building from success to success, Batman v Superman has, in one fell swoop, burned any goodwill that might have existed there for the DC franchise. Here are some typical comments on the film from China’s mtime.com movie fan forum:
ChatBigMountain: “Batman v Superman ignores the basic rules of story logic and insults the viewer’s intelligence.”
RushesNine: “True abuse from beginning to end.”
E-Flash: “A bloated, sluggish and clumsy facial paralysis.”
Additional comments on Douban, where the pic has scored a mediocre 6.7 average rating, characterized the pic as too “dark”, ”dull”, and “confusing” to be enjoyed.
Although its projected 90+ million box office gross may not look so bad compared to prior superhero releases, it’s important to put the number into context. The film will capture a market share of barely 1 percent of China’s 2016 box office, a dismal, 5-year low-water mark for superhero movies there. Only a few comic book films have fared worse, and those were all released in the years prior to the current superhero boom.
Source: Pacific Bridge Pictures analysis
Batman v Superman would probably have fared even worse in China this weekend were it not for the surprisingly tepid audience response to this weekend’s debuts of three locally made films, The Bodyguard, Chongqing Hotpot, and Who Sleeps My Bro. Each of the three earned less than $10 million on their opening Friday, setting up what looks to be an unusually soggy April at mainland theaters.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain...-82-percent-in-second-weekend/2/#523cd0ad5bc8
Haven't seen it yet, but I don't understand why people feel DC has to have solo movies before an official JL movie. That worked for the Avengers, but X-men (for better or worse) and Guardians of the Galaxy were introduced as teams.
There have been a couple of JL animated films that people seem to like and prove more or less that a live movie can work with the right writer/director.
I think one of the main problems is that people who are creating these movies don't respect the source material and feel the need to put their on spin on it. It's one thing to try to make slight changes to characters with 40 plus years of stories, but at least get people who respect and maybe even know the source material to make the changes. If I was a WB executive, I would get the comic book writers or/and animated movie writers to write the script and if I'm really feeling desperate I'd get one of those fan made directors to film the movie with little impute from the top.I know that sounds crazy but I think people get to caught up in running with known writters,directors, and actors that they forget everyone started from the bottom and has the potential to create a great product.
a great example of what I mean is the Street Fighter Assassin Fist movie.Given the budget they had to work with it was a very good movie.Even that Power Rangers YouTube fan movie was a good story even if it was a dark semi adult themed movie.it felt like the creators target audience was people who grewup in the 90's and gave us a mature story.the creator seemed to take the Nolan route with out thinking he was above the source material like I believe Nolan thought he was or Michael Bay with Transformers.
There have been a couple of JL animated films that people seem to like and prove more or less that a live movie can work with the right writer/director.
I think one of the main problems is that people who are creating these movies don't respect the source material and feel the need to put their on spin on it. It's one thing to try to make slight changes to characters with 40 plus years of stories, but at least get people who respect and maybe even know the source material to make the changes. If I was a WB executive, I would get the comic book writers or/and animated movie writers to write the script and if I'm really feeling desperate I'd get one of those fan made directors to film the movie with little impute from the top.I know that sounds crazy but I think people get to caught up in running with known writters,directors, and actors that they forget everyone started from the bottom and has the potential to create a great product.
a great example of what I mean is the Street Fighter Assassin Fist movie.Given the budget they had to work with it was a very good movie.Even that Power Rangers YouTube fan movie was a good story even if it was a dark semi adult themed movie.it felt like the creators target audience was people who grewup in the 90's and gave us a mature story.the creator seemed to take the Nolan route with out thinking he was above the source material like I believe Nolan thought he was or Michael Bay with Transformers.
Batman v Superman has to make $925 million at the box office to make a profit
'It will not make a profit in the way that Zootopia or Deadpool have'
The titular superheroes square off in 'Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice'
Although Batman v Superman may be breaking box-office records for grossing over $400 million worldwide over Easter Weekend, it still has a long way to go before the film turns a profit.
According to Deadline, the film needs to turn over a profit of between $925 - $930 million in its theatrical run alone (before any ancillaries such as TV syndication, DVD sales etc).
However, once all revenue streams are accounted for, the superhero brawler looks set to turn a minimum profit of at $207.9 million. A source added how “It will not make a profit in the way that Zootopia (global Box Office $698M, cost $150M) or Deadpool (global Box Office $746M, cost $58M) have.”
Having had a stellar weekend in cinemas, Batman v Superman has reportedly grossed $501.9 million worldwide, making $33 million on Tuesday alone. Sceptics have noted that the fall in revenue from Thursday to Monday has been huge.
1. Deadpool
Release date: Out now. Kicking off things is Deadpool, the Fox-owned Marvel property that has broken numerous box-office records. Its success has, unsurprisingly, led to numerous studios saying they will also release R-Rated superhero films
With the film currently holding a 29% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, it will be a matter of time to see if Warner Bros second DCEU film can keep bringing in cinema goers.
Luckily for them, there is very little on the release schedule to compete with the film except the upcoming Snow White spin-off The Huntsmen and Disney’s Jungle Book remake later in April. Then, of course, come Captain America: Civil War.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...box-office-to-make-a-profit-a6961156.html?amp
'It will not make a profit in the way that Zootopia or Deadpool have'
- Jack Shepherd
- Thursday 31 March 2016
The titular superheroes square off in 'Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice'
Although Batman v Superman may be breaking box-office records for grossing over $400 million worldwide over Easter Weekend, it still has a long way to go before the film turns a profit.
According to Deadline, the film needs to turn over a profit of between $925 - $930 million in its theatrical run alone (before any ancillaries such as TV syndication, DVD sales etc).
However, once all revenue streams are accounted for, the superhero brawler looks set to turn a minimum profit of at $207.9 million. A source added how “It will not make a profit in the way that Zootopia (global Box Office $698M, cost $150M) or Deadpool (global Box Office $746M, cost $58M) have.”
Having had a stellar weekend in cinemas, Batman v Superman has reportedly grossed $501.9 million worldwide, making $33 million on Tuesday alone. Sceptics have noted that the fall in revenue from Thursday to Monday has been huge.
1. Deadpool
Release date: Out now. Kicking off things is Deadpool, the Fox-owned Marvel property that has broken numerous box-office records. Its success has, unsurprisingly, led to numerous studios saying they will also release R-Rated superhero films
With the film currently holding a 29% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, it will be a matter of time to see if Warner Bros second DCEU film can keep bringing in cinema goers.
Luckily for them, there is very little on the release schedule to compete with the film except the upcoming Snow White spin-off The Huntsmen and Disney’s Jungle Book remake later in April. Then, of course, come Captain America: Civil War.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...box-office-to-make-a-profit-a6961156.html?amp
WTF moments
Lex duping the krypton computers into creating doomsday:
1. Lex gains access by using zods fingerprints. A pretty simplistic way to breach security of a highly technologically advance species.
2. Overriding safety protocols simply because the council that set them up no longer exists. Its one thing to override safely protocols manually but here he seems to override it by simply applying logic but not even good logic. Its the bad big brother logic..dad said we're not suppose to do that...but dad isn't here so lets do it! Doesn't negate the reason why it shouldn't be done which should be the overall rule that computer acts on.
3. mixing human and kryptonian DNA creates a monster?? If thats the implication then should we be concerned about clark and lois fucking like teens on spring break??
4. lex gets into zods ship and everything interaction he has with it is in english...why? I understand that they can speak english but being a highly advanced race one could assume that they have the ability to adapt and or translate to our language but they would speak their own tongue and have their own writing language and culture etc. If not then Superman as a work is incredibly racist.
If there is very little difference between kryptonians and humans then superman is just an example of a superior white man who comes to earth to save and fight for other white people and oh yeah help the others as well.
I wrote a peace on this years addressing this point..
A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER - How the world would react if Superman really existed
His first duty would be to help those who are in need of it the most so I would imagine that he wouldn't come back to mainland United States but to third world countries in Africa and South America and Asia where people suffer horribly. In fact if he hadn't made his presence broadly known to America as a young adult then his introduction to the world would be through his assistance to other countries. America would see him in another country and assume his loyalties lie with them. If he was known in the U.S. prior to his sabbatical, we would question his loyalty to us seeing how he's spending inordinate amounts of time abroad. This very act alone would put him on enemies lists in the halls of power in the U.S...
Sure Superman is only one person and its a big world but I'm pretty sure some statistician would find that of all the people saved and crisis averted the majority of those may be white since he was raised by Caucasian human parents and he looks Caucasian himself. Or maybe it would be Asian since most of the world's population is Asian. In any case whatever group that gets the larger number of saves from Supes compared to who gets the least would only fuel speculation that maybe the hero isn't the fair playing person we like to think.
http://madconceptz.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-clear-and-present-danger-how-world.html
Lex duping the krypton computers into creating doomsday:
1. Lex gains access by using zods fingerprints. A pretty simplistic way to breach security of a highly technologically advance species.
2. Overriding safety protocols simply because the council that set them up no longer exists. Its one thing to override safely protocols manually but here he seems to override it by simply applying logic but not even good logic. Its the bad big brother logic..dad said we're not suppose to do that...but dad isn't here so lets do it! Doesn't negate the reason why it shouldn't be done which should be the overall rule that computer acts on.
3. mixing human and kryptonian DNA creates a monster?? If thats the implication then should we be concerned about clark and lois fucking like teens on spring break??
4. lex gets into zods ship and everything interaction he has with it is in english...why? I understand that they can speak english but being a highly advanced race one could assume that they have the ability to adapt and or translate to our language but they would speak their own tongue and have their own writing language and culture etc. If not then Superman as a work is incredibly racist.
If there is very little difference between kryptonians and humans then superman is just an example of a superior white man who comes to earth to save and fight for other white people and oh yeah help the others as well.
I wrote a peace on this years addressing this point..
A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER - How the world would react if Superman really existed
His first duty would be to help those who are in need of it the most so I would imagine that he wouldn't come back to mainland United States but to third world countries in Africa and South America and Asia where people suffer horribly. In fact if he hadn't made his presence broadly known to America as a young adult then his introduction to the world would be through his assistance to other countries. America would see him in another country and assume his loyalties lie with them. If he was known in the U.S. prior to his sabbatical, we would question his loyalty to us seeing how he's spending inordinate amounts of time abroad. This very act alone would put him on enemies lists in the halls of power in the U.S...
Sure Superman is only one person and its a big world but I'm pretty sure some statistician would find that of all the people saved and crisis averted the majority of those may be white since he was raised by Caucasian human parents and he looks Caucasian himself. Or maybe it would be Asian since most of the world's population is Asian. In any case whatever group that gets the larger number of saves from Supes compared to who gets the least would only fuel speculation that maybe the hero isn't the fair playing person we like to think.
http://madconceptz.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-clear-and-present-danger-how-world.html
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Zack Snyder DGAF....dude put 3 Watchmen in BvS
The 'Batman vs Superman' Easter Egg You Missed Might Appear Again In Aquaman...
By Katie Granger ⋅ Posted on April 3rd, 2016 at 2:05am
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is no exception to this, crammed full of so many easter eggs it's practically a breakfast buffet. From the numerous Joker references to quietly killing off one of the most iconic Superman characters within the first twenty minutes there's plenty to concern yourself with, but there's one egg which might have passed unnoticed amongst all the superhero spectacular.
Did you notice Patrick Wilson?
Majestic creature [Phantom of the Opera]
Wilson, for the uninitiated, is an actor best known for his work in the horror genre with James Wan on The Conjuring, Insidious andInsidious: Chapter 2 as well as his role as Daniel Dreiberg aka Nite Owl (II) in Synder's better receivedWatchmen adaptation back in 2009. He was also supposed to appear in Marvel'sAnt-Man back when Edgar Wright was on board to direct, but the arrangement fell through and took his role with it.
And he wasn't the only Watchmen alumni to appear in Batman v Superman. Jeffrey Dean Morgan who portrayed anti-hero the Comedian appeared as Thomas Wayne in the opening sequence, and Carla Gugino who portrayed the original Silk Spectre appears in the DCEU as the voice of Kelor, the Kryptonian A.I. who assists Lex Luthor (Jesse Eisenberg) in the creation of Doomsday.
Like Gugino, Wilson didn't appear in Batman v Superman in the flesh but rather lent his voice to a pretty important figure - the President of the United States. You may remember his cameo in which he approved a nuclear strike on Doomsday and Superman (Henry Cavill) whilst they fought in space. And as it turns out, we might not have seen (or rather, heard) the last of him in the DCEU.
Wilson as Batman... uh... Night Owl II [Watchmen]
The President of the US is an important figure in the DC comics, often interacting with superhero teams and individuals - Superman and the Justice League in particular. Whilst there's no confirmation on whether or not he'll play a role in the Justice League two parter (or indeed if Wilson would reprise the role should the character appear), there is a likelihood that he could pop up in another Justice League member's solo film.
Because Wilson has friends in high places, the aforementioned James Wan is helming the Jason Momoa starring Aquaman solo feature and he recently teased a possible appearance from the President to ComingSoon.net.
Wilson & Wan [The Conjuring]
The publication caught up with Wan at last weekend's LA based WonderCon, and popped the question as to whether we'd be seeing Wilson appearing in Aquaman; he responded:"You just might!". Of course this is far from a confirmation but it does sound hopeful, and it would be neat to see theWatchmen star popping up again to bridge the two films.
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3845534
Read 2002's never-produced 'Batman vs Superman'
Friday, April 01, 2016 11:05 a.m. by Greg Belfrage
"Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" is currently dominating the box office, but bringing the two heroes together on the silver screen has taken well over a decade.
There was an ill-fated script written in 2002 titled, "Asylum". It was commonly referred to at the time as "Batman vs Superman".
The script was written Andrew Kevin Walker ( Seven, Sleepy Hollow ) and Akiva Goldsman ( I am Legend, A Beautiful Mind ).
Read 2002's Asylum screenplay
The script features older versions of Batman and Superman.
Clark Kent and Lois Lane are in the midst of divorce. She no longer works at the Daily Planet.
Bruce Wayne has retired from crime fighting following the death of Dick Grayson (Robin) at the hands of the Joker. The Joker is also, presumably, dead. Alfred and Commissioner Gorden have also died.
Bruce finally finds happiness as he weds a woman named Elizabeth. On their honeymoon, Elizabeth drops dead from the Joker's Smilex...and the game is afoot.
Bruce dons cape and cowl once again with plans to hunt down and kill the Joker.
Enter Superman who warns Batman to stay out of it and allow him to capture the Joker.
Batman, however, will have none of it. He builds a new Batsuit embedded with kryptonite to keep Superman at bay.
Add a scheming, manipulative Lex Luthor and you've got the making of a battle royale.
Warner Bros. gave "Asylum" a green light and named Wolfgang Peterson as director. However, they eventually canceled the project in favor of "Batman Begins" in 2005.
However, the "Batman vs Superman" logo did make it on screen albeit briefly. You can clearly spot the "Batman vs Superman" billboard during 2007's "I am Legend" (below).
Look familiar?
Screenwriter Akiva Goldsmith and director Francis Lawrence slipped the logos into the film without asking Warner Bros. for permission.
http://wsau.com/blogs/movies/742/read-2002s-never-produced-batman-vs-superman/
Friday, April 01, 2016 11:05 a.m. by Greg Belfrage
"Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" is currently dominating the box office, but bringing the two heroes together on the silver screen has taken well over a decade.
There was an ill-fated script written in 2002 titled, "Asylum". It was commonly referred to at the time as "Batman vs Superman".
The script was written Andrew Kevin Walker ( Seven, Sleepy Hollow ) and Akiva Goldsman ( I am Legend, A Beautiful Mind ).
Read 2002's Asylum screenplay
The script features older versions of Batman and Superman.
Clark Kent and Lois Lane are in the midst of divorce. She no longer works at the Daily Planet.
Bruce Wayne has retired from crime fighting following the death of Dick Grayson (Robin) at the hands of the Joker. The Joker is also, presumably, dead. Alfred and Commissioner Gorden have also died.
Bruce finally finds happiness as he weds a woman named Elizabeth. On their honeymoon, Elizabeth drops dead from the Joker's Smilex...and the game is afoot.
Bruce dons cape and cowl once again with plans to hunt down and kill the Joker.
Enter Superman who warns Batman to stay out of it and allow him to capture the Joker.
Batman, however, will have none of it. He builds a new Batsuit embedded with kryptonite to keep Superman at bay.
Add a scheming, manipulative Lex Luthor and you've got the making of a battle royale.
Warner Bros. gave "Asylum" a green light and named Wolfgang Peterson as director. However, they eventually canceled the project in favor of "Batman Begins" in 2005.
However, the "Batman vs Superman" logo did make it on screen albeit briefly. You can clearly spot the "Batman vs Superman" billboard during 2007's "I am Legend" (below).
Look familiar?
Screenwriter Akiva Goldsmith and director Francis Lawrence slipped the logos into the film without asking Warner Bros. for permission.
http://wsau.com/blogs/movies/742/read-2002s-never-produced-batman-vs-superman/
Batman V Superman: Zack Snyder Discusses The ‘Martha’ Moment
Zack Snyder’s Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice has generated impassioned and divisive reactions ever since it came out in theaters last week. Though the film is doing just fine commercially (including strong repeat business), people are mixed in regards to the quality of the final product. While it’s an undeniable thrill for fans of DC Comics to see some of their favorite heroes finally join forces on the big screen, some felt that the story was muddled in its execution and featured too much Justice League set-up that detracted from the main narrative.
Of all the controversial moments, few were as head-scratching as the conclusion to the title fight between the two heroes. With Batman looking to end the greatest gladiator match in the history of the world with a killing blow from a Kryptonite spear, he’s stopped by Clark Kent’s plea to “save Martha,” a reference to his adoptive mother Martha Kent. That resonates with Bruce Wayne, since his mother was also named Martha. Because of that connection, Batman and Superman set aside their differences and start working together. It was an odd sequence to many moviegoers, but now Snyder has attempted to provide some clarity on the situation.
Speaking with Forbes, Snyder explained the infamous “Martha” scene, saying that it pays off for the viewer because of the relationship established between Clark and Ma Kent in Man of Steel and Batman V Superman:
You know, they’re both born and live in a world where someone can care about them and mourn them, and they can love their mother. And that’s the cool thing, you know we spend so much time with the Martha-Clark relationship that I think it kind of pays off there. You realize, oh, we needed that as viewers, so we could get to a moment with Batman where that moment with Martha resonates. Because we’ve lived on with Clark’s relationship with his mother, so that moment is like, “Wow, that’s ringing for me and I feel it.”
When we were shooting the title sequence, that whole idea about, “Do we really need to see the death of the Waynes again,” is a big thing to take a shot at again. But you realize you need it, because it actually pays off. And I really wanted to do it all the way.
While many will agree that the idea of Batman saying “Martha won’t die tonight” is a nice one in theory, the main issue several took with this scene is that it provided an arguably anti-climactic conclusion to the fight and was rather convenient for the film’s plot. The entire movie had been building up Bruce Wayne’s hatred of Superman and his mission to destroy the alien, so to some, the fact that the two were raised by women named Martha was not a strong enough reason for Batman to do a complete 180 and form an alliance with Superman. Within the context of what’s presented, Bruce Wayne should still view Kal-El as an unpredictable force capable of destroying the world – Martha or not.
At the same token, there is a touching character moment in there, particularly for Bruce Wayne. All of his life’s trauma dates back to the night his parents were murdered, so seeing someone beg for their mother to be rescued is going to strike a chord with him. It may not have been conveyed in the strongest manner, but one can see how “Martha” could inspire a change-of-heart in The Dark Knight. In that instance, he saw Superman not as a threat, but as a helpless boy worried about his mom’s wellbeing – something Bruce could immediately relate to. Time will tell how their relationship will evolve over the course of the DCEU, but realizing that they’re not so different from each other is a solid foundation.
Zack Snyder’s Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice has generated impassioned and divisive reactions ever since it came out in theaters last week. Though the film is doing just fine commercially (including strong repeat business), people are mixed in regards to the quality of the final product. While it’s an undeniable thrill for fans of DC Comics to see some of their favorite heroes finally join forces on the big screen, some felt that the story was muddled in its execution and featured too much Justice League set-up that detracted from the main narrative.
Of all the controversial moments, few were as head-scratching as the conclusion to the title fight between the two heroes. With Batman looking to end the greatest gladiator match in the history of the world with a killing blow from a Kryptonite spear, he’s stopped by Clark Kent’s plea to “save Martha,” a reference to his adoptive mother Martha Kent. That resonates with Bruce Wayne, since his mother was also named Martha. Because of that connection, Batman and Superman set aside their differences and start working together. It was an odd sequence to many moviegoers, but now Snyder has attempted to provide some clarity on the situation.
Speaking with Forbes, Snyder explained the infamous “Martha” scene, saying that it pays off for the viewer because of the relationship established between Clark and Ma Kent in Man of Steel and Batman V Superman:
You know, they’re both born and live in a world where someone can care about them and mourn them, and they can love their mother. And that’s the cool thing, you know we spend so much time with the Martha-Clark relationship that I think it kind of pays off there. You realize, oh, we needed that as viewers, so we could get to a moment with Batman where that moment with Martha resonates. Because we’ve lived on with Clark’s relationship with his mother, so that moment is like, “Wow, that’s ringing for me and I feel it.”
When we were shooting the title sequence, that whole idea about, “Do we really need to see the death of the Waynes again,” is a big thing to take a shot at again. But you realize you need it, because it actually pays off. And I really wanted to do it all the way.
While many will agree that the idea of Batman saying “Martha won’t die tonight” is a nice one in theory, the main issue several took with this scene is that it provided an arguably anti-climactic conclusion to the fight and was rather convenient for the film’s plot. The entire movie had been building up Bruce Wayne’s hatred of Superman and his mission to destroy the alien, so to some, the fact that the two were raised by women named Martha was not a strong enough reason for Batman to do a complete 180 and form an alliance with Superman. Within the context of what’s presented, Bruce Wayne should still view Kal-El as an unpredictable force capable of destroying the world – Martha or not.
At the same token, there is a touching character moment in there, particularly for Bruce Wayne. All of his life’s trauma dates back to the night his parents were murdered, so seeing someone beg for their mother to be rescued is going to strike a chord with him. It may not have been conveyed in the strongest manner, but one can see how “Martha” could inspire a change-of-heart in The Dark Knight. In that instance, he saw Superman not as a threat, but as a helpless boy worried about his mom’s wellbeing – something Bruce could immediately relate to. Time will tell how their relationship will evolve over the course of the DCEU, but realizing that they’re not so different from each other is a solid foundation.
Kevin Smith Says Ben Affleck’s Batman Will Avoid Batman V Superman’s ‘Pitfalls’
Despite its mixed reception, Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice keeps chugging along. Although it experienced a significant drop in box office from its opening day throughout the following weekend, it looks as though it could have a strong second weekend – owing to being the only blockbuster on the block and having strong repeat ticket sales. If it keeps up a full head of steam, Batman V Superman will jumpstart the DCEU in a big way, preparing fans for DC/Warner Bros. full line of comic book cinema action.
Although there has been no set release date, Ben Affleck has admitted to conferring with DC’s Geoff Johns on a solo Batman flick – likely starring, written, and directed by him as well. Even critics who panned Batman V Superman generally left Affleck’s Batman alone, and Affleck has another notable filmmaker and comic book superfan in his corner as well: Kevin Smith.
Attending the Freep Film Festival last Thursday night, Smith spoke with the crowd about Batman V Superman (via Comic Book.com). He addressed the assembled crowd about his somewhat infamous “Fat Man On Batman” podcast review, which claimed the film had “a fundamental lack of understanding” of the characters. But when speaking about his old comrade, Affleck, whom he last directed in Clerks II, he had kinder words in general – especially with regards to the standalone Batman film. Describing Affleck’s level of commitment and quality, Smith noted:
“I guarantee you he’s read everything (review-wise) … and he’s like: ‘OK, these are all the pitfalls my script isn’t going to fall into.’ ”
The Detroit Free Press also noted that Smith “floated the idea that Affleck, who has a screenwriting Oscar for Good Will Hunting, could get another nomination or even a win for his Batman film.” High praise from Smith for certain, but it’s not without its merits. Aside from his aforementioned screenwriting Oscar (shared with Matt Damon), Affleck also won a Best Picture Oscar for his 2012 picture Argo – for which many believe he was snubbed for the Best Director win as well. Aside from his two Academy Awards, the actor took home several Golden Globes, Screen Guild and BAFTA Awards as well.
To date, no live-action superhero picture has won an Academy Award for Best Director, Screenplay, Best Picture. And with the exception of Heath Ledger (for The Dark Knight), no actor has won an Oscar from their work in a comic book film. With a massive slate of comic book films on the horizon, many with their own sizeable amount of talent involved, perhapscomic book films will finally see some Oscar glory, beyond the sound and FX crews, anyway. And with major star power like Affleck, who has a high-caliber body of work and a positive reception in the role, DC would be foolish not to tune up the Batmobile for another round asap.
Admittedly, Affleck and Smith’s friendship stretches back to Affleck’s role in Mallrats (1995). As a result, fans should take his praise of Affleck with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, Smith does know his comic book films and has worked extensively with Affleck, so he certainly knows what the multitalented persona is capable of. If nothing else, we’ll probably see Affleck’s Batman again very soon, as he’s rumored to have a cameo inSuicide Squad.
Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice opens on March 25, 2016, followed by Suicide Squad on August 5, 2016; Wonder Woman on June 23, 2017; Justice League Part One on November 17, 2017; The Flash on March 16, 2018; Aquaman on July 27, 2018; Shazam on April 5, 2019; Justice League Part Two on June 14, 2019; Cyborg on April 3, 2020; and Green Lantern Corps. on June 19, 2020. Solo Supermanand Batman movies are coming before 2020.
Despite its mixed reception, Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice keeps chugging along. Although it experienced a significant drop in box office from its opening day throughout the following weekend, it looks as though it could have a strong second weekend – owing to being the only blockbuster on the block and having strong repeat ticket sales. If it keeps up a full head of steam, Batman V Superman will jumpstart the DCEU in a big way, preparing fans for DC/Warner Bros. full line of comic book cinema action.
Although there has been no set release date, Ben Affleck has admitted to conferring with DC’s Geoff Johns on a solo Batman flick – likely starring, written, and directed by him as well. Even critics who panned Batman V Superman generally left Affleck’s Batman alone, and Affleck has another notable filmmaker and comic book superfan in his corner as well: Kevin Smith.
Attending the Freep Film Festival last Thursday night, Smith spoke with the crowd about Batman V Superman (via Comic Book.com). He addressed the assembled crowd about his somewhat infamous “Fat Man On Batman” podcast review, which claimed the film had “a fundamental lack of understanding” of the characters. But when speaking about his old comrade, Affleck, whom he last directed in Clerks II, he had kinder words in general – especially with regards to the standalone Batman film. Describing Affleck’s level of commitment and quality, Smith noted:
“I guarantee you he’s read everything (review-wise) … and he’s like: ‘OK, these are all the pitfalls my script isn’t going to fall into.’ ”
The Detroit Free Press also noted that Smith “floated the idea that Affleck, who has a screenwriting Oscar for Good Will Hunting, could get another nomination or even a win for his Batman film.” High praise from Smith for certain, but it’s not without its merits. Aside from his aforementioned screenwriting Oscar (shared with Matt Damon), Affleck also won a Best Picture Oscar for his 2012 picture Argo – for which many believe he was snubbed for the Best Director win as well. Aside from his two Academy Awards, the actor took home several Golden Globes, Screen Guild and BAFTA Awards as well.
To date, no live-action superhero picture has won an Academy Award for Best Director, Screenplay, Best Picture. And with the exception of Heath Ledger (for The Dark Knight), no actor has won an Oscar from their work in a comic book film. With a massive slate of comic book films on the horizon, many with their own sizeable amount of talent involved, perhapscomic book films will finally see some Oscar glory, beyond the sound and FX crews, anyway. And with major star power like Affleck, who has a high-caliber body of work and a positive reception in the role, DC would be foolish not to tune up the Batmobile for another round asap.
Admittedly, Affleck and Smith’s friendship stretches back to Affleck’s role in Mallrats (1995). As a result, fans should take his praise of Affleck with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, Smith does know his comic book films and has worked extensively with Affleck, so he certainly knows what the multitalented persona is capable of. If nothing else, we’ll probably see Affleck’s Batman again very soon, as he’s rumored to have a cameo inSuicide Squad.
Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice opens on March 25, 2016, followed by Suicide Squad on August 5, 2016; Wonder Woman on June 23, 2017; Justice League Part One on November 17, 2017; The Flash on March 16, 2018; Aquaman on July 27, 2018; Shazam on April 5, 2019; Justice League Part Two on June 14, 2019; Cyborg on April 3, 2020; and Green Lantern Corps. on June 19, 2020. Solo Supermanand Batman movies are coming before 2020.
Why Warner Bros. Should Fast Track Ben Affleck’s Solo Batman Movie
When it was announced in 2013 that Ben Affleck would portray the next big screen Dark Knight in Zack Snyder’s Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, the Internet (putting it mildly) went into a frenzy. The casting was the first of many controversies the film would go on to generate, with many fans concerned that Affleck was the wrong choice. After all, he had tried to play a superhero once in Daredevil, and that didn’t turn out so well. From the beginning we believed the Oscar winner could work in the role, but for a while Affleck’s involvement remained a point of contention among comic book aficionados.
How things change. During the movie’s marketing campaign, images and footage of Affleck in-character started to sway some of the naysayers. When Batman V Superman finally arrived in theaters, even those who weren’t particularly fond of the final product could agree on one thing: the new Batman was perhaps the film’s strongest element and viewers couldn’t wait to see more of him. No matter how one feels about Dawn of Justice and its perceived shortcomings, Affleck emerged relatively unscathed – save for a sad, yet humorous Internet meme.
Though it hasn’t been officially scheduled yet, Warner Bros. is planning to release a solo Batman movie starring Affleckbefore 2020. Judging by the response to Batman V Superman, it’d be safe to assume the studio would make it a top priority, but updates on the film are few and far between. Affleck recentlyconfirmed earlier rumors that he is working with DC head honcho Geoff Johns on a mystery project, which many believe is the latest live-action Batman flick. If WB is smart, they’ll fast track it so it comes out as soon as possible. There are several reasons why.
CAPITALIZE ON POSITIVE BUZZ
Between Man of Steel and Batman V Superman, the DC Extended Universe is 2/2 in terms of delivering adaptations that divide audiences. For now, things seem to be working, with Dawn of Justice setting box office records. However, mixed word-of-mouth typically does not yield sustainable, longterm results. Batman V Superman could already be suffering the consequences of the negative response, since it saw thesteepest Friday to Sunday drop-off during its opening weekend. Though Batman V Superman has its supporters, there are also plenty who are against it, so it will be interesting to see how Dawn of Justiceholds up over its entire theatrical run.
Simply put, WB needs to give die-hard fans and casual audiences a tangible reason to be excited for another DC film. Given that Affleck’s Batman received high marks, the easiest way to accomplish that just might be pushing Batman to the front of the slate and capitalize on the positive buzz. It’s a situation similar to Gal Gadot’s Wonder Woman, who is getting her own vehicle in June 2017. After she stole just about every scene she was in (particularly the Doomsday fight), there are those who could be anticipating Wonder Woman more than Snyder’s Justice League. If the studio is listening to what fans are saying, Batman will get a set release date so viewers have something to look forward to – no matter what else happens in the DCEU.
At the earliest, a new Batman movie wouldn’t be able to hit theaters until 2018; Snyder will start production on Justice League Part One in the very near future, and Affleck is finishing up work on his crime drama Live by Night for an October 2017 release. That means there’s inevitably some time to wait before it comes out, but WB would still be striking when the iron is hot. Affleck’s version of the Dark Knight resonated strongly with moviegoers, and he’ll no doubt get the spotlight in the big team-up film next year. Even if Justice League sees a similar response to Batman V Superman in terms of reviews, that probably won’t be enough to quell anticipation for the next Batman. That character is pretty much a lock to be a success.
GIVE A TALENTED CAST THE SPOTLIGHT
From Affleck to Gadot to Jesse Eisenberg, DC’s speciality seems to be out-of-left-field casting choices that inspire impassioned comments about why the actor is a bad fit, but now that fans are getting a chance to actually see everyone in action, the Gotham City portion of the DCEU is in great shape. As mentioned previously, Affleck has proven his worth as Bruce Wayne/Batman, and Jeremy Irons was a wonderful successor to Michael Caine as Alfred. The two actors’ interactions in Batman V Superman were stellar, giving viewers a tantalizing taste of their chemistry. It’s hard not to crack a smile at Alfred wondering if there will be future generations in the Wayne family, or tear up at Bruce having an emotional talk about being older than his father ever was.
The first image of Jared Leto’s tatted-up Joker rubbed some people the wrong way, but the brief snippets of him in the Suicide Squad trailers have changed the tune somewhat. Leto seems pretty charismatic in the role, and his deranged commitment to playing the Clown Prince of Crime should make for a compelling performance when it’s all said and done. Margot Robbie has had a high approval rating ever since she was cast as Harley Quinn, perfectly capturing the traits that make the character a standout. Even on the off chance that these characters are among the weakest elements in David Ayer’s film, Batman has a long list of rogues to choose from for a solo movie.
Affleck, Irons, Leto, and Robbie would already be a killer ensemble, meaning the recent addition of J.K. Simmons as famed Batman ally Commissioner Gordon is just the cherry on top. If these five are brought together for their own movie, that’s four Oscar winners (though Affleck’s Oscar wasn’t for acting), and one rising star who is talented enough to become an Academy Award winner one day. The pedigree of comic book movies continues to rise, but that’s still an impressive roster to headline an adaptation. It’s reminiscent of Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy, which provided meaty roles for thespians like Christian Bale, Caine, Morgan Freeman, and Gary Oldman. The cast here has the capability to transcend the genre by supplying the necessary gravitas to their characters and make them feel real. Overall, DC has done a good job casting their universe, but Batman takes the cake and Gotham deserves a moment in the spotlight – sooner rather than later.
AFFLECK THE FILMMAKER
It’s difficult to get a complete read on the DCEU, since so far it consists of only two films and they’ve both been directed by the same filmmaker. WB maintains that the franchise will be “filmmaker driven,” however, meaning that all the directors who come in will have relative creative freedom in crafting their movie. For those not enamored with Snyder’s version of DC’s famous icons, that’s an enticing development because the studio has recruited top tier directors like Ayer, Patty Jenkins, and James Wan to play in their sandbox. And for Batman, there’s one name that makes the most amount of sense: none other than Ben Affleck.
After a rough period in the 2000s, Affleck redefined his career by stepping behind the camera and demonstrated he had adeptness at directing. Though he’s only made three films to date, all of them have been very well-received, and 2012’s Argo won Best Picture (making up for Affleck’s infamous Best Director snub). His track record speaks for itself, and Affleck has quickly become one of the best filmmakers working in Hollywood today. So far, he’s made “smaller” dramas (in comparison to a superhero film), but those sensibilities are a perfect fit for a serious Batman story and could just be the palate cleanser moviegoers need in the DCEU.
Though he’s very skilled at staging action sequences, even those who like Snyder’s DC films will admit that he has a tendency to go a little overboard with CGI. For some viewers, the finales to Man of Steeland Batman V Superman overwhelmed the senses with all that was going on. Nobody’s saying that the next Batman movie should resemble an indie film, but more than any other upcoming title on deck, it has the potential to be the most toned-down in terms of fantastical elements. Nolan showed that it’s possible to keep things somewhat grounded with these mythos, and after larger-than-life battles with gods, monsters, and presumably the end of the world, audiences probably wouldn’t mind something scaled down, while still maintaining a grand scope. The ability to blend multiple genres is what makes superhero movies such an appealing prospect, so WB should take advantage of what they’ve assembled.
CONCLUSION
More than anything, the DCEU needs a film that earns near unanimous acclaim from critics and audiences. They have to look no further than Gotham City to find all the ingredients there, waiting to be mixed into a movie that can put the brand on top. It’s true that nobody’s perfect, but for now it’s difficult to bet against Affleck as he continues his resurgence. Over the last handful of years, his involvement with a film has become a reason to get excited for it, so seeing what he can do with Batman could be a treat for everyone.
If WB is smart, the studio will turn on the Affleck signal and hand him the keys to the Batmobile as soon as possible. The way things have shaped up, Batman is one of the franchise’s best assets and the focus needs to be on him moving forward. Snyder is doing this in a way by having Bruce Wayne be the one to recruit the fellow Justice League members, but in a team-up like that, Batman is still sharing screen time with other superheroes. This is a well-realized character that has earned his moment in the sun. If people walk away from Batman V Superman demanding more Batman, then the studio should give them what they want.
When it was announced in 2013 that Ben Affleck would portray the next big screen Dark Knight in Zack Snyder’s Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, the Internet (putting it mildly) went into a frenzy. The casting was the first of many controversies the film would go on to generate, with many fans concerned that Affleck was the wrong choice. After all, he had tried to play a superhero once in Daredevil, and that didn’t turn out so well. From the beginning we believed the Oscar winner could work in the role, but for a while Affleck’s involvement remained a point of contention among comic book aficionados.
How things change. During the movie’s marketing campaign, images and footage of Affleck in-character started to sway some of the naysayers. When Batman V Superman finally arrived in theaters, even those who weren’t particularly fond of the final product could agree on one thing: the new Batman was perhaps the film’s strongest element and viewers couldn’t wait to see more of him. No matter how one feels about Dawn of Justice and its perceived shortcomings, Affleck emerged relatively unscathed – save for a sad, yet humorous Internet meme.
Though it hasn’t been officially scheduled yet, Warner Bros. is planning to release a solo Batman movie starring Affleckbefore 2020. Judging by the response to Batman V Superman, it’d be safe to assume the studio would make it a top priority, but updates on the film are few and far between. Affleck recentlyconfirmed earlier rumors that he is working with DC head honcho Geoff Johns on a mystery project, which many believe is the latest live-action Batman flick. If WB is smart, they’ll fast track it so it comes out as soon as possible. There are several reasons why.
CAPITALIZE ON POSITIVE BUZZ
Between Man of Steel and Batman V Superman, the DC Extended Universe is 2/2 in terms of delivering adaptations that divide audiences. For now, things seem to be working, with Dawn of Justice setting box office records. However, mixed word-of-mouth typically does not yield sustainable, longterm results. Batman V Superman could already be suffering the consequences of the negative response, since it saw thesteepest Friday to Sunday drop-off during its opening weekend. Though Batman V Superman has its supporters, there are also plenty who are against it, so it will be interesting to see how Dawn of Justiceholds up over its entire theatrical run.
Simply put, WB needs to give die-hard fans and casual audiences a tangible reason to be excited for another DC film. Given that Affleck’s Batman received high marks, the easiest way to accomplish that just might be pushing Batman to the front of the slate and capitalize on the positive buzz. It’s a situation similar to Gal Gadot’s Wonder Woman, who is getting her own vehicle in June 2017. After she stole just about every scene she was in (particularly the Doomsday fight), there are those who could be anticipating Wonder Woman more than Snyder’s Justice League. If the studio is listening to what fans are saying, Batman will get a set release date so viewers have something to look forward to – no matter what else happens in the DCEU.
At the earliest, a new Batman movie wouldn’t be able to hit theaters until 2018; Snyder will start production on Justice League Part One in the very near future, and Affleck is finishing up work on his crime drama Live by Night for an October 2017 release. That means there’s inevitably some time to wait before it comes out, but WB would still be striking when the iron is hot. Affleck’s version of the Dark Knight resonated strongly with moviegoers, and he’ll no doubt get the spotlight in the big team-up film next year. Even if Justice League sees a similar response to Batman V Superman in terms of reviews, that probably won’t be enough to quell anticipation for the next Batman. That character is pretty much a lock to be a success.
GIVE A TALENTED CAST THE SPOTLIGHT
From Affleck to Gadot to Jesse Eisenberg, DC’s speciality seems to be out-of-left-field casting choices that inspire impassioned comments about why the actor is a bad fit, but now that fans are getting a chance to actually see everyone in action, the Gotham City portion of the DCEU is in great shape. As mentioned previously, Affleck has proven his worth as Bruce Wayne/Batman, and Jeremy Irons was a wonderful successor to Michael Caine as Alfred. The two actors’ interactions in Batman V Superman were stellar, giving viewers a tantalizing taste of their chemistry. It’s hard not to crack a smile at Alfred wondering if there will be future generations in the Wayne family, or tear up at Bruce having an emotional talk about being older than his father ever was.
The first image of Jared Leto’s tatted-up Joker rubbed some people the wrong way, but the brief snippets of him in the Suicide Squad trailers have changed the tune somewhat. Leto seems pretty charismatic in the role, and his deranged commitment to playing the Clown Prince of Crime should make for a compelling performance when it’s all said and done. Margot Robbie has had a high approval rating ever since she was cast as Harley Quinn, perfectly capturing the traits that make the character a standout. Even on the off chance that these characters are among the weakest elements in David Ayer’s film, Batman has a long list of rogues to choose from for a solo movie.
Affleck, Irons, Leto, and Robbie would already be a killer ensemble, meaning the recent addition of J.K. Simmons as famed Batman ally Commissioner Gordon is just the cherry on top. If these five are brought together for their own movie, that’s four Oscar winners (though Affleck’s Oscar wasn’t for acting), and one rising star who is talented enough to become an Academy Award winner one day. The pedigree of comic book movies continues to rise, but that’s still an impressive roster to headline an adaptation. It’s reminiscent of Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy, which provided meaty roles for thespians like Christian Bale, Caine, Morgan Freeman, and Gary Oldman. The cast here has the capability to transcend the genre by supplying the necessary gravitas to their characters and make them feel real. Overall, DC has done a good job casting their universe, but Batman takes the cake and Gotham deserves a moment in the spotlight – sooner rather than later.
AFFLECK THE FILMMAKER
It’s difficult to get a complete read on the DCEU, since so far it consists of only two films and they’ve both been directed by the same filmmaker. WB maintains that the franchise will be “filmmaker driven,” however, meaning that all the directors who come in will have relative creative freedom in crafting their movie. For those not enamored with Snyder’s version of DC’s famous icons, that’s an enticing development because the studio has recruited top tier directors like Ayer, Patty Jenkins, and James Wan to play in their sandbox. And for Batman, there’s one name that makes the most amount of sense: none other than Ben Affleck.
After a rough period in the 2000s, Affleck redefined his career by stepping behind the camera and demonstrated he had adeptness at directing. Though he’s only made three films to date, all of them have been very well-received, and 2012’s Argo won Best Picture (making up for Affleck’s infamous Best Director snub). His track record speaks for itself, and Affleck has quickly become one of the best filmmakers working in Hollywood today. So far, he’s made “smaller” dramas (in comparison to a superhero film), but those sensibilities are a perfect fit for a serious Batman story and could just be the palate cleanser moviegoers need in the DCEU.
Though he’s very skilled at staging action sequences, even those who like Snyder’s DC films will admit that he has a tendency to go a little overboard with CGI. For some viewers, the finales to Man of Steeland Batman V Superman overwhelmed the senses with all that was going on. Nobody’s saying that the next Batman movie should resemble an indie film, but more than any other upcoming title on deck, it has the potential to be the most toned-down in terms of fantastical elements. Nolan showed that it’s possible to keep things somewhat grounded with these mythos, and after larger-than-life battles with gods, monsters, and presumably the end of the world, audiences probably wouldn’t mind something scaled down, while still maintaining a grand scope. The ability to blend multiple genres is what makes superhero movies such an appealing prospect, so WB should take advantage of what they’ve assembled.
CONCLUSION
More than anything, the DCEU needs a film that earns near unanimous acclaim from critics and audiences. They have to look no further than Gotham City to find all the ingredients there, waiting to be mixed into a movie that can put the brand on top. It’s true that nobody’s perfect, but for now it’s difficult to bet against Affleck as he continues his resurgence. Over the last handful of years, his involvement with a film has become a reason to get excited for it, so seeing what he can do with Batman could be a treat for everyone.
If WB is smart, the studio will turn on the Affleck signal and hand him the keys to the Batmobile as soon as possible. The way things have shaped up, Batman is one of the franchise’s best assets and the focus needs to be on him moving forward. Snyder is doing this in a way by having Bruce Wayne be the one to recruit the fellow Justice League members, but in a team-up like that, Batman is still sharing screen time with other superheroes. This is a well-realized character that has earned his moment in the sun. If people walk away from Batman V Superman demanding more Batman, then the studio should give them what they want.
Batman v Superman Has Fifth-Worst Second-Week Box Office Drop in History, Still Makes $52 Million
convoluted plan to kill Batman and Superman may fail (that's not a spoiler; if you genuinely think the first movie of a tentative franchise will kill its title heroes, bless you and your beautiful innocence), but it may have had massive collateral damage: ticket sales for Batman v Superman dropped a whopping 68.4 percent in its second week, which is only three points higher than the inverse of the film's Rotten Tomatoes score (29 percent).
It made $52.3 million in its second week, which is certainly not a small amount of money, but that 68.4 percent drop is the fifth-steepest drop for a film that opened with $100 million. It's also about the same drop as last year's universally-despised Fantastic Four, a movie poisoned by awful reviews, on-set turmoil, and that wig.
The huge drop in ticket sales may not really matter, though — Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 dropped 72 percent, and that movie did alright. BvS, which does have some good qualities that weconveniently aggregated into a list for you, was met with a less-than-enamored response from fans. In particular, Snyder's decision to have Ben Affleck's disconcertingly buff Batman kill copious lackeys was, as Lex might say, a bell that cannot be unrung. Its world-wide cume after two weeks is currently $682.8 million, which is more than the entire global returns of Man of Steel ($668m), Thor: The Dark World ($644.6m), Iron Man 2 ($623.9m) and Iron Man ($585.2m), but its chances of cracking $1 billion are dwindling. C'est la vie.
convoluted plan to kill Batman and Superman may fail (that's not a spoiler; if you genuinely think the first movie of a tentative franchise will kill its title heroes, bless you and your beautiful innocence), but it may have had massive collateral damage: ticket sales for Batman v Superman dropped a whopping 68.4 percent in its second week, which is only three points higher than the inverse of the film's Rotten Tomatoes score (29 percent).
It made $52.3 million in its second week, which is certainly not a small amount of money, but that 68.4 percent drop is the fifth-steepest drop for a film that opened with $100 million. It's also about the same drop as last year's universally-despised Fantastic Four, a movie poisoned by awful reviews, on-set turmoil, and that wig.
The huge drop in ticket sales may not really matter, though — Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 dropped 72 percent, and that movie did alright. BvS, which does have some good qualities that weconveniently aggregated into a list for you, was met with a less-than-enamored response from fans. In particular, Snyder's decision to have Ben Affleck's disconcertingly buff Batman kill copious lackeys was, as Lex might say, a bell that cannot be unrung. Its world-wide cume after two weeks is currently $682.8 million, which is more than the entire global returns of Man of Steel ($668m), Thor: The Dark World ($644.6m), Iron Man 2 ($623.9m) and Iron Man ($585.2m), but its chances of cracking $1 billion are dwindling. C'est la vie.
Zootopia, which has significantly less destruction than Zach Snyder's film (any of his films, really), had one of the best fifth-weeks ever, making $20 million for a domestic haul of $275.9 million. It's on pace to become the 10th animated film to gross over $300 million. It has a worldwide cume of $787.6 million.
Richard Linklater's gloriously gay 1980s college-bro chill flick Everybody Wants Some!! flexed its well-toned arms, making $323,000 on 19 screens. Less widespread (and less gay) was Vaxxed, the pseudo-science documentary that was expunged from the Tribeca film festival after everyone with Wi-Fi expressed outrage over the film's inclusion. It made $22,000 playing on one screen in New York.
Kevin Smith Says Ben Affleck’s Batman Will Avoid Batman V Superman’s ‘Pitfalls’
Despite its mixed reception, Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice keeps chugging along. Although it experienced a significant drop in box office from its opening day throughout the following weekend, it looks as though it could have a strong second weekend – owing to being the only blockbuster on the block and having strong repeat ticket sales. If it keeps up a full head of steam, Batman V Superman will jumpstart the DCEU in a big way, preparing fans for DC/Warner Bros. full line of comic book cinema action.
Although there has been no set release date, Ben Affleck has admitted to conferring with DC’s Geoff Johns on a solo Batman flick – likely starring, written, and directed by him as well. Even critics who panned Batman V Superman generally left Affleck’s Batman alone, and Affleck has another notable filmmaker and comic book superfan in his corner as well: Kevin Smith.
Attending the Freep Film Festival last Thursday night, Smith spoke with the crowd about Batman V Superman (via Comic Book.com). He addressed the assembled crowd about his somewhat infamous “Fat Man On Batman” podcast review, which claimed the film had “a fundamental lack of understanding” of the characters. But when speaking about his old comrade, Affleck, whom he last directed in Clerks II, he had kinder words in general – especially with regards to the standalone Batman film. Describing Affleck’s level of commitment and quality, Smith noted:
“I guarantee you he’s read everything (review-wise) … and he’s like: ‘OK, these are all the pitfalls my script isn’t going to fall into.’ ”
The Detroit Free Press also noted that Smith “floated the idea that Affleck, who has a screenwriting Oscar for Good Will Hunting, could get another nomination or even a win for his Batman film.” High praise from Smith for certain, but it’s not without its merits. Aside from his aforementioned screenwriting Oscar (shared with Matt Damon), Affleck also won a Best Picture Oscar for his 2012 picture Argo – for which many believe he was snubbed for the Best Director win as well. Aside from his two Academy Awards, the actor took home several Golden Globes, Screen Guild and BAFTA Awards as well.
To date, no live-action superhero picture has won an Academy Award for Best Director, Screenplay, Best Picture. And with the exception of Heath Ledger (for The Dark Knight), no actor has won an Oscar from their work in a comic book film. With a massive slate of comic book films on the horizon, many with their own sizeable amount of talent involved, perhapscomic book films will finally see some Oscar glory, beyond the sound and FX crews, anyway. And with major star power like Affleck, who has a high-caliber body of work and a positive reception in the role, DC would be foolish not to tune up the Batmobile for another round asap.
Admittedly, Affleck and Smith’s friendship stretches back to Affleck’s role in Mallrats (1995). As a result, fans should take his praise of Affleck with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, Smith does know his comic book films and has worked extensively with Affleck, so he certainly knows what the multitalented persona is capable of. If nothing else, we’ll probably see Affleck’s Batman again very soon, as he’s rumored to have a cameo inSuicide Squad.
Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice opens on March 25, 2016, followed by Suicide Squad on August 5, 2016; Wonder Woman on June 23, 2017; Justice League Part One on November 17, 2017; The Flash on March 16, 2018; Aquaman on July 27, 2018; Shazam on April 5, 2019; Justice League Part Two on June 14, 2019; Cyborg on April 3, 2020; and Green Lantern Corps. on June 19, 2020. Solo Superman and Batman movies are coming before 2020.
much respect
that is some RARE loyalty especially in this industry
especially when Affleck cut him off for his ex-wife
he stayed true to himself was critical but backed his boy
good example set.
whats the big deal about parademons??
don't start that shitif you have to ask....
you wouldn't understand
Computer had the same safety protocal as ravenclaw house in HP
Now lets see someone out geek that statement
Movie looks like its gonna end up in the 800mill range worldwide; thats considered a failure right??
on a plus 400 million total spend?
consider- the studio made the movie with borrowed / investor money
then borrowed more money to distribute and market it -
after the theatres, investors and creditors get their profit,
how much does the studio make on a movie that only grossed 100% (doubled) the spend number in theatre revenue?
This is my unbiased review.
The title of the movie should be this would've been doper but there is just a little something missing. It was the technical things.
The plot, I can forgive the plot it wasn't bad. You have to find a way to bring them apart and then together and his mom and lois would be the only real weakness. Batman felt some kind of way about superman so the seeds lex sewed made sense.
We know master chef batman with enough prep time can plan some shit to take anyone down and he did so no harm there. We know Superman didn't want to kill batman so that's why he didn't when he had the chance several times. I respect that.
It was too long. And it was too long because they wanted too many money shots. Money shots are the ones that last with you the longest and somewhere from the story board to the editing room they didn't do a good job of managing the mount of money shots.
I'll come back to that.
Let's talk character's.
Batman. Technically Ben did EVERYTHING RIGHT. he did. He really did. BUT. it was still like it was Ben Afleck. It's a shame too. He did his thing. He was moody, pissy, angry. He was getting the fuck down while he was fighting. His dream sequences made you want to just scream out AHHHHH...especially g.i. joe camo batman ripping heads and throats like McGruber. Everybody jumped at the headstone part. He did everything right man. He just wasn't QUITE it. Something about HIM the person it didn't translate into lost into the character. When Bale did it, regardless of how you like the movies or not, he wasn't Bale he was Batman. He's just batman and everything else he does it's Batman playing in something else. Afleck didn't quite capture that.
Superman. He's superman. He's it for me. Just me personally. He shows conflict well. He does. He gets angry. He gets moody. You can see in his face when he's annoyed. He was annoyed several times in the movie and you felt it. I loved when the building blew up at the hearing. I loved when he arrived. His arrivals were the best. He always hovered and you could just hear Louis C.K. voice like "I...I..I can't...should i do this shit?" And that was perfect. The money shots..ruined it but I'll come back to that.
Wonderwoman was cool They didn't do a good job of making you REALLY interested in her. They didn't show her physical prowess. They didn't allude to her ability really at all. And then she just hops off the plane cause she had a sword and shield in her carry on and fights. She was great fighting but I mean she's just regular then she's in the middle of it. Ok Cool I can forgive that but develop her more.
Lex. It's what I thought he'd be. More quirky than strong. More Kick Ass 2 Mclovin villain than oh shit this rich evil motherfucker is going to make batman kill superman???
His plan was executed perfectly. The way they showed it executed was not. It was too trailerish. It was like Ok bam bam bam bam its' all in motion tonight's the night! They didn't accent the end game better. They could have. It was there.
Now the elephant in the room that nobody is thinking about and the reason people don't like the movie and can't quite put their technical finger on it why but will deem the movie as trash. The movie isn't trash but it isn't classic either and the reason why is the money shots.
They went for the money shot in every single facet. Every single way imaginable. You know how they have to edit movies to be on TV? You don't have to with this movie. Every ending sequence was basically like a commercial break is coming and fading to black. lois takes a shit, the turd hits the bottom of the bowl, the music gets louder and those epic strings kick in and the she wipes and flushes and smells how rotten her insides are, she looks into the camera with her mouth open and then BOOM black... pause... next scene she's frying chicken in the kitchen.
That's how the movie was. Everything that happened didn't get a chance to become fluid. That's one thing MOS was and the rest of these hero movies have been which is why they've been on a good run. Fluid. Something REALLY tells me that this one has Snyder all over it and Nolan only in name and not active participating. Nolan would've never signed off on this type of stuff.
I'll give 2 examples. You're introduced to Lex he's talking to the senator in his dad's room. He goes on a mini speech giving you a peek inside of his mind and the music gets loud the strings are building its about to be epic and then black..pause next scene. Ok cool that's fine.
But then you follow it up with something else way smaller Batman going down to plant the bug in the hq and wonder woman stealing it and its the same thing. build up boom black pause. by the 6th time you do that it loses its effectiveness. That was the major problem. too many money shots.
The part that pissed me off was how GOOD of a fight batman v superman was. the fight itself was raw as fuck it was dark and moody and everything. Loved it.
Batman goes to the lair to rescue martha and he did his fucking THING. fuck that mercy shit he was ripping heads stabbing motherfuckers and all that FINALLY yes. this is the fluid Im talking about
and then Snyder said we might as well make 300 part 3. Wonder woman joined and the music changed to straight up ROCK ... whole movie is atmospheric symphony and then it's just rock and slo mo fighting. They're standing in formation slow motion 300 style and it hadn't been like that the entire movie. And then it was ruined. If he had kept it fluid like the other 2 fights and didn't try to FORCE the entire fight sequence as a money shot. it would've been better.
It was so bad it ruined the whole Superman dying. And by the time they tried to go to black and pause for effect it was the 40th time so it wasn't even effective when they cut to the side by side funerals.
Just reign it in nigga REIGN IT IN. but they didn't and here we are.
The title of the movie should be this would've been doper but there is just a little something missing. It was the technical things.
The plot, I can forgive the plot it wasn't bad. You have to find a way to bring them apart and then together and his mom and lois would be the only real weakness. Batman felt some kind of way about superman so the seeds lex sewed made sense.
We know master chef batman with enough prep time can plan some shit to take anyone down and he did so no harm there. We know Superman didn't want to kill batman so that's why he didn't when he had the chance several times. I respect that.
It was too long. And it was too long because they wanted too many money shots. Money shots are the ones that last with you the longest and somewhere from the story board to the editing room they didn't do a good job of managing the mount of money shots.
I'll come back to that.
Let's talk character's.
Batman. Technically Ben did EVERYTHING RIGHT. he did. He really did. BUT. it was still like it was Ben Afleck. It's a shame too. He did his thing. He was moody, pissy, angry. He was getting the fuck down while he was fighting. His dream sequences made you want to just scream out AHHHHH...especially g.i. joe camo batman ripping heads and throats like McGruber. Everybody jumped at the headstone part. He did everything right man. He just wasn't QUITE it. Something about HIM the person it didn't translate into lost into the character. When Bale did it, regardless of how you like the movies or not, he wasn't Bale he was Batman. He's just batman and everything else he does it's Batman playing in something else. Afleck didn't quite capture that.
Superman. He's superman. He's it for me. Just me personally. He shows conflict well. He does. He gets angry. He gets moody. You can see in his face when he's annoyed. He was annoyed several times in the movie and you felt it. I loved when the building blew up at the hearing. I loved when he arrived. His arrivals were the best. He always hovered and you could just hear Louis C.K. voice like "I...I..I can't...should i do this shit?" And that was perfect. The money shots..ruined it but I'll come back to that.
Wonderwoman was cool They didn't do a good job of making you REALLY interested in her. They didn't show her physical prowess. They didn't allude to her ability really at all. And then she just hops off the plane cause she had a sword and shield in her carry on and fights. She was great fighting but I mean she's just regular then she's in the middle of it. Ok Cool I can forgive that but develop her more.
Lex. It's what I thought he'd be. More quirky than strong. More Kick Ass 2 Mclovin villain than oh shit this rich evil motherfucker is going to make batman kill superman???
His plan was executed perfectly. The way they showed it executed was not. It was too trailerish. It was like Ok bam bam bam bam its' all in motion tonight's the night! They didn't accent the end game better. They could have. It was there.
Now the elephant in the room that nobody is thinking about and the reason people don't like the movie and can't quite put their technical finger on it why but will deem the movie as trash. The movie isn't trash but it isn't classic either and the reason why is the money shots.
They went for the money shot in every single facet. Every single way imaginable. You know how they have to edit movies to be on TV? You don't have to with this movie. Every ending sequence was basically like a commercial break is coming and fading to black. lois takes a shit, the turd hits the bottom of the bowl, the music gets louder and those epic strings kick in and the she wipes and flushes and smells how rotten her insides are, she looks into the camera with her mouth open and then BOOM black... pause... next scene she's frying chicken in the kitchen.
That's how the movie was. Everything that happened didn't get a chance to become fluid. That's one thing MOS was and the rest of these hero movies have been which is why they've been on a good run. Fluid. Something REALLY tells me that this one has Snyder all over it and Nolan only in name and not active participating. Nolan would've never signed off on this type of stuff.
I'll give 2 examples. You're introduced to Lex he's talking to the senator in his dad's room. He goes on a mini speech giving you a peek inside of his mind and the music gets loud the strings are building its about to be epic and then black..pause next scene. Ok cool that's fine.
But then you follow it up with something else way smaller Batman going down to plant the bug in the hq and wonder woman stealing it and its the same thing. build up boom black pause. by the 6th time you do that it loses its effectiveness. That was the major problem. too many money shots.
The part that pissed me off was how GOOD of a fight batman v superman was. the fight itself was raw as fuck it was dark and moody and everything. Loved it.
Batman goes to the lair to rescue martha and he did his fucking THING. fuck that mercy shit he was ripping heads stabbing motherfuckers and all that FINALLY yes. this is the fluid Im talking about
and then Snyder said we might as well make 300 part 3. Wonder woman joined and the music changed to straight up ROCK ... whole movie is atmospheric symphony and then it's just rock and slo mo fighting. They're standing in formation slow motion 300 style and it hadn't been like that the entire movie. And then it was ruined. If he had kept it fluid like the other 2 fights and didn't try to FORCE the entire fight sequence as a money shot. it would've been better.
It was so bad it ruined the whole Superman dying. And by the time they tried to go to black and pause for effect it was the 40th time so it wasn't even effective when they cut to the side by side funerals.
Just reign it in nigga REIGN IT IN. but they didn't and here we are.
Ok...I saw it again for the second time. I had to take my lady to see it. She's a huge Superman fan, so I didn't have the heart to tell her this film shitted on Superman beforehand
I will say, upon a second viewing I can give this film a 6.5-7, up from the 4.5 I was giving it at first. I think because it's been a week later, and I have had a whole week to ingest all of the good, bad, easter eggs, explanations, and this thread it made it slightly more enjoyable and understandable. Don't get me wrong, the bad is still bad, but some parts I could focus on a little bit more.
It was funny when The Flash appeared to Bruce. My girl was like "What the shit was that?!" "That was random!" Then I told her it was The Flash and she was like "Really?!" "I didn't know if it was a dream or if he really was coming back to talk to him!" Hell I felt the same way the first time too
I will say, upon a second viewing I can give this film a 6.5-7, up from the 4.5 I was giving it at first. I think because it's been a week later, and I have had a whole week to ingest all of the good, bad, easter eggs, explanations, and this thread it made it slightly more enjoyable and understandable. Don't get me wrong, the bad is still bad, but some parts I could focus on a little bit more.
It was funny when The Flash appeared to Bruce. My girl was like "What the shit was that?!" "That was random!" Then I told her it was The Flash and she was like "Really?!" "I didn't know if it was a dream or if he really was coming back to talk to him!" Hell I felt the same way the first time too
Damn this movie got the internets blazing.
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