BGOL review .. BATMAN V SUPERMAN... (thoughts, summary, spoilers)

[playahaitian]

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[papi68]

Garbage

 

[stretchwallz]

2nd viewing thoughts:

• Jesse Eisenberg is horrid, his story isn't clear. He hates Superman because he has issues with God(s) or because his dad beat him
• Why would the world blame Supes for gunshot wounds in Africa and terrorists bombings in D.C.
• Zorro poster at movies where Wayne and Martha Wayne are killed was clever. Batman was always a poor Zorro to me
• The Asian girl that was always with LexCorp was sacrificed by Lex at the Capitol bombing ? Damn
• Jimmy Olsen got killed in the first 6 minutes
• Wonder Woman rolled her eyes when Lex talked about Zues and Prometheus, she's Amazonian from Greek mythology so she knows Zues
• Lois and Clark have the sexual chemistry of Bill and Hilary Clinton during 1996
• Superman used to be football, apple pie, hope and the American way... Cavil is curling, pot pie, fear and the irratible bowel way
• Batman gives no fuck about killing or branding people in this film... Maybe he was pledging some new candidates Bat-Phi-Psi
• Alfred and Perry White were cast well and offered some acting chops
• Who gives a fuck if you were raised on a farm and wrestled pigs? what was that for
• If Supes can go outside of earth's atmosphere then why does he need to breathe in the Krypto-gas of Batman's
• Zack Snyder makes stunning visuals and SFX that saves this movie from being pure trash
• I am the only one who expected to see the fortress of solitude when Clark was visiting Happy Feet ?
• The film is soooo dark I was expecting Lestat to walk out and berate Bruce some
• The score/sound of the film is very dramatic
• What was Lex's contingency plan for Doomsday after he killed Superman?
• Doomsday made me look around for Gandolph and Aragon
• Superman is dumb as hell....why not give Wonder Woman the spear? Why not take Batman into outerspace?
• I was expecting swim team Khal Drogo to pop up out of the water with the Krypto-Spear
• Wonder Woman was enjoying the battle with Doomsday, her movie may be the one DC is looking for
• Batmobile and Batcave entrance in the lake was cool
• Superman had an open casket and Perry White was at the funeral ? His cover is blown
• Alfred is more than a butler...seems like an engineer and mechanic too
• Bruce wanted to hit Wonder Woman at the party... he even tried to let Clark know
• Only thing I wondered about Wonder Woman was where are the curves ?

• Why the hell is Zod's ship in an populated urban area? Area 51 not available
• Superman drops everything for Lois? he is Captain SaveHer
• The Flash looks faster than the CW's.... he knocked out the robber and made it back before his beverage hit the floor
• BvS is a much better film than MoS... the second weekend numbers will be crucial

 

[Big Tex]

People are not going to stand a lack of cheesy one liners in a super hero movie.

I like how half the people pointing out that this movie has no plot also love the Avengers, which basically has no plot.

But it has corny jokes and one liners.

 

[playahaitian]

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[playahaitian]

Harry wrestles with BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE and came up with this...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/74751

BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is a helluva first watch. I was wanting so much more than this movie gave me – and my expectations were through the roof. However to discuss how this film both succeeds and fails – I must dive into spoiler territory. So if you want to skip this review until you’ve seen the film… then go right ahead.



First – let’s discuss the greatness of the film.



BATMAN. Finally, for the very first time ever in a live action film, BATMAN is there. The costumes move and are used properly. The fighting style, Alfred, the Bat cave, the ramshackled Wayne Manor, Bruce Wayne waking up with some model-esque beauty passed out in his bed, going undercover as himself to discover secrets. All of this was just delightful to see on screen. By the time we’re in the full battle armor – I was giddy. Very cool stuff. Ben Affleck and Jeremy Irons are a perfect Batman & Alfred and I could watch them in dozens of movies doing their thing.



WONDER WOMAN. We don’t really get to see a whole lot of her, but if you pay close attention, you’ll see Gal Gadot’s Diana Prince wandering around in the backgrounds of several scenes. Gal is filled with guile, mystery and a degree of Catwoman in this film. At least that’s my take on her interactions with Bruce at Lex’s shindig. I’m not so sure why the picture was a big deal, other than it just shows she’s an immortal – and perhaps she wants that under wraps. We don’t get an invisible jet – and I do have some questions, like… Was her Sword & Shield and costume in her carry on? And if so, the Metropolis Airport Security is really really laxed. All kidding aside, when Wonder Woman hits the screen to kick ass, that’s exactly what she does. She handles DOOMSDAY better than either of the boys – and SUPERMAN was little more than a whipping boy – but then that is his job when faced with DOOMSDAY.





THE FIGHT BETWEEN BATMAN & SUPERMAN… I’d rate it a solid 7 out of a possible 10. Mainly because the fight in the animated DARK KNIGHT RETURNS is vastly superior a combat than the one in the live action feature. That said… was it cool? Very much so. However, it did feel truncated and I did wonder – why, when Superman first lays hands on BATMAN he just doesn’t open his armor up like a can of sardines. I mean… He’s Superman… but then part of the problem with the film is just the mishandling of Superman’s side of the story.



Before I get into what I felt was wrong – I want you to know – this is no Schumachrian Nightmare. We do get to see SUPERMAN, BATMAN & WONDER WOMAN all on screen together for the first time and that… all by its lonesome is a reason to celebrate. And I am seeing the film again this weekend and hope that I come to like it more than I do – or that some of the problems I have drop to the side.



Both my nephew and Fathergeek enjoyed the film completely – and I hope now that I know what the film is – upon second viewing it’ll cease to compete with my expectations that wanted something more epic than what I got.



See, I was expecting a film that had a series of growing conflicts with Batman & Superman… but really – there’s just the one. They come face to face before that, but it’s dreams and parties.



I also have to say – it was a mistake for Warners to stress that Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash, etc would be in the film – and the rumor mill had them all coming in, in the third act for a spectacle – and that would’ve possibly been cool, but having Wonder Woman and Batman opening really lame files on a computer… that just feels cheap and bullshit. Really does. Complete cop out. The AQUAMAN one was exceptionally lame.



But to me, the real problem of the film was just how preoccupied it decided to be with MAN OF STEEL. Really, the first hour and a half of the film is about the political fallout of Zod’s attack. It’s neat to show Bruce racing into certain death, but at the same time… Yes, it is building animosity towards Superman from the Wayne perspective… and showing him right there, showing an employee that lost his legs, a little girl that lost her mother. Powerful stuff, but also… just as an audience member… I’m fucking tired of this imagery. The first half of the film is debating the first film.



Now, I loved MAN OF STEEL, in fact I watched it right before going to see BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE – and as of right now, I greatly prefer MAN OF STEEL – mainly because it was its own film – and this new one is trying to convince us how deep and smart MAN OF STEEL was by constantly referring to it. Sure, there’s lots of it that is being pushed by Lex, who is framing Superman with various terrible scenarios – and in a way it feels like it wants to have the weight of WATCHMAN, but that’s just not going to work here.



Now, I kinda hate Holly Hunter’s Senator in this. She’s fine as a Senator, but this is all the boring shit that folks will fast forward / chapter skip – to get to the good parts. Terrio and Crew decided to be too cute and clever with the devastation of MAN OF STEEL. I would have preferred they just tell a new story.



My biggest problem I have right now with BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor … or… Alexander Luthor, who’s father we’re told is the Lex in LexCorps. Now, I’m somebody that loves everything Eisenberg has done – and I know just flat out – this has more to do with my own estimation of Luthor in my mind – and Luthor – historically speaking has still never once been done particularly well on camera. Gene Hackman and Kevin Spacey both played him as a bit of a buffoon – and personally I find that intolerable. Here, Jesse plays Luthor – and I just still haven’t quite wrapped my head around what the fuck he’s doing here.



It’s evident he hates Superman. But more than that, he seems to have an obsession with superheroes on Earth – or at the very least he’s been acquiring intel on them – getting web videos of some, pictures of others – there was more info than we were allowed to see – but it was all pretty lame anyways.



Luthor’s quirks were just annoying to me. There’s a part of me that hopes Lex Sr is also in a prison and gets out to retake over LexCorps in a future film. That’d be an easy fix.



The explosion that Lex causes was shocking, but the mason jar of piss kinda just ruined the whole thing by turning it into a crass joke. Which does underline how fucked in the head Lex was, but still – it was all in very bad taste.



I think, that leads to what was most wrong with Lex Luthor – they made him all in all, inappropriate. Cutely intellectual. The best thing to do with Lex in the film is when he throws Lois off the building to call Superman. That’s Lex. But also, this is the first reveal of Lex Luthor as a villain… his first time going to prison. So he’s trying to pull his first huge shenanigan – and if his final scene is to be believed, he’s set into motion something cosmic. What all did he learn in the Kryptonian Genetic Swimming pool ship? I’m hoping that upon multiple viewings, Lex’s character will seem less lame and more Machiavellian. I know those aspects are there – I just didn’t fully appreciate it cuz I was waiting to see what was going to happen. Plus it was taking too long to develop it felt like.



Then there’s SUPERMAN. The premise of making SUPERMAN the beautiful alien / Christ child from Krypton isn’t how to handle the character. He isn’t an alien, he’s from Kansas. And having the character just say that… well, that’s not enough. The film is mainly from the Batman perspective and given this very threadbare version of SUPERMAN – it just doesn’t hold up well here. The worst scene is Arctic Pa Kent stacking stones. The audience I saw laughed at this scene, which is not at all the effect it was going for.



The film is a whole lot of build up, then they take the Frank Miller BATMAN SUPERMAN fight – and glue it to the DEATH OF SUPERMAN / DOOMSDAY plot – and it just… is such a limited scope for the characters. I mean, Batman meets Superman, fights Superman, calls Superman Friend, Then DOOMSDAY fight with Superman – and it just didn’t fly for me.



Part of the reason is Doomsday’s big blast power which was just dumb. Kinda like Luthor adding his DNA to make Doomsday… hated that. Sort of like how DOOMSDAY – the only thing that made him cool was that he was Brainiac’s guy – and we still don’t have Brainiac. Having Luthor create him in the Kryptonian Hatchery just felt… a bit much.



Now – if I just dismiss that Doomsday is Doomsday – and is instead a Cave Troll with Blast Powers – and I just enjoy the action… I gotta say, Wonder Woman with the Lasso around him, Batman hitting him with a Kryptonite Gas Grenade and Supes flying in with a Kryptonite Spear… helluva take down. In particular – the magic lasso with Wonder Woman holding him in place – that was super sweet looking.



The film felt a bit messy & erratic. We know the R-rated cut is 30 minutes longer – and we have to wonder what is missing? Personally, I could have done with 5 minutes of learning with Luthor on the ship. Apparently he learned how to communicate with entities unknown in the future.



These are my thoughts for the film based upon the first viewing. That said, I do have tickets for IMAX 3D this Saturday – and upon second viewing, if I see the film differently I will write another piece. One thing is certain, it didn’t send me over the moon like I wanted. I’m quite excited to see it again, as I can say I was expecting a bit of a different movie.



At the end of the film, there’s a thank you list to a whole lot of great artists and creators that have inspired the film. To see Curt Swan’s name there is pretty sweet, but I’d kill to see SUPERMAN be a bit more Swan-ish. Batman’s final talk with Wonder Woman gave me goosebumps – and vibrating dirt… I mean, who was surprised?



I don’t feel it is a bad movie, just one that I wish was even better – Now to see it again and see if it goes up or down in estimation.



Keep it cool,



Harry

 

[DAHITMAN]

 

[simonmarcel]

2nd viewing thoughts:

• Why would the world blame Supes for gunshot wounds in Africa and terrorists bombings in D.C.
• Who gives a fuck if you were raised on a farm and wrestled pigs? what was that for
• I am the only one who expected to see the fortress of solitude when Clark was visiting Happy Feet ?
• What was Lex's contingency plan for Doomsday after he killed Superman?
• I was expecting swim team Khal Drogo to pop up out of the water with the Krypto-Spear

• Why the hell is Zod's ship in an populated urban area? Area 51 not available
• Superman drops everything for Lois? he is Captain SaveHer

All these. I also wondered why they cut back to the fight with Doomsday and showed WW using her glowing lasso, with no explanation of where it came from.

 

[stretchwallz]

All these. I also wondered why they cut back to the fight with Doomsday and showed WW using her glowing lasso, with no no explanation of where it came from.

Where did her entire sword shield and costume come from? I couldn't get a camera tripod through the TSA

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

2nd viewing thoughts:

• Jesse Eisenberg is horrid, his story isn't clear. He hates Superman because he has issues with God(s) or because his dad beat him
• Why would the world blame Supes for gunshot wounds in Africa and terrorists bombings in D.C.
• Zorro poster at movies where Wayne and Martha Wayne are killed was clever. Batman was always a poor Zorro to me
• The Asian girl that was always with LexCorp was sacrificed by Lex at the Capitol bombing ? Damn
  
• Jimmy Olsen got killed in the first 6 minutes
• Wonder Woman rolled her eyes when Lex talked about Zues and Prometheus, she's Amazonian from Greek mythology so she knows Zues
• Lois and Clark have the sexual chemistry of Bill and Hilary Clinton during 1996
• Superman used to be football, apple pie, hope and the American way... Cavil is curling, pot pie, fear and the irratible bowel way
• Batman gives no fuck about killing or branding people in this film... Maybe he was pledging some new candidates Bat-Phi-Psi
• Alfred and Perry White were cast well and offered some acting chops
• Who gives a fuck if you were raised on a farm and wrestled pigs? what was that for
• If Supes can go outside of earth's atmosphere then why does he need to breathe in the Krypto-gas of Batman's
• Zack Snyder makes stunning visuals and SFX that saves this movie from being pure trash
• I am the only one who expected to see the fortress of solitude when Clark was visiting Happy Feet ?
• The film is soooo dark I was expecting Lestat to walk out and berate Bruce some
• The score/sound of the film is very dramatic
• What was Lex's contingency plan for Doomsday after he killed Superman?
• Doomsday made me look around for Gandolph and Aragon
• Superman is dumb as hell....why not give Wonder Woman the spear? Why not take Batman into outerspace?
• I was expecting swim team Khal Drogo to pop up out of the water with the Krypto-Spear
• Wonder Woman was enjoying the battle with Doomsday, her movie may be the one DC is looking for
• Batmobile and Batcave entrance in the lake was cool
• Superman had an open casket and Perry White was at the funeral ? His cover is blown
• Alfred is more than a butler...seems like an engineer and mechanic too
• Bruce wanted to hit Wonder Woman at the party... he even tried to let Clark know
• Only thing I wondered about Wonder Woman was where are the curves ?

• Why the hell is Zod's ship in an populated urban area? Area 51 not available
• Superman drops everything for Lois? he is Captain SaveHer
• The Flash looks faster than the CW's.... he knocked out the robber and made it back before his beverage hit the floor
• BvS is a much better film than MoS... the second weekend numbers will be crucial

so not only was Jimmy merked but so was Mercy Graves

 

[grownazzblakman]

All these. I also wondered why they cut back to the fight with Doomsday and showed WW using her glowing lasso, with no no explanation of where it came from.

Ummm... Wonder Woman has an invisible jet.... which also has an 'autopilot' feature.
Did you need to see it onscreen to know she has it?

Btw, her lasso is right at her side in the trailer footage & all the PR photos.

 

[ViCiouS]

Ummm... Wonder Woman has an invisible jet.... That also has an autopilot feature.
Did you need to see it onscreen to know she has it?

Btw, her lasso is right at her side in the trailer footage & all the PR photos.

did you see the movie?

 

[grownazzblakman]

This movie was GREAT.
Forget the naysayers.

Overall I give it a solid ‘A-’.

It was a deep, DRAMATIC FILM. Told from a grown-up perspective. (Not just a ‘movie’)
And it took a ‘more mature’ approach to whole debate of… ‘God vs Man’.

Surprisingly, it even pushes the superhero genre more into the ‘serious drama’ category more than any other Marvel or DC movie has done in years. (The only other 2 movies that do it in a similar fashion are The Dark Knight & Winter Soldier, imo)

I wasn’t expecting the story to be THIS dramatic & so nuanced.
And all the ‘continuity’ from MoS was ON POINT. From start to Finish.

I can definitely see how folks who may like more non-stop ‘action scenes’ and catchy ‘one liners’ in their superhero movies probably won’t like this BvS movie as much as other superhero movies.

They did a great job using source material from comic books, animated films, video games & previous movies to craft the whole storyline.

The only ‘complaint’ I had was…….. Lex Luthor, of course.

In my opinion, Bryan Cranston (‘Walter White’ from Breaking Bad) really should have been Lex Luthor in this movie…. instead of Jesse Eisenberg.

Out of everyone… Jesse was miscast. He just didn’t ‘bring it’ like the others did.
Because he ’tried way too hard’ to portray something/someone he is not.

Jesse can play a condescending, smartass ‘geek’, very, very well.
That’s in his wheelhouse. All day.

But he reeeeaaaally struggled with the ‘nuance’ and ‘intimidation’ part of Lex’s persona.

He was missing that whole DEADLY SERIOUS…. ’don’t fuck with me’-vibe…. that Lex Luthor is usually KNOWN for.

Jesse’s version of Lex would take over a small city full of ‘hipsters’… but not rule the entire planet Earth. I just wasn’t buying it.

All the other actors really ‘got into their roles’.

Like Jeremy Irons & Gal Gadot…. But especially, Ben Affleck.

He has finally found his very own ‘franchise’ character that he can make a few blockbuster ’sequels’ with - like his buddy Matt Damon did with ‘Jason Bourne’.

But Jesse tried to pull a Heath Ledger… and create quirky bi-polar mannerisms & responses that did not fit with ‘his true intentions’.

His ‘acting choices’ seemed more like random outbursts from a Tourette Syndrome patient… than the sinister & subtle 'game of deception' that Lex Luthor has mastered.

If you are playing Lex Luthor…. I say Less is More.
A striking glare. Clenched teeth. A sinister whisper. A sharp command. A chippy response. Shit like that. Then add your own 'extras' on top of it.

Lex’s personality is more like… OK, I’ll indulge your witty banter…. but only up until the point I get bored or distracted… then I will probably kill you & all your men very quickly somehow, right before my next meeting. (without even a second thought )

I’m a busy man.

But other than that, I thought the movie (as a whole) was very well thought out.
Some folks think the storyline is ‘convoluted’ but not me.

They took the time to tie together quite a few different story arcs from various source material.
Plus the setup of seeing other members of the Justice League was nice.

The Flash using the Speed Force. That was DOPE imo.
(We gonna see that scene again, whenever they make a Justice League movie and travels back in time. )

Plus, I loved all the dream sequences. That was a nice touch, imo.
The dream sequences are a part of Batman’s PTSD, so to speak.

Basically, he has nightmares of a totalitarian planet that is dominated by Superman, where people worship him and nothing ‘thrives’ on its own anymore. (Except worldwide mayhem & suffering. )

Personally, i did not think the ‘winged creatures’ were Darkseid’s minions.

I thought they were just Bat-like Men.

Since it’s a nightmare… it would be fitting that the very symbol / metaphor that Batman utilizes THE MOST to ‘strike fear into his enemies’…. would absolutely HAUNT him in his VERY OWN hellish dreams.

The psychology of it… was Well played.

Btw, the kryptonite-tipped spear is DIRECTLY revamped from the opening credits of the DCUO video game which has been out for 6 years, since 2010.

Instead of Lex Luthor wielding it… Zach Snyder puts a twist on it…. and gave it to Batman:



The Flash travels back in time to warn Batman, by using the Speed Force.

He tells Bruce that ‘Lois Lane is the key’… and later in the movie we see Lois IS THE KEY to preventing Batman from killing Superman with the spear.

So yeah, It makes COMPLETE sense…. IF…. you are familiar with the DCUO video game.


Sidenote: I like how Zod’s main ship is STILL right where it landed when Superman destroyed it in MoS. They just covered it up from the general public by erecting a temporary ‘military-only access’ structure all around it. Good continuity.

 

[grownazzblakman]

did you see the movie?

Yes. I did. 6pm show. In 3D.

 

[ViCiouS]

Yes. I did. 6pm show. In 3D.

so - if ww has an invisible plane with auto pilot why is she flying commercial? and did she seem to be carrying any gear with her when she was on that plane?

my answer to her weapons and shield is they all have magical properties - so why not shrinking?

 

[grownazzblakman]

so - if ww has an invisible plane with auto pilot why is she flying commercial? and did she seem to be carrying any gear with her when she was on that plane?

C'mon son. Do you really need that explained to you?

That's like asking.... if you own a tricked-out stretch Limo + had a personal Chauffeur.... why would you EVER 'drive yourself' around in a Lexus? Or a Jeep Wrangler? Or any other car?

Does Bruce Wayne drive his Batmobile to the grocery store?

 

[ViCiouS]

C'mon son. Do you really need that explained to you?

That's like asking.... if you own a tricked-out stretch Limo + had a personal Chauffeur.... why would you EVER 'drive yourself' around in a Lexus? Or a Jeep Wrangler? Or any other car?

whats your logic? her flying commercial is not the same as driving yourself.
you said her jet had autopilot... so why would she fly commercial?

I'll take it one step further- my answer to her weapons and shield is they all have magical properties - so why not shrinking? As for jet - it also has various magical properties, at one time it was alive, others she has telepathic control of it, or magic does it for her- so again, why would she fly commercial?

 

[grownazzblakman]

whats your logic? her flying commercial is not the same as driving yourself.
you said her jet had autopilot... so why would she fly commercial?

I'll take it one step further- my answer to her weapons and shield is they all have magical properties - so why not shrinking? As for jet - it also has various magical properties, at one time it was alive, others she has telepathic control of it, or magic does it for her- so again, why would she fly commercial?

My logic is this.... She's dressed as Diana Prince at the time She saw the news report... Doing Diana Prince shit... Not Wonder Woman shit.... So like most people who keep some gear in the trunk of their car... HER battle gear is most likely in her invisible jet... Since that is the only 'battle vehicle' she has ...Which she probably summoned on 'autopilot' once she get off the commercial plane.

Ask yourself.... How did she get from the airport all the way to the area they were fighting Doomsday?

Did she magically 'unshrink' her gear, then just 'hail a cab' to the battlezone from the airport?

Why do you need SO MUCH spelled out for you?

It's just a movie.

 

[ViCiouS]

My logic is this.... She's dressed as Diana Prince at the time She saw the news report... Doing Diana Prince shit... Not Wonder Woman shit.... So like most people who keep some gear in the trunk of their car... HER battle gear is most likely in her invisible jet... Since that is the only 'battle vehicle' she has ...Which she probably summoned on 'autopilot' once she get off the plane.

Ask yourself.... How did she get from the airport all the way to the area they were fighting Doomsday?

Did she magically 'unshrink' her gear, then just 'hail a cab' to the battlezone from the airport?

Why do you need SO MUCH spelled out for you?

It's just a movie.

if she has a plane...
you used a plane that was not introduced in the story as her magical caddy - I gave you multiple simple ways her character could fly coach and keep her weapons, to illustrate the laziness of this script...
its still a story - its coherent or it isn't

 

[simonmarcel]

My logic is this.... She's dressed as Diana Prince at the time She saw the news report... Doing Diana Prince shit... Not Wonder Woman shit.... So like most people who keep some gear in the trunk of their car... HER battle gear is most likely in her invisible jet... Since that is the only 'battle vehicle' she has ...Which she probably summoned on 'autopilot' once she get off the commercial plane.

Ask yourself.... How did she get from the airport all the way to the area they were fighting Doomsday?

Did she magically 'unshrink' her gear, then just 'hail a cab' to the battlezone from the airport?

Why do you need SO MUCH spelled out for you?

It's just a movie.

Yo, I thought you were bullshitting at first. They don't need to explain any of that but they need to explain what Kryptonite is?

 

[grownazzblakman]

if she has a plane...
you used a plane that was not introduced in the story as her magical caddy - I gave you multiple simple ways her character could fly coach and keep her weapons, to illustrate the laziness of this script...
its still a story - its coherent or it isn't

I referenced a plane that was not introduced in the story???
Magical caddy???

Hey, guess what...

- Wonder Woman been around for over 40+ YEARS.
- And she's had an invisible jet for over 40+ YEARS.
- They even made cartoons back in the 1970's with her flying that shit all around.
- Plus a live-action tv show starring Linda Carter flying that shit all around.

That's just 'general knowledge' if you ever picked up a comic book as a kid, or watched the Superfriends, or saw the TV show.

Personally, I do not NEED to see her plane 'introduced' into this movie....to KNOW that she has one.
But apparently, YOU DO.

Seems you need everything spoon-fed to you.

 

[grownazzblakman]

Yo, I thought you were bullshitting at first. They don't need to explain any of that but they need to explain what Kryptonite is?

Ummm.... maybe we didn't see the same movie... But I thought they were explaining WHERE the 'massive amount' of Kryptonite came from.

And in so doing... they ALSO explained its effect on Kryptonians. (Especially since there wasn't any actual 'Kryptonite' in Man of Steel and this was a continuation of that movie)

Whether they explained it or not.... it's not a big deal for me.
Because I didn't walk into the movie theater without ANY prior knowledge of these heroes (or their powers) whatsoever.

But that's just me.

 

[ViCiouS]

I referenced a plane that was not introduced in the story???
Magical caddy???

Hey, guess what...

- Wonder Woman been around for over 40+ YEARS.
- And she's had an invisible jet for over 40+ YEARS.
- They even made cartoons back in the 1970's with her flying that shit all around.
- Plus a live-action tv show starring Linda Carter flying that shit all around.

That's just 'general knowledge' if you ever picked up a comic book as a kid, or watched the Superfriends, or saw the TV show.

Personally, I do not NEED to see her plane 'introduced' into this movie....to KNOW that she has one.
But apparently, YOU DO.

Seems you need everything spoon-fed to you.

following your lack of logic, this movie falls apart -
If we assume weapons and paraphernalia from the books exist in this flick for the other characters the same way you did for ww...

its either a coherent story or it isn't

 

[grownazzblakman]

following your lack of logic, this movie falls apart -
If we assume weapons and paraphernalia from the books exist in this flick for the other characters the same way you did for ww...

its either a coherent story or it isn't

Wait a sec...You are the person who needs to SEE exactly how Wonder Woman travels from 'point A' to 'point B' anytime she appears onscreen... or needs to know where she keeps her sword & shield.... or needs to know WHY she's even on a commercial plane, dressed as a civilian.... doing civilian shit.

- Why she on a plane? Where she going?
- Where she put her shield at? in the overhead bin?
- Where's her lasso at? with the rest of the luggage under the plane?
- How can she even get on a commercial flight with a big ass sword?
- How she change her clothes so fast?
- How she get thru airport security?
- How come she ain't set off the metal detectors?

So according to your logic.... the movie is incoherent & falls apart..... because all that bullshit wasn't explained to the audience.

Ok, I get it.

 

[simonmarcel]

Another thing, maybe I missed it but did they ever say what Lex gave the government dude to get access to the spaceship and Zod's body?

 

[jasonblacc]

Another thing, maybe I missed it but did they ever say what Lex gave the government dude to get access to the spaceship and Zod's body?

A cherry Jolly Rancher

 

[ViCiouS]

Wait a sec...You are the person who needs to SEE exactly how Wonder Woman travels from 'point A' to 'point B' anytime she appears onscreen... or needs to know where she keeps her sword & shield.... or needs to know WHY she's even on a commercial plane, dressed as a civilian.... doing civilian shit.

- Why she on a plane? Where she going?
- Where she put her shield at? in the overhead bin?
- Where's her lasso at? with the rest of the luggage under the plane?
- How can she even get on a commercial flight with a big ass sword?
- How she change her clothes so fast?
- How she get thru airport security?
- How come she ain't set off the metal detectors?

So according to your logic.... the movie is incoherent & falls apart..... because all that bullshit wasn't explained to the audience.

Ok, I get it.

hey - I gave a simple plausible rational for the weapons while staying in the frame of this film...
they have magical properties...

you came with the plane as an explanation
so I asked you, why would she do airport security if she has a private jet?

Look IMO the writing is weak - I know you will never agree or see the leaps in logic after all
Snyder never acknowledged teleporting Lois in MoS so why would he pay attention to logistics for ww in this movie?

 

[grownazzblakman]

Another thing, maybe I missed it but did they ever say what Lex gave the government dude to get access to the spaceship and Zod's body?

Lex Luthor struck a deal with the Senator.
Lex gets access to the spaceship & Zod's Body.
In exchange, Lex agrees to 'weaponize' the Kryptonite. (which he was probably gonna do anyway)
Senator Barrows thought he would take control of the weapons that could defeat Superman.
He wanted the type of 'power' only Lex could provide, if they agreed to work together.

 

[grownazzblakman]

hey - I gave a simple plausible rational for the weapons while staying in the frame of this film...
they have magical properties...

you came with the plane as an explanation
so I asked you, why would she do airport security if she has a private jet?

Look IMO the writing is weak - I know you will never agree or see the leaps in logic after all
Snyder never acknowledged teleporting Lois in MoS so why would he pay attention to logistics for ww in this movie?

Correction... I gave an explanation that was 'general knowledge' that TONS of people have known for a long time. Except you.

You just want silly answers to dumb questions nobody really cares about, so you can have something to nitpick about the film.... then claim the writing is weak.

You sound just like the Flash in this clip.



Oh my bad, there I go posting stuff that is 'general knowledge' again.

 

[ViCiouS]

Correction... I gave an explanation that was 'general knowledge' that TONS of people have known for a long time. Except you.

You just want silly answers to dumb questions nobody really cares about, so you can have something to nitpick about the film.... then claim the writing is weak.

You sound just like the Flash in this clip.



Oh my bad, there I go posting stuff that is 'general knowledge' again.

its "general knowledge" that Superman NEVER kills and Batman refuses to use handguns and won't kill...
ok - general knowledge, without logic... enjoy

 

[Joe Money]

But see, it sounds like your issue is that his reasoning differed from the source material more than his reasoning not being justified. I think his rationale was explained. He faulted him for the destruction, used that anger and resentment as a release for other anger and resentment he felt, and viewed superman as a potential threat to humanity that he should extinguish before it had opportunity to cause more destruction.

Also keep in mind he is dealing with the death and regret of losing Robin (something im surprised more havent discussed), and probably feels it could have been prevented had he been more proactive in eliminating that threat. So i viewed it as him being more adamant on snuffing out lingering threats at any cost and accepting himself as the lesser evil.

It was alot going on in that movie man. Shame its gotten such bad reviews.

Exactly. People seem to overlook the "he brought the war to us" remark when Bruce Wayne was talking to Alfred. But what's this about Robin? I must have missed that.

Most of the bad reviews are from people who want this movie and the DC Universe on the big screen to be like Marvel's. Light-hearted with wisecracks and shit like that. Or that have some kind of childhood attachment to Batman and Superman that they can't let go of.

A bit off topic but this is from this thread and needs to be addressed...



I more than disagree with your assessment. In this case you should not challenge the general consensus on BGOL. I'll admit she has a sexiness to her and is pretty in the face. And sexiness can more than make up for lack of booty without a problem but I'm sorry that does not past mustard here... There are about 3 general levels (which have other levels with them). Most women fall in the first two but the 3rd is not that numerous and when you fall in there it take a lot of other qualities to overcome it...


1. Has Booty
2. Doesn't really have a booty
3. Owe Booty or Negative Booty....

This woman falls into the 3rd category. Do you not remember "Fast & Furious"(2009) Here is a reminder of her owing booty(NEGATIVE Booty...):



In this Batman v Superman movie they showcased her well by not showing this...as long as she hasn't gotten any thicker in that area in the past 6-7 years they need to do what they did with this move stay away from shots that would accentuate that absence of body...

It's Hollywood man. Skinny-ass Angelina Jolie can beat up grown Russian soldiers as S.A.L.T. and skinny-ass Zoe Saldana can beat up assassins as Colombiana. They always want to cast a sub 110 lbs woman in these kinds of roles. Yeah, I'd prefer to see a more "realistic" looking woman as Wonder Woman; at least one with some muscle and definition to her body. That said, I still liked Gal Gadot in this.

People are not going to stand a lack of cheesy one liners in a super hero movie.

I like how half the people pointing out that this movie has no plot also love the Avengers, which basically has no plot.

But it has corny jokes and one liners.

Exactly. They want a fun "kiddie" movie or something.

 

[Joe Money]

Batman v Superman On Track for March Box-Office Record

Who would win in a fight between Batman and Superman? The answer, of course, is Warner Bros. Early reports are indicatingthat Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is on track to earn more than $78 million today and somewhere between $160 to $175 million by the end of the weekend. That would make it clobber the current record for a March opening weekend, held by 2012's The Hunger Games, which clocked in around $152.5 million. A significant portion of this weekend's ticket sales come from massive preorders made before the tentpole flick's massively negative reviews started rolling in. The next few weeks will reveal whether those critical words just bounce off of the movie like so many bullets fired at Superman's bulging pecs.

http://www.vulture.com/2016/03/batman-v-superman-march-record.html

 

[Big Tex]

I could see if a critic said "It wasn't great." But critics saying it's one of the worst movies ever, catastrophically bad are full of shit.

Go watch Transformers 2, then get back to me. Hell, go watch Age of Ultron.

 

[grownazzblakman]

its "general knowledge" that Superman NEVER kills and Batman refuses to use handguns and won't kill...
ok - general knowledge, without logic... enjoy

That's not general knowledge. You're wrong.

- 'General knowledge' is.... knowing that Batman drives a Batmobile.
- 'General Knowledge' is.... knowing that Superman is from another planet (that is not called earth).
- 'General knowledge' is.... knowing who Alfred is.

Basic shit like that.

Knowing that Superman never kills (humans)... Or that Batman doesn't use guns... is SPECIFIC knowledge about their personal 'code of honor'.

Most people do not know that much detail about their individual morals.

And as for Batman using guns.... Batman is known to use a variety of Gadget Guns... that do all sorts of things.

In this movie he used a shotgun to fire Kryptonite smoke-filled bullets at Superman.
Which is just another gadget gun.

The other guns that he may/or may not have fired were either seen in a nightmare / dream sequence, or he was re-directing the guns that goons were pointing at him, and using their own weapons against themselves.

I don't even see how you could be upset by that. That's exactly HOW Batman fights 'mobs of enemies'.
Unless you are not paying attention to the context at all... and just see Batman holding a gun.

Soooo.... Batman fights 10 guys at a time... and makes a goon fire his own gun at another goon (who is also holding a gun).... and somehow that is faulty logic & bad writing??? Cmon bruh.

And btw, Superman had already killed Zod in the comics back in the 1980's... long before he ever killed him onscreen 30+ years later.

Not sure why it doesn't make any logical sense to you.

- Superman killed Zod in the comics over 30+ years ago...
- He also killed Zod at the end of Superman 2 movie...
- And also he killed Zod in Man of Steel, most recently.

Zod has been killed by Superman multiple times. In print & onscreen.

It's safe to say that Superman only kills his enemies.... 'when he's forced to do so'.... or has no other choice.

Otherwise, he probably won't.

 

[bksoldier]

2nd viewing thoughts:

• Jesse Eisenberg is horrid, his story isn't clear. He hates Superman because he has issues with God(s) or because his dad beat him
• Why would the world blame Supes for gunshot wounds in Africa and terrorists bombings in D.C.
• Zorro poster at movies where Wayne and Martha Wayne are killed was clever. Batman was always a poor Zorro to me
• The Asian girl that was always with LexCorp was sacrificed by Lex at the Capitol bombing ? Damn
• Jimmy Olsen got killed in the first 6 minutes
• Wonder Woman rolled her eyes when Lex talked about Zues and Prometheus, she's Amazonian from Greek mythology so she knows Zues
• Lois and Clark have the sexual chemistry of Bill and Hilary Clinton during 1996
• Superman used to be football, apple pie, hope and the American way... Cavil is curling, pot pie, fear and the irratible bowel way
• Batman gives no fuck about killing or branding people in this film... Maybe he was pledging some new candidates Bat-Phi-Psi
• Alfred and Perry White were cast well and offered some acting chops
• Who gives a fuck if you were raised on a farm and wrestled pigs? what was that for
• If Supes can go outside of earth's atmosphere then why does he need to breathe in the Krypto-gas of Batman's
• Zack Snyder makes stunning visuals and SFX that saves this movie from being pure trash
• I am the only one who expected to see the fortress of solitude when Clark was visiting Happy Feet ?
• The film is soooo dark I was expecting Lestat to walk out and berate Bruce some
• The score/sound of the film is very dramatic
• What was Lex's contingency plan for Doomsday after he killed Superman?
• Doomsday made me look around for Gandolph and Aragon
• Superman is dumb as hell....why not give Wonder Woman the spear? Why not take Batman into outerspace?
• I was expecting swim team Khal Drogo to pop up out of the water with the Krypto-Spear
• Wonder Woman was enjoying the battle with Doomsday, her movie may be the one DC is looking for
• Batmobile and Batcave entrance in the lake was cool
• Superman had an open casket and Perry White was at the funeral ? His cover is blown
• Alfred is more than a butler...seems like an engineer and mechanic too
• Bruce wanted to hit Wonder Woman at the party... he even tried to let Clark know
• Only thing I wondered about Wonder Woman was where are the curves ?

• Why the hell is Zod's ship in an populated urban area? Area 51 not available
• Superman drops everything for Lois? he is Captain SaveHer
• The Flash looks faster than the CW's.... he knocked out the robber and made it back before his beverage hit the floor
• BvS is a much better film than MoS... the second weekend numbers will be crucial

Good Observation but you got a few wrong. Jimmy wasn't with Lois in Africa that was CIA. I thought that was captain marvel but it was flash in the stores didnt peep it. I didnt like the batcar and batwing designs.

 

[fonzerrillii]

Still can get over this movie.....

In what fucking world would you have Gotham and Metropolis right next to each other. You can literally see the bat signal from metropolis. So why is there any crime in Gotham.... When you have Batman and superman to deal with all the fucking time. Also... Are you telling me that it took 18 months for batman to meet superman when they are only separated by a Bay. It isn't like Batman just appeared out of no where.

Also why in the fuck would Bruce Wayne need a Wayne enterprises building in metropolis when Gotham city is literally across some water. Shouldn't a stock holder say.... Bruce this might be a little wasteful, you already have the exact same thing here in Gotham.


The more I think about it. The stupider this movie is.