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after following this thread...

Employer needs pay stub/W-2 in interview
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=650475​

I got a question about potential employers contacting previous employers...

what EXACTLY can they SAY and NOT SAY about your previous employment and what can be asked in reference to it???

ALSO:

If you have a gap ion your employment for reasons you dont want to put on your resume (nothing illegal...personal reasons, surgery/health issues)

However...those issues are no longer a concern how best can you address them to potential employers???

If you change around dates of leave off employers and just withhold certain info is that considered lying???

thanx fam
 
playahaitian said:
after following this thread...

Employer needs pay stub/W-2 in interview
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=650475​

I got a question about potential employers contacting previous employers...

what EXACTLY can they SAY and NOT SAY about your previous employment and what can be asked in reference to it???

ALSO:

If you have a gap ion your employment for reasons you dont want to put on your resume (nothing illegal...personal reasons, surgery/health issues)

However...those issues are no longer a concern how best can you address them to potential employers???

If you change around dates of leave off employers and just withhold certain info is that considered lying???

thanx fam
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They can give start date end date and job title

They can only confirm your employment and what you did legally.


Thats also why when they ask for references they ask for managers and they will ask would you hire him again or work with him.

They can also tell if you skipping positions you give references from.

Or if you leave a position enitrely off your application or resume
 
Number you questions Bro.

Answers:
1. Get friends/family to call your references as if they are your new potential employers. Hear what they have to say.
Screen your references that way.
It is illegal for a past employers to say anything negative however it doesn't help you case if they say nothing so leave those references off your list.
maybe look at asking clients of your company etc...

2. Gaps can be covered by training reasons, started a business, independent consulting

3. You can leave off employers, no harm done.
Changing around dates can backfire if they decide to reach out to your former employers to verify dates especially if your experience is lacking.
e.g. if you show working as a Project manager for 5 years vs 1 or 2 yrs, they may want to verify your experience.



Hope this helps......


:cool:
 
kayanation said:
Number you questions Bro.

Answers:
1. Get friends/family to call your references as if they are your new potential employers. Hear what they have to say.
Screen your references that way.
It is illegal for a past employers to say anything negative however it doesn't help you case if they say nothing so leave those references off your list.
maybe look at asking clients of your company etc...

2. Gaps can be covered by training reasons, started a business, independent consulting

3. You can leave off employers, no harm done.
Changing around dates can backfire if they decide to reach out to your former employers to verify dates especially if your experience is lacking.
e.g. if you show working as a Project manager for 5 years vs 1 or 2 yrs, they may want to verify your experience.



Hope this helps......


:cool:
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if you got anymore on this topic ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE EMPLOYMENT GAP STUFF???

would be great:D

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MaximusBlaque said:
Previous employers can only verify that you worked there and other pertinent info. ​
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but do remember that ALOT can be communicated while giving those small pieces of info.

You'd be surprised how many different ways a former manager or hr person can change your perception of what they are saying thru their tone or by adding a "hmm"' and a few sighs.
 
themainman said:
but do remember that ALOT can be communicated while giving those small pieces of info.

You'd be surprised how many different ways a former manager or hr person can change your perception of what they are saying thru their tone or by adding a "hmm"' and a few sighs.
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A manager used as a reference can give whatever information they choose to.

The rule of only confirming employment and position on applies to HR.

SO you better be careful who yo list if you were a fuck up.
 
ballscout1 said:
A manager used as a reference can give whatever information they choose to.

The rule of only confirming employment and position on applies to HR.

SO you better be careful who yo list if you were a fuck up.
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Yea I'm assuming most would not give a reference that they think would hurt them but yea some people have a different perception of their standing with their former boss so its best just to ask anybody you plan on using as a reference... if you can use them. That gives any bad references a chance to speak up and say nah I can't vouch for you son.

In my experience, most managers arent gonna say much on the negative side though. They would just not respond to the request or they'd say alot by saying very little.
 
Yep on the screening. You never put anyone down that you don't know what they will say.

And yes what they legally can say and what they choose to say can be 2 vastly different things. Problem is your new position isn't going to call you and say hey why did your old boss say you sleep at your desk? You just won't get a call back.
 
g0nbad real bad said:
Yep on the screening. You never put anyone down that you don't know what they will say.

And yes what they legally can say and what they choose to say can be 2 vastly different things. Problem is your new position isn't going to call you and say hey why did your old boss say you sleep at your desk? You just won't get a call back.
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^^^^
 
Ill try to be a succinct as possible. You have received a lot of good advice.

1. what a employer can and will communicate is also dependent on the state and company policy. More and more companies now are going to the 1800 work verification bc of lawsuits that were launched against companies and management that either inferred or stated negative things about applicants. This is of course varied on the position. My previous company got sued a few times over this very issue bc certain managers got too big for their pants and felt that could get slick with references which ended up costing the company money on the back end.

2. its HRs job to protect the company NOT YOU. SO if you have any doubts about a reference, don't put them on the application. Talk with all of them before hand.

3If you lie on a resume and get caught, its grounds for termination. Its ok to leave things off, draw attention to relevant skillsets, but don't lie.

4. if you have gaps in employment, then based on what you did with that time, it should not hurt you unless the gap was extensive or unexplainable..ie you were locked up. otherwise, volunteer work is an excellent filler, education, personal courses toward goals, nursing a sick family member (this is good esp since it shows you family means a lot or you are well grounded/have roots), another one that you could use was taking a sabbatical--> this works better if you are white but if you took time to travel, gain life experiences, or see another part of the world. these all work in your favor esp if you can tell the interviewer how it has benefitted you as a person. Say if you traveled to china, Canada, Europe, or south america.... only the bros on BGOL know you went to get the GFE experience in brazil but employers like to see a well rounded person who has experienced the world and knows that companies complete on a global level not just here in the US.


if you have any other questions HMU. I enjoy helping people find jobs and advising them on the search bc there is a lot to the game they we always seem to learn the hard way. when I worked in HR, I saw the corporate underbelly and all the dirt that goes on behind closed doors. So believe me, get your A game together bc the game aint fair at all.
 
register your own LLC with a registered agent in the state your live in.
use your own company as the gap filler (consulting etc)
create your own damned pay stubs

shit is rather simple to do.
 
Moving Target said:
Ill try to be a succinct as possible. You have received a lot of good advice.

1. what a employer can and will communicate is also dependent on the state and company policy. More and more companies now are going to the 1800 work verification bc of lawsuits that were launched against companies and management that either inferred or stated negative things about applicants. This is of course varied on the position. My previous company got sued a few times over this very issue bc certain managers got too big for their pants and felt that could get slick with references which ended up costing the company money on the back end.

2. its HRs job to protect the company NOT YOU. SO if you have any doubts about a reference, don't put them on the application. Talk with all of them before hand.

3If you lie on a resume and get caught, its grounds for termination. Its ok to leave things off, draw attention to relevant skillsets, but don't lie.

4. if you have gaps in employment, then based on what you did with that time, it should not hurt you unless the gap was extensive or unexplainable..ie you were locked up. otherwise, volunteer work is an excellent filler, education, personal courses toward goals, nursing a sick family member (this is good esp since it shows you family means a lot or you are well grounded/have roots), another one that you could use was taking a sabbatical--> this works better if you are white but if you took time to travel, gain life experiences, or see another part of the world. these all work in your favor esp if you can tell the interviewer how it has benefitted you as a person. Say if you traveled to china, Canada, Europe, or south america.... only the bros on BGOL know you went to get the GFE experience in brazil but employers like to see a well rounded person who has experienced the world and knows that companies complete on a global level not just here in the US.


if you have any other questions HMU. I enjoy helping people find jobs and advising them on the search bc there is a lot to the game they we always seem to learn the hard way. when I worked in HR, I saw the corporate underbelly and all the dirt that goes on behind closed doors. So believe me, get your A game together bc the game aint fair at all.
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Good post
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You should whenever you get bored tell us whats really going on. I quit my last job with no plans just couldn't take it and my money was good so I could handle the long layoff but man the getting back into the whole job interview process was stressful. I studies sites that gave secrets on people that hired how little things like answering your phone saying just "Hello" can rub these punk asses the wrong way.

For my gap I used the start my own business which was a big reason why I quit my job figuring they would see more positives in a person that takes the proper steps in planning to take a risk like that to achieve a goal/dream. I was told by a company they were scared to hire me b/c they felt like I would leave if I got bored they hired me anyways :cool:
 
playahaitian said:

I got a question about potential employers contacting previous employers...

what EXACTLY can they SAY and NOT SAY about your previous employment and what can be asked in reference to it???]
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Anything they want and youll never know. THey can and will talk as freely as you tell one of your friends some gossip. If youre getting involved in a new field, youll probably get away with it and no one will be the wiser as long as you dont piss off the workplace troll and just blend in.

If youre moving within the same field you have a lot to worry about. Industries are surprisingly small worlds no matter how big they seem. People know each other cause theyre at conventions with each other, go to the same parties, hear the same names, stories get thrown around. People might forget names but they remember stories. My boss from my last job became a good friend. I use to roll around with him during the day to checkout new accounts and was in the car plenty of times when he was on the phone with other people in the same job field, other related fields, and sometimes even rival companies asking if they knew anything about a particular person what was applying for a job. I was also in on the conversations where he denied several people a job because of what he found out. There were several believable excuses that he would tell them. YOu never know how far a persons network reaches. Even at the my job now, our owners tell us who they met and had lunch with blah blah blah...Half the job of every HR person that ive ever met was to get out and meet people. If theyve been in the industry for a while they definitely have had drinks with people from staffing agencies.

As far as the gaps in unemployment.

This is why I tell people to stay productive when you are unemployed. Find some volunteer work, community work, pro bono work or a personal project. Dont lazily sit at home and do nothing. There is nothing more impressive to someone hiring you then to tell them that you volunteered or have something to show that was an experience during your time off. Craigslist is full of shit to get involved in. It shows that you can keep yourself occupied and initiative for being productive. When it comes to hiring people, youre really looking for someone who is going to fit in with the people you have working there.

In reality you can train any person with common sense to do anything you want them to do, but youre absolutely NOT going to waste your time trying to give someone the right attitude or motivation to want to do it. Youre going to give the job to someone who has some value. So make sure you have valuable things to put into your resume/Linkedin profile.
 
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solution to your problems.

1. Register a business name(s)or use a friend or family.
-This is your gap filler. You're an employee, give yourself a mid to high level title and know everything about the title you are saying you have by using LinkedIn and online resume profiles.


2. Create or use the family or friend business website that relates to your job experiences.

Research your job role, and be confident of the job skills needed.

No one really check deep.
it is criminal background check, few reference call(using friends and family) and check online to see if the business exist.

Fake it until you make it!

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playahaitian said:
after following this thread...

Employer needs pay stub/W-2 in interview
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=650475​

I got a question about potential employers contacting previous employers...

what EXACTLY can they SAY and NOT SAY about your previous employment and what can be asked in reference to it???

ALSO:

If you have a gap ion your employment for reasons you dont want to put on your resume (nothing illegal...personal reasons, surgery/health issues)

However...those issues are no longer a concern how best can you address them to potential employers???

If you change around dates of leave off employers and just withhold certain info is that considered lying???

thanx fam
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Ok here are some answers. You new employer can reach out to your old employer and ask the dates you worked there, your title, etc.

Concerning dates of employemnt if you have a gap in your resume you're going to need to be able to explain it. If it was cause of health issues you can say that and it shouldn't be a problem, unless it was mental heath issues.

Leaving off employers is considered lying if you were there for a long period of time. So if you worked at a place for a year and leave them off that might bite you in the ass if they do a full background and start adding up dates.
 
You can use family issues to explain gaps, but now things have stabilized and I am ready to work again 97% will never pry deeper than that because it's personal, and while you work at a place get cool with a manager and tell them to show love I know the manager at my old place does
 
While the advice given above is very sound, if you are currently unemployed, this may not be the best advice for landing a job quickly.

I am an advocate of fudging your resume. Never let a potential employer know you're currently unemployed. Employers, unless desperate, rarely want to hire an unemployed worker.

They prefer passive job candidates, or job seekers who are currently employed yet looking for a better position. Being unemployed is a tacit admission that your previous employer deemed you expendable.

With that said, make your last employer always be your current employer. Due to monetary concerns, the vast majority of employers do not begin the background verification process until an offer is made. Next, the vast majority of companies do not conduct a background search themselves, they contract it out.

These contractors get paid more when a candidate is verified than they do when a candidate's background is not verified. This is because in the past the contractors would deny any candidate with a whiff of inconsistency. This would allow them to get paid again to search for the next candidate and thus make more dough.

Now, these contractors want to get the candidate verified as quickly as possible. Even if you lie about your dates of employment, the contractor will say their is a discrepancy on the dates of work. All you have to do after that is fax them a fake paystub and voila, you're hired.

If you dont have anything to hide on your shit, be forthright and send them the shit. If you have gaps in employment or are currently unemployed, you can go the truthful route but, I guarantee you your job search be a bit longer. Its up to you what you want to do.
 
With regard to former employees, they can ask anything they want but your former employer will only likely tell them:
1) Dates of employment
2) Job title and last salary
3) Whether you're eligible for rehire
 
Never put start and end dates on your resume. It will make them call you to enquire. All ways included a cover letter. Consulting in employment gaps is pretty much the standard. As you move up into management or white collar jobs they don't call present and previous employers as much. Get a professionally done resume or get a current resume book with reviews on Amazon. A resume is a living document. If your not getting calls then tweak it until you do.
 

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