BGOL Ongoing Formula One Thread: 2025 Season
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Sky is not bad... And their production is watchable. We get it down here as well.
I'll leave it up to you to assess the commentators.
I have no issue with the commentators so far.
I'm still iffy about ESPN and how much respect they will give the broadcasts.
It's 12:56 am here in New Orleans, I'm guessing if something breaks in American sports, they will break into this broadcast.
One thing I will miss from NBCSN is the pre-race and post race shows, the off the grid specials and being able to see the full podium.
NBCSN was typically light on programming, except for their coverage of the English Premier League, so things could run long. ESPN is not going to allow that..so far, programming is starting 5 minutes before it's time to race and probably ending at the checkered flag.
Edit: Seems like the Sky Sports commentators can cue up replays themselves. On NBCSN they were at the mercy of the world feed for replays.
NBCSN was typically light on programming, except for their coverage of the English Premier League, so things could run long. ESPN is not going to allow that..so far, programming is starting 5 minutes before it's time to race and probably ending at the checkered flag.
Edit: Seems like the Sky Sports commentators can cue up replays themselves. On NBCSN they were at the mercy of the world feed for replays.
Consider watching on your PC using acestreams for back up purposes: www.reddit.com/r/motorsportsstreams (HD)... I actually use acestreams for most of the sports I follow.
acestream clients:
- sodaplayer.com/
- acestream.org
This is obviously for the fam in the USA
Rolex Australian Grand Prix Schedule on ESPN Networks (all times Eastern)
Thur., March 22
Practice 1 9 p.m. ESPN3
Friday, March 23
Practice 2 1 a.m. ESPN3
Practice 3 11 p.m. ESPNEWS
Sat., March 24
Qualifying 1.55 a.m. ESPN2
Sun., March 25
On the Grid 12:30 a.m. ESPN2
Race 1 a.m. ESPN2
Race (encore) 11 a.m. ESPN2
Race (encore) 1 p.m. ESPNEWS
Race (encore) 9 p.m. ESPNEWS
Rolex Australian Grand Prix Schedule on ESPN Networks (all times Eastern)
Thur., March 22
Practice 1 9 p.m. ESPN3
Friday, March 23
Practice 2 1 a.m. ESPN3
Practice 3 11 p.m. ESPNEWS
Sat., March 24
Qualifying 1.55 a.m. ESPN2
Sun., March 25
On the Grid 12:30 a.m. ESPN2
Race 1 a.m. ESPN2
Race (encore) 11 a.m. ESPN2
Race (encore) 1 p.m. ESPNEWS
Race (encore) 9 p.m. ESPNEWS
This is that bullshit. I went in to work half a day this morning and was gonna watch it when I got home... ESPN had that shit measured to the second. Ended up having to download the rest of qualy because of Bottas' wreck. This shit cant continue man... Them fuckers had womens basketball, and a re-run of Highly questionable on when they bumped FP3. They bought the rights and havent done shit else. I didnt see 1 damn commercial for it... The first race of the season and zero promotion, didnt hire anyone to be on site, and I get the feeling they dont care because Americans dont watch... They basically gave Sky a little bread to use their feed and called it day.
They basically gave Sky a little bread to use their feed and called it day.
The pre-race show seems to have technical difficulties and ESPN has switched to an episode of E:60
This is probably what ESPN will do in the event of a long rain delay, technical difficulty or long caution.
Ruining the sport? Mercedes and Ferrari the elevated it. Damon Hill forgot Vettel won all 4 of his Championship in a row under Renault.
Didn't he win it with the Red Bull team who were using Ferrari engines?
No, Redbull never ran Ferrari engines. Renault, and rebranded Renault. Vettel won a race in a Toro Rosso with a Ferrari engine.
I'm with Hamilton all the way, but that was a brilliant move on Ferrari's part.
ESPN's F1 Season Opener Broadcast Was A Catastrophe
Formula One is off to an interesting start in 2018. Ferrari’s Sebastian Vettel got lucky and took advantage of the virtual safety car to win the Australian Grand Prix opener, relegating perennial winner Lewis Hamilton to second place amid what Mercedes called a software problem. America’s Haas F1 seemed to be doing okay, until it wasn’t. And then for American fans there was the ESPN broadcast, which everyone agrees was an absolute disaster.
You’ll recall that F1 moved off its recent home on NBC’s networks to ESPN for 2018, but I sincerely hope that the issues that plagued the broadcast—a huge missing chunk of the pre-show, pervasive sound problems, commercials during key moments like race restarts, a poor handling of the Sky feed, and a lack of coverage of the Haas retirement—aren’t a preview of what’s to come.
If you saw the race you know what I’m talking about, but here’s a few reactions:
What a shame! This was indeed an interesting, good race, and American fans deserved better.
At the very least, the Worldwide Leader seems to have realized it screwed up here, tweeting out an apology to fans:
Formula One is off to an interesting start in 2018. Ferrari’s Sebastian Vettel got lucky and took advantage of the virtual safety car to win the Australian Grand Prix opener, relegating perennial winner Lewis Hamilton to second place amid what Mercedes called a software problem. America’s Haas F1 seemed to be doing okay, until it wasn’t. And then for American fans there was the ESPN broadcast, which everyone agrees was an absolute disaster.
You’ll recall that F1 moved off its recent home on NBC’s networks to ESPN for 2018, but I sincerely hope that the issues that plagued the broadcast—a huge missing chunk of the pre-show, pervasive sound problems, commercials during key moments like race restarts, a poor handling of the Sky feed, and a lack of coverage of the Haas retirement—aren’t a preview of what’s to come.
If you saw the race you know what I’m talking about, but here’s a few reactions:
What a shame! This was indeed an interesting, good race, and American fans deserved better.
At the very least, the Worldwide Leader seems to have realized it screwed up here, tweeting out an apology to fans:
There are advantages to having Martin Brundle and David Croft on site at the race but for us in America the advantage to having Leigh Diffey, David Hobbs and Steve Matchett in studio was that they would recap what happened when NBCSN would go to break.
That didn't happen this time because Brundle and Crofty's are commentating for their Sky Sports audience, which doesn't take commercial breaks
That didn't happen this time because Brundle and Crofty's are commentating for their Sky Sports audience, which doesn't take commercial breaks
Glad I didn’t try to stay up and watch it last night. I just downloaded the actual SkyF1 feed like I usually do with torrents. It’s generally uploaded Around 3-4 hrs after the race. I might re-up my SetTV subscription if I decide to watch it live. They have the BBC and Sky feed I believe as well.
As for the race , Ferrari has been making calls better from the pit lane than Mercedes who always seem to be caught slipping on some dumb strategy shit. It’s like it happens once a year. Maybe it’s because they’re not good at thinking on the backfoot.
Don’t know how Haas fucked up that badly literally minutes apart. If they held on to those positions which they probably would’ve they would’ve netted 22pts. Almost have the points they scored all last season. I know Gene was moving furniture after that race.
I really wanted STR to show McLaren up just for the Alonso rants, but I don’t know if it was a power deficit or the chassis just isn’t that good. Hartley was the only car lapped and after having a safety car more than halfway.
I’m looking for Stroll to take a seat by the second half of the season(for Kubica) if Sirotkin shows him up. I think he only went backwards today.
As for the race , Ferrari has been making calls better from the pit lane than Mercedes who always seem to be caught slipping on some dumb strategy shit. It’s like it happens once a year. Maybe it’s because they’re not good at thinking on the backfoot.
Don’t know how Haas fucked up that badly literally minutes apart. If they held on to those positions which they probably would’ve they would’ve netted 22pts. Almost have the points they scored all last season. I know Gene was moving furniture after that race.
I really wanted STR to show McLaren up just for the Alonso rants, but I don’t know if it was a power deficit or the chassis just isn’t that good. Hartley was the only car lapped and after having a safety car more than halfway.
I’m looking for Stroll to take a seat by the second half of the season(for Kubica) if Sirotkin shows him up. I think he only went backwards today.
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I've seen High School football games broadcasted on access tv handled better than that. That was a cluster fuck.
Andretti: F1 missed chance to adopt "pure" IndyCar design
Formula 1 missed out on IndyCar’s “pure-looking” single-seater when it introduced the 2017 cars that made overtaking more difficult, says Mario Andretti.
IndyCar switched to a universal aerokit in 2018 and banished the manufacturer aerokits, dramatically reducing the level of downforce on offer.
The decision was made in order to lower costs and improve racing. Four new teams joined for 2018 and the season-opener at St. Petersburg produced a record number of overtakes.
F1 meanwhile radically overhauled the rules package for the 2017 season with more aggressive and wider cars that targeted significantly faster laptimes, but at the expense of reducing overtaking.
Last weekend's Australian Grand Prix was particularly devoid of overtakes, with only five passes made after the first lap, leading to Max Verstappen branding the race "completely worthless".
Andretti told Motorsport.com that F1’s approach caused it to miss out on the “great job” IndyCar did with its 2018 changes.
“I think the [IndyCar] series, the management have done a great job in tweaking things,” he said.
“They’re doing the right thing with the aerodynamics of the cars and coming back to a more of a pure-looking single-seater, open-wheel car which I think was something all of the open-wheel aficionados wanted to see.
“Unfortunately, last year’s cars started looking more like a sports prototype car with all the winglets and all the bullshit that was hanging over, but what they’ve done, I think is personally [what] Formula 1 missed [out] on.
“They reduced the downforce of the car which is an element, they still gave them good downforce with the ground effect because it does not create turbulence. But with the smaller wings, you can stay near the guy’s gearbox and you can have a competitive overtake.
“I think personally that’s where F1 missed it, they gave them more mechanical grip with wider tyres that gave them bigger weights which created more turbulence.
“And by doing bigger wings, they shorten the braking points even further which eliminates almost the chance of overtaking.
“Yeah you have DRS and all that, which you really need more than ever now, but at the same time even with the DRS, you’ve got to be able to suck up to somebody’s gearbox coming off a corner and you cannot use DRS until you’re on the straightaway.”
Formula 1 missed out on IndyCar’s “pure-looking” single-seater when it introduced the 2017 cars that made overtaking more difficult, says Mario Andretti.
IndyCar switched to a universal aerokit in 2018 and banished the manufacturer aerokits, dramatically reducing the level of downforce on offer.
The decision was made in order to lower costs and improve racing. Four new teams joined for 2018 and the season-opener at St. Petersburg produced a record number of overtakes.
F1 meanwhile radically overhauled the rules package for the 2017 season with more aggressive and wider cars that targeted significantly faster laptimes, but at the expense of reducing overtaking.
Last weekend's Australian Grand Prix was particularly devoid of overtakes, with only five passes made after the first lap, leading to Max Verstappen branding the race "completely worthless".
Andretti told Motorsport.com that F1’s approach caused it to miss out on the “great job” IndyCar did with its 2018 changes.
“I think the [IndyCar] series, the management have done a great job in tweaking things,” he said.
“They’re doing the right thing with the aerodynamics of the cars and coming back to a more of a pure-looking single-seater, open-wheel car which I think was something all of the open-wheel aficionados wanted to see.
“Unfortunately, last year’s cars started looking more like a sports prototype car with all the winglets and all the bullshit that was hanging over, but what they’ve done, I think is personally [what] Formula 1 missed [out] on.
“They reduced the downforce of the car which is an element, they still gave them good downforce with the ground effect because it does not create turbulence. But with the smaller wings, you can stay near the guy’s gearbox and you can have a competitive overtake.
“I think personally that’s where F1 missed it, they gave them more mechanical grip with wider tyres that gave them bigger weights which created more turbulence.
“And by doing bigger wings, they shorten the braking points even further which eliminates almost the chance of overtaking.
“Yeah you have DRS and all that, which you really need more than ever now, but at the same time even with the DRS, you’ve got to be able to suck up to somebody’s gearbox coming off a corner and you cannot use DRS until you’re on the straightaway.”
No, this would never work. Indycar went to a spec series out of necessity not passing performance. Formula 1 started a group to look into aero rules back in 2009 that would be better for passing, but settled on DRS and tall/skinny rear wings. Instead of continuing the skunkworks to improve passing aero the FIA let the manufacturers talk them into this overly complicated engine formula that nobody liked. Liberty from what I understand is working on a new aero formula for better passing with Ross Brawn again, but it will take time of course. They need a revamp of the engine formula as well and of course what Ross Brawn presented is already being bitched about by Ferrari and Mercedes. Liberty needs to make PU changes and let Ferrari/Merc play their dumb posturing games about leaving. Ain't gonna happen, trust me.
Boom.
F1 must make effort to solve overtaking problem, says Brawn
Ross Brawn says the Australian Grand Prix missed the “vital ingredient” of overtaking and that the problem won’t be fixed until Formula 1 takes a structured approach towards rectifying it.
Only five overtakes were completed in the season-opening race following the first lap and Red Bull’s Max Verstappen said he would have turned the TV off rather than watch a “worthless” grand prix.
It came despite the fact the Albert Park track, known for being difficult to pass on, was bolstered with a third DRS zone in the hope of improving the wheel-to-wheel action.
Brawn, F1’s managing director of motorsports, admits that F1 missed out on a number of exciting battles in Australia because of the inability to overtake.
“One vital ingredient was missing, namely overtaking, as there were really very few passing moves in this opening round,” he said.
“It's vital that the cars are capable of getting close to one another and racing wheel to wheel.
“When there is only a small speed gap between two cars then it's almost impossible for the pursuer to get close enough to mount an attack.
“We saw that yesterday with [Lewis] Hamilton and [Sebastien] Vettel, Verstappen and [Kevin] Magnussen and again the Dutchman and [Fernando] Alonso and with [Daniel] Ricciardo and [Kimi] Raikkonen.
"Think of how much wheel-to-wheel dicing we missed out on. And, for the very first time, we even had a third DRS zone specifically to increase the chances of overtaking.”
F1’s current regulations were introduced in 2017 and played a part in the number of overtakes falling by almost 50 percent in its first year.
Brawn had set up a panel of independent panel of experts to better F1, including improving overtaking, and he says that a structured approach is needed to fix on-track passing.
“Until we take a structured approach to the problem, we won't really make any progress,” said Brawn.
“One of our aims, which we are looking at with the FIA and the teams is that, for 2021, we want to have cars that allow drivers to really fight one another on track.
“To that end, the FIA and F1 are carrying out an aerodynamic research programme with two car models, both in the windtunnel and using CFD.
“We need to evolve a car design that achieves close to the level of performance we now see but permits wheel-to-wheel action.”
Brawn added that pleasing fans is a big incentive to improve overtaking.
“Formula 1 fans want to see a better show and overtaking is the most exciting and spectacular element you can have on track,” he said.
“The whole Formula 1 community must make an effort to satisfy this need because the fans are our biggest asset.”
F1 must make effort to solve overtaking problem, says Brawn
Ross Brawn says the Australian Grand Prix missed the “vital ingredient” of overtaking and that the problem won’t be fixed until Formula 1 takes a structured approach towards rectifying it.
Only five overtakes were completed in the season-opening race following the first lap and Red Bull’s Max Verstappen said he would have turned the TV off rather than watch a “worthless” grand prix.
It came despite the fact the Albert Park track, known for being difficult to pass on, was bolstered with a third DRS zone in the hope of improving the wheel-to-wheel action.
Brawn, F1’s managing director of motorsports, admits that F1 missed out on a number of exciting battles in Australia because of the inability to overtake.
“One vital ingredient was missing, namely overtaking, as there were really very few passing moves in this opening round,” he said.
“It's vital that the cars are capable of getting close to one another and racing wheel to wheel.
“When there is only a small speed gap between two cars then it's almost impossible for the pursuer to get close enough to mount an attack.
“We saw that yesterday with [Lewis] Hamilton and [Sebastien] Vettel, Verstappen and [Kevin] Magnussen and again the Dutchman and [Fernando] Alonso and with [Daniel] Ricciardo and [Kimi] Raikkonen.
"Think of how much wheel-to-wheel dicing we missed out on. And, for the very first time, we even had a third DRS zone specifically to increase the chances of overtaking.”
F1’s current regulations were introduced in 2017 and played a part in the number of overtakes falling by almost 50 percent in its first year.
Brawn had set up a panel of independent panel of experts to better F1, including improving overtaking, and he says that a structured approach is needed to fix on-track passing.
“Until we take a structured approach to the problem, we won't really make any progress,” said Brawn.
“One of our aims, which we are looking at with the FIA and the teams is that, for 2021, we want to have cars that allow drivers to really fight one another on track.
“To that end, the FIA and F1 are carrying out an aerodynamic research programme with two car models, both in the windtunnel and using CFD.
“We need to evolve a car design that achieves close to the level of performance we now see but permits wheel-to-wheel action.”
Brawn added that pleasing fans is a big incentive to improve overtaking.
“Formula 1 fans want to see a better show and overtaking is the most exciting and spectacular element you can have on track,” he said.
“The whole Formula 1 community must make an effort to satisfy this need because the fans are our biggest asset.”
1 - Overtaking has never been a problem per se. The problem has always been one or two teams are always stronger than the rest but in the past the formula was sufficiently loose so other teams could compensate by design innovations. All the dreadful Tilke tracks don't help.
2 - Lewis ALWAYS has pit trouble in Australia for some reason. Even going back to McLaren.
3 - I think everyone agrees the coverage was dreadful.
4 - Everybody keeps forgetting that Ferrari holds up a lot of changes due to that stupid veto agreement they have. Nobody ever speaks on that. Ever.
2 - Lewis ALWAYS has pit trouble in Australia for some reason. Even going back to McLaren.
3 - I think everyone agrees the coverage was dreadful.
4 - Everybody keeps forgetting that Ferrari holds up a lot of changes due to that stupid veto agreement they have. Nobody ever speaks on that. Ever.
The only way to know if their assessment regarding passing became harder in F1 due to 2017 car modification is that someone other than Hamilton/Vettel or Räikkönen/Bottas pole. If any of those 4 drivers pole 1, 2, 3 the race is only for three of the 4. Say if Alonso or Grosjean pole will any of the prior 4 have difficult time passing Alonso or Grosjean?
I'm just arriving for 2018. I agree with all the other replies, but you must check out "1" which is a documentary on the whole history and "Senna" if only for when he won the Brazilian GP for the first time and how the country responded with news of his death and funeral.
Check out "1" for how it starts, explaining how safe the cars are now with Martin Brundle's flip in Australia in 97 (I think) and the old footage of the crashes and fires of the 60s and 70s.
I've been into F1 since I was given a John Player Special Lotus model car in the early 70s. When Emerson Fitipaldi was king of F1.
The sound of the F1 engines until 2014 was unbelievable. It was high pitched, the sound of up to 12 cyclnders spinning at 19,000 rpm with or without turbos. Yeah, you read that right. Now they're running V6 and sound like my old lawnmower.
Oh and Grid Girls? I bet somebody got salty that Lewis be tryna fuck 'em...
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Brawn: Overtaking problem to be solved in 2021
March 27, 2018 - by RacingCars - Leave a Comment
Formula 1’s managing director of motorsports Ross Brawn says the 2018 season opener represented another missed opportunity for the sport due to the difficulties faced trying to overtake with the current generation of cars.
“Think of how much wheel to wheel dicing we missed out on,” Brawn said. “For the very first time we even had a third DRS zone specifically to increase the chances of overtaking.
“It’s vital that the cars are capable of getting close to one another and racing wheel to wheel. We saw that with Hamilton and Vettel, Verstappen and Magnussen and again the Dutchman and Alonso and with Ricciardo and Raikkonen.
“Until we take a structured approach to the problem, we won’t really make any progress. One of our aims, which we are looking at with the FIA and the teams is that, for 2021, we want to have cars that allow drivers to really fight one another on track.
“The FIA and F1 are carrying out an aerodynamic research programme with two car models, both in the wind tunnel and using CFD. We need to evolve a car design that achieves close to the level of performance we now see, but permits wheel to wheel action.”
“F1 fans want to see a better show and overtaking is the most exciting and spectacular element you can have on track,” he said. “The whole Formula 1 community must make an effort to satisfy this need because the fans are our biggest asset.”
Brawn: Overtaking problem to be solved in 2021
March 27, 2018 - by RacingCars - Leave a Comment
Formula 1’s managing director of motorsports Ross Brawn says the 2018 season opener represented another missed opportunity for the sport due to the difficulties faced trying to overtake with the current generation of cars.
“Think of how much wheel to wheel dicing we missed out on,” Brawn said. “For the very first time we even had a third DRS zone specifically to increase the chances of overtaking.
“It’s vital that the cars are capable of getting close to one another and racing wheel to wheel. We saw that with Hamilton and Vettel, Verstappen and Magnussen and again the Dutchman and Alonso and with Ricciardo and Raikkonen.
“Until we take a structured approach to the problem, we won’t really make any progress. One of our aims, which we are looking at with the FIA and the teams is that, for 2021, we want to have cars that allow drivers to really fight one another on track.
“The FIA and F1 are carrying out an aerodynamic research programme with two car models, both in the wind tunnel and using CFD. We need to evolve a car design that achieves close to the level of performance we now see, but permits wheel to wheel action.”
“F1 fans want to see a better show and overtaking is the most exciting and spectacular element you can have on track,” he said. “The whole Formula 1 community must make an effort to satisfy this need because the fans are our biggest asset.”
Man... I saw a post on reddit about the number of ads that were shown during the live race by ESPN and I think that shit amounted to about 25 minutes of the actual race being cut off.
I'd lose my mind!!!
Pay TV is limited to the number of adverts they can show during a broadcast down here else the station gets fined by the government. There are zero ads during a live sport broadcast ...
I'd lose my mind!!!
Pay TV is limited to the number of adverts they can show during a broadcast down here else the station gets fined by the government. There are zero ads during a live sport broadcast ...
ESPN's F1 Season Opener Broadcast Was A Catastrophe
Formula One is off to an interesting start in 2018. Ferrari’s Sebastian Vettel got lucky and took advantage of the virtual safety car to win the Australian Grand Prix opener, relegating perennial winner Lewis Hamilton to second place amid what Mercedes called a software problem. America’s Haas F1 seemed to be doing okay, until it wasn’t. And then for American fans there was the ESPN broadcast, which everyone agrees was an absolute disaster.
You’ll recall that F1 moved off its recent home on NBC’s networks to ESPN for 2018, but I sincerely hope that the issues that plagued the broadcast—a huge missing chunk of the pre-show, pervasive sound problems, commercials during key moments like race restarts, a poor handling of the Sky feed, and a lack of coverage of the Haas retirement—aren’t a preview of what’s to come.
If you saw the race you know what I’m talking about, but here’s a few reactions:
What a shame! This was indeed an interesting, good race, and American fans deserved better.
At the very least, the Worldwide Leader seems to have realized it screwed up here, tweeting out an apology to fans:
Where you watching from?
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