Beyonce Gonna Get Sued .Again....

[Heist]

I thought her "Fembot" opening sequence last night was kind of hot and original ... or so I thought ... This chic loves using other people's material without permission (Des'ree)

I got this sent to me earlier today. The whole sequence was ripped off from Kylie Minoque's concert tour. The costume, move for move, sequence for sequence.

I'm sure Kylie's Production Company will be sending Mr. Knowles a little letter very shortly for payment for "Use of performance without consent."

Damn, Beyonce and Daddy Knowles should know better! You can't steal a signature opening sequence without paying someone, especially when you're as big as Beyonce and the show is being televised.

http://www.youtube.com/v/KtMdqVJUbjs

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[poorboy]

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[Heist]

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/KtMdqVJUbjs[/flash]

 

[Blunt]

Firtst of all, you don't have to ask "permission" to use a song. You just have to make sure the proper agencies are notified so that royalties are paid. Beyonce had nothing to do with that Des'Ree problem. The filing of the paperwork (via an agency that handles such things) was late for that song, as the album was rush-released.

Likewise, unless a specific part of an act is somehow copyrighted you can use anything you want from it. Most stage shows borrow from various sources. (And I doubt Beyonce was the choreograher or production designer.) Seems like that stuff on stage owed more to the classic silent film Metropolis (and has been used lots of times over the years) than anything else. Kylie Minogue would likely be grateful to have her act "stolen" by someone on Beyonce's level, though it really wasn't.

 

[Steelwill2006]

Ummmmmm....you cannot sue on the grounds on someone copying your opening performance. Rappers imitate each other all the time with the silly hand gestures and what not. It must be a trademark or signature move identifiable with the person in question.

 

[Ultramagnetic]

Well I agree with those above but..................................this isn't the first time her staging and performance sequences have been copied from other artists. Its nothing legally wrong with doing that but it would be nice if it was an original idea..........

 

[THE GRANDJURY]

Ummmmmm....you cannot sue on the grounds on someone copying your opening performance. Rappers imitate each other all the time with the silly hand gestures and what not. It must be a trademark or signature move identifiable with the person in question.

Yeah if that was the case Michael Jackson would be getting paid by Usher, Ginuine, Justin Timberlake, and now Ne-Yo for their performances

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

there was an article somewhere that showed how B would copy ALL the major female performer's acts.

same sets, same outfits.

but y'know, how would you know unless you went to all those different concerts?

 

[Duece]

hell "get me bodied" aint nothing but New Orleans bounce music anyways, all this other shit aint suprising

 

[Kaine3000]

Yea she cant be sued and by now everybody knows she uses other artists ideas.. but she did her thing, its not like many people at the awards show even knew who the hell Kylie Minoque was cuz until i seen this i was sitting here like "damn that was a good entrance".....on a sidenote..Kelly Rowland...looked Sexy as fuck lastnight

 

[Heist]

Firtst of all, you don't have to ask "permission: to use a song. You just have to make sure the proper agencies are notified so that royalties are paid. Beyonce had nothing to do with that Des'Ree problem. The paperwork was late for that song, as the album was rush-released.

Likewise, unless a specific part of an act is somehow copyrighted you can use anything you want from it. Most stage shows borrow from various sources. (And I doubt Beyonce was the choreograher or production designer.) Seems like that stuff on stage was more in debt to the classic silent film Metropolis (and has been used lots of times over the years) than anything else. Kylie Minogue would likely be grateful to have her act "stolen" by someone on Beyonce's level, though

Blunt, do you ever truly know what you're talking about? Ever? Why do you try to spout your opnion as truth. Really. Don't challenge me on this. I work in the entertainment/media industry and finance industry - I can tell you don't.

If you intend to do a performance of a work for profit, YOU DO have to ask for permission to use a song or redention of such, if you don't hold the mechanical rights. Just saying "I'm gonna do this song" and paying a royalty is not the process. You need PERMISSION from the rights holder.

You don't hear anyone doing Beatles songs or Michael Jackson songs all over the place do you? You know why, because the rights holders must be notified and they are ultrastrict about it.

Beyonce's cover of Des'Ree was NOT fully authorized. There was no late paperwork, because there was no paperwork. Beyonce was given the RIGHT to use the song at her performance, not to put it on her album, release a single, and shoot a video for it. She didn't hold the RIGHTS to do all this and was in negotiations but chose to press up copies of the CD anyway. Subsequently, there was an injuction placed on the re-release of B-Day with the single and all copies had to be pulled off the shelf and pressings stopped.

Ok, as for the show. It's called "Intellectual Property" - the producers who designed the costume and opening sequence can draw a pretty clear line between the two performances. There's barely nothing dissimliar between the two. If the producers get a hair up their ass (which Producers tend to) they can file suit and yes, whoever put that production together and Beyonce will be named in the suit. Just the way the legal game works ... you drag the biggest fish you can into the fray and hopefully can squeeze them for a few pennies to make it all go away.

Oh, and obviously I can tell you don't get out of the country very often, because you would know Beyonce is the star of the moment but Kylie in actualilty is the bigger draw! Kylie doesn't need Beyonce, fool. And she's above Beyonce level in terms albums sold, money, popularity or whatever except for musical ability.

Kylies sold over 70MM records, done T/V, Movies, major endorsements, etc. She's been in the game since the 80's, just not exposed here in the states (bad timing for her music)- but she has a TREMENDOUS following throughout Europe, Asia, South America, and Austrilia.

 

[Heist]

Ummmmmm....you cannot sue on the grounds on someone copying your opening performance. Rappers imitate each other all the time with the silly hand gestures and what not. It must be a trademark or signature move identifiable with the person in question.

Jesus ... I could have swore we had a few INDUSTRY people on this board. Todd-1, Kaos, etc. etc. Where did everyone go?

Guys, the performances are so materially similar any court would take the case if a suit was filed. Don't be myopic - the music world is BIGGER than BET. The black BET audience may not know who Kylie is, but she's huge all over the world.

My point here really is when an artist reaches a certain VERY visible and lucrative level, they need to be extremely careful with stealing performances and works and intellectual property or "trademark" issues. Big artist are big targets for big lawsuits. Shit like this goes on all the time in the industry, and usually it's handled quietly behind closed doors with a check.

For instance, if I were to go out and film a movie called Pirates of the West Indies 4...and have a Capt'n, Capt'n Jack Blackbird and copy damn near everything about the movie, and the movie wasn't made to be some silly as parody, you better believe some movie studio would have my ass in court.

...just trying to school some cats.

 

[Jagi]

i'll assume she has costume and set directors that steal stuff and she probably doesnt even know she has a bunch of unoriginal people working for her.

just a guess

 

[Blunt]

Not Beyonce or Kylie ....

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Blunt...

man, why are you feeding the monkeys?

 

[Ultramagnetic]

This was her performance at last years BET show. The pictures on the left are from a Britney Spears concert. The pics on the right are from Bey's performance.

http://www.britneyexperts.com/main....nts&id=1182744326&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&

 

[Spectrum]

Blunt, do you ever truly know what you're talking about? Ever? Why do you try to spout your opnion as truth. Really. Don't challenge me on this. I work in the entertainment/media industry and finance industry - I can tell you don't.

If you intend to do a performance of a work for profit, YOU DO have to ask for permission to use a song or redention of such, if you don't hold the mechanical rights. Just saying "I'm gonna do this song" and paying a royalty is not the process. You need PERMISSION from the rights holder.

You don't hear anyone doing Beatles songs or Michael Jackson songs all over the place do you? You know why, because the rights holders must be notified and they are ultrastrict about it.

Beyonce's cover of Des'Ree was NOT fully authorized. There was no late paperwork, because there was no paperwork. Beyonce was given the RIGHT to use the song at her performance, not to put it on her album, release a single, and shoot a video for it. She didn't hold the RIGHTS to do all this and was in negotiations but chose to press up copies of the CD anyway. Subsequently, there was an injuction placed on the re-release of B-Day with the single and all copies had to be pulled off the shelf and pressings stopped.

Ok, as for the show. It's called "Intellectual Property" - the producers who designed the costume and opening sequence can draw a pretty clear line between the two performances. There's barely nothing dissimliar between the two. If the producers get a hair up their ass (which Producers tend to) they can file suit and yes, whoever put that production together and Beyonce will be named in the suit. Just the way the legal game works ... you drag the biggest fish you can into the fray and hopefully can squeeze them for a few pennies to make it all go away.

Oh, and obviously I can tell you don't get out of the country very often, because you would know Beyonce is the star of the moment but Kylie in actualilty is the bigger draw! Kylie doesn't need Beyonce, fool. And she's above Beyonce level in terms albums sold, money, popularity or whatever except for musical ability.

Kylies sold over 70MM records, done T/V, Movies, major endorsements, etc. She's been in the game since the 80's, just not exposed here in the states (bad timing for her music)- but she has a TREMENDOUS following throughout Europe, Asia, South America, and Austrilia.

OUCH

 

[Heist]

man, why are you feeding the monkeys?

Excellent point. I'm ashamed of myself.

 

[Heist]

This was her performance at last years BET show. The pictures on the left are from a Britney Spears concert. The pics on the right are from Bey's performance.

http://www.britneyexperts.com/main....nts&id=1182744326&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&

Goddamn, I'm losing respect for B and her camp.

She's quickly becoming the Carlos Mencia of the music entertainment industry.

 

[TakeThaShot]

Blunt, do you ever truly know what you're talking about? Ever? Why do you try to spout your opnion as truth. Really. Don't challenge me on this. I work in the entertainment/media industry and finance industry - I can tell you don't.

If you intend to do a performance of a work for profit, YOU DO have to ask for permission to use a song or redention of such, if you don't hold the mechanical rights. Just saying "I'm gonna do this song" and paying a royalty is not the process. You need PERMISSION from the rights holder.

You don't hear anyone doing Beatles songs or Michael Jackson songs all over the place do you? You know why, because the rights holders must be notified and they are ultrastrict about it.

Beyonce's cover of Des'Ree was NOT fully authorized. There was no late paperwork, because there was no paperwork. Beyonce was given the RIGHT to use the song at her performance, not to put it on her album, release a single, and shoot a video for it. She didn't hold the RIGHTS to do all this and was in negotiations but chose to press up copies of the CD anyway. Subsequently, there was an injuction placed on the re-release of B-Day with the single and all copies had to be pulled off the shelf and pressings stopped.

Ok, as for the show. It's called "Intellectual Property" - the producers who designed the costume and opening sequence can draw a pretty clear line between the two performances. There's barely nothing dissimliar between the two. If the producers get a hair up their ass (which Producers tend to) they can file suit and yes, whoever put that production together and Beyonce will be named in the suit. Just the way the legal game works ... you drag the biggest fish you can into the fray and hopefully can squeeze them for a few pennies to make it all go away.

Oh, and obviously I can tell you don't get out of the country very often, because you would know Beyonce is the star of the moment but Kylie in actualilty is the bigger draw! Kylie doesn't need Beyonce, fool. And she's above Beyonce level in terms albums sold, money, popularity or whatever except for musical ability.

Kylies sold over 70MM records, done T/V, Movies, major endorsements, etc. She's been in the game since the 80's, just not exposed here in the states (bad timing for her music)- but she has a TREMENDOUS following throughout Europe, Asia, South America, and Austrilia.

Agreed!
If Kylies made profit from her moves, it's essentially a trademark if she originated it. Others can emmulate her moves. However, if Beyonce copied the moves exactly, she can be sued. If she did any variation of the moves at all, then it's an interpretation and therefore it's an original Beyonce dance.

 

[jiggylo09]

The Industry been robbing each other for years!

 

[Blunt]

Blunt, do you ever truly know what you're talking about? Ever?

Yes. I wouldn't waste my time otherwise. (And I don't start ill-informed "hater" threads like this, either.)

Why do you try to spout your opnion as truth. Really. Don't challenge me on this. I work in the entertainment/media industry and finance industry - I can tell you don't.

I will "challenge" you. The stuff with the Des'Ree track was reported on and explained. The info I stated was the real deal. I didn't make it up.

If you intend to do a performance of a work for profit, YOU DO have to ask for permission to use a song or redention of such, if you don't hold the mechanical rights. Just saying "I'm gonna do this song" and paying a royalty is not the process. You need PERMISSION from the rights holder.

You need permission to use the original recording!!! Otherwise, you just have to ensure proper credit when simply "covering" it.

You don't hear anyone doing Beatles songs or Michael Jackson songs all over the place do you? You know why, because the rights holders must be notified and they are ultrastrict about it.

Those songs are "covered" on record all the time. Their use in other media is what requires permission.

Beyonce's cover of Des'Ree was NOT fully authorized. There was no late paperwork, because there was no paperwork. Beyonce was given the RIGHT to use the song at her performance, not to put it on her album, release a single, and shoot a video for it. She didn't hold the RIGHTS to do all this and was in negotiations but chose to press up copies of the CD anyway. Subsequently, there was an injuction placed on the re-release of B-Day with the single and all copies had to be pulled off the shelf and pressings stopped.

Not true. Of course, the disc was never pulled and pressings weren't stopped. They worked it out. The fact is that the paperwork had NOT been completed, so the song was not properly authorized with the licensing agencies, in terms of writer royalties. It was simply an oversight. There was nothing to be gained in "stealing" an obscure track (though re-titling it was a bad legal move and complicated matters). This info is readily available.

Ok, as for the show. It's called "Intellectual Property" - the producers who designed the costume and opening sequence can draw a pretty clear line between the two performances. There's barely nothing dissimliar between the two. If the producers get a hair up their ass (which Producers tend to) they can file suit and yes, whoever put that production together and Beyonce will be named in the suit. Just the way the legal game works ... you drag the biggest fish you can into the fray and hopefully can squeeze them for a few pennies to make it all go away.

You're assuming that the "original" show is Kylie's "intellectual property."

Oh, and obviously I can tell you don't get out of the country very often, because you would know Beyonce is the star of the moment but Kylie in actualilty is the bigger draw! Kylie doesn't need Beyonce, fool. And she's above Beyonce level in terms albums sold, money, popularity or whatever except for musical ability.

LOL. I know Kylie Minogue and, though popular, she's not even on the same planet as Beyonce. Get real. (You're just another dumb hater.) Your assumption that Beyonce (the best known act on the planet) and her people, are ignorant of all these things, and they need YOU (a BGOLer) to explain it to them, is absurd. Please!!!

Kylies sold over 70MM records, done T/V, Movies, major endorsements, etc. She's been in the game since the 80's, just not exposed here in the states (bad timing for her music)- but she has a TREMENDOUS following throughout Europe, Asia, South America, and Austrilia.

She hasn't sold 70M records. That's record company hype, and impossible to verify. (Her top international seller was only like 7M.) She's probably sold 30-35M worldwide since the '80s. Beyonce (solo and group) has sold that much in the U.S. alone, and in far less time.

 

[Blu Diablo]

B is a known swagger jacker it's not new and it's not a secret. Her team just need to stay on top of keeping people paid for their ideas.

 

[Blunt]

Goddamn, I'm losing respect for B and her camp.

She's quickly becoming the Carlos Mencia of the music entertainment industry.

Mission accomplished. You've now encouraged a bunch of typical (black) BGOL knuckleheads to spread bogus rumors based on your lame assertions. It's a slur campaign worthy of Karl Rove. BGOL at its finest.

Thinking folks know better.

 

[J Storm]

Not Beyonce or Kylie ....

YOU BEAT ME TOO IT.
Thats the first thing I said when I saw her performance.

 

[Fiya Ant]

Yeah if that was the case Michael Jackson would be getting paid by Usher, Ginuine, Justin Timberlake, and now Ne-Yo for their performances

Now this true..

 

[freaky_1]

Blunt, do you ever truly know what you're talking about? Ever? Why do you try to spout your opnion as truth. Really. Don't challenge me on this. I work in the entertainment/media industry and finance industry - I can tell you don't.

If you intend to do a performance of a work for profit, YOU DO have to ask for permission to use a song or redention of such, if you don't hold the mechanical rights. Just saying "I'm gonna do this song" and paying a royalty is not the process. You need PERMISSION from the rights holder.

You don't hear anyone doing Beatles songs or Michael Jackson songs all over the place do you? You know why, because the rights holders must be notified and they are ultrastrict about it.

Beyonce's cover of Des'Ree was NOT fully authorized. There was no late paperwork, because there was no paperwork. Beyonce was given the RIGHT to use the song at her performance, not to put it on her album, release a single, and shoot a video for it. She didn't hold the RIGHTS to do all this and was in negotiations but chose to press up copies of the CD anyway. Subsequently, there was an injuction placed on the re-release of B-Day with the single and all copies had to be pulled off the shelf and pressings stopped.

Ok, as for the show. It's called "Intellectual Property" - the producers who designed the costume and opening sequence can draw a pretty clear line between the two performances. There's barely nothing dissimliar between the two. If the producers get a hair up their ass (which Producers tend to) they can file suit and yes, whoever put that production together and Beyonce will be named in the suit. Just the way the legal game works ... you drag the biggest fish you can into the fray and hopefully can squeeze them for a few pennies to make it all go away.

Oh, and obviously I can tell you don't get out of the country very often, because you would know Beyonce is the star of the moment but Kylie in actualilty is the bigger draw! Kylie doesn't need Beyonce, fool. And she's above Beyonce level in terms albums sold, money, popularity or whatever except for musical ability.

Kylies sold over 70MM records, done T/V, Movies, major endorsements, etc. She's been in the game since the 80's, just not exposed here in the states (bad timing for her music)- but she has a TREMENDOUS following throughout Europe, Asia, South America, and Austrilia.

This is that 1,000,000 proof ETHER right here.

 

[TEN]

nothing in music is original anymore, and certainly not ever beyonce!
anyone who saw beyonce's performance and not know where it is
originally from doesnt know anything about science fiction.

 

[BlackSmurf]

I guess she thinks - "why be original, when you can so easily steal something that has been done before and worked well?"

 

[blaQue Ice]

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[LSN]

Can't sue for that...the only thing similar is that they were both in robotic "attire"...the look of the attire was different, how they exited the attire was different...and what they did after was different...the white chic started singing...Beyonce started doing some Funky robotic movements...yeah you could make a valid argument on BGOL or amongst your friends that Beyonce bit off this chic but that's as far as it will go...