Bernie Sanders fans...Its time to give it up. He just got destroyed!

Yes the Green party is the far left wing of the Republican party.:hmm:
Fuck out of here with that shit.In a truly democratic system where you get to choose candidates that aren't tied down to corporate elites people like Clinton and yes Obama wouldn't stand a chance against real progressive candidates.
Less educated strongly favor Trump. Explains you.

NADER MADE GEORGE W. BUSH PRESIDENT.

Nader-voters who spurned Democrat Al Gore to vote for Nader ended up swinging both Florida and New Hampshire to Bush in 2000. Charlie Cook, the editor of the Cook Political Report and political analyst for National Journal, called "Florida and New Hampshire" simply "the two states that Mr. Nader handed to the Bush-Cheney ticket," when Cook was writing about "The Next Nader Effect," in The New York Times on 9 March 2004. Cook said, "Mr. Nader, running as the Green Party nominee, cost Al Gore two states, Florida and New Hampshire, either of which would have given the vice president [Gore] a victory in 2000. In Florida, which George W. Bush carried by 537 votes, Mr. Nader received nearly 100,000 votes [nearly 200 times the size of Bush's Florida 'win']. In New Hampshire, which Mr. Bush won by 7,211 votes, Mr. Nader pulled in more than 22,000 [three times the size of Bush's 'win' in that state]." If either of those two states had gone instead to Gore, then Bush would have lost the 2000 election; we would never have had a U.S. President George W. Bush, and so Nader managed to turn not just one but two key toss-up states for candidate Bush, and to become the indispensable person making G.W. Bush the President of the United States -- even more indispensable, and more important to Bush's "electoral success," than were such huge Bush financial contributors as Enron Corporation's chief Ken Lay.

Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader'scampaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP's Laura Meckler headlined "GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads."

Furthermore, it seems that during the closing days of the 2000 political contest, Ralph Nader was choosing to campaign not in states where polls showed that he had a chance to win (of which states there were none), but instead in states where Gore and Bush were virtually tied and Nader's constant appeals to "the left" would be the likeliest to throw those states into Bush's column. One political columnist noted this fact: On 26 October 2000, Eric Alterman posted online for the Nation, "Not One Vote!"

I could post more proof but I doubt your simple mind would comprehend it.
 
Less educated strongly favor Trump. Explains you.

NADER MADE GEORGE W. BUSH PRESIDENT.

Nader-voters who spurned Democrat Al Gore to vote for Nader ended up swinging both Florida and New Hampshire to Bush in 2000. Charlie Cook, the editor of the Cook Political Report and political analyst for National Journal, called "Florida and New Hampshire" simply "the two states that Mr. Nader handed to the Bush-Cheney ticket," when Cook was writing about "The Next Nader Effect," in The New York Times on 9 March 2004. Cook said, "Mr. Nader, running as the Green Party nominee, cost Al Gore two states, Florida and New Hampshire, either of which would have given the vice president [Gore] a victory in 2000. In Florida, which George W. Bush carried by 537 votes, Mr. Nader received nearly 100,000 votes [nearly 200 times the size of Bush's Florida 'win']. In New Hampshire, which Mr. Bush won by 7,211 votes, Mr. Nader pulled in more than 22,000 [three times the size of Bush's 'win' in that state]." If either of those two states had gone instead to Gore, then Bush would have lost the 2000 election; we would never have had a U.S. President George W. Bush, and so Nader managed to turn not just one but two key toss-up states for candidate Bush, and to become the indispensable person making G.W. Bush the President of the United States -- even more indispensable, and more important to Bush's "electoral success," than were such huge Bush financial contributors as Enron Corporation's chief Ken Lay.

Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader'scampaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP's Laura Meckler headlined "GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads."

Furthermore, it seems that during the closing days of the 2000 political contest, Ralph Nader was choosing to campaign not in states where polls showed that he had a chance to win (of which states there were none), but instead in states where Gore and Bush were virtually tied and Nader's constant appeals to "the left" would be the likeliest to throw those states into Bush's column. One political columnist noted this fact: On 26 October 2000, Eric Alterman posted online for the Nation, "Not One Vote!"

I could post more proof but I doubt your simple mind would comprehend it.

Not only that rove rigging the voting on election night
 
Less educated strongly favor Trump. Explains you.

NADER MADE GEORGE W. BUSH PRESIDENT.

Nader-voters who spurned Democrat Al Gore to vote for Nader ended up swinging both Florida and New Hampshire to Bush in 2000. Charlie Cook, the editor of the Cook Political Report and political analyst for National Journal, called "Florida and New Hampshire" simply "the two states that Mr. Nader handed to the Bush-Cheney ticket," when Cook was writing about "The Next Nader Effect," in The New York Times on 9 March 2004. Cook said, "Mr. Nader, running as the Green Party nominee, cost Al Gore two states, Florida and New Hampshire, either of which would have given the vice president [Gore] a victory in 2000. In Florida, which George W. Bush carried by 537 votes, Mr. Nader received nearly 100,000 votes [nearly 200 times the size of Bush's Florida 'win']. In New Hampshire, which Mr. Bush won by 7,211 votes, Mr. Nader pulled in more than 22,000 [three times the size of Bush's 'win' in that state]." If either of those two states had gone instead to Gore, then Bush would have lost the 2000 election; we would never have had a U.S. President George W. Bush, and so Nader managed to turn not just one but two key toss-up states for candidate Bush, and to become the indispensable person making G.W. Bush the President of the United States -- even more indispensable, and more important to Bush's "electoral success," than were such huge Bush financial contributors as Enron Corporation's chief Ken Lay.

Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader'scampaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP's Laura Meckler headlined "GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads."

Furthermore, it seems that during the closing days of the 2000 political contest, Ralph Nader was choosing to campaign not in states where polls showed that he had a chance to win (of which states there were none), but instead in states where Gore and Bush were virtually tied and Nader's constant appeals to "the left" would be the likeliest to throw those states into Bush's column. One political columnist noted this fact: On 26 October 2000, Eric Alterman posted online for the Nation, "Not One Vote!"

I could post more proof but I doubt your simple mind would comprehend it.
Fuck out of here.People don't want to support a bullshit candidate. If you're scared of Republicans then you need to go to DNC head quarters and tell them to stop pushing corporate whores masquerading as progressives. Nothing progressive about being in the pockets of corporations.
I survived Reagan and 2 bushes I think I'll survive who ever republicans throw out if your candidate fails.
 
Fuck out of here.People don't want to support a bullshit candidate. If you're scared of Republicans then you need to go to DNC head quarters and tell them to stop pushing corporate whores masquerading as progressives. Nothing progressive about being in the pockets of corporations.
I survived Reagan and 2 bushes I think I'll survive who ever republicans throw out if your candidate fails.

This
 
These bullshit ass motherfuckaz picking up the DNC script and trying to run it on people who see through the bullshit.
Fear is not going to work on us.
The best outcome to all this is both parties fracturing and new parties emerging forcing an end to this 2 party system where both candidates ain't shit but you eat flavored shit with the other one but it's still shit.
 
Fuck out of here.People don't want to support a bullshit candidate. If you're scared of Republicans then you need to go to DNC head quarters and tell them to stop pushing corporate whores masquerading as progressives. Nothing progressive about being in the pockets of corporations.
I survived Reagan and 2 bushes I think I'll survive who ever republicans throw out if your candidate fails.
Dispute the proof

Green Party is an extension of the Republican Party.

You have every right to support the Republican Party. Just don't feed us bullshit about you are supporting the party with a more liberal agenda.
 
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I survived Reagan and 2 bushes I think I'll survive who ever republicans throw out if your candidate fails.

Another statements proving you are a moron.

You personally survived but a lot of people didn't when Bush lied to get us into a war. So fuck off with that bullshit.

Bush's policies are still doing damage to this country to this day.

Again, I don't care you are supporting the Republican Party. But don't feed us shit, and tell us it's sugar.
 
Another statements proving you are a moron.

You personally survived but a lot of people didn't when Bush lied to get us into a war. So fuck off with that bullshit.

Bush's policies are still doing damage to this country to this day.

Again, I don't care you are supporting the Republican Party. But don't feed us shit, and tell us it's sugar.

Dispute the proof

Green Party is an extension of the Republican Party.

You have every right to support the Republican Party. Just don't feed us bullshit about you are supporting the party with a more liberal agenda.
Dems and their excuses.
nader.jpg



Questioning the Myth
George Bush beat Al Gore by only 543 votes in Florida. Gore needed Florida’s electoral votes in order to win the presidency. He did not get them. Gore’s diehard Democratic Party supporters have declared Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader the reason their candidate lost the 2000 presidential election, even though numerous other factors in the climactic Florida vote-counting drama affected the outcome. Instead of focusing solely on the votes Ralph Nader took from Al Gore, a balanced analysis would also take into account the following: (1) voters who were disenfranchised; (2) voting systems and procedures that failed; (3) the party-line United States Supreme Court vote declaring George W. Bush the winner; and (4) Democrats who voted for Bush or not at all.

Disenfranchised By Design?
The Florida Secretary of State’s Office hired a private firm known as Database Technologies, Inc. (now ChoicePoint Corporation) to identify convicted felons and remove them from Florida’s voting rolls. Prior to the election, 94,000 voters were removed (Kelly, 2002). This is legal if someone has been convicted of a felony, but as it turns out, 97 percent were innocent and should not have been removed. "The list was full of mistakes mainly because of the criteria [the database company] used. It compared its list of felons with the Florida voting rolls by looking for a rough match between the names and dates of birth. Thus a Christine Smith could have been disqualified if there had been a Christopher Smith of the same age with a felony record somewhere in the US. [the database company] also used race as a matching criterion, skewing the impact of the errors even more against black voters" (Borger & Palast, 2001). As The Nationmagazine reported, "immediately after the November 7, 2000 election, minority voters who had never committed crimes complained of having had their names removed from voting rolls in a purge of ‘ex-felons,’ of being denied translation services required by law, … and of harassment by poll workers and law-enforcement officials." The list of voters denied the right to vote was overwhelmingly Democratic and half were minorities (Kelly, 2002). Al Gore neither protested the disenfranchisement nor supported these voters’ lawsuit to regain their vote.

Voting Systems and Procedures
Voting systems throughout Florida (as well as the country) varied in makeup, and some had seriously flawed ballots. Since the 2000 presidential election, 11,000 election-related complaints have been registered in Florida, and some reforms have been implemented.


Ballots discarded
as "over-votes"

ballots.gif

Impossible to discern voter intent or is ambiguity in the eye of the beholder?

Paper and Pencil Ballot
Some Florida counties used a paper and pencil ballot. Some of these counties sent their ballots to the county seat (election headquarters) for tabulation, while others tallied votes at the polling place. When votes were counted at a county election headquarters, voters were not given a chance to revote if they had made a mistake, such as double voting or making an illegible mark on a ballot, and, in this scenario, African-Americans were four times as likely as whites to have their ballots thrown out (Keating & Mintz, 2001). In the tally-on-site counties, voters were told immediately if they had made a mistake and were given a second chance to vote (ibid). In these second-chance counties, African-Americans were just under two times as likely as whites to have ballots tossed out. With nine out of ten African-American voters voting Democratic and two-thirds of white voters voting Republican, the use of voting systems that lacked a second-chance option represented a net advantage for Bush of thousands of votes.

One common type of disqualified ballot, called a double bubble, showed a double vote for president in that a voter marked the oval next to the candidate’s name and then also marked the oval next to "write in" and wrote in the same candidate’s name. A Washington Postreview (2001) found that Gore would have had a net gain of 662 votes, enough to win, if there had been a hand recount of "over-votes," mostly from double bubbles.

Butterfly Ballot
butterfly.gif

Hundreds of voters in Palm Beach County said they mistakenly voted
for Buchanan instead of Gore because of the layout of the ballot.

stats.gif

Anything look funny?

The Infamous Butterfly Ballot
The infamous butterfly ballot has punch holes running down the center and the list of candidates on pages to the left and right of these holes. Butterfly ballots are the most prone to voter confusion as it is not clear which hole goes with which candidate. Palm Beach County, the one county in Florida that used this system, is a predominantly Democratic-leaning county yet extreme conservative candidate Pat Buchanan had a phenomenal showing there. On the left side of the Palm Beach County ballot George Bush was listed first and Al Gore second. However, the second punch hole in the center of the ballot was for Pat Buchanan, the first candidate listed on the right.

Pat Buchanan himself has admitted that most of his votes in Palm Beach County were meant for Al Gore, saying he "did not campaign and bought no advertising there" (Nichols, 2001, p. 86). He added, "I would say 95 to 98 percent of [the votes] were for Gore" (id. at p. 89). The day after the election, many people were upset, saying the butterfly ballot was confusing. When the election results were "too close to call," Buchanan worried he would be charged with costing Gore the election. He said he got more media coverage after the election than he did during the campaign (id. at p. 84). The graph to the left showing an abnormally high Buchanan vote in Palm Beach County suggests the butterfly ballot cost Al Gore thousands of votes, more than enough to have won the presidency.

The "Supreme" Test
The United States Supreme Court voted five to four along party lines to uphold the vote certified by the Florida Secretary of State, Kathleen Harris, declaring George Bush the winner in Florida. Between undercounts and overcounts, that vote count was riddled with inequities. Harris’s role has been sharply criticized because she worked for the Bush campaign, and thus had a direct conflict of interest.

Because varying voting standards were used within different counties, the Florida Supreme Court said it was each county’s responsibility to ensure ballots were treated uniformly. Some counties began a manual recount of the vote. The United States Supreme Court, however, stopped the manual recount altogether by requiring canvassing boards to meet an impossible Electoral College deadline.



In the book The Unfinished Election of 2000(2001), Pamela S. Karlan wrote, "There is something disquieting about the fact that although the Court focused largely on the claims of excluded voters, the remedy it ordered simply excluded more voters yet" (id. at p. 192). "[N]either Al Gore’s counsel nor the Court ever addressed the threshold question of standing and whose rights were being remedied" (ibid.). As Justice John Paul Stevens wrote in his dissenting opinion, "Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this years Presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. it is the nation’s confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law." (Justices Ginsburg and Breyer joined Justice Stevens in his dissenting opinion.)

Florida Voters
Even if none of the factors mentioned above had happened, the votes of Florida voters themselves show that Ralph Nader was not responsible for George W. Bush's presidency.

"Democrats for Bush, Democrats for nobody"
"Twelve percent of Florida Democrats (over 200,000) voted for Republican George Bush"
-San Francisco Chronicle, Nov. 9, 2000


Even if none of the factors mentioned above had happened, the votes of Florida voters themselves show that Ralph Nader was not responsible for George W. Bush’s presidency.If one percent of these Democrats had stuck with their own candidate, Al Gore would easily have won Florida and become president. In addition, half of all registered Democrats did not even bother going to the polls and voting.

The Florida Vote

Republican

2,912,790

Democratic

2,912,253

Green

97,488

Natural Law

2,281

Reform

17,484

Libertarian

16,415

Workers World

1,804

Constitution

1,371

Socialist

622

Socialist Workers

562

Write-in

40

The Final Count
According to the official 2001 Statistics of the Presidential and Congressional Election of November 7, 2000, George W. Bush beat Al Gore in Florida by 543 votes. It is noteworthy that every third-party candidate received enough votes in Florida to have cost Al Gore the election.

Conclusion
Green Party Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader did not work for the Florida Secretary of State, the Palm Beach County Election Commission, the Al Gore campaign committee, or the United States Supreme Court. Yet, he has become a scapegoat among many Democrats for Al Gore’s loss of the 2000 election, and, beyond the election, the person to blame for the resulting policies of George Bush. These diehard Democrats are averse to looking at the failings of their candidate, and they are not blaming voters for failing to vote at all. Instead, they are upset that Ralph Nader did not acquiesce to dropping out of the race as many urged him to do. As a side note, if Al Gore had won his home state of Tennessee, he would have had the necessary Electoral College votes to have won the election and the Florida results would have been irrelevant.

The facts are compelling and undeniable that Ralph Nader is not the reason, and should not be blamed, for George Bush’s victory in the 2000 presidential election.


-Irene Dieter, May 2003

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Bibliography
Borger, J. and Palast, G. Guardian Unlimited The Guardian. (2001, Feb. 17). "Inquiry into new claims of poll abuses in Florida." Retrieved April 28, 2003 fromhttp:/www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,439222,00.html.

Keating, D. and Mintz, J. Washington Post. (2001 Nov. 13). "Florida black ballots affected most in 2000." Retrieved April 28, 2003, fromhttp://www.washingtonpost.com.

Kelly, G. The Observer, Guardian Media Group. (2002, Oct. 31). "Exile on mainstream." Retrieved April 28, 2003, from www.gregpalast.com.

Nichols, J. (2001). Jews for Buchanan: Did you hear the one about the theft of the American Presidency? New York, NY: The New Press.

Rakove, J. N., editor. (2001). The Unfinished Election of 2000: Leading Scholars Examine America’s Strangest Election. New York, NY: Basic Books, A Member of the Perseus Books Group.

San Francisco Chronicle. (2000, Nov. 9). "Election 2000." Utilizing, Voter News Service.

The Nation Company L.P. - The Nation. (2002, June 17). "No Justice In Florida." v274 i23 p3. Retrieved April 28, 2003, from Info Trac Web: Expanded Academic ASAP database.

Trandahl, J. - Clerk of the House of Representatives. (Correct to June 21, 2001). Statistics of the Presidential and Congressional Election of November 7, 2000.
 
Another statements proving you are a moron.

You personally survived but a lot of people didn't when Bush lied to get us into a war. So fuck off with that bullshit.

Bush's policies are still doing damage to this country to this day.

Again, I don't care you are supporting the Republican Party. But don't feed us shit, and tell us it's sugar.
And do you remember Gore LOSING his home state of Tennessee?I guess it was Naders fault to that hometown folks weren't checking for Gore huh??Fuck out of here.
 
Fuck out of here.People don't want to support a bullshit candidate. If you're scared of Republicans then you need to go to DNC head quarters and tell them to stop pushing corporate whores masquerading as progressives. Nothing progressive about being in the pockets of corporations.
I survived Reagan and 2 bushes I think I'll survive who ever republicans throw out if your candidate fails.

True. LOL @ Hillary's super delegates already being listed. Sanders and Trump ain't got that shit. Sanders is the only progressive in this shit. Period.
 
Fuck out of here.People don't want to support a bullshit candidate. If you're scared of Republicans then you need to go to DNC head quarters and tell them to stop pushing corporate whores masquerading as progressives. Nothing progressive about being in the pockets of corporations.
I survived Reagan and 2 bushes I think I'll survive who ever republicans throw out if your candidate fails.

Those Reagan and Bush Supreme Court judges gave you the Citizens United decision. So since you don't care, please refrain from complaining about the affect of money on politics when your thinking is one of the main reasons why things are as bad as they are.

People like you helped create the super PAC. So you damn sure can't complain about them.
 
Dems and their excuses.
nader.jpg



Questioning the Myth
George Bush beat Al Gore by only 543 votes in Florida. Gore needed Florida’s electoral votes in order to win the presidency. He did not get them. Gore’s diehard Democratic Party supporters have declared Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader the reason their candidate lost the 2000 presidential election, even though numerous other factors in the climactic Florida vote-counting drama affected the outcome. Instead of focusing solely on the votes Ralph Nader took from Al Gore, a balanced analysis would also take into account the following: (1) voters who were disenfranchised; (2) voting systems and procedures that failed; (3) the party-line United States Supreme Court vote declaring George W. Bush the winner; and (4) Democrats who voted for Bush or not at all.

Disenfranchised By Design?
The Florida Secretary of State’s Office hired a private firm known as Database Technologies, Inc. (now ChoicePoint Corporation) to identify convicted felons and remove them from Florida’s voting rolls. Prior to the election, 94,000 voters were removed (Kelly, 2002). This is legal if someone has been convicted of a felony, but as it turns out, 97 percent were innocent and should not have been removed. "The list was full of mistakes mainly because of the criteria [the database company] used. It compared its list of felons with the Florida voting rolls by looking for a rough match between the names and dates of birth. Thus a Christine Smith could have been disqualified if there had been a Christopher Smith of the same age with a felony record somewhere in the US. [the database company] also used race as a matching criterion, skewing the impact of the errors even more against black voters" (Borger & Palast, 2001). As The Nationmagazine reported, "immediately after the November 7, 2000 election, minority voters who had never committed crimes complained of having had their names removed from voting rolls in a purge of ‘ex-felons,’ of being denied translation services required by law, … and of harassment by poll workers and law-enforcement officials." The list of voters denied the right to vote was overwhelmingly Democratic and half were minorities (Kelly, 2002). Al Gore neither protested the disenfranchisement nor supported these voters’ lawsuit to regain their vote.

Voting Systems and Procedures
Voting systems throughout Florida (as well as the country) varied in makeup, and some had seriously flawed ballots. Since the 2000 presidential election, 11,000 election-related complaints have been registered in Florida, and some reforms have been implemented.


Ballots discarded
as "over-votes"

ballots.gif

Impossible to discern voter intent or is ambiguity in the eye of the beholder?

Paper and Pencil Ballot
Some Florida counties used a paper and pencil ballot. Some of these counties sent their ballots to the county seat (election headquarters) for tabulation, while others tallied votes at the polling place. When votes were counted at a county election headquarters, voters were not given a chance to revote if they had made a mistake, such as double voting or making an illegible mark on a ballot, and, in this scenario, African-Americans were four times as likely as whites to have their ballots thrown out (Keating & Mintz, 2001). In the tally-on-site counties, voters were told immediately if they had made a mistake and were given a second chance to vote (ibid). In these second-chance counties, African-Americans were just under two times as likely as whites to have ballots tossed out. With nine out of ten African-American voters voting Democratic and two-thirds of white voters voting Republican, the use of voting systems that lacked a second-chance option represented a net advantage for Bush of thousands of votes.

One common type of disqualified ballot, called a double bubble, showed a double vote for president in that a voter marked the oval next to the candidate’s name and then also marked the oval next to "write in" and wrote in the same candidate’s name. A Washington Postreview (2001) found that Gore would have had a net gain of 662 votes, enough to win, if there had been a hand recount of "over-votes," mostly from double bubbles.

Butterfly Ballot
butterfly.gif

Hundreds of voters in Palm Beach County said they mistakenly voted
for Buchanan instead of Gore because of the layout of the ballot.

stats.gif

Anything look funny?

The Infamous Butterfly Ballot
The infamous butterfly ballot has punch holes running down the center and the list of candidates on pages to the left and right of these holes. Butterfly ballots are the most prone to voter confusion as it is not clear which hole goes with which candidate. Palm Beach County, the one county in Florida that used this system, is a predominantly Democratic-leaning county yet extreme conservative candidate Pat Buchanan had a phenomenal showing there. On the left side of the Palm Beach County ballot George Bush was listed first and Al Gore second. However, the second punch hole in the center of the ballot was for Pat Buchanan, the first candidate listed on the right.

Pat Buchanan himself has admitted that most of his votes in Palm Beach County were meant for Al Gore, saying he "did not campaign and bought no advertising there" (Nichols, 2001, p. 86). He added, "I would say 95 to 98 percent of [the votes] were for Gore" (id. at p. 89). The day after the election, many people were upset, saying the butterfly ballot was confusing. When the election results were "too close to call," Buchanan worried he would be charged with costing Gore the election. He said he got more media coverage after the election than he did during the campaign (id. at p. 84). The graph to the left showing an abnormally high Buchanan vote in Palm Beach County suggests the butterfly ballot cost Al Gore thousands of votes, more than enough to have won the presidency.

The "Supreme" Test
The United States Supreme Court voted five to four along party lines to uphold the vote certified by the Florida Secretary of State, Kathleen Harris, declaring George Bush the winner in Florida. Between undercounts and overcounts, that vote count was riddled with inequities. Harris’s role has been sharply criticized because she worked for the Bush campaign, and thus had a direct conflict of interest.

Because varying voting standards were used within different counties, the Florida Supreme Court said it was each county’s responsibility to ensure ballots were treated uniformly. Some counties began a manual recount of the vote. The United States Supreme Court, however, stopped the manual recount altogether by requiring canvassing boards to meet an impossible Electoral College deadline.



In the book The Unfinished Election of 2000(2001), Pamela S. Karlan wrote, "There is something disquieting about the fact that although the Court focused largely on the claims of excluded voters, the remedy it ordered simply excluded more voters yet" (id. at p. 192). "[N]either Al Gore’s counsel nor the Court ever addressed the threshold question of standing and whose rights were being remedied" (ibid.). As Justice John Paul Stevens wrote in his dissenting opinion, "Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this years Presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. it is the nation’s confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law." (Justices Ginsburg and Breyer joined Justice Stevens in his dissenting opinion.)

Florida Voters
Even if none of the factors mentioned above had happened, the votes of Florida voters themselves show that Ralph Nader was not responsible for George W. Bush's presidency.

"Democrats for Bush, Democrats for nobody"
"Twelve percent of Florida Democrats (over 200,000) voted for Republican George Bush"
-San Francisco Chronicle, Nov. 9, 2000


Even if none of the factors mentioned above had happened, the votes of Florida voters themselves show that Ralph Nader was not responsible for George W. Bush’s presidency.If one percent of these Democrats had stuck with their own candidate, Al Gore would easily have won Florida and become president. In addition, half of all registered Democrats did not even bother going to the polls and voting.

The Florida Vote

Republican

2,912,790

Democratic

2,912,253

Green

97,488

Natural Law

2,281

Reform

17,484

Libertarian

16,415

Workers World

1,804

Constitution

1,371

Socialist

622

Socialist Workers

562

Write-in

40

The Final Count
According to the official 2001 Statistics of the Presidential and Congressional Election of November 7, 2000, George W. Bush beat Al Gore in Florida by 543 votes. It is noteworthy that every third-party candidate received enough votes in Florida to have cost Al Gore the election.

Conclusion
Green Party Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader did not work for the Florida Secretary of State, the Palm Beach County Election Commission, the Al Gore campaign committee, or the United States Supreme Court. Yet, he has become a scapegoat among many Democrats for Al Gore’s loss of the 2000 election, and, beyond the election, the person to blame for the resulting policies of George Bush. These diehard Democrats are averse to looking at the failings of their candidate, and they are not blaming voters for failing to vote at all. Instead, they are upset that Ralph Nader did not acquiesce to dropping out of the race as many urged him to do. As a side note, if Al Gore had won his home state of Tennessee, he would have had the necessary Electoral College votes to have won the election and the Florida results would have been irrelevant.

The facts are compelling and undeniable that Ralph Nader is not the reason, and should not be blamed, for George Bush’s victory in the 2000 presidential election.


-Irene Dieter, May 2003

breakdown.gif



Bibliography
Borger, J. and Palast, G. Guardian Unlimited The Guardian. (2001, Feb. 17). "Inquiry into new claims of poll abuses in Florida." Retrieved April 28, 2003 fromhttp:/www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,439222,00.html.

Keating, D. and Mintz, J. Washington Post. (2001 Nov. 13). "Florida black ballots affected most in 2000." Retrieved April 28, 2003, fromhttp://www.washingtonpost.com.

Kelly, G. The Observer, Guardian Media Group. (2002, Oct. 31). "Exile on mainstream." Retrieved April 28, 2003, from www.gregpalast.com.

Nichols, J. (2001). Jews for Buchanan: Did you hear the one about the theft of the American Presidency? New York, NY: The New Press.

Rakove, J. N., editor. (2001). The Unfinished Election of 2000: Leading Scholars Examine America’s Strangest Election. New York, NY: Basic Books, A Member of the Perseus Books Group.

San Francisco Chronicle. (2000, Nov. 9). "Election 2000." Utilizing, Voter News Service.

The Nation Company L.P. - The Nation. (2002, June 17). "No Justice In Florida." v274 i23 p3. Retrieved April 28, 2003, from Info Trac Web: Expanded Academic ASAP database.

Trandahl, J. - Clerk of the House of Representatives. (Correct to June 21, 2001). Statistics of the Presidential and Congressional Election of November 7, 2000.

You just posted an alternative to how he could have won. You did not dispute this......


Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader'scampaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP's Laura Meckler headlined "GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads."

Furthermore, it seems that during the closing days of the 2000 political contest, Ralph Nader was choosing to campaign not in states where polls showed that he had a chance to win (of which states there were none), but instead in states where Gore and Bush were virtually tied and Nader's constant appeals to "the left" would be the likeliest to throw those states into Bush's column. One political columnist noted this fact: On 26 October 2000, Eric Alterman posted online for the Nation, "Not One Vote!"
 
You just posted an alternative to how he could have won. You did not dispute this......


Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader'scampaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP's Laura Meckler headlined "GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads."

Furthermore, it seems that during the closing days of the 2000 political contest, Ralph Nader was choosing to campaign not in states where polls showed that he had a chance to win (of which states there were none), but instead in states where Gore and Bush were virtually tied and Nader's constant appeals to "the left" would be the likeliest to throw those states into Bush's column. One political columnist noted this fact: On 26 October 2000, Eric Alterman posted online for the Nation, "Not One Vote!"
It wasn't an alternative to shit those were the facts.Yall niggaz like to go after the low hanging fruit instead of facing the truth that Gore was a shitty candidate for not being able to win his home state, Democrats either voted for Bush or didn't even bother to show up because Gore didn't excite the base at all and why did he concede instead of calling for a manual recount?
It's always easier to put the blame on someone else instead of facing the truth that Dems were sloppy in 2000 and cost themselves the election and also Gore was spineless for not contesting a contest he actually won by the popular vote count.
 
Those Reagan and Bush Supreme Court judges gave you the Citizens United decision. So since you don't care, please refrain from complaining about the affect of money on politics when your thinking is one of the main reasons why things are as bad as they are.

People like you helped create the super PAC. So you damn sure can't complain about them.
And was it the people or Dems fault that they lost those elections??
 
True. LOL @ Hillary's super delegates already being listed. Sanders and Trump ain't got that shit. Sanders is the only progressive in this shit. Period.
What exactly is a progressive? Is it another name for liberals?
 
Bernie Sanders’s 2020 Election Prediction Is the Only One That Matters
By Megh Wright@megh_wright


Despite Stephen Colbert and Trevor Noah reacting to last night’s election results live, the best late-night clip that circulated online throughout Tuesday evening was one from The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon that’s nearly two weeks old. Former presidential candidate Bernie Sanders appeared on Fallon’s show on October 23, and in the clip, Fallon asked Sanders when he thought the election results would be finalized. Sanders said he was worried about exactly what ended up playing out last night: states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin having huge numbers of mail-in ballots that are not yet counted. He explained to Fallon:
“Here is my worry: What polls show, and what studies have shown, is that, for whatever reason, Democrats are more likely to use mail-in ballots. Republicans are more likely to walk into polling booths on Election Day. It is likely that the first votes that will be counted will be those people who came in on Election Day, which will be Republican. And here is the fear, and I hope everybody hears it: I don’t know what’s going to happen; nobody does. But it could well be that at 10:00 on Election Night, Trump is winning in Michigan, he’s winning in Pennsylvania, he’s winning in Wisconsin, and he gets on the television and he says, ‘Thank you, Americans, for electing me! It’s all over, have a good day!’ But then the next day and the day following, all of those mail-in ballots start getting counted, and it turns out that Biden has won those states, at which point Trump says, ‘See? I told you the whole thing was fraudulent! I told you all those mail-in ballots were crooked, and we’re not gonna leave office!’ So that is a worry that I and a lot of people have.”
Of course, it’s currently the day after the election; Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin still haven’t been called; and Donald Trump gave an overnight speech in which he falsely claimed he had won Michigan and made so many inaccurate claims that NBC’s Savannah Guthrie cut into his speech to point out that Trump was saying things “that are just frankly not true.” Time will tell whether the rest of Sanders’s prediction plays out, but so far, he’s nailed it.
 
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