Ban Hand Guns Now!!

[NnubianN]

Statistically, more firearms are owned by law abiding citizens, posessing a permit for use in home, for defense or for hunting or sport, are more likely to be a deterrent, criminals who don't respect laws. Law abiding citizens who posess the right to bear arms, take gun & hunter safety courses and are apt, have the ability to logically use and often defend themselves, keeping criminals in check.

Look into how difficult it is to legally, own a firearm in NYC, the punishment for carrying a concealed loaded firearm, hence the term "throw away" hmm...

And again, I'm not talking about rural areas. I'm not talking about rifles and shotguns for use in hunting and sport. HAND GUNS aren't used to shoot deer, bears or other animals for hunting. HAND GUNS are used to kill PEOPLE. And in major cities where you hear every day that 5 people from the inner cities are dying from being shot, those are HAND GUNS ILLEGALLY PURCHASED from unscrupulous gun dealers who don't give a fuck about the father coming home from work that was shot in the head by someone either aiming at another dealer, or someone shooting at the dealer who shot their brother/sister/friend. If there were NO HAND GUNS there would be NO DEATHS from them. But since there ARE hand guns then we need to regulate the EXCESSIVE FLOW of them until they are no longer as prevalent

 

[jucurious]

the chinese got shit right, you fuck up over there, and you're getting death no questions asked.

america, is too concerned with fucking money, cause all those inmates in prison SHOULD BE KILLED. why keep them locked up when they aren't doing nothing but costing us tax payers money. we're paying for their room and board yall.

i gaurantee if our government modeled china, crime would be drastically reduced.

or if the jails were modeled after the one out in the damn heat in texas (i think it's texas) with cots and shit

or even if the jails actually tried to Rehabilitate

or if they weren't free labor for big business w/ all the factory work they have the inmates do

or if the jails actually set up programs and jobs for ex-convicts to have a good chance at survival being that they will be highly stigmatized once they are let out

man don't even get me STARTED on the prison system....pure bullshit

 

[Jinsei]

My dad almost had to cap a motherfucker last week because some bold ass nigga broke into my house in broad daylight. He was strung out on crack, those are the type of fuckers that would kill you. I don't live in the house yet because we're still working on it, who knows what could have happened if me or my dad went back there unarmed. Banning handguns is a stupid idea. The US isn't an island like Japan or Great Britain, we share borders and a ban on all guns would be hard to enforce.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Statistically, more firearms are owned by law abiding citizens, posessing a permit for use in home, for defense or for hunting or sport, are more likely to be a deterrent, criminals who don't respect laws. Law abiding citizens who posess the right to bear arms, take gun & hunter safety courses and are apt, have the ability to logically use and often defend themselves, keeping criminals in check.

Look into how difficult it is to legally, own a firearm in NYC, the punishment for carrying a concealed loaded firearm, hence the term "throw away" hmm...

I've made my opinion known but when quoting statistics it's important to remember those same stats say guns kept in a household are more likely to be used on someone who lives there.


It's not the guns that are the problem. It's our violence-obsessed culture and society. As opposed to Europeans, we embrace violence but are scared of sex. Jack Bauer can kill half-dozen people in a hour and it's a top-rated show (my fave) but a slip of a show of Janet Jackson's tittie can cause an uproar.

 

[Nat_Turner]

Without the 2nd Amendment there are no others.............

 

[Drayonis]

the chinese got shit right, you fuck up over there, and you're getting death no questions asked.

america, is too concerned with fucking money, cause all those inmates in prison SHOULD BE KILLED. why keep them locked up when they aren't doing nothing but costing us tax payers money. we're paying for their room and board yall.

i gaurantee if our government modeled china, crime would be drastically reduced.

You say that until you kill someone in "self defense" lose you case in court and end up on death row...da fuck out of here, there's no way we should model ourselves after communist China.

On another note. You telling me that you cats sleep at night without a gun in your house? So when a criminal breaks in what are you going to fight them with? Bad language?

 

[NnubianN]

I'm really failing to see your point. Most guns in most states (legal and illegal) come from out of state. We live in a violent society. You want to ban the good guys from protecting themselves from the bad guys. Doesn't make sense.

So then what do you propose my brother? All you're doing is saying "Allow the status quo." I guess we just chalk it up to the game every time another one of our family members is shot down by another illegal hand gun. How about if THE GOVERNMENT were the only one authorized to sell HAND GUNS? Or a single designated place in each city precinct so the flow of guns can easily be traced? Or maybe when an illegal gun turns up in a crime THE GUN DEALER WHO ORIGINALLY SOLD IT is now responsible for the crime (after a full investigation of course)? Something needs to be changed. I'm tired of hearing about (mostly Black) people dying because of gun shots

 

[BDR]

Let me throw it back at you. You're a cop in NYC. How many times when you stop someone you hope to the Universe that they aren't carrying a gun?

I've grown up in Bed Stuy and Brownsville. Lived in those nabes for more than 30 years. Twice a gun was pulled on me and both times I knew the person. The 1st time at 17 I was in a pool room and I was shot because I was between the bullet and the intended target. The 2nd time was a couple years later. One my friends I grew up with (our picture as brand new babies was taken as we lay side by side on his mother's bed. Our families were real close) got caught up in drugs. His own father banned him from the family owned grocery store for stealing to support his habit. This guy...this friend, set me up to steal my $300 boombox so he could buy drugs. I say that to say this...I've never carried a gun, a knife, any kind of weapon when I walked thru neighborhoods all over this city because I know how to carry myself. It's a state of mind when you know who you are as a person. It gives off vibes to those around you who might have bad intentions. The vide tells them "Don't fuck with that man." It's not about walking tough or looking hard or showing your ass. It's about handling your business and leaving their business to them. And you might think it's bullshit but I believe it because it works.

16 years ago I moved to Canarsie. Beautiful, peaceful, safe...wonderful. Now I'm hearing gunshots at 10-11 at night, 2-3 in the morning when the only sounds 16 years ago at night was the commercial garbage trucks. Violence has permeated this once blissful neighborhood because of the easy availability of guns and the drug culture that has made it profitable for those damn gun dealers out of state tol sell them. Hand guns should be restricted to the home...not available for shootouts at Nostrand and Flatbush.

And to answer your question...YES! I wish the 2nd Amendment could be ripped from the Constitution cause we don't need hand guns to live. The US is the only major western power that allows its citizens to own hand guns. And it's the most violent, bloodiest "first world" country on the planet

First I am not a cop in NYC, I work for the state NYSP. When I effect a stop on someone yes I hope they don't have a firearm however for my safety my hand is already on my glock until I deem it safe to take it off. I take no chances with anyone from the teenager to the retired. I grew up in the south bronx in butler houses and trust me shit was not sweet in the 80's.

Secondly I totally understand what you are saying. I live in BK, ENY to be exact and although the neighbor is fast on the come up with residential homes. Canarsie has been getting bad since the mid to late 90's especially over there near south shore high school.

This country is not ready to rise above the racism and blood it was built on and having the media pushing the violence it thrives on the American population are T.V sheep.

The 2nd amendment to the bill of rights was to protect citizens from government and it should stand. With this tough gun laws that strip law abiding citizens of their rights to bare arms is not the move.

I can walk through the hood and not worry either but you can't gamble like that now, these lil ninjas have no respect for nobody and will be quick to pop some shit off just because. You can't talk to them with a level mind or man to man they are not trying to hear what you or I have to say.

The only talk they know is gun talk and since they want it that way I give it to them that way that is the only time they will listen.

 

[rundatrack]

So Nubian you want to skirt the 2nd amendment in the bill of rights?

You will wish you had a hand gun when some perp faggot robs you.

Bill of rights was drafted when? And when was it actually applied...?


I believe that there is no use for semi-auto guns. Something that sprays off numerous god forgiven amounts of ammo has no good use...

A shotgun however in your home would be a better investment quite honestly.

Regards getting robbed. Worse thing up in the US is that a person robs you and thats it. A couple calls and your bank/ATM/cell phone are safe and sound. Fortunately in the part of the country I live there are not many robberies. If I was living in my country of Jamaican having a concealed arsenal would be the best thing.

Not many reasons to carry a gun in this country....Well this all depends on the neighborhood and crime rate in your town...

 

[SNYC]

16 years ago I moved to Canarsie.

damn, that's when there were only 3 black families living there

nyc sucks. i envy other states not only because of their cost of living...but of their gun laws


face the reality, guns are here to stay, legal and illegal

remember the great job prohibition did with stopping people from drinking?

what about the war on drugs?

 

[NnubianN]

First I am not a cop in NYC, I work for the state NYSP. When I effect a stop on someone yes I hope they don't have a firearm however for my safety my hand is already on my glock until I deem it safe to take it off. I take no chances with anyone from the teenager to the retired. I grew up in the south bronx in butler houses and trust me shit was not sweet in the 80's.

Secondly I totally understand what you are saying. I live in BK, ENY to be exact and although the neighbor is fast on the come up with residential homes. Canarsie has been getting bad since the mid to late 90's especially over there near south shore high school.

This country is not ready to rise above the racism and blood it was built on and having the media pushing the violence it thrives on the American population are T.V sheep.

The 2nd amendment to the bill of rights was to protect citizens from government and it should stand. With this tough gun laws that strip law abiding citizens of their rights to bare arms is not the move.

I can walk through the hood and not worry either but you can't gamble like that now, these lil ninjas have no respect for nobody and will be quick to pop some shit off just because. You can't talk to them with a level mind or man to man they are not trying to hear what you or I have to say.

The only talk they know is gun talk and since they want it that way I give it to them that way that is the only time they will listen.

As a law enforcement officer I respect your opinion because you're out there every day putting your life on the line. You speak with knowledge and intelligence which lends even more weight to your opinion. Much respect.

There are only a couple of ways to change the culture and the main way is to limit the avaiability of ILLEGAL hand guns. To ignore the problem only dooms the future of our race, or limit its potential for greatness. By holding the owners of these loose guns liable, you watch how fast and strong they'll put those restrictions in place. And I'm talking about REDUNDANCY! Double and triple check before issuing a license, permit or actual HAND GUN. The number of available guns will shrink, those that turn up are taken out of circulation and the number of victims will drop drastically.

This is also a social issue. That's why it will take the will of our community to overcome the fear of our youth who've gotten out of control because of loose or lack of authority. it will take years to change the mindset but it has to start somewhere. No ONE thing will solve the problem but it's a subject that sorely needs to be addressed soon

 

[FJP]

I understand your frustration but you really arent being realistic. You talking about "dealers"? Dog most illegal guns come from cats who are doing it ILLEGALLY. They got about as good a chance of limiting illegal guns as they do illegal drugs. Shit is the same thing. Arabs, Germans, man its so many ways to get guns in the hood its ridiculous. For the record, Im legal and I carry my gun anywhere that doesnt say "No firearms".

Gun game no different from drug game, only difference is there is a legal side to guns. But thats it. All that shit you see on the news is likely to be done with an illegal, untraceable firearm...What the fuck is banning a gun gonna do to those who ALREADY have them illegally? You do realize handguns are Banned if you dont have license right?

 

[BDR]

As a law enforcement officer I respect your opinion because you're out there every day putting your life on the line. You speak with knowledge and intelligence which lends even more weight to your opinion. Much respect.

There are only a couple of ways to change the culture and the main way is to limit the avaiability of ILLEGAL hand guns. To ignore the problem only dooms the future of our race, or limit its potential for greatness. By holding the owners of these loose guns liable, you watch how fast and strong they'll put those restrictions in place. And I'm talking about REDUNDANCY! Double and triple check before issuing a license, permit or actual HAND GUN. The number of available guns will shrink, those that turn up are taken out of circulation and the number of victims will drop drastically.

This is also a social issue. That's why it will take the will of our community to overcome the fear of our youth who've gotten out of control because of loose or lack of authority. it will take years to change the mindset but it has to start somewhere. No ONE thing will solve the problem but it's a subject that sorely needs to be addressed soon

I agree 100%, this country is a nation of fear and they fear any and everything thats BLACK.

Yes I believe they should limit handguns however I am all for property owners rights and home owners being allowed to possess a rifle or shot gun in their homes.

 

[African Herbsman]

Gun control only benefits criminals, delete this worthless thread.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

So then what do you propose my brother? All you're doing is saying "Allow the status quo." I guess we just chalk it up to the game every time another one of our family members is shot down by another illegal hand gun. How about if THE GOVERNMENT were the only one authorized to sell HAND GUNS? Or a single designated place in each city precinct so the flow of guns can easily be traced? Or maybe when an illegal gun turns up in a crime THE GUN DEALER WHO ORIGINALLY SOLD IT is now responsible for the crime (after a full investigation of course)? Something needs to be changed. I'm tired of hearing about (mostly Black) people dying because of gun shots

I agree - something needs to change. I think someone touched on a good point about doing a better job of regulating and keeping track of firearms. We also have to do a better job of policing our own communities. A ban on handguns only hurts the law abiding citizens though.

 

[SAFOOL]

Do you know how many guns are already out there? If you answered yes then you know its a stupid idea to try and ban them. If you hate guns dont buy one but don't blame us if we continue to support our second amendment rights.

 

[NnubianN]

I agree - something needs to change. I think someone touched on a good point about doing a better job of regulating and keeping track of firearms. We also have to do a better job of policing our own communities. A ban on handguns only hurts the law abiding citizens though.

How so? If you are on the street and you're shot by a stray bullet from an illegal handgun you're dead with your fully loaded glock still in your pocket. In your home (like in mines) a gun gives you a sense of security in these crazy times as long as you're responsible and it's not accessible by kids. A repeat rifle is a great weapon because you're not gonna walk down Main St with it and if someone breaks in on you those rapid fire joints can tear ligaments from bones and blow holes in domes. For the home even a hand gun is acceptable but the gun dealer needs to be FULLY government regulated with restrictions placed on its use and can't be carried outside the home without a legal permit. This way CRIMINALS are RESTRICTED in accessing ILLEGAL HAND GUNS.

BDR said in an earlier post about the 2nd Amendment was in place to allow citizens to protect themselves, even against the government and it should remain that way. I agree. Owning rifles, shotguns for hunting and sport (I always wanted to go on a deer hunt) or other semi auto weapons for the home is cool. BAN ILLEGAL HAND GUNS!

 

[infamous-online]

You say that until you kill someone in "self defense" lose you case in court and end up on death row...da fuck out of here, there's no way we should model ourselves after communist China.

On another note. You telling me that you cats sleep at night without a gun in your house? So when a criminal breaks in what are you going to fight them with? Bad language?

you wonder why china doesn't have this problem, cause they put muthafuckas down quick for this erratic fuckery that we tolerate here.

again, fuck the what if scenarios, what if this, what if that, fuck outta with that fuck shit. you know what if i fucked your bitch, you gonna shoot me with your 38, you used for protection huh,huh,huh? what if, what if, what if? the fuck with a got damn what if.

hello there is a such thing is self defense and then there is a such thing as going above and beyond just force. if you shoot someone 10 times, it's excessive and unneccessary force, and you will mostly likely be charged for murder, one or two times to repel a threat is justifiable.

you're from tx, maybe you've been locked up not to know the laws down here.

you have a right to bare arms, for self defense, not for fuckery non-sense, theres a reason why you have to register, and take gun safety courses.

 

[Prolifik]

I'm against any kind of gun ban whether you are talking about assault rifles, hand guns, shotguns, etc.. and it's not just because I own them legally. I'm also against having the government be the only ones to sell guns.

Banning or making the purchase process of guns more complicated will do nothing except mess up things for law abiding people. Crack, coke, E and every other drug is illegal but you still see them on the street right? Question is why. Answer to that is criminals are the ones breaking the laws and cops are the ones who choose not to enforce them. If you have a criminal who owns a gun now while they already aren't supposed to what makes you think they wouldn't if it were illegal for anyone to own?

I come from a bad neighborhood where somebody use to get shot or killed almost every night back in the day. These killers and/or shooters where 80% of the time under 22 and 99% of the time regardless of age still lived with their parents. Thats where most of the problem starts, Home. Start taking responsibility for your kids and things will improve.

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if you shoot someone more than 3 times, it's excessive and unneccessary force, and you will mostly likely be charged for murder, one or two times to repel a threat is justifiable.

How do you draw that conclusion? It's false. You have the right to use deadly force to STOP a threat. It can take one bullet, there are several cases where people had mags emptied in them (case i'm thinking of person was shot by a cop) and they still might not go down right away. There is no magic number to stop a threat.

 

[Carolina_Bully]

Fuck that!! WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!!!!!

 

[bham_brotha]

I say the same thing everytime I see this topic. The same way liquor was made illegal and bootleggers found a way...the same way narcotics were made illegal and dope boys find a way...the same way if guns are illegal people will find a way. The only difference is if you ban guns then WE are the ones who suffer because we can't protect ourselves. That shit would be like open season on the law abiding citizen.

HELL NO....FUCK A GUN BAN!

 

[bigred22]

Man I'm so fucking tired of turning on the news every morning only to hear someone got shot last night. Wives killing husbands, cops getting merced, kids accidentally shooting their friends, fathers killing other fathers' sons to protect their own, drug dealers shooting at rivals with bullets going through windows walls and floors. And those are just the ones we hear about!

And now there's a gun company painting guns candy colored to make them look like toys just to get back at Mayor Bloomberg (NYC) simply because they don't like his tough stance on gun companies selling hand guns that end up as murder weapons in NYC!

These fucking dealers make a good size chunk of their profit on illegal gun sales. The logic is simple. They're in business not to be a pillar of the community, not to do charity work, not to help out the homeless, not to beautify the neighborhood...their in the business TO MAKE MONEY! Think on it...they run a business so dealers have to make a profit to stay in business. They have rent and utilities and taxes to pay for their store, money to pay any employees, car notes, gas to buy, mortgages, food, clothes, college educations for their kids, etc. Sure they sell rifles, shot guns, ammo, safety equipment, maintenance kits, specialty equipment, pamphlets and other gun related material. But they probably couldn't stay in business if they didn't sell hand guns on the side tip. THESE MOFOS ARE DEATH MERCHANTS!! They don't give a damn about who they sell hand guns to. Ban hand guns! Or only allow special, heavy regulated merchants with government clearance to sell them! There's too COT damn many irresponsible gun merchants selling guns to anyone who walks through their door damn near.

DAMN! While I was writing this Eyewitness News just reported that a cop in Norwalk Conn was shot and killed around 3AM this morning! BAN HAND GUNS! They kill mainly Blacks and minorities and mostly innocents. Ban those instruments of death that bring misery to so many families in NY and LA and Boston and Chicago and Dallas and Atlanta and NOLA and Gary and a hundred other places! BAN HAND GUNS!

I totally understand your point fam.........but

I don't think gun laws or restrictions will do anything to stop gun violence. People who actually follow the law, are not the ones out there killing people. If you are pissed off or crazy enough to take a person's life with a firearm, a firearm law is not going to stop you from shooting someone. For example, Cocaine, Marijuana, and Heroin are all banned substances, but laws banning those drugs hasn't done anything to stop anyone from abusing drugs, it's just over crowed more prisons and made more money for private prison owners and the state.

I keep a gun in my home to protect myself and my family. If you outlaw guns and someone kicks in my door (because they are willing to break the law), I no longer have anyway to protect myself or my family, which is my constitutional right.

I don't think gun laws do anything but hurt law abiding citizens.

 

[phanatic]

If we get rid of guns people will just start stabbing one another. Make drugs legal and there won't be any more drug wars.

 

[NnubianN]

I totally understand your point fam.........but

I don't think gun laws or restrictions will do anything to stop gun violence. People who actually follow the law, are not the ones out there killing people. If you are pissed off or crazy enough to take a person's life with a firearm, a firearm law is not going to stop you from shooting someone. For example, Cocaine, Marijuana, and Heroin are all banned substances, but laws banning those drugs hasn't done anything to stop anyone from abusing drugs, it's just over crowed more prisons and made more money for private prison owners and the state.

I keep a gun in my home to protect myself and my family. If you outlaw guns and someone kicks in my door (because they are willing to break the law), I no longer have anyway to protect myself or my family, which is my constitutional right.

I don't think gun laws do anything but hurt law abiding citizens.

Do you know how many guns are already out there? If you answered yes then you know its a stupid idea to try and ban them. If you hate guns do buy one but don't blame us if we continue to support our second amendment rights.

Damn how many times I gotta say it? Guns for home protection is fine. I'm a gun owner. And AGAIN in rural areas where neighbors need vehicles to visit each other there's no real need to ban hand guns because the population is way less. I'm talking about heavily populated cities where we have reasonable law enforcement...population centers, urban areas. You got guns in your home...FINE. The MINUTE you get caught up OUTSIDE your home with an unlicensed gun you done and I got no sympathy for you. Period. EOS. Cause if you walking around with a gun you either looking for trouble or gonna wind up killing some innocent because of it...and that makes you NO BETTER than the thugs you say you trying to protect yourself from. Unless you caught up in the game them thugs aint gunning for you so let's get that clear now but them same FOOLS still shooting and killing innocent folk. So with hand guns restricted to the home now law enforcement only has to concern themselves with those ILLEGAL gun carriers. By FULLY REGULATING, holding ACCOUNTABLE, and placing major RESTRICTIONS on, gun dealers, there won't be the flood of guns coming into our neighborhoods from interstate or out of state.

There's NO WAY this problem is going away soon. Anyone looking for this shit to be solved next week or next year is insane. But 2 years, 5 years, TEN YEARS from now our children and THEIR CHILDREN will live in a safer world. That's what I'm talking about

 

[bigred22]

Damn how many times I gotta say it? Guns for home protection is fine. I'm a gun owner. And AGAIN in rural areas where neighbors need vehicles to visit each other there's no real need to ban hand guns because the population is way less. I'm talking about heavily populated cities where we have reasonable law enforcement...population centers, urban areas. You got guns in your home...FINE. The MINUTE you get caught up OUTSIDE your home with an unlicensed gun you done and I got no sympathy for you. Period. EOS. Cause if you walking around with a gun you either looking for trouble or gonna wind up killing some innocent because of it...and that makes you NO BETTER than the thugs you say you trying to protect yourself from. Unless you caught up in the game them thugs aint gunning for you so let's get that clear now but them same FOOLS still shooting and killing innocent folk. So with hand guns restricted to the home now law enforcement only has to concern themselves with those ILLEGAL gun carriers. By FULLY REGULATING, holding ACCOUNTABLE, and placing major RESTRICTIONS on, gun dealers, there won't be the flood of guns coming into our neighborhoods from interstate or out of state.

There's NO WAY this problem is going away soon. Anyone looking for this shit to be solved next week or next year is insane. But 2 years, 5 years, TEN YEARS from now our children and THEIR CHILDREN will live in a safer world. That's what I'm talking about

This is not all the way true. There are people out in the streets with guns looking for trouble, your right there, but there are people who arent looking for trouble too. I'm a young black male, I drive a very nice car, and I worked very hard to get it. It's plenty of niggas that would love to pull me and my girl out of it. It's plenty of niggas that would blow my brains out the back of my head just to drive it. I'm not giving up my life that easy. I see a ski mask running up on my car, and I'm letting 15 shots go with no hesitation cuz I got living to do and a family to raise. It's athletes and entertainers that live in constant danger when they go outside for the same reason, you can't deny them the right to protect themselves, at home or in the streets. It's the world we live in. Society is too far gone, it's too many crazy people out here to not protect yourself at all times.

In some ways your right, all people in the street with a firearm are not going to exercise good judgment, but those people who are crazy enough to kill or maim with a firearm are not going to be deterred by a stricter gun laws, it's just going to make it easier for them to victimize me because I will have to obey the law.

 

[NnubianN]

I'm against any kind of gun ban whether you are talking about assault rifles, hand guns, shotguns, etc.. and it's not just because I own them legally. I'm also against having the government be the only ones to sell guns.

Banning or making the purchase process of guns more complicated will do nothing except mess up things for law abiding people. Crack, coke, E and every other drug is illegal but you still see them on the street right? Question is why. Answer to that is criminals are the ones breaking the laws and cops are the ones who choose not to enforce them. If you have a criminal who owns a gun now while they already aren't supposed to what makes you think they wouldn't if it were illegal for anyone to own?

I come from a bad neighborhood where somebody use to get shot or killed almost every night back in the day. These killers and/or shooters where 80% of the time under 22 and 99% of the time regardless of age still lived with their parents. Thats where most of the problem starts, Home. Start taking responsibility for your kids and things will improve.

You can't make Apple Pie with Oranges so why you talking about illegal drugs? Shit, drugs will be made legal soon enough, if only because it will reduce GUN CRIME. Instead of "what iffing" a criminal with a gun, you should "what if a drug dealer had to defend his turf with a hunting knife because HAND GUNS weren't available?"

I forget how young many of you cats are but the world existed BEFORE THE 1980s. And for those of old enough to remember the premier of Sanford & Son, you're old enough to remember that guns weren't flooded in the nabes like they are now because there was no crack and cocaine was for those who had big money. Herion was the big deal. There weren't 500 drug corners or 100 drug dens to a neighborhood. There wasn't 12 year olds running around with fully loaded Tech Nines and no brains. How about "What if hand guns weren't so easily available?" How about that one?

 

[infamous-online]

How do you draw that conclusion? It's false. You have the right to use deadly force to STOP a threat. It can take one bullet, there are several cases where people had mags emptied in them (case i'm thinking of person was shot by a cop) and they still might not go down right away. There is no magic number to stop a threat.

maybe or two scenarios, perhaps if he/she is on hard drugs, or has a vest on, or they weren't hit in the right spot.

seriously though, after your first magazine if you're still shooting somebody then you're liable to be charged with murder, i mean do you really have to shoot a threat 40 times in order to feel safe? don't think so.

 

[NnubianN]

This is not all the way true. There are people out in the streets with guns looking for trouble, your right there, but there are people who arent looking for trouble too. I'm a young black male, I drive a very nice car, and I worked very hard to get it. It's plenty of niggas that would love to pull me and my girl out of it. It's plenty of niggas that would blow my brains out the back of my head just to drive it. I'm not giving up my life that easy. I see a ski mask running up on my car, and I'm letting 15 shots go with no hesitation cuz I got living to do and a family to raise. It's athletes and entertainers that live in constant danger when they go outside for the same reason, you can't deny them the right to protect themselves, at home or in the streets. It's the world we live in. Society is too far gone, it's too many crazy people out here to not protect yourself at all times.

In some ways your right, all people in the street with a firearm are not going to exercise good judgment, but those people who are crazy enough to kill or maim with a firearm are not going to be deterred by a stricter gun laws, it's just going to make it easier for them to victimize me because I will have to obey the law.

Yet you're still alive. Aint nobody stepped to you for your car or you wouldn't be here typing. You think all those posers know you got a gun? Think they thinking about that if they decided to jack you? Before you can even reach for your gat they already up on you and BAP BAP BAP it's over and done. If they wanted your car you'd be dead and they'd be driving so you can take that nonsense back where it came from. Unless you caught up in the game and they know your rep they don't know you from the next man who got a better looking ride. Your argument holds no water my brother. You may THINK carrying a gun is keeping them off your ass. Blee me...that aint the case. You keep true young blood. Stay true to the game and one day soon cats up in here will be wondering what happened to bigred cause he aint been seen in a handful?

 

[Studio718]

Jesus

will save us all.

what does Michelangelo's uncle have to do with gun violence

Wait..Wait..Just one minute here.
EXPLAIN THIS SHIT FOR ME PLEASE, I HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED!!!

 

[Silva_bak_gorilla]

In your own home, yeah. But you gone go drop a letter in the mailbox carrying a gun at 2 in the afternoon?

why not? I never leave home without my gun. Guns dont kill people, people with guns kill people. And really think about it, most of the crime going on well in my area at least they are using high powered riffles, AKs and ARs and shit. That gun company painting those guns kids colors and shit wont last that long. some kid will blow his brain out playing with that shit thinking it's a toy. Sad that a kid has to die to ban it but that's what it takes.

 

[klep]

am i the only one that thinks the whole "We need guns to protect us from the government" is bullshit?

What you and you 45 gonna do against Military tech? Seriously. This isnt 1862 we dont have legal access to hollow points or rocket launchers.

If they had a way to seriously get rid of Guns id honestly take my chances of the Government coming to kill me over me getting robbed then shot walking to the fucking carryout in DC.

You guys are crazy if you think having guns LOWERS crime BULLSHIT!

First of all if a kat is going around sticking up people and knows what hes doing he isnt gonna give you a chance to be in a position to use that shit, ive seen a dude with a Gun get his ass beat in the parking lot of a club. This fool aint going around thinking "Yo i think he got a strap I aint gonna fuck with him..." He probably like if I get this nigga from behind I can rob his ass then have an extra peice(like crooks robbing people have any sense anyway).

White people and the government arent killing black people. Black people with handguns are killing black people and putting the ones that live in Jail.

 

[Prolifik]

You can't make Apple Pie with Oranges so why you talking about illegal drugs? Shit, drugs will be made legal soon enough, if only because it will reduce GUN CRIME. Instead of "what iffing" a criminal with a gun, you should "what if a drug dealer had to defend his turf with a hunting knife because HAND GUNS weren't available?"

I forget how young many of you cats are but the world existed BEFORE THE 1980s. And for those of old enough to remember the premier of Sanford & Son, you're old enough to remember that guns weren't flooded in the nabes like they are now because there was no crack and cocaine was for those who had big money. Herion was the big deal. There weren't 500 drug corners or 100 drug dens to a neighborhood. There wasn't 12 year olds running around with fully loaded Tech Nines and no brains. How about "What if hand guns weren't so easily available?" How about that one?

Drugs was brought up to stress the fact that simply making something or limiting the ways it can be obtained will not stop it.

Your statement about hunting knives proves my point. A criminal will always be a criminal. If we ban guns and they use knives should we ban knives? If they then ban knives should we ban baseball because drug dealers are using bats them to beat people?

How about drug dealers live with their mama and don't even pay rent so they don't own any turf. Goes back to what I said. Parenting, community, etc.. People hardly call the cops when somebody gets shot. How often do they call when drug dealers are just standing around on corners? Good neighborhood are only good because of the people that live there.

You whole 2nd paragraph is irrelevant because that's now how the world is today. Even if another gun was never produced and every gun in every gun shop was melted whats the solution for every gun already on the street? Tell me that.

 

[Rhayne]

i hate when mouthafuckas start talking about this ban hand guns bullshit.. everyone forgets that criminals dont obey laws, so you can ban them, and they still gonna carry them.. but what about the law obeying citizen like myself, who went through the proper and legal way to get my handgun permits, why should i be punshed, and can't carry my shit, cause yall wanna ban guns.. only thing that means when u ban the fuckin guns, is now, i cant legeally carry my gun, and the crminals can... fuck yall ban hand gun laws

 

[bigred22]

Yet you're still alive. Aint nobody stepped to you for your car or you wouldn't be here typing. You think all those posers know you got a gun? Think they thinking about that if they decided to jack you? Before you can even reach for your gat they already up on you and BAP BAP BAP it's over and done. If they wanted your car you'd be dead and they'd be driving so you can take that nonsense back where it came from. Unless you caught up in the game and they know your rep they don't know you from the next man who got a better looking ride. Your argument holds no water my brother. You may THINK carrying a gun is keeping them off your ass. Blee me...that aint the case. You keep true young blood. Stay true to the game and one day soon cats up in here will be wondering what happened to bigred cause he aint been seen in a handful?

First off, with all due respect, I'm not worried about a poser thinking if I got a gun or not. I don't carry one for that purpose. Second, yeah I may unfortunately get caught in a position where I cant fight back and they got me, that happens to the best, BUTif I amin a position where I see it coming and I can fight back, I'm going to unload to save my life and the life of my family. I don't think keeping a gun is going to keep someone off my ass, that's some dumb shit, BUT I DO THINK keeping a gun will allow me tha chance to protect myself or atleast take a couple of cowards with me! Violence is not only for those CAUGHT IN THE GAME, brother what world do you live in????? Most cats that claim to be thugs are cowards that will hurt anyone, not just niggas in the game! Thugs broke them rules a long time ago.

And for the record The only game I'm true to is life, and the love of my family. I been through some shit and I got allot of responsibility so I'll be damn if I let some coward just take my life with no fight!!!! But when someone runs up on you to take your shit or rape your wife, you be sure and tell them YOU AINT CAUGHT UP IN THE GAME, so they leave you alone!

 

[klep]

Rhayne could you inform me on what did you have to do to LEGALLY obtain your gun permits. The process.