Avengers:Infinity War ***Spoilers***
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Yea its kinda weird because he is still learning based on the end of his movie but if he becomes extremely powerful how can Mordo step to him in the sequel. Like they want us to think about it but not too much. I'll give you that.
I believe the mordo conflict will be on a moral/psychological plane.
I base that on his statement about rules and using dark magic 'the bill MUST come due. '
I think/hope that in the Dr strange sequel he will put strange in moral and ethically compromised situations where strange will be forced to face his own ego and questionable choices he has made.
I am looking forward to that. I like villains where you can kinda see where they are coming from. Thanos' plan is wild but he has a point. Same with Killmonger.
I wasn't even a fan of the first Dr. Strange but I love that idea for the sequel. Villains with morally ambiguous motives that test the values of the heroes tend to be the best (i.e. Joker, Killmonger, Thanos).
Chiwetel Ejiofor already showed that he can pull that off brilliantly in Serenity.
Quill: Don't call us plucky. We don't know what that means. Yes were optimistic but your plan sucks so let me do the plan and that way it won't suck.
Drax: Tell him about the danceoff to save the universe.
Stark: What dance off?
Quill: It's not a...
Peter: Like in Footloose the movie?
Quill: EXACTLY LIKE FOOTLOOSE!...Is it still the greatest movie in history?
Peter: It never was!
That shit was funny af
@ the amount of lines in these franchises that are unscripted & improvised.
if u want a good idea of what thanos is... he's marvel's equivalent of darkseid
strange's powers are based upon him being in the earth realm or in the equivalent footprint of the earth realm... meaning he can be in another dimension but within within the same earth footprint. so he's not as great in space and why you've never seen him taking trips to outer space in the comics. he has to be able to tap into the "forces" in the earth.
in the movie they made it as they draw power from the dark dimension but i can't explain that one.. that was simply for the mcu
Strange might have also lost the sling ring fighting Maw.
doesn't work in space. he has to be on earth to send him somewhere else on earth
Thanos. In the comic book he defeats the silver surfer and makes him his slave or some shit.
if u want a good idea of what thanos is... he's marvel's equivalent of darkseid
Thank you Don.
You've done a better explaining Dr. Strange in 3 posts than Marvel did in 3 movies. I have love for the MCU but they've done fuck all in explaining all of those Earthly limits to his powers. Knowing all of that makes me want to go rewatch the movie again. That information you posted really helps
Fox's use of Apocalypse doesn't even come close to the powers this dude posses. They made him seem so fuckin weak. He can basically give himself any superhuman power.
They both share some of the same powers an abilities.
He's even defeated an Eternal...(Thanos is an Eternal).....which is not an easy task. Hell he created Mr. Sinister....lol.
If you just go by the different powers that they are bestowed and not by the comic stories that are told, I'm sure it would be one hell of a battle between the two.
Thank you Don.
You've done a better explaining Dr. Strange in 3 posts than Marvel did in 3 movies. I have love for the MCU but they've done fuck all in explaining all of those Earthly limits to his powers. Knowing all of that makes me want to go rewatch the movie again. That information you posted really helps
it's confusing. the mainstream "marvel universe 616" that most people refer to and comics read are only "part" of what they use in creating the marvel cinematic universe which is why it's confusing. They are using details from another marvel universe called marvel universe 1610, where they merge details with to create the marvel cinematic universe. merging all that together will make it difficult to understand if you know nothing about it. which is why i'm really curious how they are going to introduce the x-men and the fantastic four into the marvel line up.
and yeah because realistically strange could have imprisoned him in that one dimension or banished him to the dimension where dormammu was and end of story. the infinity stones only work in the reality they were created in. no other.
I always been a bigger DC fan. At least when it comes to the actual comics. The only run of Marvel that I ever really followed was the Ultimate Universe stuff. I like that the MCU is basically a smash up of 616, Ultimate, and the creative choices of the writers and directors.
That shit just confusing at times
I will say here and now that if they stick to guns and don't bring anyone back that i will apologize for doubting them. They could leave Peter Parker dead and bring in Miles Morales for Spiderman Academy.
Let the movie start off at the start of Ned's senior year. He's depressed about his friend being dead and not even being able to tell anyone. Then he gets called to the main office and told that he has been selected to be a mentor to a new freshman named Miles.
That shit would be the most ballsy move that Marvel ever pulled.
True
If the sling ring only works on earth, how was he opening portals on Titan? Both Mantis and Starlord dropped through them. Needs to be another explanation.
Interesting take on hawkeye
The Heartbreaking Truth Hawkeye Probably Will Face In Avengers 4
BY NICK EVANS
12 COMMENTS
24 HOURS AGO
WARNING! Spoilers to follow for Avengers: Infinity War, a movie you definitely should have seen by now.
Like the Avengers themselves, we are all still reeling from Avengers: Infinity War. Perhaps more than we even anticipated, Thanos (Josh Brolin) won and won soundly, doing the unthinkable and actually executing his iconic finger snap while wearing the Infinity Gauntlet, thus erasing half the life in the universe. We watched with wet eyes as new king T'Challa vanished in front of Okoye, saw Bucky call out to Steve, and were broken as Peter Parker pleaded with Tony Stark before scattering like ash to the wind. In this post-Infinity War world, what happens next is a mystery as our heroes try to pick up the pieces and recover from this terrible loss, hopefully to fight again one day. Although many heroes fell to Thanos' might, it is the ones left behind who will truly suffer and perhaps the greatest sorrow will be felt by an Avenger who didn't even participate in the battle.
After all the speculation and theorizing about Hawkeye's whereabouts pre-Infinity War and why he was missing from all the marketing, the archer wasn't in it at all, with one line of dialogue explaining away his glaring absence. We know that like Ant-Man, Hawkeye took a deal after the events of Captain America: Civil War and is now on house arrest. But choosing not to or being unable to fight in a war does not shield you from its effects. The events of Infinity War were grievous and far-reaching, inescapable in their scope and deadly in consequence. It is this sweeping fatality that I believe will have Hawkeye facing a heartbreaking truth in Avengers 4: Clint Barton's family will be dead.
Hawkeye is unique in the Marvel Cinematic Universe in that he is the only hero who maintains a real family life while still occasionally battling killer robots and shooting aliens from the tops of buildings. Sure, most of the MCU's heroes have been given love interests and parents whose lives or deaths shaped their path, but Hawkeye alone is the guy with a wife and kids. In Avengers: Age of Ultron, we met Clint Barton's secret family that consists of a wife, Laura, played by Linda Cardellini, a son, a daughter and a third child on the way. This is a man with a lot to lose and a family of 5 is on the wrong end of the numbers with half of all life on the chopping block. I don't think it is a stretch to assume that he will lose some and possibly all of his family as a result of Thanos' universe balancing.
We have heard that those characters that were underserved or missing entirely from Infinity War would get their due in Avengers 4 and I can't imagine a more emotional arc for Hawkeye than this one. We also know that, like Scott Lang, part of his story involves him being on house arrest and I believe that house arrest will turn out to be symbolic and consequential as Hawkeye faces this heartbreaking truth.
We don't know the conditions of Hawkeye's deal or how exactly his house arrest worked, but lets assume that he was home with his family during the events of Infinity War. Maybe he saw the attacks on New York and Wakanda on the news, once again seeing aliens attack the planet, but this time not being there to help stop it. He no doubt felt the urge to act, because he is a soldier and a hero, and sitting idly by while the world is in danger is not his strong suit. But he took a deal, likely to keep his family whole and I think it is that choice that will eat at him in Avengers 4.
As the world was under attack, Hawkeye likely found himself split between two loyalties. Maybe he even argued with his wife about breaking out of his house arrest to aid his fellow heroes. Then, when Thanos snapped his fingers, Clint Barton watched his family melt away in front of him, powerless to stop it. This would understandably lead to a tremendous amount of grief and anger, but also guilt, for just sitting there for the good of his family while the Avengers failed only to lose them anyway in the end.
Despite the fact that he has as big a heart and as much fight in him as any of them, it isn't unfair to say that Hawkeye is one of the least powerful of Earth's Mightiest Heroes. So even though he would have been no match for Thanos, that isn't a calculation that would matter to him. When we suffer loss it is human nature to always question your actions, to feel like you could have done more, that if only you had acted, done this, not done that, said the right thing or fought harder, the outcome could have been different, even if in reality nothing you did would have mattered.
So right or wrong, Clint Barton may blame himself for the death of his family and set out to fix it. Losing your family is the kind of loss that shapes you and maybe this is what leads Hawkeye to the much-rumored Ronin identity. Because why would he abandon his previous superhero identity and no longer want to be Clint Barton unless something drastic happened to cause him to forge a new path? I think the death of some or all of his family could be the catalyst for this change. No longer able to sit idly by, Hawkeye might break free from his house arrest, concealing his identity to not get caught and to protect any of his family and friends that do survive Thanos' purge.
Hawkeye will obviously have a bigger role in Avengers 4 and I think it will be an important one. This is certainly a dark way to go but as the end of Infinity Warshowed us, Marvel is willing to go there and deliver black eyes and broken hearts. It looks like we will be playing the 'What is Hawkeye up to?' game for another whole year (unless he shows up in Ant-Man and the Wasp) but I have a feeling that when we see him in Avengers 4, the original Avenger and the only family man amongst the team, will have lost everything he was fighting to protect. His journey may find him looking for a way to get them back and learning who he is without them.
The Heartbreaking Truth Hawkeye Probably Will Face In Avengers 4
BY NICK EVANS
12 COMMENTS
24 HOURS AGO
WARNING! Spoilers to follow for Avengers: Infinity War, a movie you definitely should have seen by now.
Like the Avengers themselves, we are all still reeling from Avengers: Infinity War. Perhaps more than we even anticipated, Thanos (Josh Brolin) won and won soundly, doing the unthinkable and actually executing his iconic finger snap while wearing the Infinity Gauntlet, thus erasing half the life in the universe. We watched with wet eyes as new king T'Challa vanished in front of Okoye, saw Bucky call out to Steve, and were broken as Peter Parker pleaded with Tony Stark before scattering like ash to the wind. In this post-Infinity War world, what happens next is a mystery as our heroes try to pick up the pieces and recover from this terrible loss, hopefully to fight again one day. Although many heroes fell to Thanos' might, it is the ones left behind who will truly suffer and perhaps the greatest sorrow will be felt by an Avenger who didn't even participate in the battle.
After all the speculation and theorizing about Hawkeye's whereabouts pre-Infinity War and why he was missing from all the marketing, the archer wasn't in it at all, with one line of dialogue explaining away his glaring absence. We know that like Ant-Man, Hawkeye took a deal after the events of Captain America: Civil War and is now on house arrest. But choosing not to or being unable to fight in a war does not shield you from its effects. The events of Infinity War were grievous and far-reaching, inescapable in their scope and deadly in consequence. It is this sweeping fatality that I believe will have Hawkeye facing a heartbreaking truth in Avengers 4: Clint Barton's family will be dead.
Hawkeye is unique in the Marvel Cinematic Universe in that he is the only hero who maintains a real family life while still occasionally battling killer robots and shooting aliens from the tops of buildings. Sure, most of the MCU's heroes have been given love interests and parents whose lives or deaths shaped their path, but Hawkeye alone is the guy with a wife and kids. In Avengers: Age of Ultron, we met Clint Barton's secret family that consists of a wife, Laura, played by Linda Cardellini, a son, a daughter and a third child on the way. This is a man with a lot to lose and a family of 5 is on the wrong end of the numbers with half of all life on the chopping block. I don't think it is a stretch to assume that he will lose some and possibly all of his family as a result of Thanos' universe balancing.
We have heard that those characters that were underserved or missing entirely from Infinity War would get their due in Avengers 4 and I can't imagine a more emotional arc for Hawkeye than this one. We also know that, like Scott Lang, part of his story involves him being on house arrest and I believe that house arrest will turn out to be symbolic and consequential as Hawkeye faces this heartbreaking truth.
We don't know the conditions of Hawkeye's deal or how exactly his house arrest worked, but lets assume that he was home with his family during the events of Infinity War. Maybe he saw the attacks on New York and Wakanda on the news, once again seeing aliens attack the planet, but this time not being there to help stop it. He no doubt felt the urge to act, because he is a soldier and a hero, and sitting idly by while the world is in danger is not his strong suit. But he took a deal, likely to keep his family whole and I think it is that choice that will eat at him in Avengers 4.
As the world was under attack, Hawkeye likely found himself split between two loyalties. Maybe he even argued with his wife about breaking out of his house arrest to aid his fellow heroes. Then, when Thanos snapped his fingers, Clint Barton watched his family melt away in front of him, powerless to stop it. This would understandably lead to a tremendous amount of grief and anger, but also guilt, for just sitting there for the good of his family while the Avengers failed only to lose them anyway in the end.
Despite the fact that he has as big a heart and as much fight in him as any of them, it isn't unfair to say that Hawkeye is one of the least powerful of Earth's Mightiest Heroes. So even though he would have been no match for Thanos, that isn't a calculation that would matter to him. When we suffer loss it is human nature to always question your actions, to feel like you could have done more, that if only you had acted, done this, not done that, said the right thing or fought harder, the outcome could have been different, even if in reality nothing you did would have mattered.
So right or wrong, Clint Barton may blame himself for the death of his family and set out to fix it. Losing your family is the kind of loss that shapes you and maybe this is what leads Hawkeye to the much-rumored Ronin identity. Because why would he abandon his previous superhero identity and no longer want to be Clint Barton unless something drastic happened to cause him to forge a new path? I think the death of some or all of his family could be the catalyst for this change. No longer able to sit idly by, Hawkeye might break free from his house arrest, concealing his identity to not get caught and to protect any of his family and friends that do survive Thanos' purge.
Hawkeye will obviously have a bigger role in Avengers 4 and I think it will be an important one. This is certainly a dark way to go but as the end of Infinity Warshowed us, Marvel is willing to go there and deliver black eyes and broken hearts. It looks like we will be playing the 'What is Hawkeye up to?' game for another whole year (unless he shows up in Ant-Man and the Wasp) but I have a feeling that when we see him in Avengers 4, the original Avenger and the only family man amongst the team, will have lost everything he was fighting to protect. His journey may find him looking for a way to get them back and learning who he is without them.
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Mordo at the post credit scene said he's collecting magic from people that don't deserve it like the paralyzed guy. So he will get stronger.
Ok, finally saw it. Now, where the fuck is Silver Surfer? I remember reading the Infinity Gauntlets series as a kid.
All in all, dope adaptation. Marvel is killing it. Thanos is hands down my favorite supervillain next to Carnage.
All in all, dope adaptation. Marvel is killing it. Thanos is hands down my favorite supervillain next to Carnage.
silver surfer is chillin with fox, i wouldnt expect to see him.
Captain Marvel is going to kick Thanos's ass.
Here's why:
Who bought Marvel?
Disney.
Who is Disney's purchase base?
Primarily women and girls.
If you think for one second that Disney is going to ignore their money pot, you are crazy as hell.
Disney has spent recent years pushing the girl power/feminism narrative after pushing the every girl is a Princess theme since forever.
With the current market trends showing that women want to be the heroes and not the girlfriend of the hero, best believe Disney is going to deliver!
They have dolls to sell.
Captain Marvel's powers are going to exceed everyone else's, except maybe Scarlett Witch, who was shown holding off Thanos with one hand as she tended to a dying Vision.
Captain Marvel will probably punch the Hulk out at some point, too. Hulk represents alpha males, so its a must that she knock him on his ass, too.
She will swoop in, beat Thanos, take the glove and save the rest of the Avengers. Doc Strange will use the time stone to reverse time and bring back the rest of the crew. The owner of Disney is a staunch feminist. Its gonna happen. They are pandering to a base that doesn't even care about comic book heroes. To them, its bigger than that. Its about the movement.
I hope I'm wrong but I'll re-visit this post in a year and see.
Here's why:
Who bought Marvel?
Disney.
Who is Disney's purchase base?
Primarily women and girls.
If you think for one second that Disney is going to ignore their money pot, you are crazy as hell.
Disney has spent recent years pushing the girl power/feminism narrative after pushing the every girl is a Princess theme since forever.
With the current market trends showing that women want to be the heroes and not the girlfriend of the hero, best believe Disney is going to deliver!
They have dolls to sell.
Captain Marvel's powers are going to exceed everyone else's, except maybe Scarlett Witch, who was shown holding off Thanos with one hand as she tended to a dying Vision.
Captain Marvel will probably punch the Hulk out at some point, too. Hulk represents alpha males, so its a must that she knock him on his ass, too.
She will swoop in, beat Thanos, take the glove and save the rest of the Avengers. Doc Strange will use the time stone to reverse time and bring back the rest of the crew. The owner of Disney is a staunch feminist. Its gonna happen. They are pandering to a base that doesn't even care about comic book heroes. To them, its bigger than that. Its about the movement.
I hope I'm wrong but I'll re-visit this post in a year and see.
DAHITMAN
Rising Star
i just thought of something. what if the next movie and their time traveling starts a whole new arc with kang?
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