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directors Anthony and Joe Russo reiterate the damage done to Smart Hulk (Mark Ruffalo) when wielding the complete set of Infinity Stones is “irreparable” despite his advanced healing factor.
“The Hulk has never come up against every Infinity Stone in a gauntlet, and the pure power of the stones. Thanos is nearly invincible, and he did not heal either,” Joe Russo says in a Twitter Q&A hosted byWired. “So, clearly, when you wield the full power of the Infinity Stone, it’s irreparable damage to your being.”
Added Anthony Russo, “If it doesn’t even kill you.”
Thanos (Josh Brolin) and the gamma-powered Hulk survived only because of their incredible power; a third snap performed by Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.) to obliterate Thanos and his army proved fatal for the fully human Tony Stark.
Joe Russo previously told ComicBook.comthe injury suffered by Hulk was permanent.
“He’s lost an arm. He lost Natasha. That’s not coming back,” Russo said. “He’s damaged himself. I don’t know. It’s interesting. That’s permanent damage, the same way that it was permanent damage with Thanos. It’s irreversible damage. His arm, if you noticed, is a lot skinnier. It’s blackened. So, he loses a lot of strength there.”
Russo then acknowledged any decision to reverse Hulk’s injury will not be one made by the directing duo: the Russos arecurrently finishedwith Marvel Studios and are now concentrating on other projects.
“But who knows? There’s a lot of smart people left. Maybe someone helps him repair that. Maybe someone gives him a new arm. I have no idea where that character goes from here,” Russo admitted. “The nice thing is we didn’t have to pay attention to where it goes after this, we just try to tell a satisfying ending.”
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that was cool...now if the person that was taking the card was dressed as Red Skull....
How that Avengers shawarma scene was actually inspired by heartbreaking Angel death
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Remember that hilarious Avengers post-credits scene where all the superheroes are sitting in silence eating shawarma after the Battle of New York? It turns out that was actually inspired by an earlier Joss Whedon project.
When the cast of Buffy the Vampire Slayer spin-off series Angel stopped by EW’s video suite at New York Comic Con on Saturday for the show’s 20th anniversary reunion, Alexis Denisof and Amy Acker revealed that beloved character Fred’s death had an unexpected and far-reaching influence.
“That was intense,” Denisof says of filming Acker’s heartbreaking death scene. “I remember Joss particularly wanted to direct that. He gave us an amazing atmosphere. He more or less cleared the set to just him, the camera operator, and you and me.”
And that’s when Acker revealed some surprising intel on how Angel ended up inspiring the first Avengers movie. “I just remember that at the end of the day we all went for a drink and were sitting in a bar and none of us spoke to each other,” she says. “Apparently the shawarma scene at the end of Avengers was inspired by us just sitting there not talking.”
“Just shells, completely,” Denisof adds with a laugh.
Check out our full interview with the cast above to hear hilarious and heartwarming stories about all the stars’ first days on set of Angel and more.
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Remember that hilarious Avengers post-credits scene where all the superheroes are sitting in silence eating shawarma after the Battle of New York? It turns out that was actually inspired by an earlier Joss Whedon project.
When the cast of Buffy the Vampire Slayer spin-off series Angel stopped by EW’s video suite at New York Comic Con on Saturday for the show’s 20th anniversary reunion, Alexis Denisof and Amy Acker revealed that beloved character Fred’s death had an unexpected and far-reaching influence.
“That was intense,” Denisof says of filming Acker’s heartbreaking death scene. “I remember Joss particularly wanted to direct that. He gave us an amazing atmosphere. He more or less cleared the set to just him, the camera operator, and you and me.”
And that’s when Acker revealed some surprising intel on how Angel ended up inspiring the first Avengers movie. “I just remember that at the end of the day we all went for a drink and were sitting in a bar and none of us spoke to each other,” she says. “Apparently the shawarma scene at the end of Avengers was inspired by us just sitting there not talking.”
“Just shells, completely,” Denisof adds with a laugh.
Check out our full interview with the cast above to hear hilarious and heartwarming stories about all the stars’ first days on set of Angel and more.
https://ew.com/comic-con/2019/10/05/avengers-shawarma-scene-inspired-by-angel-death-video-interview/
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Those pilots in the fighter jets in Avengers 1 were from SHIELD. The World Council, the powers behind SHIELD, authorized the use ofthe nukes.
That was rhe Iron Patriot armor. Apparently it was a separate armor and not. Just the War Machine armor with a paint job. It was in storage on the compound.
AVENGERS: ENDGAME Screenplay Reveals A Few More Surprise Casualties Of "The Snap"
Disney has released the Avengers: Endgame screenplay as part of the movie's awards campaign, and in that, we learn of a few more noteworthy casualties of Thanos' "Snap" in Avengers: Infinity War...
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Filed Under: "Avengers: Endgame"
The screenplay for Avengers: Endgame has been released online (and can be read by clicking HERE), and after taking a look through it, we've learned of at least a few more people who died when Thanos attacked the Earth in Avengers: Infinity War and unleashed the power of the Infinity Stones.
While these characters were never mentioned in the movie itself, it's now been revealed that Secretary Ross, Sharon Carter, Jane Foster, and Wong were also dusted by the Mad Titan.
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That explains a lot. For starters, with no "Thunderbolt" Ross around, the United States government likely gave up on the Sokovia Accords, hence why Earth's Mightiest Heroes were able to start operating freely again. Sharon Carter's absence, meanwhile, explains why Steve Rogers never pursued a romantic relationship with her (and instead went back in time to find Peggy Carter).
Jane Foster's disappearance means she wouldn't have become Thor during that five-year time-jump,, but Wong being among the dead definitely leaves us with a long list of questions.
For example, who served as Sorcerer Supreme and kept the Sanctum Santorum safe in his absence? We don't know for sure, but there's a chance Marvel Studios changed their minds about his demise given his role in Avengers: Endgame's final battle. Perhaps that's something that will be addressed in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness?
Disney has released the Avengers: Endgame screenplay as part of the movie's awards campaign, and in that, we learn of a few more noteworthy casualties of Thanos' "Snap" in Avengers: Infinity War...
Josh Wilding| 12/9/2019
Filed Under: "Avengers: Endgame"
The screenplay for Avengers: Endgame has been released online (and can be read by clicking HERE), and after taking a look through it, we've learned of at least a few more people who died when Thanos attacked the Earth in Avengers: Infinity War and unleashed the power of the Infinity Stones.
While these characters were never mentioned in the movie itself, it's now been revealed that Secretary Ross, Sharon Carter, Jane Foster, and Wong were also dusted by the Mad Titan.
Report Ad
That explains a lot. For starters, with no "Thunderbolt" Ross around, the United States government likely gave up on the Sokovia Accords, hence why Earth's Mightiest Heroes were able to start operating freely again. Sharon Carter's absence, meanwhile, explains why Steve Rogers never pursued a romantic relationship with her (and instead went back in time to find Peggy Carter).
Jane Foster's disappearance means she wouldn't have become Thor during that five-year time-jump,, but Wong being among the dead definitely leaves us with a long list of questions.
For example, who served as Sorcerer Supreme and kept the Sanctum Santorum safe in his absence? We don't know for sure, but there's a chance Marvel Studios changed their minds about his demise given his role in Avengers: Endgame's final battle. Perhaps that's something that will be addressed in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness?
Can Avengers: Endgame Actually Land a Best Picture Oscar Nomination?
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Marvel employs a lot of Academy voters, but the superhero movie faces more than a few obstacles on the path to Oscar. Photo: Marvel Studios
In the months since Avengers: Endgame blipped its way out of theaters and lodged itself in the collective consciousness, the superhero epic has come to be best understood within the context of its superlatives. On the one hand, the movie is the standard-bearer for what Martin Scorsese — bashing Marvel movies as a whole — has decried as theme-park filmgoing, a stark contrast to the “cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.” To Scorsese and his peers, the 182-minute, $2.8 billion blockbuster embodies Hollywood’s bottom-line fixation with IP to the exclusion of more intimately observed, grown-up movies that are being shunted off to streaming services at an alarming rate.
But at the same time, Endgame managed to become the highest-grossing film of all time, tying up multiple Marvel Cinematic Universe narrative strands in one showing, while also somehow sidestepping the toxic fan backlash that typically accompanies movies of such scope and nostalgia. It’s the apogee of MCU triumphalism in an era of grandiose cinematic-universe proliferation.
With Endgame’s place in the Hollywood history books seemingly secure, some industry observers have shifted their focus to another milestone that is both within and without the movie’s present halo of success: Does Marvel Studios’ biggest hit have any chance at a Best Picture Oscar nomination?
Last year, of course, Marvel’s Black Panther cracked the Academy Awards’ glass ceiling for megabudget comic-book fare. Riding a wave of cultural euphoria as the first stand-alone studio superhero movie centered around a character of African descent, the $1.34 billion-grossing film landed a first-of-its-kind Best Picture nod and ultimately netted three Oscars (for production design, costume design, and original score). But while Endgame hit multiplexes front-loaded with Academy-anointed talent — its ensemble cast includes seven Oscar winners (Natalie Portman, Tilda Swinton, and Michael Douglas among them) and 11 more Oscar nominees (Bradley Cooper, Samuel L. Jackson, and Angela Bassett in that mix) — the 22nd Marvel Studios entry and end of the MCU’s Phase 3 faces an uphill battle. “The Academy doesn’t do sequels in Best Picture,” one awards campaign strategist tells Vulture.
That hasn’t stopped its studio distributor, Disney, from mounting a full-throated campaign to convince critics, guilds, and Oscar voters that Endgame — the direct sequel to 2018’s Avengers: Infinity War and fourth Avengers installment overall — rises above its forebears to deserve an Oscar nomination, even if a Best Picture win seems like magical thinking. A:E For Your Consideration ads have been blanketing Hollywood trade papers since November, and a DVD screener for the film sent out to awards-season voters features the sepia image of Robert Downey Jr.’s Iron Man/Tony Stark character in a moment of existential melancholy accompanied by the pull quote from a Rolling Stone review: “The movie hits you like a shot in the heart.”
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The road to convincing the Academy that a sci-fi blockbuster featuring a trash-talking raccoon, America’s ass, and Fat Thor rises to the level of serious art and deserves to square off in the winner’s circle against works by presumptive Best Picture auteurs Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino, and Bong Joon Ho is understandably not without obstacles. But according to Fandango managing editor Erik Davis, Hollywood’s awards voters have a historical soft spot for franchise finales.
He points to the Best Picture benediction heaped on Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King in 2003, the final installment of Peter Jackson’s Middle-earth film trilogy (which also netted Academy gold for Best Director, Adapted Screenplay, Film Editing, Art Direction, and Original Score, among other technical awards). “We saw this with the last Lord of the Rings,” Davis says. “It sort of swept the Oscars because they wanted to honor the trilogy. Something similar happened with the conclusion of Game of Thrones at the Emmys. It’s a tough category, but I think [Endgame] deserves a Best Picture nomination. We are going to see a situation where it is time to honor what Marvel Studios has accomplished over the last 10 years.”
To hear it from Gene Del Vecchio, the author of Creating Blockbusters! and a longtime marketing and entertainment industry consultant, Endgame could enjoy a certain competitive advantage in the Best Picture sweepstakes, if for no other reason than its affiliation with the multitude of below-the-line workers, effects technicians, and animators who toiled on the movie. “You have hundreds of people who did the film, right? So you would think that as a result of so many people in the Academy actually having worked on this movie that a major blockbuster like this would have a real chance at the award,” he says.
Moreover, in the absence of 2018’s proposed then quickly scrapped Popular Oscar initiative, Del Vecchio reasons that two competing sets of rationales — both born out of recent changes in voter attitudes — may ultimately decide whether Endgame winds up listed among the five to ten films on the Best Picture ballot this year.
“There are two potential reasons why Avengers: Endgame could make the [Best Picture] nomination. One is a good reason, one is a bad reason,” says Del Vecchio, who also works as an adjunct professor of marketing at the USC Marshall School of Business. “The good reason is: The Academy truly believes that it is a masterpiece of artistry, and they truly understand it as a tapestry of dozens of story lines and characters that were introduced before Endgame that suddenly coalesced into this seamless, beautiful story that ended this part of the franchise. They’d be understanding and validating the powerful artistry that went into that.”
You would think that as a result of so many people in the Academy actually having worked on this movie that [it] would have a real chance.
“The bad part would be if they nominate a blockbuster for the sake of nominating a blockbuster,” he continues, “by saying, ‘Okay, I guess we have to put in a blockbuster, because now there’s a battle between the Old Guard and the new guard.’ That would mean they’re trying to appease part of their own membership and they’re trying to appease the TV audience. That would be the wrong reason.”
With Academy voting closed on Tuesday and nominations set to be announced on January 13, we’re simply left to wait and see whether Endgame has managed to snap its way into the Oscar race. By the estimation of one awards campaign strategist and former studio executive (who is also a longtime member of the Academy’s executive branch), however, the movie will most likely be edged out by another comic book–derived property that picked up way more awards buzz over the past few months, as well as a pair of Golden Globes (including Best Actor — Motion Picture Drama for Joaquin Phoenix) last weekend.
“Endgame has a shot. Joker has a better shot,” the person says. “They most likely cancel each other out.”
By Chris Lee@__ChrisLee
The Gold Rush
Brought to you by
Marvel employs a lot of Academy voters, but the superhero movie faces more than a few obstacles on the path to Oscar. Photo: Marvel Studios
In the months since Avengers: Endgame blipped its way out of theaters and lodged itself in the collective consciousness, the superhero epic has come to be best understood within the context of its superlatives. On the one hand, the movie is the standard-bearer for what Martin Scorsese — bashing Marvel movies as a whole — has decried as theme-park filmgoing, a stark contrast to the “cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.” To Scorsese and his peers, the 182-minute, $2.8 billion blockbuster embodies Hollywood’s bottom-line fixation with IP to the exclusion of more intimately observed, grown-up movies that are being shunted off to streaming services at an alarming rate.
But at the same time, Endgame managed to become the highest-grossing film of all time, tying up multiple Marvel Cinematic Universe narrative strands in one showing, while also somehow sidestepping the toxic fan backlash that typically accompanies movies of such scope and nostalgia. It’s the apogee of MCU triumphalism in an era of grandiose cinematic-universe proliferation.
With Endgame’s place in the Hollywood history books seemingly secure, some industry observers have shifted their focus to another milestone that is both within and without the movie’s present halo of success: Does Marvel Studios’ biggest hit have any chance at a Best Picture Oscar nomination?
Last year, of course, Marvel’s Black Panther cracked the Academy Awards’ glass ceiling for megabudget comic-book fare. Riding a wave of cultural euphoria as the first stand-alone studio superhero movie centered around a character of African descent, the $1.34 billion-grossing film landed a first-of-its-kind Best Picture nod and ultimately netted three Oscars (for production design, costume design, and original score). But while Endgame hit multiplexes front-loaded with Academy-anointed talent — its ensemble cast includes seven Oscar winners (Natalie Portman, Tilda Swinton, and Michael Douglas among them) and 11 more Oscar nominees (Bradley Cooper, Samuel L. Jackson, and Angela Bassett in that mix) — the 22nd Marvel Studios entry and end of the MCU’s Phase 3 faces an uphill battle. “The Academy doesn’t do sequels in Best Picture,” one awards campaign strategist tells Vulture.
That hasn’t stopped its studio distributor, Disney, from mounting a full-throated campaign to convince critics, guilds, and Oscar voters that Endgame — the direct sequel to 2018’s Avengers: Infinity War and fourth Avengers installment overall — rises above its forebears to deserve an Oscar nomination, even if a Best Picture win seems like magical thinking. A:E For Your Consideration ads have been blanketing Hollywood trade papers since November, and a DVD screener for the film sent out to awards-season voters features the sepia image of Robert Downey Jr.’s Iron Man/Tony Stark character in a moment of existential melancholy accompanied by the pull quote from a Rolling Stone review: “The movie hits you like a shot in the heart.”
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The road to convincing the Academy that a sci-fi blockbuster featuring a trash-talking raccoon, America’s ass, and Fat Thor rises to the level of serious art and deserves to square off in the winner’s circle against works by presumptive Best Picture auteurs Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino, and Bong Joon Ho is understandably not without obstacles. But according to Fandango managing editor Erik Davis, Hollywood’s awards voters have a historical soft spot for franchise finales.
He points to the Best Picture benediction heaped on Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King in 2003, the final installment of Peter Jackson’s Middle-earth film trilogy (which also netted Academy gold for Best Director, Adapted Screenplay, Film Editing, Art Direction, and Original Score, among other technical awards). “We saw this with the last Lord of the Rings,” Davis says. “It sort of swept the Oscars because they wanted to honor the trilogy. Something similar happened with the conclusion of Game of Thrones at the Emmys. It’s a tough category, but I think [Endgame] deserves a Best Picture nomination. We are going to see a situation where it is time to honor what Marvel Studios has accomplished over the last 10 years.”
To hear it from Gene Del Vecchio, the author of Creating Blockbusters! and a longtime marketing and entertainment industry consultant, Endgame could enjoy a certain competitive advantage in the Best Picture sweepstakes, if for no other reason than its affiliation with the multitude of below-the-line workers, effects technicians, and animators who toiled on the movie. “You have hundreds of people who did the film, right? So you would think that as a result of so many people in the Academy actually having worked on this movie that a major blockbuster like this would have a real chance at the award,” he says.
Moreover, in the absence of 2018’s proposed then quickly scrapped Popular Oscar initiative, Del Vecchio reasons that two competing sets of rationales — both born out of recent changes in voter attitudes — may ultimately decide whether Endgame winds up listed among the five to ten films on the Best Picture ballot this year.
“There are two potential reasons why Avengers: Endgame could make the [Best Picture] nomination. One is a good reason, one is a bad reason,” says Del Vecchio, who also works as an adjunct professor of marketing at the USC Marshall School of Business. “The good reason is: The Academy truly believes that it is a masterpiece of artistry, and they truly understand it as a tapestry of dozens of story lines and characters that were introduced before Endgame that suddenly coalesced into this seamless, beautiful story that ended this part of the franchise. They’d be understanding and validating the powerful artistry that went into that.”
You would think that as a result of so many people in the Academy actually having worked on this movie that [it] would have a real chance.
“The bad part would be if they nominate a blockbuster for the sake of nominating a blockbuster,” he continues, “by saying, ‘Okay, I guess we have to put in a blockbuster, because now there’s a battle between the Old Guard and the new guard.’ That would mean they’re trying to appease part of their own membership and they’re trying to appease the TV audience. That would be the wrong reason.”
With Academy voting closed on Tuesday and nominations set to be announced on January 13, we’re simply left to wait and see whether Endgame has managed to snap its way into the Oscar race. By the estimation of one awards campaign strategist and former studio executive (who is also a longtime member of the Academy’s executive branch), however, the movie will most likely be edged out by another comic book–derived property that picked up way more awards buzz over the past few months, as well as a pair of Golden Globes (including Best Actor — Motion Picture Drama for Joaquin Phoenix) last weekend.
“Endgame has a shot. Joker has a better shot,” the person says. “They most likely cancel each other out.”
What are your favorite fan theories about the MCU?
I am gonna propose one. So, buckle up.
You remember how Dr. Strange saw 14 million possible outcomes, and in only one of them, Avengers won?
That is an absurdly low probability of 0.0000000714.
They still managed it though, didn’t they?
Why?
Because they had a secret weapon. Someone outside the actual battlefield. Someone, minding her own business. Someone who is a master of Probability Manipulation. Someone, who’s nonchalant presence on planet earth would ensure, ‘if there is a one in fourteen million chance of something good happening, that good thing will happen’.
I am talking about this young lady.
[I know she’s not in the MCU yet. But that does not tell us that she does not exist in the ‘earth’. Maybe the Avengers in MCU just did not know about her existence yet.]
Domino’s power of luck comes from a rare form of Psycho-kinesis, which manifests itself by unconscious manipulation of probability in her case.
· With her ‘luck’, she definitely survived the snap.
· With her massive ‘luck’, she must’ve effected/ensured that the one (out of 14 million) comes to fruition.
Yo Avengers! What if I told you that you all just got luck-y ?
I am gonna propose one. So, buckle up.
You remember how Dr. Strange saw 14 million possible outcomes, and in only one of them, Avengers won?
That is an absurdly low probability of 0.0000000714.
They still managed it though, didn’t they?
Why?
Because they had a secret weapon. Someone outside the actual battlefield. Someone, minding her own business. Someone who is a master of Probability Manipulation. Someone, who’s nonchalant presence on planet earth would ensure, ‘if there is a one in fourteen million chance of something good happening, that good thing will happen’.
I am talking about this young lady.
[I know she’s not in the MCU yet. But that does not tell us that she does not exist in the ‘earth’. Maybe the Avengers in MCU just did not know about her existence yet.]
Domino’s power of luck comes from a rare form of Psycho-kinesis, which manifests itself by unconscious manipulation of probability in her case.
· With her ‘luck’, she definitely survived the snap.
· With her massive ‘luck’, she must’ve effected/ensured that the one (out of 14 million) comes to fruition.
Yo Avengers! What if I told you that you all just got luck-y ?
What are your favorite fan theories about the MCU?
I am gonna propose one. So, buckle up.
You remember how Dr. Strange saw 14 million possible outcomes, and in only one of them, Avengers won?
That is an absurdly low probability of 0.0000000714.
They still managed it though, didn’t they?
Why?
Because they had a secret weapon. Someone outside the actual battlefield. Someone, minding her own business. Someone who is a master of Probability Manipulation. Someone, who’s nonchalant presence on planet earth would ensure, ‘if there is a one in fourteen million chance of something good happening, that good thing will happen’.
I am talking about this young lady.
[I know she’s not in the MCU yet. But that does not tell us that she does not exist in the ‘earth’. Maybe the Avengers in MCU just did not know about her existence yet.]
Domino’s power of luck comes from a rare form of Psycho-kinesis, which manifests itself by unconscious manipulation of probability in her case.
· With her ‘luck’, she definitely survived the snap.
· With her massive ‘luck’, she must’ve effected/ensured that the one (out of 14 million) comes to fruition.
Yo Avengers! What if I told you that you all just got luck-y ?
NICE
What are your favorite fan theories about the MCU?
I am gonna propose one. So, buckle up.
You remember how Dr. Strange saw 14 million possible outcomes, and in only one of them, Avengers won?
That is an absurdly low probability of 0.0000000714.
They still managed it though, didn’t they?
Why?
Because they had a secret weapon. Someone outside the actual battlefield. Someone, minding her own business. Someone who is a master of Probability Manipulation. Someone, who’s nonchalant presence on planet earth would ensure, ‘if there is a one in fourteen million chance of something good happening, that good thing will happen’.
I am talking about this young lady.
[I know she’s not in the MCU yet. But that does not tell us that she does not exist in the ‘earth’. Maybe the Avengers in MCU just did not know about her existence yet.]
Domino’s power of luck comes from a rare form of Psycho-kinesis, which manifests itself by unconscious manipulation of probability in her case.
· With her ‘luck’, she definitely survived the snap.
· With her massive ‘luck’, she must’ve effected/ensured that the one (out of 14 million) comes to fruition.
Yo Avengers! What if I told you that you all just got luck-y ?
but impossible in the mcu movie verse
they are in a completely different reality which will slowly merge together with the other realities as one during the wandavision mini series where mutants will be finally introduced and come to a head in the next dr. strange movie. similar to the crisis on infinite earth's by dc just done better
In the MCU, why couldn't Doctor Strange do the whole “knocking the soul out” thing that the Ancient One did to him and Hulk but do it on Thanos?
In the MCU, why couldn't Doctor Strange do the whole “knocking the soul out” thing that the Ancient One did to him and Hulk, but do it on Thanos?
Strange had the opportunity to do so when Thanos was briefly incapacitated.
I have a theory that I believe had been overlooked entirely.
What would Tony Stark have done with the gauntlet after successfully removing it from Thanos on Titan?
Previously, while in possession of the mind stone, he unleashed Ultron onto the world.
In possession of the power, space, soul, and reality stones, Tony Stark would have turned into a monster.
The 10 year story made a number of hints pointing to the character similarities between Stark and Thanos- even going as far as giving Thanos a line drawing our attention directly to it
“both cursed with knowledge… “
I believe success on Titan wasn’t a viable option.
In fact, any scenario that left Tony Stark alive with access to multiple infinity stones at the end of it was just as much a defeat as Thanos snapping his fingers.
Stark couldn’t be brought to justice for things he had yet to do. Nor would anyone have the power to do so once he harnessed the power of the infinity gauntlet leading to tragic ends.
Tony Stark had the ability to wield immense power due to his intellect. Yet, he also demonstrated the capacity to make tragic mistakes due to his equally powerful ego. Ultron was a mistake he refused to learn from. He doubled down, refused to accept his own failure, and moved to bring Vision to life. He gambled with the fate of the planet having learned nothing.
The events had to unfold as they did on Titan so that Tony Stark did not become an even greater villain than Thanos.
This is why Dr. Strange didn’t utilize his powers more effectively. I believe Dr. Strange could have “knocked the soul out” of Thanos’ body. He chose not to.
~
Wow thanks for all the views and upvotes! Here is more character analysis to support my answer.
“So you’re saying Strange didn’t want them to succeed in taking the gauntlet from Thanos? It was obviously a well thought out plan. Why would he play along?”
The defeat on Titan crushed Tony’s galaxy sized ego. If Strange didn’t make a convincing effort to stop Thanos then someone like Stark would have realized there was a manipulation affecting the outcome of the battle. Realizing there was an unknown variable still at play, it would have become Tony’s obsession.
His ego would remain intact and he’d spend the next five years attempting to understand what Strange meant when he said-
Instead, convinced that he had reached the limitations of his genius the fight was over for him. Whatever Strange had meant, his part in it was done. The power he acquired through his genius was enough to inflict a minor scratch that drew a single drop of Thanos’ blood and no more. Therefore he retired, moved to a log cabin by the lake, and started a family.
Ironically, the only way for him to play his critical role was for him to first let go of his ego; the thing that whispered to him everyday-
Having a daughter to defend is critical because it constrains his own ambitions. If he used the Infinity Gauntlet to undo the snap and further attempted to pursue the potential of his genius through the power of the Gauntlet, then he would lose her. Tony loves Morgan more than he does himself.
Morgan’s existence forces Stark to maintain the consequences of the current reality, it also forces him to accept the loss on Titan that humbled him. Therefore, there is no undoing the effect the loss had to humble his ego.
And if he accepts the notion that he is fallible, then he also has the wisdom to understand that he cannot trust himself to become all powerful without the possibility of losing everything he fights to defend through his own actions.
He finally gained the wisdom to learn the lesson he failed to internalize when he created Ultron and put the world in danger. The Infinity Gauntlet and the Stones were finally safe in his possession. When he used them in the final desperate hour, the only choice he could make was the self sacrifice play.
In contrast, a more egotistical Stark would have attempted to buy himself more time so he could use it himself and live. He likely would have done it without telling anyone else about his intentions just like he had done when creating Ultron with Banner.
Either 2014 Nebula would have sabotaged the effort or an all powerful Stark would have become a threat to the multiverse.
In the MCU, why couldn't Doctor Strange do the whole “knocking the soul out” thing that the Ancient One did to him and Hulk, but do it on Thanos?
Strange had the opportunity to do so when Thanos was briefly incapacitated.
I have a theory that I believe had been overlooked entirely.
What would Tony Stark have done with the gauntlet after successfully removing it from Thanos on Titan?
Previously, while in possession of the mind stone, he unleashed Ultron onto the world.
In possession of the power, space, soul, and reality stones, Tony Stark would have turned into a monster.
The 10 year story made a number of hints pointing to the character similarities between Stark and Thanos- even going as far as giving Thanos a line drawing our attention directly to it
“both cursed with knowledge… “
I believe success on Titan wasn’t a viable option.
In fact, any scenario that left Tony Stark alive with access to multiple infinity stones at the end of it was just as much a defeat as Thanos snapping his fingers.
Stark couldn’t be brought to justice for things he had yet to do. Nor would anyone have the power to do so once he harnessed the power of the infinity gauntlet leading to tragic ends.
Tony Stark had the ability to wield immense power due to his intellect. Yet, he also demonstrated the capacity to make tragic mistakes due to his equally powerful ego. Ultron was a mistake he refused to learn from. He doubled down, refused to accept his own failure, and moved to bring Vision to life. He gambled with the fate of the planet having learned nothing.
The events had to unfold as they did on Titan so that Tony Stark did not become an even greater villain than Thanos.
This is why Dr. Strange didn’t utilize his powers more effectively. I believe Dr. Strange could have “knocked the soul out” of Thanos’ body. He chose not to.
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Wow thanks for all the views and upvotes! Here is more character analysis to support my answer.
“So you’re saying Strange didn’t want them to succeed in taking the gauntlet from Thanos? It was obviously a well thought out plan. Why would he play along?”
The defeat on Titan crushed Tony’s galaxy sized ego. If Strange didn’t make a convincing effort to stop Thanos then someone like Stark would have realized there was a manipulation affecting the outcome of the battle. Realizing there was an unknown variable still at play, it would have become Tony’s obsession.
His ego would remain intact and he’d spend the next five years attempting to understand what Strange meant when he said-
Instead, convinced that he had reached the limitations of his genius the fight was over for him. Whatever Strange had meant, his part in it was done. The power he acquired through his genius was enough to inflict a minor scratch that drew a single drop of Thanos’ blood and no more. Therefore he retired, moved to a log cabin by the lake, and started a family.
Ironically, the only way for him to play his critical role was for him to first let go of his ego; the thing that whispered to him everyday-
Having a daughter to defend is critical because it constrains his own ambitions. If he used the Infinity Gauntlet to undo the snap and further attempted to pursue the potential of his genius through the power of the Gauntlet, then he would lose her. Tony loves Morgan more than he does himself.
Morgan’s existence forces Stark to maintain the consequences of the current reality, it also forces him to accept the loss on Titan that humbled him. Therefore, there is no undoing the effect the loss had to humble his ego.
And if he accepts the notion that he is fallible, then he also has the wisdom to understand that he cannot trust himself to become all powerful without the possibility of losing everything he fights to defend through his own actions.
He finally gained the wisdom to learn the lesson he failed to internalize when he created Ultron and put the world in danger. The Infinity Gauntlet and the Stones were finally safe in his possession. When he used them in the final desperate hour, the only choice he could make was the self sacrifice play.
In contrast, a more egotistical Stark would have attempted to buy himself more time so he could use it himself and live. He likely would have done it without telling anyone else about his intentions just like he had done when creating Ultron with Banner.
Either 2014 Nebula would have sabotaged the effort or an all powerful Stark would have become a threat to the multiverse.
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