A lot of pros and cons on both sides.
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If you respected the sport and the fighters, you wouldn't say silly stuff like this....
This statement has nothing to do with promoters.
Jay lying his ass off.
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how is stating a fact not respecting a sport? One sport is just hands. The other is hands, feet, elbows, knees, grappling, ect. One is basic, The other more a complex evolution of combat sports. I can respect both while pointing out shortcomings of either sport.
To say boxing is basic math and MMA is trig is not fact at all.
Its the most short-sighted comparison ever.
Just hands?
I guess footwork, complex angles, defense, conditioning, discipline don't matter.
There's a reason why you never see boxers get off the couch and become world class within a few years.
The learning curve is much more steep.
For example, Forrest Griffin and Francis Ngannou both picked up MMA at age 27.
Both fighting on the elite level within 2 years of LEARNING the sport.
You will NEVER, EVER see that in boxing.
Most top level boxers have been training since they were kids.
all things you listed apply to boxing except you have to worry about kicks, elbows, knees, clinch and takedowns, Forrest griffin comes from a different era where the sport was still evolving. He would never make it in today, Francis is a giant and he’s not elite, He was exposed as a hype job for not having any ground game. Not to mention he’s in the weakest division in the sport. But This is bgol so there’s no point in arguing.
Well to be fair, MMA was in it's infancy here in America when Forrest Griffin became Champion. He'd barely make the prelims on TV in 2019. Ngannou was a boxer in Cameroon/France before starting MMA. He didn't just start from zero.
As for Boxing, the sport definitely had guys start the sport later in life and become world champions (Bernard Hopkins, Deontay Wilder and Antonio Tarver).
But Boxing isn't a basic anything. It's a very demanding fighting style both physically and mentally. MMA is the same as well.
The promotion in Boxing is just awful rite now. With better promotion of the sport, I seriously believe Boxing could rival the NBA/NHL/MLB in terms of popularity here in America.
To say boxing is basic math and MMA is trig is not accurate at all. It is most accurate to say a MMA artist is a jack of all trades, master of none. I think the biggest weakness among MMA artists is boxing, showing the complexity of the sport. I enjoy watching MMA but it's Its painful to watch them upright some time. It's not really accurate to call what they do as boxing, striking would more truthful. There is no boxing defense in MMA, they don't really slip punches. You almost never see someone slip a jab. either its thrown from too far ought or it lands. Way too often a haymaker lands, it makes for exciting matches but they're punches that would rarely land on an elite boxer. It's a completely different type of in-fighting and there's no fighting off the ropes. The same is probably true for MMA vs. Thai fighting. A Thai fighter would destroy a MMA fighter standing up. The MMA fighter would make up for that mismatch by taking the fight to the mat, utilizing grappling skills. Jack of all trades, master of none.
I think most MMA are obviously well rounded but it's a stretch to see them compete with elite boxer or thai fighters in their respective disciplines.
I think most MMA are obviously well rounded but it's a stretch to see them compete with elite boxer or thai fighters in their respective disciplines.
MMA is way more basic than boxing. Boxing for the most part you have to start off as a pee wee silver gloves, onto golden gloves etc. and be boxing your whole life to have a chance at the world class level. There have been so few exceptions with Sergio Martinez and Adonis Stevenson starting in their 20s, Deontay Wilder at 19 and Anthony Joshua at 18. MMA is like the 9th or 10th option for big guys that can't make it pro in other sports. You got someone like Derrick Lewis with his shorts hanging halfway off his ass dam near at the top of the HW division. Both Derrick Lewis and Ngannou seen they weren't gonna get to the top level of HW boxing and knew for MMA they would. Shit Brett Rogers went from changing tires at Sam's club to fighting at the top of HW division in Strikeforce. The best HW fighters aren't even in the sport, if someone like a Teddy Riner wanted to switch from Judo over he'd wreck the entire HW division. Same with a Mijain Lopez if he defected from Cuba. Or if James Johnson of the NBA if he wasn't guaranteed to make $15 and $16 mil the next couple of seasons. There isn't enough money in MMA at the top level to attract the top big athletes there. It's option 9 or 10
Hopkins started boxing at an early age and won several regional and state tournaments as a teen, then boxed while in prison.
Tarver: 158- 8 amateur record (Golden Gloves Champion, Pan Am Champion, World Amateur Champion, Olympic Bronze Medalist)
Antonio Tarver is one of the greatest amateur boxers EVER. He turned pro at 28, but he was already a made man in boxing circles. Won his first title at 34, 6 years after turning pro.
Wilder Wilder: 30-5 amateur record. Started boxing at age 19. (Olympic Bronze Medalist) Turned pro at 23, won first title at 30. 7 years after turning pro.
The point is that even starting in their early 20s, they still had extensive backgrounds before reaching the highest levels of the sport.
The didn't just roll out of the bed and train for a few years then become top guys.
Bernard boxed as a youngster but got locked up. Boxed in the joint, then got out and started fighting. Antonio Tarver started boxing while he was young also, but wasn't serious. He got serious in his late 20s and went to the Olympics. He then became a professional champion. Deontay Wilder is a freak of nature. He started late but he had power. Another like him is George Foreman, heavy hitter. Also Rocky Marciano who learned how to box from a book, so that is another person without background. But most fighters start in the amateurs.
So you just confirmed what I said. Boxing has champions who started the sport later in life compared to most who start when young.
The reason is simply that King Kong is on juice. After Jerrell Miller was caught taking
the same shit, the manager of Ortiz nixed the fight with Joshua because he knew there
was no way he could get the shit out of his system in time for the fight. From that point
of view, there was no need of even signing the contract knowing that you would never
get to the fight.
the same shit, the manager of Ortiz nixed the fight with Joshua because he knew there
was no way he could get the shit out of his system in time for the fight. From that point
of view, there was no need of even signing the contract knowing that you would never
get to the fight.
He is right...AJ would get slaughtered if he said this
It's crazy. MMA is the ultimate. Put it like this. A BJJ guy might wipe the floor with an MMA guy in a BJJ tourney. But when it comes to putting boxing, thai, wrestling, and bjj together for the finished project, the BJJ expert might get his ass kicked in MMA.
People don't understand how much boxing work mma guys put in. They just can't limit themselves. When you have to worry about takedowns, your boxing is different. Boxing purists can be so anal, but I've seen the same with some BJJ guys.
And if you going to pick one to train for real life, it's MMA all day. That's why it's so great to me. As close as you can come to a real fight. The skill it takes to put all that together is amazing.
Hahaha they’re just CONFIRMING what Joshua said two years ago. He already said that he wasn’t planning on fighting wilder until 2020. So I don’t see what the issue is here.
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