Android Is Destroying Everyone, Especially RIM -- iPhone Dead In Water

[Ryokurin]

People arent buying android phones because android is "open". Maybe techies do but everybody else is buying them because they have better features, bigger screens, more powerful, more customizable, better reception, better plans on more carriers...

They are just better devices. Just like the ipad is just better than most tablets right now.

Most people buy Android buy it because it's available. It's the same reason why two years ago they were buying Blackberrys, or four years ago Motorola. They heard about smartphones that can access the web anywhere and their provider of choice have a phone that does that, and hey it's cheap! (if not free) Some of them may not even want web access, they just want a phone where they don't have to deal with T9.

The majority of the world is not technically inclined. Telling them they can customize more, or something is more powerful means nothing because they aren't going to understand where to begin. Same as telling them it's open source. It's over their heads.

 

[Spectrum]

The numbers are off because Androids are placed on low end phones. You can grt a pre paid phone with android on it. I would love to see the number for highend smart phones

The numbers arent off. They poll the entire smartphone market from low end to high end. Also, there are some very powerful highend smart phone that our CURRENTLY outselling some iphones with some providers.

The HTC ThunderBolt is outselling the Iphone 4 at the Verizon distributions centers.

The thought that Android is not competing on the highend is a fallacy.

However, Apple is moving down the market because even the low end is a huge market because of the volume.

 

[Spectrum]

Most people buy Android buy it because it's available. .

Exactly, a lot of people buy Android phones here in Brazil because it is damn near impossible to get an Iphone because of lack of stock (and the horrible taxation system here on foreign goods makes appe products extremely expensive).

Most people dont really care about specs...but developers do... and that is what Apple has really dominated..the developer community....but android is becoming more and more tempting because of the market share

 

[Deuterion]

I don´t even think you understood the response. What you proposed as a solution is what is already present and currently does not work. Most companies dont try to even cover the entire android market because it is too cost prohibitive. There is not conflict with the two statement you hightlighted. Seriously, you need to stop trying to debate in technical threads when it isnt your area, obviously. You don´t understand what you are attempting to debate. The shit that you are proposing is how the market CURRENTLY works for the first half of your statement..and second part is IDIOTIC because you just cant magically port software to several distributions and pay a one-time fee. You have to manually customize and iteration for multiple distributions. Shit is fucking idiotic to even make that statement in the first place and you would get laughed at in a room of developers talking that nonsense.

See there you go talking out your ass again. If you pay me a small one time fee of 110,000USD I'll magically port your iOS app to any programming language of your choice. This offer goes to everyone on the forum. Unfortunately at the moment we only take Western Union. Holla if you need my services...we "converted" Angry Bird's Objective-C build to Assembly and have it running on a cash register.

Make all wires to:

Deuterion
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[Spectrum]

See there you go talking out your ass again. If you pay me a small one time fee of 110,000USD I'll magically port your iOS app to any low-level programming language of your choice. This offer goes to everyone on the forum. Unfortunately at the moment we only take Western Union. Holla if you need my services. Make all wires to:

Deuterion
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Nigeria

 

[Deuterion]

We recently took a objective-c build of angry birds and converted it to windows embedded so that it operates on POS systems across the US. We did this all within 30 minutes as the conversion process is pretty straight forward and user friendly.

 

[Spectrum]

We recently took a objective-c build of angry birds and converted it to windows embedded so that it operates on POS systems across the US. We did this all within 30 minutes as the conversion process is pretty straight forward and user friendly.

Nice. Ive noticed games are much easier to convert. However, when the application depends on the native functionality of the OS, it is a huge problem. I actually had to back off on developing on Titianium because although they you can sometimes use their platform to port the run the code on the Iphone and Android, a major portion of the application just doesn´t run...completely buggy....Apple is actually not approving some apps that arent built on objective c because of some of the cross platform frameworks just dont spin out stable code.

But also..what do you mean you took an objective-c build? Does Rovio actually float their code...or do you mean a game similar to Angry Birds

 

[Big Tex]

The numbers arent off. They poll the entire smartphone market from low end to high end. Also, there are some very powerful highend smart phone that our CURRENTLY outselling some iphones with some providers.

The HTC ThunderBolt is outselling the Iphone 4 at the Verizon distributions centers.

The thought that Android is not competing on the highend is a fallacy.

However, Apple is moving down the market because even the low end is a huge market because of the volume.

That's misleading because you can also get Verizon iPhones from the Apple online store, any local Apple store and any Best buy store.

 

[Big Tex]

Hmmm...angry birds makes rovio 50% more on android using the free ad based model than the pay model they use on iOS. A lot of developers r saying similar things. The ad based model on android beats the pay model on iOS if u develop something worth it. Android users will not support crap, free or paid...iOS users will buy anything.

I do, because $2 or $5 is nothing. I pay for what I like to support.

BGOL isn't the real world, in the real world people pay for movies, music, porn and software.

I guess Google is lying on itself then...


http://blogs.forbes.com/oliverchian...roid-app-purchases-google-talks-2011-roadmap/

Google’s Android platform manager Eric Chu knows that though the number of Android smartphone users may be rising quickly, the number of purchases of paid apps in the Android Market is not doing nearly as well. In fact, Google is downright “not happy” about the purchases of paid apps

So you ninjas can't claim it's an Apple fanboy saying it either....

 

[Ryokurin]

It's also a convenient change to what the story actually said, in that 61% of stores said they were selling about the same rate, 11% is selling iphone more, and 28% thunderbolt more.

Distribution centers distribute, they don't sell. For all we know, even if they were shipping more thunderbolts than iphones it could simply be because thunderbolts are in low supply.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

BGOL isn't the real world, in the real world people pay for movies, music, porn and software.

i dont understand this comment.

if bgol didnt exist i still wouldnt be paying for music unless its an independent artist im supporting. thats the ONLY shit i buy. and call it the real world or fake world but i'm not paying $500 for Microsoft Office when it can be had for free.

 

[UncleStuntman]

Shit man, I love my iphone4

 

[JD Walker]

Flash fucking sucks...just an inefficient battery eating piece of shit. I just
don´t get why people defend it so much. It still has huge penetration but I dont see a future for flash.

I'm finishing up a massive web project I started late last year. I knew at some point I'd have to create an mobile app to interface with with the website I created. Then I was somewhat dreading delving back in to Objective C because I knew it would take me about 2 weeks to get my bearings again.

Boy has shit changed in the past 6-7 months.

You were somewhat correct about HTML5 being the future of app development, but HTML5 is no longer a major player. dojox.mobile coupled with CSS3 changed all that. I don't even have to look at Objective C. And jQuery isn't far behind with its mobile app development kit.

 

[Spectrum]

The future of mobile apps will be HTML/CSS/JavaScript/PhoneGap apps

And some of the big boys are already going HTML5. If you do need some of the native features offered by the sdk, you can go html5.

http://www.spielsucht24.de/2010/12/21/zynga-launches-html5-mafia-wars-atlantic-city-for-mobile-web/

Social game developer Zynga has brought one of its most popular titles, Mafia Wars, to mobile and tablet web browsers with the release of HTML5-powered Mafia Wars Atlantic City today. Available through either a standalone web site or on app downlaod service GetJar, Mafia Wars Atlantic City’s decision to run on the HTML5 framework means its playable on a variety of platforms, including iPad, iPhone/iPod Touch, Android, WebOS, and BlackBerry devices. The original Mafia Wars …

I'm finishing up a massive web project I started late last year. I knew at some point I'd have to create an mobile app to interface with with the website I created. Then I was somewhat dreading delving back in to Objective C because I knew it would take me about 2 weeks to get my bearings again.

Boy has shit changed in the past 6-7 months.

You were somewhat correct about HTML5 being the future of app development, but HTML5 is no longer a major player. dojox.mobile coupled with CSS3 changed all that. I don't even have to look at Objective C. And jQuery isn't far behind with its mobile app development kit.

Yep. Check the first line in a post that I made in this thread...

yeah man..the last several months has sprouted so many options, Ive had to really reevaluate my mobile strategy. I´m still not sure where everything is headed. I actually just completely shifted my company to mobile...a large percentage of future resources are going mobile...took me a while to see the light...i should have done it years ago...Im usually pretty quick to the pull the trigger but I stalled on mobile unfortunately.

I´m still not sure where to put my money... google and facebook and some of the larger companies are really pushing html5 and it makes sense.

I havent used the dojox toolkit so Im not very familiar with it...but I just checked the APIs and they seem very interesting (geolocation, touch, etc)...

 

[SKATTA]

Get a android phone.

thats all i have to say.

 

[FLoss]

I guess Google is lying on itself then...


http://blogs.forbes.com/oliverchian...roid-app-purchases-google-talks-2011-roadmap/





So you ninjas can't claim it's an Apple fanboy saying it either....

Yeah. That report based on "conversations" with Retail managers was complete bullshit.

OEM Market Share

For the three month average period ending in February, 234 million Americans ages 13 and older used mobile devices. Device manufacturer Samsung ranked as the top OEM with 24.8 percent of U.S. mobile subscribers, up 0.3 percentage points from the three month period ending in November. LG ranked second with 20.9 percent share, followed by Motorola (16.1 percent) and RIM (8.6 percent). Apple saw the strongest gain, up 0.9 percentage points to account for 7.5 percent of subscribers, on momentum from the release of the Verizon iPhone, the most acquired handset in the month of February.

http://comscore.com/Press_Events/Pr...uary_2011_U.S._Mobile_Subscriber_Market_Share

Apple's CDMA iPhone sold by Verizon Wireless in the US was the nation's top mobile phone sold during the month of February, according to market research firm comScore.

The popularity of Apple's Verizon iPhone, which comScore called "the most acquired handset in the month of February," refutes anecdotal figures advertised by BTIG Research analyst Walter Piecyk, who recently claimed that Verizon was selling more HTC Thunderbolt phones than Apple iPhones, based on conversations with retail staff

Verizon itself claimed the iPhone was its biggest phone launch ever, but has made no similar claim about the Android-based HTC Thunderbolt, which boasts 4G data service via Verizon's new LTE network.

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[r3d DaWn]

The iphone is only $199. There just are not any phones that can compete with that price or app store.

The problem with Android is that it is so fragmented. Most android phones suck unless you purchase the highends ones.

Aren't you the same Turd that said WP7 is the shit, and would dominate soon? Explain how their numbers CONTINUE to fall then, please, I'm interested in this..

 

[Jagi]

Get a android phone.

thats all i have to say.

which one?

 

[Spectrum]

r. dojox.mobile coupled with CSS3 changed all that. I don't even have to look at Objective C.

Are you using Dojox now JD? I might just download it to look under the hood... Do you know of any well known apps that were developed with it? I see some of their customers but not any specific apps

 

[dalandofmilkandhoney]

I am not surprised.

 

[BrownTurd]

Aren't you the same Turd that said WP7 is the shit, and would dominate soon? Explain how their numbers CONTINUE to fall then, please, I'm interested in this..

I have a iphone as well. I prefer my windows phone but that is just my opinion But facts are facts...the top highend phone with the best ecosystem is the iphone and the Apple store is hard to beat.

Windows phone 7 needed a highend phone dev and they got that with Nokia. The phones that Nokia are designing are amazing technically and will convert some just off the specs along with what it can do. Microsoft now has its flag ship phone it desperately needed.

 

[Deuterion]

Nice. Ive noticed games are much easier to convert. However, when the application depends on the native functionality of the OS, it is a huge problem. I actually had to back off on developing on Titianium because although they you can sometimes use their platform to port the run the code on the Iphone and Android, a major portion of the application just doesn´t run...completely buggy....Apple is actually not approving some apps that arent built on objective c because of some of the cross platform frameworks just dont spin out stable code.

I can't believe you went for Titanium in the first place seeing that it doesn't have an interface builder which for me is a no go because I don't laying out views in code. Ontop of that the customer service (for me) left a lot to be desired especially when you had a question regarding Android development. Another thing I have an issue with in regards to Application Frameworks like Titanium is that they add too many classes into your final xcode project. I know some folks could care less but I'm an old school "tight code" type cat and what Titanium outputs makes me want to bang my head against a wall. Oh and the joint does an atrocious job at error reporting...your shit will crash and it'll give you some obtuse ass error report that leaves you even more confused than you were when your shit crashed. No thanks. I like phonegap but you're basically making a webapp...it's nothing special.

But also..what do you mean you took an objective-c build? Does Rovio actually float their code...or do you mean a game similar to Angry Birds

I was being facetious but I guess it didn't come out right.

 

[JD Walker]

Are you using Dojox now JD? I might just download it to look under the hood... Do you know of any well known apps that were developed with it? I see some of their customers but not any specific apps

Dojox.mobile is brand new but its based off their popular Dojo library.

Now dojox.mobile covers both iPhone and Android interfaces. If you are looking to develop a web interface/app for iPhone/iPad only you should look into jQTouch. It's a supplement to the jQuery library that adds the touch events and CSS3 animations. jQTouch is pretty sweet.

 

[Deuterion]

Dojox.mobile is brand new but its based off their popular Dojo library.

Now dojox.mobile covers both iPhone and Android interfaces. If you are looking to develop a web interface/app for iPhone/iPad only you should look into jQTouch. It's a supplement to the jQuery library that adds the touch events and CSS3 animations. jQTouch is pretty sweet.

That's vicious...thanks!

 

[moblack]

I'm on an iPhone and this screen is small as fuck compared to my htc incredible. I miss the search feature on my phone. iPhone looks nice but android is more functional IMO.

 

[BDR]

4 pages and no divine says a lot

Losing

 

[HeathCliff]

4 pages and no divine says a lot

I noticed that too. I was gonna fuck with him about it in the other thread but I said fuck it

 

[Spectrum]

. I know some folks could care less but I'm an old school "tight code" type cat and what Titanium outputs makes me want to bang my head against a wall.

I didnt commission the project to it...but decided to give is a spin.. never again

I was being facetious but I guess it didn't come out right.

i thought so for a second because of that first response...but i was like damn... did rovio put some of their code out there or does this cat work for Rivio

 

[Spectrum]

Dojox.mobile is brand new but its based off their popular Dojo library.

Now dojox.mobile covers both iPhone and Android interfaces. If you are looking to develop a web interface/app for iPhone/iPad only you should look into jQTouch. It's a supplement to the jQuery library that adds the touch events and CSS3 animations. jQTouch is pretty sweet.

this is good shit JD

 

[max-dawg]

And dropping. It has been dropping for a while. The game isn't over yet anyways and we still are in the growth period.

who is "we?"

do you own apple stock or are you one of those folks who stand in-line every 6 - 8 months so that everything can change again?

 

[dabushwackers]

Best deal hands down metro pcs lg imprint $40 a month unlimited calling and texting iPad 3G $25 a month total $65 a month no contracts no taxes no bullshit. If I get sick of the phone which I find no reason to I can just buy another one I've been using their service for 6 months not one dropped call yet those other contract phones it's a waste of money. Fuck that over $100 bill a month shit and for those who say well my bill is under $100 your limited on your calling plans or texting plan. Sprint and EVO are no better I know mad people who pay over $100 to rock that phone and another $100 a month replacing the wack battery usage fuck all these big name cell companies I'm tired of forking over $2400 every 2 years locked in contracts. I rather keep the extra money in my pocket

 

[BCSD2012]

Using a Droid X right now to respond to this post. My job give us Iphones for business use and I like the Droid better.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

Good discussion thread, everyone. I'm thinking about what phone to get next year. My contract comes due in January 2012. What would you choose from this provider (Bell)? Advice / feedback ... thanks in advance.

http://www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpWls_PrdClpListView.page
http://www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpWls_Landing.page
http://www.bell.ca/

 

[GAMETHEORY]

so what's this android thing?

 

[JD Walker]

Good discussion thread, everyone. I'm thinking about what phone to get next year. My contract comes due in January 2012. What would you choose from this provider (Bell)? Advice / feedback ... thanks in advance.

http://www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpWls_PrdClpListView.page
http://www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpWls_Landing.page
http://www.bell.ca/

I have an HTC Incredible. My next phone will be the iPhone 5. And not because I'm a "fanboy", I need a phone that is a phone FIRST, everything else second. While Android is cool the developers treated the call features as an after thought. Android powers phones are Mobile devices first, phones second.

Now if you don't want an iPhone you'll be fine with any of the HTC Android phones with the Sense UI.